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Mrs Jono
27-08-2012, 10:50 PM
Meanwhile, American Atheists Incorporated (AAI) has mounted a religious hate campaign by spending $15k on a series of billboard attack ads (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/signs-attack-religion-ahead-democratic-convention/).

And when some Florida companies refused to post the hate attacks? AAI President David Silverman ironically called it bigotry... against atheists!

He also referred to it as 'freedom of speech'.

How ironic of him, since this was the same group which sued (http://lawreview.byu.edu/articles/1341676075_01ashcroft.fin.pdf)(all the way to the Tenth Circuit Supreme Court, in American Atheists, Inc v. Davenport) to have removed the roadside memorial crosses honoring slain Utah Highway patrol officers, because they were on public property, despite being paid for by a private organization.

So in their opinion, it's not freedom of speech to honor Christian dead with crosses in their memory, but it is freedom of speech to post anti-religious bigotry billboards?

:hand:

(Two Charlotte ones have been taken down (http://www.wcnc.com/news/local/Outcry-causes-atheist-funded-billboards-to-come-down-167378255.html) due to public outrage, although Adams Outdoor Advertising, owners of the billboard blanks, evidently agrees with AAI that this hate speech is somehow a "right".)

Goughfather
27-08-2012, 11:08 PM
Meanwhile, American Atheists Incorporated (AAI) has mounted a religious hate campaign by spending $15k on a series of billboard attack ads (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/signs-attack-religion-ahead-democratic-convention/).

And when some Florida companies refused to post the hate attacks? AAI President David Silverman ironically called it bigotry... against atheists!

He also referred to it as 'freedom of speech'.

How precious you are to call the billboard a "hate attack". I don't necessarily agree with the sentiments contained within, but on what basis should I prevent those billboards from being displayed? If it is free speech for Westboro Baptist Church to picket soldiers' funerals and hold signs that actually say that "God Hates x", then one would think that these billboards are well within the limits of free speech.

Capablanca-Fan
28-08-2012, 03:06 AM
Typical of atheists, including those within the church like GF, to harp on about Westboro which most conservative Christians regard as repugnant.

Rincewind
28-08-2012, 11:53 AM
Typical of atheists, including those within the church like GF, to harp on about Westboro which most conservative Christians regard as repugnant.

Typical of mimophantic christians, including those who are baptist to disown Westboro but give them a free pass when they picket the funeral of veterans where they distress grieving mourners, but then describe perfectly ordinary pro-reason posters well within the ambit of freedom of speech as "attacks".

It is also flagrant hypocrisy to argue that the right to bear arms is protected by the second amendment and then look to stifle the freedom of speech which is protected by the first amendment.

Capablanca-Fan
28-08-2012, 12:02 PM
Typical of mimophantic christians, including those who are baptist to disown Westboro but give them a free pass when they picket the funeral of veterans where they distress grieving mourners,
I can't think of any real Christians, Baptist or otherwise, who have anything but contempt for Westboro.


It is also flagrant hypocrisy to argue that the right to bear arms is protected by the second amendment and then look to stifle the freedom of speech which is protected by the first amendment.
Of course, that is Westboro's argument.

Posters don't actually worry me that much. But those same atheopaths are probably shrieking about how offended they are at plastic baby Jesuses at Nativity scenes and are in danger of having a stroke if they hear a student-led prayer at a football game. (But of course, anyone objecting to obscenity or porn should just look the other way or change channels.) They are such delicate little mimophants all right. Even your hero Clinton R. Dawkins is not such a wimp; he joins in Christmas celebrations (http://creation.com/christmas-and-genesis#grinch). What a contrast the modern activists are with the far more robust atheists of yesteryear who vigorously debated the formidable G.K. Chesterton (http://creation.com/gk-chesterton-darwinism-is-an-attack-upon-thought-itself), and remained good friends even after finishing second.

Goughfather
29-08-2012, 12:32 AM
Typical of atheists, including those within the church like GF, to harp on about Westboro which most conservative Christians regard as repugnant.

I had no intention of linking (conservative) Christians with Westboro Baptist Church, at least insofar as this thread is concerned. Rather, I was simply suggesting that when one thinks about the type of hate speech spewed out by Westboro Baptist Church that is protected under the First Amendment, these signs are positively tame by comparison.

Mrs Jono
30-08-2012, 12:38 AM
I can't think of any real Christians, Baptist or otherwise, who have anything but contempt for Westboro.Absolutely. They are a disgusting bunch.

We posted (on FB) about them back when people made the red-shirt and maroon-shirt human-walls in support of our fallen soldiers. They were too far away from us for us to show our physical support, but that minimal show of support was widely agreed with, via 'likes' and 'shares', by our friends.

Discussing something worse is 'putting evil on a scale', though, as Westboro's special brand of insanity does not excuse AAI's hate speech.

Kevin Bonham
30-08-2012, 01:25 AM
The billboard photographed reads:

"Sadistic God; Useless Savior
30,000+ Versions of "Truth"
Promotes Hate, Calls it "Love"

Atheism: Simply Reasonable"

I don't believe the "Sadistic God" or the "Promotes Hate, Calls it "Love"" can be applied to anywhere near all self-confessed Christians, but most of the self-confessed Christians it absolutely doesn't apply to are the sort Dr Jono would classify as atheists.

It is not hate speech to point out that hate speech is hate speech. And unfortunately for Christianity, there is more than enough rope to hang many strands of it on where that's concerned.

On the face of it it does look like Silverman's claims about free speech were incorrect though.

Capablanca-Fan
30-08-2012, 03:07 AM
30,000+ Versions of "Truth"
Referring to claims of denomination numbers. Not only are the numbers exaggerated, but so are the differences, which most of the members themselves could not define.


Promotes Hate, Calls it "Love"
There is far more "hate" spewing out of the mouth of the mostly atheistic GayStapo than there is from Christians.


It is not hate speech to point out that hate speech is hate speech. And unfortunately for Christianity, there is more than enough rope to hang many strands of it on where that's concerned.
Insignificant next to the atrocities of atheopathic regimes: 77 million in Communist China, 62 million in the Soviet Gulag State, 2 million murdered in the Khmer Rouge killing fields [from Prof. Rudy Rummel, Death by Government (http://www.hawaii.edu/powerkills/NOTE1.HTM), New Brunswick, N.J.: Transaction Publishers, 1994].

Ian Murray
31-08-2012, 05:15 PM
... mostly atheistic GayStapo than there is from Christians.
True to form, your immediate reductio ad Nazism. And when you say gays are mostly atheistic, do you mean more than 50%, more than 75%, more than 90%? Where do you get your data, or do you know from personal experience?

Kevin Bonham
31-08-2012, 08:01 PM
Referring to claims of denomination numbers. Not only are the numbers exaggerated, but so are the differences, which most of the members themselves could not define.

I gather that the "exaggeration" consists of cases where denominations of the same broad kind occurring in different nations are counted as distinct without close examination of whether they have any doctrinal differences. Nevertheless the number of genuinely competing doctrines, sub-doctrines etc remains very large.


There is far more "hate" spewing out of the mouth of the mostly atheistic GayStapo than there is from Christians.

Much of that so-called hate is the same thing I referred to above, ie calling some Christians on their hateful behaviour which they claim to be justified by religion, and even more bizarrely claim to constitute "love".


Insignificant next to the atrocities

...which were primarily products of authoritarian-"communist" regimes that happened to be atheist, but that were murderous because of their authoritarian-"communism" rather than their atheism.

In any case saying that hate speech is insignificant compared to atrocities does not change the fact that it is hate speech.

Desmond
31-08-2012, 08:32 PM
Meanwhile, American Atheists Incorporated (AAI) has mounted a religious hate campaign by spending $15k on a series of billboard attack ads (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/22/signs-attack-religion-ahead-democratic-convention/).
15k spent in a US presidential ad campaign?

OT4B-NJUcZE

Mrs Jono
01-09-2012, 12:18 AM
15k spent in a US presidential ad campaign?
I guess that's all they could get when they passed the hat. :lol:


"We chose Christianity and Mormonism for these billboards because those are the religious faiths of the two presumed candidates for president," said Amanda Knief, managing director for American Atheists

Desmond
01-09-2012, 05:25 AM
I guess that's all they could get when they passed the hat. :lol:


"We chose Christianity and Mormonism for these billboards because those are the religious faiths of the two presumed candidates for president," said Amanda Knief, managing director for American Atheists
Yes I am well aware of the religions of the candidates. But you might do better to quote this to your special friend who thinks one of them is a Muslim.

Mrs Jono
01-09-2012, 07:21 AM
Yes I am well aware of the religions of the candidates.
I was pointing out that AAI said they did it for political reasons, which I guess made the hate speech okay in their minds.

Desmond
01-09-2012, 07:48 AM
Yes I am well aware of the religions of the candidates. But you might do better to quote this to your special friend who thinks one of them is a Muslim.
Come to think of it, he reckons (http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=338091&postcount=73) the other one is not a Christian either. So that's the two candidates for POTUS being non-Christian, according to those in special land. Talk about living on another planet.

Capablanca-Fan
01-09-2012, 08:19 AM
I was pointing out that AAI said they did it for political reasons, which I guess made the hate speech okay in their minds.
And they are too cowardly to attack Moslems, whom Obamov loves to praise and bow to, because Moslems would be likely to torch their HQ. This sort only attacks Christians and Mormons because they know there will be no violent reprisal.

pax
03-09-2012, 11:55 AM
And they are too cowardly to attack Moslems, whom Obamov loves to praise and bow to, because Moslems would be likely to torch their HQ. This sort only attacks Christians and Mormons because they know there will be no violent reprisal.

Since they are advertising Atheism in a predominantly Christian country, it would make very little sense to focus their attention on Islam.

Capablanca-Fan
03-09-2012, 01:57 PM
Since they are advertising Atheism in a predominantly Christian country, it would make very little sense to focus their attention on Islam.
Pull the other one. It's a fast-growing religion in the West, and clearly hugely important in the Middle East. No, they, like leftards, are just cowards who attack safe targets.