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JGB
13-10-2004, 05:52 PM
Tomorrow the Olympics begin.

Just thought I would say a good luck to the team and open a thread dedicated to the Australian team and the ongoings at the 2004 Chess Olympiad.

Bill Gletsos
13-10-2004, 06:32 PM
Tomorrow the Olympics begin.

The official site is http://www.36chessolympiad.com/uk/index.php although as of yet it is not up and running?! :doh:

Just thought I would say a good luck to the team and open a thread dedicated to the Australian team and the ongoings at the 2004 Chess Olympiad.
The web page is http://www.36chessolympiad-daily.com/index.php?idioma=en which works just fine.

JGB
13-10-2004, 06:41 PM
Thanks Bill, you should also send that through to FIDE ;)

Bill Gletsos
13-10-2004, 06:46 PM
Thanks Bill, you should also send that through to FIDE ;)
That is on their main web page.
Perhaps they changed it from when you last looked.

JGB
14-10-2004, 04:01 PM
Today the 14th of October

The First official day of the Olympiad includes a childrens tournament played on giant boards and later in the evening the Opening Cermony followed by the show ‘SISSA’, featuring, “LA FURA DELS BAUS”.

Tomorrow begins the first round of the Olympiad Tournament.

JGB
14-10-2004, 08:46 PM
Team Australia

Rank 45. Mens Team (Rtg Avg: 2488, Captain:Weeks Manuel)
Bo. Name Rtg
1 GM Rogers Ian 2593
2 GM Johansen Darryl K 2483
3 IM Lane Gary W 2442
4 IM Solomon Stephen J 2435
5 IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410
6 IM Smerdon David 2425

Rank 35. Womens Team (Rtg Avg: 2243, Captain:Sandler Leonid)
Bo. Name Rtg
1 IM Berezina Irina 2281
2 WIM Caoili Arianne 2250
3 WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199
4 Eriksson Ingela S 2098

Information from http://chess-olympiad.com/

Lucena
15-10-2004, 12:31 PM
Found this article talking about the Olympiad, on http://www.calviafestival.com/noticia.php?ver=18 Thought the English was pretty funny.

News
[10/08/2004] 36 Chess Olympiad
From 14th to 31th October 2004 will take place the XXXVI Chess Olympiad in Calvia (Majorca).


Best players of all over the world will come to Calvia, in order to fight for medals.


Spain presents the strongest team in his history, Great Masters Shirov, Vallejo, Illescas and Romero are in the team, so that a great performance is expected ...


The women team is leaded by the balearic WGM Mónica Calzetta. There is no doubt they will be also followed with great passion from the majorcan people.

Well you know what they say - small things... I suppose they think my Spanish is pretty funny too...

Recherché
15-10-2004, 12:41 PM
Thought the English was pretty funny.

It's actually rather good, I thought. The problems are with grammar and a few too-literal word translations, but the meaning remains clear and unambiguous. :)

Trent Parker
15-10-2004, 12:50 PM
Spain presents the strongest team in his history, Great Masters Shirov, Vallejo, Illescas and Romero are in the team, so that a great performance is expected ...


Shirov???? Spanish??? news to me :lol:

Recherché
15-10-2004, 01:12 PM
Shirov???? Spanish??? news to me :lol:

His heritage is Latvian, but these days I'm pretty sure he's a Spanish citizen and lives in Spain. He's certainly affiliated with the local chess federation.

More comical are the teams in the European Club Cup. :D

Rhubarb
15-10-2004, 01:21 PM
Spain presents the strongest team in his history, Great Masters Shirov, Vallejo, Illescas and Romero are in the team, so that a great performance is expected ...

The women team is leaded by the balearic WGM Mónica Calzetta. There is no doubt they will be also followed with great passion from the majorcan people. [/I] [/B]

Well you know what they say - small things... I suppose they think my Spanish is pretty funny too...
That reminds me of the sign in English greeting me as I arrived at Sheremetyevo International Airport in 1991:

"If this is your first visit to Russia you are welcome to it."

Rhubarb
15-10-2004, 01:24 PM
His heritage is Latvian, but these days I'm pretty sure he's a Spanish citizen and lives in Spain. He's certainly affiliated with the local chess federation.

Yes, I think he played Linares once and had such a 'good' (;)) tournament he decided not to leave.

Garvinator
15-10-2004, 01:25 PM
Yes, I think he played Linares once and had such a 'good' (;)) tournament he decided not to leave.
was kasparov playing, if kaspa was, it couldnt have been that good :whistle:

Kevin Bonham
15-10-2004, 08:20 PM
According to the official site the Masculino start at 15:00 while the Feminino commence at 15:50. As far as I can tell this is 11pm AEST(midnight for me since Tas is already on daylight savings).

There's a link on the official site to "Live Games" through a thing called Playzone - anyone know if this is free?

Kevin Bonham
15-10-2004, 11:39 PM
It is free but I could only get the top 18 Open matches and the top 7 Women's matches. Hopefully either this will improve or else Australia will climb to these lofty tables. :)

Bit of a disappointment if we can't watch the games live this time - were all games broadcast last time? My memory is that they were, but I'm not certain.

JGB
15-10-2004, 11:51 PM
I am finding it difficult to get information from the game Australia - Japan. I hope we sort this out soon.

Bo. 108 Japan Rtg - 45 Australia Rtg 0 : 0
1 Bibby Simon 2229 - IM Lane Gary W 2442
2 Nanjo Ryosuke 2154 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2435
3 Shiomi Ryo 2072 - IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410
4 Kato Takeshi 2045 - IM Smerdon David 2425

shaun
16-10-2004, 01:38 AM
It seems that only the top matches are being broadcast live. The rest of the games are being played on non-sensory boards. Not an improvement on previous Olympiads as far as I´m concerned.
As for Aus-Japan all games were still in progress 5 minutes ago, but it seems that Japan have rested their Board 1 R.J Fischer.

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 04:41 PM
I am finding it difficult to get information from the game Australia - Japan. I hope we sort this out soon.

Bo. 108 Japan Rtg - 45 Australia Rtg 0 : 0
1 Bibby Simon 2229 - IM Lane Gary W 2442
2 Nanjo Ryosuke 2154 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2435
3 Shiomi Ryo 2072 - IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410
4 Kato Takeshi 2045 - IM Smerdon David 2425
Australia won 4-0

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 04:43 PM
The womens results were as follows:

Bo. 80 Sri Lanka Rtg - 35 Australia Rtg 0 : 3
1 Methmalee U.G.Y. 0 - IM Berezina Irina 2281 0 - 1
2 Senanayaka P.R. 0 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2250 - - +
3 Liyanagedara A.I. 0 - WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 0 - 1

Looks like Sri Lanka forfeited on board 2.

Recherché
16-10-2004, 04:56 PM
Is there any possibility of GM norms (assuming they perform at a high enough level) for the Australian IMs at the Olympiad?

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 05:40 PM
Is there any possibility of GM norms (assuming they perform at a high enough level) for the Australian IMs at the Olympiad?
Yes.
In fact in the Olympiad if you achieve a 2600+ performance rating over 12 games you actually gain the GM title.

Garvinator
16-10-2004, 05:57 PM
after the first round pairings are done, are the pairings done for the second round based on the total team scores from the first round ie a team winning 4-0 will be seeded higher than a team that wins 2.5-1.5 in the open section.

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 06:19 PM
after the first round pairings are done, are the pairings done for the second round based on the total team scores from the first round ie a team winning 4-0 will be seeded higher than a team that wins 2.5-1.5 in the open section.
Correct. Thats why Russia is down on pairing 15.
Australia is in pairing 2 playing Israel in the second round.

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 06:22 PM
As for the women Australia is playing Germany in pairing 7 in the second round.

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 06:25 PM
It seems that only the top matches are being broadcast live. The rest of the games are being played on non-sensory boards. Not an improvement on previous Olympiads as far as I´m concerned.
As for Aus-Japan all games were still in progress 5 minutes ago, but it seems that Japan have rested their Board 1 R.J Fischer.
I guess he couldnt get a visa. ;)

Garvinator
16-10-2004, 06:28 PM
I guess he couldnt get a visa. ;)
or his marriage licence hasnt come through yet :whistle:

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 06:44 PM
or his marriage licence hasnt come through yet :whistle:
Not that that would matter if he doesnt have a passport. ;)

Garvinator
16-10-2004, 07:10 PM
Not that that would matter if he doesnt have a passport. ;)
im sure israel would help poor bobby :P ;) :lol:

JGB
16-10-2004, 07:13 PM
A perfect effort from the two Australian teams in the first rounds :clap: will really push our teams in the Second round against Israel on board(s) 2 in the mens and against Gemany on board(s) 7 of the womens section today.

At the moment the games from round 1 are still not available.

Kevin Bonham
16-10-2004, 07:57 PM
The good news - being on such high boards we probably get to watch the matches live.

The bad news ... :lol:

Israel

1 GM Gelfand Boris 2693 ISR
2 GM Sutovsky Emil 2697 ISR
3 GM Smirin Ilia 2673 ISR
4 GM Avrukh Boris 2614 ISR
GM Huzman Alexander 2581 ISR
GM Roiz Michael 2560 ISR

Germany - Women's

1 IM Kachiani-G Ketino 2441 GER
2 WGM Paehtz Elisabeth 2398 GER
3 WIM Nill Jessica 2256 GER
WIM Mietzner Tina 2235 GER

I don't know who is playing for these teams but it will be a great opportunity to see how our best can go against this lot.

I guess Germany as 15th seeds are not as hard a match as we might have got after a 3-0 result in the women's.

Assume Ian will be playing tonight. Wonder who will be Israel's top board.

Chessbase gives (I suspect it includes rapids):

Rogers +0=1-2 Gelfand
Rogers +1=1-1 Sutovsky
Rogers +0=1-0 Smirin

shaun
16-10-2004, 08:19 PM
The scuttlebut is that it will be

1. Rogers v Sutovsky
2. Johansen v Avrukh
3. Zhao v Huzman
4. Smerdon v Roiz

with Australia Black on Bd´s 1 & 3

The organisers are very slow in getting the individual team pairings out at the moment, and this information is based on a conversation with the Israeli team captain in the hotel foyer!

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 08:20 PM
Definitely a difficult round for the men.

Kaitlin
16-10-2004, 08:26 PM
It seems that only the top matches are being broadcast live. The rest of the games are being played on non-sensory boards. Not an improvement on previous Olympiads as far as I´m concerned.
As for Aus-Japan all games were still in progress 5 minutes ago, but it seems that Japan have rested their Board 1 R.J Fischer.
Is that on the net... where?

Garvinator
16-10-2004, 08:28 PM
Is that on the net... where?
http://www.36chessolympiad-daily.com/index.php?idioma=en

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 08:35 PM
Is that on the net... where?
Also they dont start till 11pm our time the same time as Kramnik V Leko.
The womens games start at 11.30pm.

Kevin Bonham
16-10-2004, 11:27 PM
Israel's not scared enough to bring out Boris just yet.

Sutovsky-Rogers is an Advanced Caro-Kann, banging out moves pretty fast.
Johansen-Avrukh: After 1.c4 e5 2.Nc3 Bb4 Darryl took a few mins to play 3.g3. Now after 3...Nf6 4.Bg2 0-0 5.e4 Avrukh is taking ages to move too. I am surprised they are playing so slowly.
Huzman-Zhao would have been the 4...a6 line in the Slav but Huzman wimped out and transposed into an Exchange Slav instead.
Smerdon-Roiz is a c3 Sicilian where White has an IQP.

Women's games don't start for another few mins.

Women's pairings for Aus vs Germany -

Berezina - Kachiani-G
Nill - Caoili
Sorokina - Mietzner

Berezina's opponent got quite a long way in the last FIDE knockout (quarters or semis IIRC).

I haven't found any way yet to watch all games at once (doubt computer could cope anyhow.)

Kevin Bonham
16-10-2004, 11:40 PM
The clock display for Arianne's game isn't working.

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 11:56 PM
Korchnoi just lost in 13 moves to Morozevich.

Bill Gletsos
16-10-2004, 11:58 PM
[Event "Chess Olympiad"]
[Site "Calvia"]
[Date "2004.10.16"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Alexander Morozevich"]
[Black "Viktor Kortschnoi"]
[Result "1-0"]
[WhiteElo "2758"]
[BlackElo "2601"]
[Annotator "Robot 1"]
[PlyCount "25"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. d3 b5 6. Bb3 Bc5 7. Nc3 d6 8. Nd5
Ng4 9. O-O Na5 10. Bg5 f6 11. Bd2 Nxb3 12. axb3 c6?? 13. Ba5
1-0

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 12:30 AM
Ghastly.

Is anyone else following Anastasia's game? Move 12 and she's attempting to smash the opposing kingside with pawns on e4,f4 and g4 in front of her own king-side castled king. Hope it works, I love to see black kingsides get taken to the cleaners in the Sicilian.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 12:36 AM
Ghastly.

Is anyone else following Anastasia's game? Move 12 and she's attempting to smash the opposing kingside with pawns on e4,f4 and g4 in front of her own king-side castled king. Hope it works, I love to see black kingsides get taken to the cleaners in the Sicilian.
Sicilian Sozin i see, Ana took down a big name player i think at Ballarat if i remember someone saying it correctly to me recently.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 12:37 AM
The Zhao game's interesting too. Zhao's nominally up a pawn but has a dreadful bishop which he's hopefully about to fix and his king seems to be a bit of a target with white pressure on the c and d files.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 12:40 AM
Sicilian Sozin i see, Ana took down a big name player i think at Ballarat if i remember someone saying it correctly to me recently.

IM Peter Froehlich in the final round.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 12:40 AM
Does anyone know where the next olympiad is going to be held?

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 12:54 AM
I don't.

Zhao appears to be positionally lost against Huzman now. Even if he gets that bishop out it won't play. Big nasties coming on the c-file too. Ugg.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 12:56 AM
Sicilian Sozin i see, Ana took down a big name player i think at Ballarat if i remember someone saying it correctly to me recently.
no computer analysis here, but ana has to be thinking f5 at some stage surely??

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 01:01 AM
no computer analysis here, but ana has to be thinking f5 at some stage surely??

Well she played 13.g5. I'd play 14.f5 here, I just couldn't help myself. :lol:

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 01:03 AM
Well she played 13.g5. I'd play 14.f5 here, I just couldn't help myself. :lol:
holy jeepers, Bd5 :eek: and we thought we were mad with f5 :lol: :lol:

auriga
17-10-2004, 01:07 AM
Does anyone know where the next olympiad is going to be held?

it's set for turin, italy.
check the fide schedule for 2006

http://www.fide.com/calendar/fidecalendar.phtml?uidas=2

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 01:12 AM
That (Bd5) looks awesome - I see what it does, the knight retakes on d5 then Nf5 recovers the piece. I doubt that Black will take it.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 01:15 AM
That looks awesome - I see what it does, the knight retakes on d5 then Nf5 recovers the piece. I doubt that Black will take it.
i had fritz running on the cwcc game and changed it to this one :lol: fritz give Bd5 as the only decent way forward and is recommending a whole batch on non captures. what Bd5 does do is force tina to chew up alot of time on her clock, a very important factor in this game with only 30 second increments.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 01:25 AM
Well now Black has got rid of her c8-bishop for that bishop so White no longer has to worry about giving up B for N or any pawn structure damage. But the Black queen looks more useful on b7 than it did on c7. I don't think there's going to be too much violence right away, maybe a bit later. :)

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 01:30 AM
I don't.

Zhao appears to be positionally lost against Huzman now. Even if he gets that bishop out it won't play. Big nasties coming on the c-file too. Ugg.
Zhao has lost.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 01:34 AM
Well now Black has got rid of her c8-bishop for that bishop so White no longer has to worry about giving up B for N or any pawn structure damage. But the Black queen looks more useful on b7 than it did on c7. I don't think there's going to be too much violence right away, maybe a bit later. :)
if ana can find 19. f5, fritz says 0.53 ahead

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 01:37 AM
Yes, the end (of the Zhao game) was much as I expected. That was probably coming from rather early on.

Sutovsky-Rogers game has just got fired up with an exchange sac by Ian.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 01:44 AM
Smerdon's going well. I think he is about to win a pawn.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 01:47 AM
if ana can find 19. f5, fritz says 0.53 ahead
ana played Be3 instead, not sure where ana is going with the bishop?

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 02:15 AM
The moves in the Rogers game are now rubbish.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 02:19 AM
They agreed a draw and were analysing on the board. After Sutovsky offered the counter-exchange sac Rogers was going to take it and then they would have OCBs. Good game.

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 02:19 AM
The Sutovsky - Rogers game was drawn.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 02:25 AM
In the match below us, Chile are 2-1 and a pawn up against Azerbaijan. A rather big upset looming there.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 02:26 AM
is anyone still watching anastasia's game?

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 02:30 AM
is anyone still watching anastasia's game?

Yes, but a lot of the fizz has gone out of it. Still interesting but nothing doing on the king-side anymore.

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 02:31 AM
Yes and I think she may be in trouble.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 02:32 AM
Yes and I think she may be in trouble.
correct, I was expecting Qh4 from ana and she was doing well from looking at it and from fritz as well. Qe2??

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 02:55 AM
Poor Smerdon - going so well for so long in his first Olympiad game against a GM and loses with such a blunder. Darryl also got bowled over in the end despite strong resistance so Israel wins 3.5-0.5. I thought before the match that it'd probably be 3.5-0.5 or 3-1 but it was looking so much better for a while. Oh well.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 03:01 AM
I reckon Germany will win 3-0 at the moment.

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 03:02 AM
correct, I was expecting Qh4 from ana and she was doing well from looking at it and from fritz as well. Qe2??
Well she just resigned.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 03:03 AM
I reckon Germany will win 3-0 at the moment.
ana just lost, arianne looks like she isnt fairing much better and same with irina. So 3-0 germany as Kevin said.

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 03:03 AM
I reckon Germany will win 3-0 at the moment.
It looks that way.

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 03:13 AM
Irina just resigned.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 03:17 AM
Irina just resigned.

Kachiani was too good. I thought that k-side buildup looked ominous a long time back.

I don't think Arianne has any realistic drawing chances.

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 03:24 AM
Kachiani was too good. I thought that k-side buildup looked ominous a long time back.
Yes, it always seemed just a matter of time.


I don't think Arianne has any realistic drawing chances.
Agreed.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 03:25 AM
so in total is Australia going to lose 7-0?

Bill Gletsos
17-10-2004, 03:35 AM
No.
Rogers drew.

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 03:35 AM
so in total is Australia going to lose 7-0?

6.5-0.5. Ian drew.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 03:38 AM
6.5-0.5. Ian drew.
ok thats alright then ;)

Recherché
17-10-2004, 01:50 PM
For those who don't have it, here's the link for the games:

http://www.36chessolympiad-daily.com/partidas.php?idioma=en

You can download completed games, and there's a link to the live broadcast as well. I'm looking forward to seeing those Round 2 games, even if they turned out badly for us. :)

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 04:08 PM
Looking at the main site, it appears:

The men are playing Paraguay:

The Paraguay team:


1 IM Cubas Jose Fernando 2376 PAR
2 Bachmann Axel 2282 PAR
3 Jodorcovsky Paulo 2278 PAR
4 FM Patriarca Luis 2259 PAR
5 FM Ferreira Oscar 2284 PAR
6 Ojeda Javier 2206 PAR

I would say that Paraguay will field there strongest line up in this game.

In the womens, Australia plays Lebanon:

1 WIM Mouradian Knarik 2119 LIB
2 WFM Nekrasova Elena 2107 LIB
3 Mouradian Suzan 0 LIB
4 Makhlouf Youmna 0 LIB

JGB
17-10-2004, 07:53 PM
Without trying to pressure our teams too much, todays results would not suprise me if they turned out like day one's. :) We are definately riding that snakes and ladders game at the moment, hopefully after round three our teams will be well enough placed to play good chess without having to play against the teams full of super GM'S.

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 07:56 PM
Without trying to pressure our teams too much, todays results would not suprise me if they turned out like day one's. :) We are definately riding that snakes and ladders game at the moment, hopefully after round three our teams will be well enough placed to play good chess without having to play against the teams full of super GM'S.
and once again, if both aussies teams win well, then they might be on the dgt boards, so we can watch them again :D but can someone tell the organisers to stop having the aussie games on the dgt boards on the same day at the cwcc :eek:

Kevin Bonham
17-10-2004, 09:20 PM
and once again, if both aussies teams win well, then they might be on the dgt boards, so we can watch them again :D but can someone tell the organisers to stop having the aussie games on the dgt boards on the same day at the cwcc :eek:

Actually I really enjoyed watching all the Australian games at the same time as the CWCC. Not sure if strong results today would put us back on the dgt boards tomorrow night or not.

Trent Parker
18-10-2004, 12:17 AM
What no aussies on tonight?????
No Wch to watch..... no aussie olympiad games to watch......
Great! Just when i have dosed myself up with no-doz. (only joking :lol: ) what am i going to do now? :lol:

Garvinator
18-10-2004, 01:13 AM
What no aussies on tonight?????
No Wch to watch..... no aussie olympiad games to watch......
Great! Just when i have dosed myself up with no-doz. (only joking :lol: ) what am i going to do now? :lol:
you could answer my post in the fisher ghost open thread ;)

shaun
18-10-2004, 02:59 AM
Men
Australia 3.5 - Paraguy 0.5

Women
Australia 2 - Lebanon 1
Lebanon Bd.1 was from Armenia
Bd 2. from Russia
Bd 3. Just a good player (according to Sandler)

JGB
18-10-2004, 03:53 AM
Our teams seem to be in good form producing good results today. Im looking foward to seeing who play tomorrow. :)

pax
18-10-2004, 10:58 AM
Why is this thread in General Chess Chat rather than Tournament News and Results? It took me ages to find it...

Recherché
18-10-2004, 11:03 AM
Why is this thread in General Chess Chat rather than Tournament News and Results? It took me ages to find it...

Well, despite us having a team in it, it's not really "Australian Chess". I always had the impression the Tournament News and Results forum was for local tournaments.

Ian Rout
18-10-2004, 11:33 AM
I think of the News and Results being primarily for announcements, so that they all end up in one obvious place - though these do sometimes spin off into discussions.

Bill Gletsos
18-10-2004, 01:13 PM
Round 4 pairings.
The men are playing the 16th seeds China down in pairing 17.
The women are playing the 25th seeds Moldova in paiiring 18.

PNG is playing 104th seeds Nepal in pairing 56

Bill Gletsos
18-10-2004, 01:17 PM
BTW the number 1 pairing tonight is between the number 1 & 2 seeded countries Russia & Ukraine.

Russia
1 GM Morozevich Alexander 2758
2 GM Svidler Peter 2735
3 GM Grischuk Alexander 2704
4 GM Dreev Alexey 2698
GM Khalifman Alexander 2669
GM Zvjaginsev Vadim 2650

Ukraine
1 GM Ivanchuk Vassily 2705
2 GM Ponomariov Ruslan 2710
3 GM Volokitin Andrei 2652
4 GM Moiseenko Alexander 2653
GM Eljanov Pavel 2629
GM Karjakin Sergey 2576

Bill Gletsos
18-10-2004, 01:22 PM
The Chinese mens team is:

1 GM Ye Jiangchuan 2649
2 GM Zhang Zhong 2596
3 GM Xu Jun 2589
4 GM Bu Xiangzhi 2615
FM Wang Yue 2536
Wang Hao 2456

The Moldovian womens team is:

1 WGM Petrenko Svetlana 2323
2 WGM Susterman Anja 2299
3 WGM Partac Elena 2259
WIM Smokina Karolina 2267

Kevin Bonham
18-10-2004, 03:06 PM
Round 4 pairings.
The men are playing the 16th seeds China down in pairing 17.

That should be "up", since it's above our seeding. China are a pretty scary opponent to be getting on such a board.

Last night's results by player:

1 GM Rogers Ian 2593 - IM Cubas Jose Fernando 2376 1 - 0
2 GM Johansen Darryl K 2483 - Bachmann Axel 2282 ½ - ½
3 IM Lane Gary W 2442 - FM Patriarca Luis 2259 1 - 0
4 IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 - FM Ferreira Oscar 2284 1 - 0

1 WIM Mouradian Knarik 2119 - IM Berezina Irina 2281 ½ - ½
2 WFM Nekrasova Elena 2107 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2250 ½ - ½
3 Makhlouf Youmna 0 - Eriksson Ingela S 2098 0 - 1

Bill Gletsos
18-10-2004, 03:11 PM
That should be "up", since it's above our seeding.
I originally typed it as "down on board 17". After realising that it wasnt really true to use the word board I changed it. In doing so I should have also dropped the word "down" altogther.

JGB
18-10-2004, 07:07 PM
Its going to be a hard fight for the Mens team today. Anyone know if they will be shown live? (now that i am back at work I have a little time to keep up with the teams :cool: )

Bill Gletsos
18-10-2004, 07:13 PM
Its going to be a hard fight for the Mens team today. Anyone know if they will be shown live?
I'd be surprised if it will be as I think their pairing isnt high enough.

Garvinator
18-10-2004, 07:15 PM
Its going to be a hard fight for the Mens team today. Anyone know if they will be shown live? (now that i am back at work I have a little time to keep up with the teams :cool: )
i dont think we will see Australia high enough up to see them live again. That is why we were so interested in seeing them in the second round.

JGB
18-10-2004, 07:59 PM
I must say I find the fact that all (yes absolutely every) game is not show live pathetic. This is the Olymics of Chess in 2004 and this is not possible? :hmm:

I know that task is not easy but, we talk about promoting the game etc, and at the highest most competitive level of our 'sport' we can not even get it live!

shaun
18-10-2004, 08:51 PM
The story is that while FIDE have enough boards to show all the games live, they want to charge the organisers for using them. In return the organisers are trying to do everything as cheaply as possible and so only chose to use X number of boards rather than all of them. Who does this reflect badly on? Both FIDE and the organisers as far as I'm concerned.

Garvinator
18-10-2004, 09:43 PM
The story is that while FIDE have enough boards to show all the games live, they want to charge the organisers for using them. In return the organisers are trying to do everything as cheaply as possible and so only chose to use X number of boards rather than all of them. Who does this reflect badly on? Both FIDE and the organisers as far as I'm concerned.so fide have enough dgt boards for each game?

shaun
18-10-2004, 10:35 PM
so fide have enough dgt boards for each game?

Yes, but the organisers won´t pay FIDE what FIDE want.

Kevin Bonham
18-10-2004, 11:19 PM
i dont think we will see Australia high enough up to see them live again.

On the contrary I think the chances are fairly good of the Open team making the top 15 boards again at some time during the remainder of the tournament.

Kevin Bonham
18-10-2004, 11:23 PM
The story is that while FIDE have enough boards to show all the games live, they want to charge the organisers for using them. In return the organisers are trying to do everything as cheaply as possible and so only chose to use X number of boards rather than all of them. Who does this reflect badly on? Both FIDE and the organisers as far as I'm concerned.

I agree. It is amazing that they cannot come to an agreement between them.

JGB
19-10-2004, 03:05 AM
Back to more important things like; how are our boys and gals doing in Spain!
I am having problems with both sites can any one get through?

shaun
19-10-2004, 03:11 AM
China 2.5 - Australia 1.5

China played their top 4 while Australia rested Johansen and Lane.
Rogers and Smerdon lost, Zhao drew and Solomon won against the China No. 2!

JGB
19-10-2004, 03:13 AM
China 2.5 - Australia 1.5

China played their top 4 while Australia rested Johansen and Lane.
Rogers and Smerdon lost, Zhao drew and Solomon won against the China No. 2!

Good news against a very strong team. Well done!

Bill Gletsos
19-10-2004, 03:13 AM
China 2.5 - Australia 1.5

China played their top 4 while Australia rested Johansen and Lane.
Rogers and Smerdon lost, Zhao drew and Solomon won against the China No. 2!
Thanks for the info Shaun.

JGB
19-10-2004, 03:16 AM
and the women?

(The site is difficult to access at the moment)

shaun
19-10-2004, 03:17 AM
Sadly no idea at this stage

pax
19-10-2004, 09:13 AM
China 2.5 - Australia 1.5

China played their top 4 while Australia rested Johansen and Lane.
Rogers and Smerdon lost, Zhao drew and Solomon won against the China No. 2!

Solo, you're an absolute legend!

I must say it seems wrong for Bu to be playing on board 4 though.

pax
19-10-2004, 09:18 AM
and the women?

(The site is difficult to access at the moment)

2-1 to Moldova. Arianne lost, Anastasia and Ingela drew. A good result considering we were outrated by over 300 points.

pax
19-10-2004, 09:35 AM
Men play Mexico (51 seed), Women play Finland (47 seed) in round 5. Australia should be favourite in both matches.

Mexico:
1 GM Hernandez Gilberto 2509 MEX
2 Gonzalez Zamora Juan Carlo 2524 MEX
3 IM Gonzalez Garcia Jose 2447 MEX
4 IM Espinosa Rafael 2412 MEX
5 IM Escobedo Tinajero Alberto 2386 MEX
6 IM Almeida Saenz Alfonso 2388 MEX

I'd expect to see 1,2,4 and 6.

Finland:
1 WIM Sammalvuo Niina 2282 FIN
2 WIM Rantanen Tanja 2128 FIN
3 Puuska Heini 2023 FIN
4 Rautanen Sari 1974 FIN

Looks to me as though 1 and 2 will play nearly every match.

Ian Rout
19-10-2004, 10:29 AM
So does nybody know who is this Gonzalez Zamora rated 2524 without even an FM title? This suggests someone young and meteoric but there is no DoB or photo on the FIDE site.

pax
19-10-2004, 12:08 PM
So does nybody know who is this Gonzalez Zamora rated 2524 without even an FM title? This suggests someone young and meteoric but there is no DoB or photo on the FIDE site.

Well he's only played 44 rated games according to FIDE, so I'd say young and meteoric is right! He's been rated since April '03. He was previously registered in Cuba.

With that sort of record, one wouldn't want to make any predictions.

pax
19-10-2004, 12:11 PM
So does nybody know who is this Gonzalez Zamora rated 2524 without even an FM title? This suggests someone young and meteoric but there is no DoB or photo on the FIDE site.

Then again, chessgames.com lists him with games going back to 1952, so maybe he's an old warhorse. My suspicion is that those games might be a case of mistaken identity.

http://www.chessgames.com/player/juan_carlos_gonzalez-zamora.html

Shaun, you'll have to tell us if he's old and grizzled looking!

Ian Rout
19-10-2004, 03:31 PM
One point from last night's results is that pax may have a while to wait for his dream pairing of the youthful Azerbaijanis and the American geriatrics, as the gap between them grew to 1.5 points. GM Novikov, a mere 23 years out of his teens, is scoring well for USA and kept them in touch with a win last night.

Better news for the American women, although they have not had quite the return per dollar they would have hoped for they are still in striking range. They need S. Polgar to score some full points though.

Garvinator
19-10-2004, 04:27 PM
They need S. Polgar to score some full points though. they need S. Polgar to start playing like her sister Judit ;)

Kevin Bonham
19-10-2004, 04:29 PM
Last night's results board by board.

1 GM Rogers Ian 2593 - GM Ye Jiangchuan 2649 0 - 1
2 IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 - GM Zhang Zhong 2596 1 - 0
3 IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410 - GM Xu Jun 2589 ½ - ½
4 IM Smerdon David 2425 - GM Bu Xiangzhi 2615 0 - 1

Good result against such a strong team especially after being unlucky vs Israel.

1 WGM Petrenko Svetlana 2323 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2250 1 - 0
2 WGM Susterman Anja 2299 - WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 ½ - ½
3 WGM Partac Elena 2259 - Eriksson Ingela S 2098 ½ - ½

JGB
19-10-2004, 05:18 PM
Last night's results board by board.

1 GM Rogers Ian 2593 - GM Ye Jiangchuan 2649 0 - 1
2 IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 - GM Zhang Zhong 2596 1 - 0
3 IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410 - GM Xu Jun 2589 ½ - ½
4 IM Smerdon David 2425 - GM Bu Xiangzhi 2615 0 - 1

Good result against such a strong team especially after being unlucky vs Israel.

1 WGM Petrenko Svetlana 2323 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2250 1 - 0
2 WGM Susterman Anja 2299 - WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 ½ - ½
3 WGM Partac Elena 2259 - Eriksson Ingela S 2098 ½ - ½

With the mens average of almost 200 elo points below the Chinese, a great effort indeed. Our womens team also being outrated by over 100 point average scored well.

arosar
19-10-2004, 05:22 PM
How are we tracking so far against the last Olympiad - better, worse?

AR

Kevin Bonham
19-10-2004, 06:42 PM
How are we tracking so far against the last Olympiad - better, worse?

AR

The Open team are currently on 9.5/16 compared to 8.5 last time.

The Women's team are currently on 6/12 which is the same as last time.

Note that it's often the results in the last few rounds that make the biggest difference to the final position.

JGB
20-10-2004, 12:43 AM
China gets on live today after just beating us yesterday. Damn we not far outside the live playing boards then.

eclectic
20-10-2004, 12:51 AM
China gets on live today after just beating us yesterday. Damn we not far outside the live playing boards then.

JGB,

Do you think that for next olympiad in addition to trying to raise funds ( :lol: ) we'll be bringing our own digital boards plus attempting to secure broadcasting rights with any isp etc interested enough?

eclectic

JGB
20-10-2004, 12:57 AM
JGB,

Do you think that for next olympiad in addition to trying to raise funds ( :lol: ) we'll be bringing our own digital boards plus attempting to secure broadcasting rights with any isp etc interested enough?

eclectic

It is certainly not a bad question in general. I wonder what the host would say to a team who wanted their own games to be shown live regardless of the teams current standing, provided they brought their own Dgt boards and set up their own internet site.
Chesskit could host the Australian games at the next Olympics! :clap:
It is a thought for the next Olympics, anyway.
...as for securing funds for the Olympics that is another question.

Garvinator
20-10-2004, 01:14 AM
JGB,

Do you think that for next olympiad in addition to trying to raise funds ( :lol: ) we'll be bringing our own digital boards plus attempting to secure broadcasting rights with any isp etc interested enough?

eclectic
Hello mr eclectic, you dont read previous posts on a thread do you? Shaun Press has said previously that fide has enough boards there already to show each and every game live on the internet. The problem is between the organisers and fide regarding payment of fees for the boards etc.

eclectic
20-10-2004, 01:20 AM
Hello mr eclectic, you dont read previous posts on a thread do you? Shaun Press has said previously that fide has enough boards there already to show each and every game live on the internet. The problem is between the organisers and fide regarding payment of fees for the boards etc.

yes mrmr ggrayggray,

i had read shaun's article

but my idea was for a way to bypass their petty bickering

shouldn't matters concerning costs have been set out in the original bid?

eclectic

Garvinator
20-10-2004, 01:22 AM
yes mrmr ggrayggray,

i had read shaun's article

but my idea was for a way to bypass their petty bickering i suspect fide would try and charge money somehow


shouldn't matters concerning costs have been set out in the original bid? never forget who you are talking about :doh:

eclectic
20-10-2004, 01:29 AM
never forget who you are talking about :doh:

Is it the same organisation which is trying to glue back together fragments of an obscure piece of pottery once known as the "world chess championship"?

:hmm:

eclectic

Garvinator
20-10-2004, 01:46 AM
Is it the same organisation which is trying to glue back together fragments of an obscure piece of pottery once known as the "world chess championship"?

:hmm:

eclectic
could be ;) :uhoh:

shaun
20-10-2004, 02:59 AM
Australia 1 - Mexico 3
Draws to Johansen and Zhao, losses to Lane and Solomon.

No info on the womens match.

JGB
20-10-2004, 05:24 AM
A 2 - 1 win for the Australian Womens team!

Bo. 35 Australia - 47 Finland 2-1
1 IM Berezina Irina 2281 - WIM Sammalvuo Niina 2282 1/2
2 WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 - WIM Rantanen Tanja 2128 1/2
3 Eriksson Ingela S 2098 - Rautanen Sari 1974 1-0

JGB
20-10-2004, 05:27 AM
A stated earlier the mens team (without Rogers) lost 3-1 to a strong Mexican team.
The Individiual results are:

Bo. 51 Mexico Rtg - 45 Australia Rtg 3-1
1 GM Hernandez Gilberto 2509 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2483 1/2
2 Gonzalez Zamora Juan Carlo 2524 - IM Lane Gary W 2442 1-0
3 IM Gonzalez Garcia Jose 2447 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 1-0
4 IM Almeida Saenz Alfonso 2388 - IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410 1/2

JGB
20-10-2004, 05:44 AM
I just got news of tomorrows Round 6 games:
Men: Australia Vs Tajikistan
Women: Bosnia Herzegovina Vs Australia

Trent Parker
20-10-2004, 07:25 AM
Hmm Tajikikstan A part of the former USSR i imagine.
Interesting to see what their team is like....

pax
20-10-2004, 09:21 AM
Hmm Tajikikstan A part of the former USSR i imagine.
Interesting to see what their team is like....

1 IM Khamdamov Suhrob 2150 TJK
2 IM Isaev Jamshed 2424 TJK
3 Khouseinov Rashid 2343
4 Ziyaev Negmat 2295 TJK


Former Soviet does not autoimatically equal strong team obviously (I guess the Asian end of the former USSR is less chess crazy than the European end). I wonder if 2150 is the lowest rated IM in the world??

Maybe also getting tired since all four players play all the games?

Go the sweep fellas!

pax
20-10-2004, 09:26 AM
Khamdamov is obviously no bunny though: He currently has a performance rating of nearly 2600 (beat two GMs)! Maybe he's going for worlds lowest rated GM :)

Ian Rout
20-10-2004, 10:03 AM
According to the FIDE site the lowest-rated IM is Willy de Winter of Mexico at 2065.

The difference is that his rating is dropping so he's probably just no longer (or never was) playing like an IM; maybe semi-retired. On the other hand given Khamdamov's performance and the fact that they play him above their 2400 IM it seems likely that the IM part is real and it's the rating that has a story behind it.

Recherché
20-10-2004, 10:36 AM
On the other hand given Khamdamov's performance and the fact that they play him above their 2400 IM it seems likely that the IM part is real and it's the rating that has a story behind it.

My first thought was that he's a rising star who gained the IM title through one of the special tournament qualifications (placing highly at the world juniors, for instance), rather than through norms, and that the ratings system was still struggling to catch up.

However he's 38, and has an inactive flag, so I suppose the rating has just dropped due to inactivity penalties.

Garvinator
20-10-2004, 11:39 AM
My first thought was that he's a rising star who gained the IM title through one of the special tournament qualifications (placing highly at the world juniors, for instance), rather than through norms, and that the ratings system was still struggling to catch up.

However he's 38, and has an inactive flag, so I suppose the rating has just dropped due to inactivity penalties.
maybe he got his title at a zonal ;) :lol:

pax
20-10-2004, 01:32 PM
My first thought was that he's a rising star who gained the IM title through one of the special tournament qualifications (placing highly at the world juniors, for instance), rather than through norms, and that the ratings system was still struggling to catch up.

However he's 38, and has an inactive flag, so I suppose the rating has just dropped due to inactivity penalties.

I don't believe FIDE has any inactivity penalties.

After all, Bobby Fischer is still rated 2780 on the FIDE list.

Could be a zonal, or a continental junior (Aussie Shane Hill got the IM title from the Asian junior).

antichrist
20-10-2004, 04:53 PM
Men
Australia 3.5 - Paraguy 0.5

Women
Australia 2 - Lebanon 1
Lebanon Bd.1 was from Armenia
Bd 2. from Russia
Bd 3. Just a good player (according to Sandler)

Up the Lebos, Nick needs a wife, was board 3 married?

arosar
20-10-2004, 04:57 PM
Nick's me mate. And I'm not sure he'll appreciate your comment.

AR

Bill Gletsos
20-10-2004, 06:36 PM
I don't believe FIDE has any inactivity penalties.
Correct.

Bill Gletsos
20-10-2004, 06:52 PM
According to the FIDE site the lowest-rated IM is Willy de Winter of Mexico at 2065.
He was rated at least 2390 back in the January 1977 FIDE list.
Back then and even into the 1980's (at least till 1984 but prior to 1988 I think) the minimum rating requirement for a GM was 2450 and an IM 2350 (nowadays 2500 and 2400) respectively.

Bill Gletsos
20-10-2004, 07:14 PM
Khamdamov is obviously no bunny though: He currently has a performance rating of nearly 2600 (beat two GMs)! Maybe he's going for worlds lowest rated GM :)
He had the IM title back in the Jan 1992 FIDE rating list when his rating was 2210 according to Informator 53. In fact 2210 appears to have been his highest rating to date.

JGB
20-10-2004, 07:40 PM
Did someone write here that in the olympics a GM average in the competition leads to a GM title, without the normal 3 (?) norm requirements?

Can someone confirm that or was I tired when I read that a while back. :hmm:

shaun
20-10-2004, 08:17 PM
A GM norm over 13 games at the Olympiad automatically qualifies the player for the title (as does a similar IM norm for the IM title). A title norm over less rounds (minimum of 9 of course) counts as a Round Robin norm for title qualification purposes (ie norms over 24 games with a RR norm for the title, norms over 30 games without a RR norm)

shaun
20-10-2004, 08:19 PM
Tajikistan are playing their top 4, as it seems the other two members of thier team are tourists, while Australia are playing Rogers, Johansen, Lane and Smerdon.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 12:06 AM
A GM norm over 13 games at the Olympiad automatically qualifies the player for the title (as does a similar IM norm for the IM title). A title norm over less rounds (minimum of 9 of course) counts as a Round Robin norm for title qualification purposes (ie norms over 24 games with a RR norm for the title, norms over 30 games without a RR norm)
Its only a 12 game 2600+ performance not 13 according to 1.21 of the section Requirements for the titles designated in 0.31. of the FIDE Handbook on the FIDE web site.
This is the latest set of rules.
See http://www.fide.com/official/handbook.asp?level=B0101

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 12:25 AM
they need S. Polgar to start playing like her sister Judit ;)
Thats very unlikely to happen.

JGB
21-10-2004, 12:28 AM
AGGGHHH! :wall:
I have to say again that it is so annoying that our games are not availiable live! :evil:

Ian_Rogers
21-10-2004, 02:36 AM
Almost live...

Rogers,I (2593) - Khamdamov,S (2150) [B06]
Calvia Olympiad (6), 20.10.2004

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 a6 5.Be2 b5 6.0-0 Bb7 7.Re1 b4 8.Nd5 e6 9.Nxb4 a5 10.Nd3 Bxe4 11.Ng5 Bc6 12.Bg4 Nh6 13.Bxe6 0-0 14.Bh3 Qf6 15.c3 Nd7 16.d5 Bb5 17.c4 Bxc4 18.Bxd7 Bxd5 19.Nf4 Bb7 20.Nd5 Qd8 21.Ne4 c6 22.Bg5 f6 23.Ndxf6+ Kh8 24.Ng4 Qxd7 25.Nxh6 1-0

The rest of the match is up in the air at the moment.

shaun
21-10-2004, 03:31 AM
Australia wins 2.5 - 1.5

JGB
21-10-2004, 04:22 AM
Using the Rogers post I Just made the game viewable to the users of Chesskit.

Round 6
Rogers,I (2593) - Khamdamov,S (2150) [B06]
Calvia Olympiad (6), 20.10.2004

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 a6 5.Be2 b5 6.0-0 Bb7 7.Re1 b4 8.Nd5 e6 9.Nxb4 a5 10.Nd3 Bxe4 11.Ng5 Bc6 12.Bg4 Nh6 13.Bxe6 0-0 14.Bh3 Qf6 15.c3 Nd7 16.d5 Bb5 17.c4 Bxc4 18.Bxd7 Bxd5 19.Nf4 Bb7 20.Nd5 Qd8 21.Ne4 c6 22.Bg5 f6 23.Ndxf6+ Kh8 24.Ng4 Qxd7 25.Nxh6 1-0

Rhubarb
21-10-2004, 04:22 AM
Almost live...

Rogers,I (2593) - Khamdamov,S (2150) [B06]
Calvia Olympiad (6), 20.10.2004

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Nf3 a6 5.Be2 b5 6.0-0 Bb7 7.Re1 b4 8.Nd5 e6 9.Nxb4 a5 10.Nd3 Bxe4 11.Ng5 Bc6 12.Bg4 Nh6 13.Bxe6 0-0 14.Bh3 Qf6 15.c3 Nd7 16.d5 Bb5 17.c4 Bxc4 18.Bxd7 Bxd5 19.Nf4 Bb7 20.Nd5 Qd8 21.Ne4 c6 22.Bg5 f6 23.Ndxf6+ Kh8 24.Ng4 Qxd7 25.Nxh6 1-0
Nice win by Ian. The unorthodox 12.Bg4, telegraphing the hacky-sac, is but indefensible.

Edit: although it seems the Tajikistani made it easy with 15...Nd7.

JGB
21-10-2004, 04:31 AM
Table to Table Review of Round 6 Results:

Men
Bo. 45 Australia Rtg - 83 Tajikistan 2.5-1.5

1 GM Rogers Ian 2593 - IM Khamdamov Suhrob 2150 1-0
2 GM Johansen Darryl K 2483 - IM Isaev Jamshed 2424 1/2
3 IM Lane Gary W 2442 - Khouseinov Rashid 2343 0-1
4 IM Smerdon David 2425 - Ziyaev Negmat 2295 1-0

Women
Bo. 46 Bosnia Herzegovina Rtg - 35 Australia 1-2

1 WIM Titova-Boric Elena 2252 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2250 1-0
2 WFM Dengler Dijana 2123 - WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 0-1
3 Dedijer Sanja 2064 - Eriksson Ingela S 2098 0-1

JGB
21-10-2004, 04:52 AM
The Stats after Round 6

MENS

Best Players According to points are:
1 GM Ivanchuk Vassily 2705 Ukraine 5.5 / 6
2 GM Adams Michael 2740 England 5.5 / 6
3 GM Ermenkov Evgenij 2454 Palestine 5.5 / 6

It should be noted that Australian IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 has a 75.0% win ratio with 3 points from 4 games.

Australian team report

Bo. Name Rtg FED FideID Pts. Rp
1 GM Rogers Ian 2593 AUS 3200019 2.5 2563
2 GM Johansen Darryl K 2483 AUS 3200035 1.5 2370
3 IM Lane Gary W 2442 AUS 3203301 2.0 2339
4 IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 AUS 3200043 3.0 2563
5 IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410 AUS 3202534 2.0 2408
6 IM Smerdon David 2425 AUS 3202305 2.0 2379

WOMEN:

Best Players According to points are:

1 WIM Heinatz Gundula 2244 Switzerland 5.0 / 6
2 WIM Huang Qian 2371 China 5.0 / 6
3 IM Peptan Corina-Isabela 2429 Romania 4.5 / 5
4 IM Mkrtchian Lilit 2374 Armenia 4.5 / 5

It should be noted that Eriksson Ingela (Australia) sits in 36 place with 3.5 from 4 games!

Australian team report:

32. Australia (10 / 55.5)
Bo. Name Rtg FED FideID Pts. Rp
1 IM Berezina Irina 2281 AUS 3201937 2.0 2161
2 WIM Caoili Arianne 2250 AUS 5201179 1.5 1913
3 WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 AUS 13501151 3.0 2189
4 Eriksson Ingela S 2098 AUS 3.5 2360


Tomorrows games are:

Women : Australia vs Argentina
Men : Currently unavailable

pax
21-10-2004, 09:13 AM
Nice win by Ian. The unorthodox 12.Bg4, telegraphing the hacky-sac, is but indefensible.

Edit: although it seems the Tajikistani made it easy with 15...Nd7.

Nice win for Ian. I dare say that Khamdamov wasn't playing at 2600 in this game :)

WhiteElephant
21-10-2004, 09:31 AM
Stephen Solomon - our newest GM!?

Recherché
21-10-2004, 10:49 AM
Stephen Solomon - our newest GM!?
How many more rounds are there? Will he get enough games? Will he get opponents strong enough to lift his PR above 2600 (assuming he wins, naturally)? Is the board order set in stone?

It would be great if it happened, though!

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 11:21 AM
How many more rounds are there? Will he get enough games? Will he get opponents strong enough to lift his PR above 2600 (assuming he wins, naturally)? Is the board order set in stone?

It would be great if it happened, though!
You cannot vary your board order.

Ian Rout
21-10-2004, 11:24 AM
How many more rounds are there? Will he get enough games? Will he get opponents strong enough to lift his PR above 2600 (assuming he wins, naturally)? Is the board order set in stone?

It would be great if it happened, though!
There are eight rounds left so if he plays them all he can get 12. Against a field averaging 2300 you need to score 10/12 (if I'm reading FIDE's table in para 10.1 right) to play at 2600 so it can be done.

The board order of the six can't be changed but, depending who sits out, the board a player plays on can be different from round to round.

Recherché
21-10-2004, 11:33 AM
There are eight rounds left so if he plays them all he can get 12.

Is this likely to happen? Who decides who plays each round? Would they take the prospective title into account? On the one hand, it seems to be giving favourable treatment to one player, but on the other, giving an in-form player more board time might be good for the team.

Of course, Stephen may well not want to play every day, regardless of prospective titles. I imagine it would get pretty tiring. And it might also be hard to maintain this level of performance without any rest.

Maybe he'll try for a GM norm instead? I imagine that's somewhat more realistic?

Ian Rout
21-10-2004, 11:50 AM
The team captain (Manuel Weeks) chooses the team; formally at least, maybe there's some consultation. I understand that teams normally think about individual's titles or medals, and if a player is performing at 2600 it would be in the team's interest to keep them on anyway. I imagine it becomes more of an issue when a player has to be benched to protect their score.

Yes, a norm at least must be attainable at this stage. One of the things that stops Australians making norms is getting to play in tournaments with sufficient foreign players - not a worry here.

Recherché
21-10-2004, 11:55 AM
I assume this will be his first norm, if he gets it?

Rhubarb
21-10-2004, 12:08 PM
Nice win for Ian. I dare say that Khamdamov wasn't playing at 2600 in this game :)
Another look, and a really fine game from Rogers - he had to have seen the possibilities as early as move 7. What was the consensus on Khamdamov's rating history?

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 12:09 PM
Note the performance ratings shown on the Olympiad web site are the standard FIDE calculations.
If we look at Solomon for example we get the following:

He has played 4 players rated 2154, 2284, 2596, 2447 which averages to 2370.25 with a 75% score (3 from 4). No according to the FIDE percentage tables 75% equates to 193 points. Hence his performance rating is 2370.25+193 = 2563.
Now remember the FIDE tables use the Normal distribution even though the formula they give is the logistic formula.

Note however that in real terms 75% equates to 191 points (whether the normal or logistic formula is used). Therefore his performance would equal 2561.

However a players true performance rating is simply the value for which the players expected score is equal to his actual score.
In Solos case for his expected score to equal his actual score (75%) then his performance rating equals between 2599 and 2600 (using either the normal or logistic scale).


The following web page appears to be showing performance ratings much closer to true performance ratings rather than the FIDE performance ratings for all the Olympiad participants both male and female.

http://staff.cs.utu.fi/~juhkivij/chess/ol2004/olympiad2004_en.shtml

For Solo it shows his performance rating at 2594.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 12:11 PM
Another look, and a really fine game from Rogers - he had to have seen the possibilities as early as move 7. What was the consensus on Khamdamov's rating history?
I think my post #145 in this thread sums it up. ;)

pax
21-10-2004, 12:54 PM
The following web page appears to be showing performance ratings much closer to true performance ratings rather than the FIDE performance ratings for all the Olympiad participants both male and female.

http://staff.cs.utu.fi/~juhkivij/chess/ol2004/olympiad2004_en.shtml

For Solo it shows his performance rating at 2594.

Fantastic! I've followed Juha's page since 2000, and had thought he wasn't doing it this year - he obviously just took a few days to get around to it.

That's a great resource for player performances. Much better than the official site.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 12:57 PM
The men are playing Belgium the 56th seeds in pairing 26 so looks like no live games again.

As mentioned earlier the women are playing Argentina the 30th seeds.

pax
21-10-2004, 12:58 PM
Stephen Solomon - our newest GM!?

I can't see him getting his rating over 2500 anytime soon. Neither can I see him playing the 12 games needed to garner the title outright. A norm is certainly within the realms of possibility. Doesn't he have another norm stashed away somewhere?

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 01:10 PM
Also in the mens:

India V Ukraine so we should get to see Anand V Ivanchuk (currently a performance rating in excess of 3000).
Azerbaijan V Spain A with Radjabov V Shirov
Russia V Bulgaria

PNG V Trinidad and Tobago

New Zealand on 12 points (1 behind Aus) V Venezuela

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 01:15 PM
BTW the pairings are up at http://www.36chessolympiad.com/emparejamientos_men_team_7.php?idioma=en
and not as indicated from the web site at http://www.36chessolympiad.com/emparejamientos_men_7.php?idioma=en

Likewise the women are at http://www.36chessolympiad.com/emparejamientos_woman_team_7.php?idioma=en

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 01:18 PM
Fantastic! I've followed Juha's page since 2000, and had thought he wasn't doing it this year - he obviously just took a few days to get around to it.

That's a great resource for player performances. Much better than the official site.
Yes it is very good.
I cant explain why his figure for Solo is 2594 and not 2599 but his figures are certainly better indicators of performance than those on the official site.

Rhubarb
21-10-2004, 04:04 PM
He had the IM title back in the Jan 1992 FIDE rating list when his rating was 2210 according to Informator 53. In fact 2210 appears to have been his highest rating to date.
So, what happened, did Tajikistan do the ol' stackeroo?

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 04:17 PM
So, what happened, did Tajikistan do the ol' stackeroo?
It is hard to tell exactly.
Based on board order it would appear so but his results so far give a performance rating around 2545.

Their board order is:
1 IM Khamdamov Suhrob 2150
2 IM Isaev Jamshed 2424
3 Khouseinov Rashid 2343
4 Ziyaev Negmat 2295
5 Muminov Muhammadarahim
6 Abdulloev Nurullo

although so far boards 5 & 6 have not played any games.

Khamdamov has 3.5/6 in the following results:

1 GM Azarov Sergei 2556 BLR 1
2 IM Rohl Juan 2401 VEN 1/2
3 GM Granda Zuniga Julio E 2605 PER 1
4 GM Dervishi Erald 2502 ALB 0
5 Ovalle Ramon 2184 PUR 1
6 GM Rogers Ian 2593 AUS 0

Ian Rout
21-10-2004, 04:47 PM
The other point there is that the board 2 has a performance about in line with his rating so the implication is that the order is legitimate. It could also be that they had some sort of qualification tournament or other measure which over-rode ratings, or that Khamdamov is higher on the domestic rating list.

Rhubarb
21-10-2004, 05:09 PM
The other point there is that the board 2 has a performance about in line with his rating so the implication is that the order is legitimate. It could also be that they had some sort of qualification tournament or other measure which over-rode ratings, or that Khamdamov is higher on the domestic rating list.
Right, maybe it's legitimate - I'd still like to know the story behind someone rated 2150 beating the likes of Azarov and Granda Zuniga.

JGB
21-10-2004, 05:14 PM
Right, maybe it's legitimate - I'd still like to know the story behind someone rated 2150 beating the likes of Azarov and Granda Zuniga.

I'd like to see the games too! (when I have some time).

Rhubarb
21-10-2004, 05:29 PM
This Granda Zuniga is after all very strong. Before he found God in the middle of his Peruvian paddock, he was like top 30 in the world.

Garvinator
21-10-2004, 05:33 PM
This Granda Zuniga is after all very strong. Before he found God in the middle of his Peruvian paddock, he was like top 30 in the world.
so finding god didnt help his chess, something in that for all of us :whistle:

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 05:45 PM
[Event "36th Olympiad Calvia ESP"]
[Date "2004.10.15"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Khamdamov,S"]
[Black "Azarov,S"]
[Result "1-0"]
1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 0-0 5.Nge2 d5 6.a3 Be7 7.Nf4 c6 8.Be2 Nbd7 9.cxd5 exd5 10.0-0 Bd6 11.Qc2 a5 12.Bd3 Re8 13.f3 Bxf4 14.exf4 b6 15.f5 Ba6 16.Bxa6 Rxa6 17.Bg5 h6 18.Bh4 b5 19.Rfe1 Ra8 20.Rxe8+ Qxe8 21.Re1 Qf8 22.Ne2 Rc8 23.Nf4 a4 24.Rc1 Qd6 25.Nd3 Nb6 26.Bg3 Qd8 27.Qc5 Nfd7 28.Qd6 Nc4 29.Qf4 Qf8 30.Bh4 f6 31.Re1 Qf7 32.Qg4 Re8 33.Re6 h5 34.Qh3 Nf8 35.Nf4 b4 36.Be1 bxa3 37.bxa3 Rb8 38.Rxc6 Rb1 39.Kf2 Qe8 40.Re6 Qb8 41.Nxd5 Nxe6 42.fxe6 Qb2+ 43.Kg3 Qc1 44.Qf5 Qxe1+ 45.Kh3 Nd6 46.Ne7+ Kf8 47.Ng6+ Kg8 48.Ne7+ Kf8 49.Ng6+ Kg8 50.Qd5 Rb8 51.Qxd6 Re8 52.d5 Qb1 53.Nh4 Qb7 54.Nf5 Kh7 55.Qc5 Rc8 56.Qe7 Rc7 57.Qd8 Qb1 58.Ng3 Qb7 59.d6 Rc4 60.Qe8 h4 61.d7 Rd4 62.Nf5 1-0

pax
21-10-2004, 05:54 PM
What a great game.. I particularly liked a couple of those Queen maneouvres. Definitely looks like stronger than 2150 play to me (like I'd know).. It certainly wasn't the result of some patzer blunder by Azarov.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 06:03 PM
[Event "36th Olympiad Calvia ESP"]
[Date "2004.10.16"]
[Round "2"]
[White "Khamdamov,S"]
[Black "Rohl,J"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 g6 3.g3 Bg7 4.Bg2 0-0 5.Nf3 d6 6.0-0 Nc6 7.Nc3 Bd7 8.e4 Bg4 9.Be3 Nd7 10.Ne2 e5 11.d5 Bxf3 12.Bxf3 Ne7 13.Bg2 f5 14.f3 Nf6 15.Nc3 c5 16.dxc6 bxc6 17.Qd2 Qc7 18.Rad1 Rad8 19.Bg5 h6 20.Bxh6 Bxh6 21.Qxh6 Qb6+ 22.Rf2 Kf7 23.Bf1 f4 24.gxf4 Rh8 25.Qg5 Rxh2 26.Bg2 Qe3 27.Qg3 Rdh8 28.fxe5 dxe5 29.Qxe5 R8h5 30.Qd4 Qg5 31.Kf1 Qg3 32.Ne2 Qh4 33.e5 Qxd4 34.Nxd4 Rxe5 35.f4 Rc5 36.Nf3 Rhh5 37.b4 Rcf5 38.Nd4 Ng4 39.Nxf5 Nxf5 40.Bf3 Nfe3+ 41.Ke2 Nxf2 42.Rd7+ Ke6 43.Bxh5 gxh5 44.Rh7 Neg4 45.Rxh5 Ne4 46.Rh7 Ngf6 47.Rxa7 Kf5 48.Rb7 Kxf4 ½-½

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 06:14 PM
[Event "36th Olympiad Calvia ESP"]
[Date "2004.10.17"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Granda Zuniga,J"]
[Black "Khamdamov,S "]
[Result "0-1"]

1.d4 g6 2.e4 Bg7 3.Bc4 d6 4.Qf3 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Nge2 e5 7.d5 Nd4 8.Qd3 0-0 9.Bg5 h6 10.Bxf6 Qxf6 11.Nxd4 exd4 12.Ne2 c5 13.dxc6 bxc6 14.0-0 Rb8 15.Bb3 Rb6 0-1

Garvinator
21-10-2004, 06:20 PM
ok why did Granda resign at move 16?

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 06:21 PM
The moves and position are correct according to Bulletin #3 and the pgn on the official site.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 06:31 PM
I'm not saying the moves are correct, just that I hadnt made an error in posting.
Also just noted where I got the information from.

Garvinator
21-10-2004, 06:33 PM
I'm not saying the moves are correct, just that I hadnt made an error in posting and where I got the information from.
i wasnt saying you had done something wrong. Just wondering if anyone knew if there was a story to his resignation.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 06:34 PM
i wasnt saying you had done something wrong. Just wondering if anyone knew if there was a story to his resignation.
I was just clarifying.

I believe the game is missing moves.

Garvinator
21-10-2004, 06:37 PM
I was just clarifying.

I believe the game is missing moves.
maybe God told him that it was time to resign :uhoh:

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 06:39 PM
maybe God told him that it was time to resign :uhoh:
Maybe he did something silly like touch the Black pawn on d4.
There really at this stage is no way to know.

JGB
21-10-2004, 07:16 PM
Or lost on time?

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 09:46 PM
Or lost on time?
Possibly but 16 moves would seem to be pushing it. ;)

WhiteElephant
22-10-2004, 01:06 AM
This may not be the right thread for this but I thought other coaches might be interested - I used Ian Rogers' game against Khamdamov as a lesson for my Grade 5s & 6s today.

It is a fantastic coaching game - shows the consequences of too many pawn moves in the opening, slow development, delayed castling, if black had taken on e6, there were all sorts of discovered and double check possibilities, and finally, decoying the c6 bishop with the pawns - great stuff. The kids loved the game.

arosar
22-10-2004, 09:28 AM
This may not be the right thread for this but I thought other coaches might be interested - I used Ian Rogers' game against Khamdamov as a lesson for my Grade 5s & 6s today.

If you want a good coaching game from GM Rogers, check out Bjelobrk - Rogers, Aus Championships 2004.

AR

Kevin Bonham
22-10-2004, 01:17 PM
This game was mentioned on the PNG thread. At the old Barbarians Chess Club down here destructive knight pairs like this were known as "the whirling helicopters of doom".

Shirov,A (2726) - Fressinet,L (2640) [D45]
Calvia ol (Men) Mallorca (Spain) (6.2), 20.10.2004

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Nf3 e6 5.e3 Nbd7 6.Qc2 Bd6 7.g4 dxc4 8.Bxc4 e5 9.Bd2 exd4 10.Nxd4 Ne5 11.Be2 Bxg4 12.f4 Ng6 13.Bxg4 Nxg4 14.Nf5 Nh4 15.Nxg7+ Kf8 16.0-0-0 Nf2 17.Ne4 Nxd1 18.Rxd1 Be7 19.f5 Qb6 20.f6 Bb4 21.Bxb4+ Qxb4 22.a3 Qa5 23.Nc5 h6 24.Nf5 Ng6 25.Nd7+ Kg8 26.Ne7+ Kh7 27.Nxg6 fxg6 28.Ne5 1-0

JGB
22-10-2004, 08:23 PM
I had not seen this game before. Shirov really does play beautiful chess (when it works for him).

JGB
23-10-2004, 12:45 AM
The games are currently underway in Spain although no results are as of yet available.

Men:
Bo. 45 Australia Rtg - 56 Belgium Rtg
1 GM Rogers Ian 2593 - GM Winants Luc 2519
2 GM Johansen Darryl K 2483 - IM Van Der Stricht Geert 2413
3 IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 - IM Van Beers Eddy 2383
4 IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410 - FM Laurent Bruno 2335

Women:
Bo. 35 Australia Rtg - 30 Argentina Rtg
1 IM Berezina Irina 2281 - WIM Lujan Carolina 2325
2 WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 - WIM Malajovich Sandra 2118
3 Eriksson Ingela S 2098 - WIM Justo Virginia 2285

JGB
23-10-2004, 12:56 AM
An important game is currently underway between two of the big guns in chess. The world champ is up against the best performing player of the tournament to date.

White Anand Viswanathan - INDIA
Black Ivanchuk Vassily - UKRAINE



Anand Viswanathan (2781) - Ivanchuk Vassily (2705)
Ajedrez21 www.ajedrez21.com, 22.10.2004


1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.d4 Nxe4 4.Bd3 d5 5.Nxe5 Nd7 6.Nxd7 Bxd7 7.0-0 Bd6 8.c4 c6 9.cxd5 cxd5 10.Nc3 Nxc3 11.bxc3 0-0 12.Qh5 g6 13.Qxd5 Qc7 14.c4 Be6 15.Qf3 Bxc4 16.Bh6 Rfe8 17.Rfc1 b5 18.g3 Rad8 19.a4 a6 20.Rab1 Bf8 21.Bf4 Qc8 22.Bxc4 bxc4 23.Be3 Bg7 24.Rb4 c3 25.a5 Rd7 26.Rc2 Qc7 27.Rb6 Bxd4 28.Bxd4 Rxd4 29.Rxc3 Rc4 30.Re3 Rxe3 31.Qxe3 Rc1+ 32.Kg2 Qc4 33.Qe8+ Kg7 34.Qe5+ Kh6 35.Qf4+ Qxf4 36.gxf4 Rc3 37.Rxa6 Ra3 38.f3 Kg7 39.Kg3 Ra4 40.f5 g5 draw



Game drawn

Garvinator
23-10-2004, 01:03 AM
James,
When doing pgn boards, you dont need to input the complete notation, just what would normally be written, ie d5.

JGB
23-10-2004, 01:08 AM
James,
When doing pgn boards, you dont need to input the complete notation, just what would normally be written, ie d5.

I am just copying and pasting from the official site, its easier for me.

Garvinator
23-10-2004, 01:12 AM
I am just copying and pasting from the official site, its easier for me.
fair enough then :D

Ian_Rogers
23-10-2004, 01:37 AM
Almost live again...

Rogers,I (2593) - Winants,L (2519) [C74]
Calvia Olympiad (7), 22.10.2004

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 d6 5.c3 f5 6.exf5 Bxf5 7.0-0 Bd3 8.Re1 Be7 9.Bc2 Bxc2 10.Qxc2 Nf6 11.d4 e4 12.Ng5 d5 13.f3 h6 14.Nh3 0-0 15.Nd2 exf3 16.Nxf3 Rf7 17.Nf4 Bd6 18.Ne6 Qd7 19.Bxh6 Ne4 20.Neg5 gxh6 21.Nxf7 Draw

I thought I was being original but in reality I was out-theoried today.
Darryl also drew. Solo is = and Yuan in some difficulties.

Ian

JGB
23-10-2004, 01:39 AM
Rogers,I (2593) - Winants,L (2519) [C74]
Calvia Olympiad (7), 22.10.2004

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 d6 5.c3 f5 6.exf5 Bxf5 7.0-0 Bd3 8.Re1 Be7 9.Bc2 Bxc2 10.Qxc2 Nf6 11.d4 e4 12.Ng5 d5 13.f3 h6 14.Nh3 0-0 15.Nd2 exf3 16.Nxf3 Rf7 17.Nf4 Bd6 18.Ne6 Qd7 19.Bxh6 Ne4 20.Neg5 gxh6 21.Nxf7 Draw

JGB
23-10-2004, 02:18 AM
2 - 2 Against Belguim

The Mens game against Belgium has ended in 4 draws.

Bo. 45 Australia Rtg - 56 Belgium Rtg 2 - 2
1 GM Rogers Ian 2593 - GM Winants Luc 2519 1/2
2 GM Johansen Darryl K 2483 - IM Van Der Stricht Geert 2413 1/2
3 IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 - IM Van Beers Eddy 2383 1/2
4 IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410 - FM Laurent Bruno 2335 1/2


...I will post information from the womens team when the site is functioning again.

Bill Gletsos
23-10-2004, 02:20 AM
Anand V Ivanchuk was drawn leaving Chucky with 6/7

Bill Gletsos
23-10-2004, 02:22 AM
2 - 2 Against Belguim

The Mens game against Belgium has ended in 4 draws.

Bo. 45 Australia Rtg - 56 Belgium Rtg 2 - 2
1 GM Rogers Ian 2593 - GM Winants Luc 2519 1/2
2 GM Johansen Darryl K 2483 - IM Van Der Stricht Geert 2413 1/2
3 IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 - IM Van Beers Eddy 2383 1/2
4 IM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2410 - FM Laurent Bruno 2335 1/2
Zhao was obviously able to overcome his difficulties.

JGB
23-10-2004, 03:50 AM
2-1 Win Over Argentina

The Womens team has beaten Argentina in fine form and Ingela Eriksson maintains her very good performance drawing with an opponent rated almost 200 point higher.

Bo. 35 Australia Rtg - 30 Argentina Rtg 2-1
1 IM Berezina Irina 2281 - WIM Lujan Carolina 2325 1/2
2 WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 - WIM Malajovich Sandra 2118 1-0
3 Eriksson Ingela S 2098 - WIM Justo Virginia 2285 1/2

Manuel
23-10-2004, 03:51 AM
Manuel here at the Olympiad. I will be posting a mid tournament report soon. Please feel free to ask any questions you wish and I will endeavour to try to answer them.

You already know the results from today. All matches were finished relatively early and Solo still has some chances of a GM norm. He still needs to play two more GMs so we had better start gathering some momentum soon!

Garvinator
23-10-2004, 02:21 PM
Manuel here at the Olympiad. I will be posting a mid tournament report soon. Please feel free to ask any questions you wish and I will endeavour to try to answer them.

You already know the results from today. All matches were finished relatively early and Solo still has some chances of a GM norm. He still needs to play two more GMs so we had better start gathering some momentum soon!
I would just like to know what your impressions have been about the olympiad and also how do you think we are doing at the olympiad?

pax
23-10-2004, 02:21 PM
I note that Khamdamov beat another IM in rd 7. And Russia look to be in big trouble after losing to Bulgaria (minus Topalov).

In Rd 8, Australia have Turkey (men), and Latvia (women). The latter is on board 13 - does that mean it's covered live?

Turkey team:

1 IM Haznedaroglu Kivanc 2394 TUR
2 IM Erdogdu Mert 2393 TUR
3 IM Yilmaz Turhan 2361 TUR
4 IM Atakisi Umut 2304 TUR
5 FM Erturan Yakup 2281 TUR
6 FM Karadeniz Emre 2310 TUR


Looks like they will play top four again. Boards 3 and 4 are on fire, with Rp's up around 2600.

Latvia:

1 WGM Reizniece Dana 2278 LAT
2 WGM Erneste Inguna 2310 LAT
3 WIM Rogule Laura 2295 LAT
4 WIM Berzina Ilze 2240 LAT

This will be a tough one for sure. Bd 4 is performing well with 4.5/6 and Rp of 2400.

pax
23-10-2004, 02:40 PM
I note from Juha's site that the player in the Men's Olympiad with the largest (positive) difference between performance rating and actual rating is a 14 year old girl from Hong Kong called Anya Corke. She's on 6/7 with a Pr of 2529.

That's the sort of thing that's really great about Olympiads..

Bill Gletsos
23-10-2004, 03:27 PM
I note from Juha's site that the player in the Men's Olympiad with the largest (positive) difference between performance rating and actual rating is a 14 year old girl from Hong Kong called Anya Corke. She's on 6/7 with a Pr of 2529.

That's the sort of thing that's really great about Olympiads..
Also Ingela is number 7 in the womens list with a performance of 2357 which is 259 above her rating.

Ian Rout
23-10-2004, 04:46 PM
I note that Khamdamov beat another IM in rd 7. And Russia look to be in big trouble after losing to Bulgaria (minus Topalov).

In Rd 8, Australia have Turkey (men), and Latvia (women). The latter is on board 13 - does that mean it's covered live?

Turkey team:

1 IM Haznedaroglu Kivanc 2394 TUR
2 IM Erdogdu Mert 2393 TUR
3 IM Yilmaz Turhan 2361 TUR
4 IM Atakisi Umut 2304 TUR
5 FM Erturan Yakup 2281 TUR
6 FM Karadeniz Emre 2310 TUR


Looks like they will play top four again. Boards 3 and 4 are on fire, with Rp's up around 2600.
Perhaps they might play their bottom four, to give Yilmaz and Atakasi's norm chances a kick along?

Kevin Bonham
23-10-2004, 06:42 PM
In Rd 8, Australia have Turkey (men), and Latvia (women). The latter is on board 13 - does that mean it's covered live?

It seems that in previous rounds they have only been covering the top five Women's matches plus the matches involving Spain A and Spain B.

Kevin Bonham
23-10-2004, 06:59 PM
I'm surprised no-one has posted this game yet, this being our biggest scalp so far and all.

Looks like a very close tussle until White plays the what-was-he-thinking move 46.Bc5. Perhaps he was trying too hard to win and had not seen the endgame consequences.

Zhang,Z (2596) - Solomon,S (2435) [A07]
Calvia ol (Men) Mallorca (Spain) (4.17), 18.10.2004

1.Nf3 d5 2.g3 c6 3.Bg2 Bg4 4.0-0 Nd7 5.d3 Ngf6 6.Nbd2 e6 7.h3 Bh5 8.e4 dxe4 9.dxe4 Ne5 10.g4 Nxf3+ 11.Qxf3 Bg6 12.Qc3 Qb6 13.Nc4 Qb4 14.Qxb4 Bxb4 15.c3 Be7 16.Re1 Nd7 17.f4 f6 18.Be3 e5 19.f5 Bf7 20.Na5 0-0-0 21.b4 Kc7 22.Bf1 h5 23.Kg2 hxg4 24.hxg4 g6 25.Bc4 Bxc4 26.Nxc4 Rh4 27.Kf3 Rh3+ 28.Ke2 g5 29.Rh1 Rdh8 30.Rxh3 Rxh3 31.a4 b6 32.Nd2 a6 33.Nc4 Rh4 34.Kf3 Rh3+ 35.Kg2 Rh4 36.Kg3 Rh8 37.Bf2 Rh7 38.Kg2 Rh8 39.Ra2 Rh7 40.a5 b5 41.Nb6 c5 42.Nd5+ Kc6 43.Ra1 c4 44.Rd1 Bd8 45.Be3 Rh8 46.Bc5 Nxc5 47.bxc5 Kxc5 48.Nb4 Bxa5 49.Rd5+ Kb6 50.Rd6+ Kc7 51.Rxf6 Bxb4 52.cxb4 a5 53.Rf7+ Kd6 54.Rf6+ Ke7 55.Re6+ Kf7 56.Kf3 axb4 57.Ke2 Rh2+ 58.Ke3 b3 59.Rb6 c3 60.Rb7+ Ke8 61.Rb8+ Kd7 62.Rb7+ Kc6 0-1

Bill Gletsos
23-10-2004, 11:14 PM
Shirov V Anand tonight should be interesting.

skip to my lou
23-10-2004, 11:22 PM
Shirov V Anand tonight should be interesting.
Is there a HTTP live display?

Bill Gletsos
23-10-2004, 11:24 PM
Is there a HTTP live display?
You can get to it via http://www.ajedrez21.com/calvia2004/

skip to my lou
23-10-2004, 11:27 PM
You can get to it via http://www.ajedrez21.com/calvia2004/
Thanks

skip to my lou
23-10-2004, 11:59 PM
Stuck on BxB for a while now.

Bill Gletsos
24-10-2004, 12:24 AM
Black just played 17. Bf7 which appears to be the first new move of the game. Previously 17. c6 had been played.

skip to my lou
24-10-2004, 01:05 AM
Hmm, draw :(

JGB
24-10-2004, 01:35 AM
I see chessbase is covering the olympics as well, with the new Chessbase advertisement shown on the Official olympic site.

I have not checked it out as of yet, how is it?

edit: I am having troubles with the official sites games page, is it possible that 'only' chessbase is hosting the games now?

Rhubarb
24-10-2004, 01:55 AM
Looks like a very close tussle until White plays the what-was-he-thinking move 46.Bc5. Perhaps he was trying too hard to win and had not seen the endgame consequences.
I don't know if it was much of a tussle. Zhang had a slight advantage all the way through, but by move 46, Solo was pretty well holding it. The what-was-he-thinking move ... well I can but guess.

shaun
24-10-2004, 03:27 AM
Australia 2.5 - 1.5 over Turkey.
Smerdon won, Lane lost, Rogers drew a better ending, while Solomon pulled off one of the greatest come from behind wins ever, when he went from being a piece down and defending to racking up the point.

Rhubarb
24-10-2004, 03:33 AM
Go Solomon!! :banana: :banana: ... well done to the banana-benders.

JGB
24-10-2004, 04:16 AM
Round 8 News:

Men

Turkey - Australia : 1.5-2.5
1 IM Haznedaroglu Kivanc 2394 - GM Rogers Ian 2593 1/2
2 IM Erdogdu Mert 2393 - IM Lane Gary W 2442 1-0
3 IM Yilmaz Turhan 2361 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2435 0-1
4 IM Atakisi Umut 2304 - IM Smerdon David 2425 0-1

Isn't Stephen Solomon having a great tournament. :clap:

Women

Australia - Latvia : 1-2
1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2250 - WGM Reizniece Dana 2278 0-1
2 WIM Sorokina Anastasia 2199 - WGM Erneste Inguna 2310 1-0
3 Eriksson Ingela S 2098 - WIM Berzina Ilze 2240 0-1

JGB
24-10-2004, 04:57 AM
As much as I would love to present a game played by Australian in the eight round, it is not possible as we don't have access to the games as of yet. Instead I would like to show a game I found interesting and well played by the young Morozevich instead; a very instructive Ruy Lopez.

[Date "2004.10.23"]
[White "Morozevich, Alexander"]
[Black "Akopian, Vladimir"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bb5 a6 4. Ba4 Nf6 5. d3 d6 6. c3 g6 7. Nbd2 Bg7 8. O-O
O-O 9. Re1 b5 10. Bc2 d5 11. a4 Rb8 12. b4 dxe4 13. dxe4 Nh5 14. Nb3 Nf4 15.
Be3 Qf6 16. Bxf4 exf4 17. e5 Qe7 18. Nbd4 Nxd4 19. Nxd4 Bb7 20. axb5 axb5 21.
Ra7 Rfe8 22. Bb3 Bxe5 23. Rxb7 Rxb7 24. Nc6 Qd6 25. Qd5 Qxd5 26. Bxd5 Kg7 27.
Kf1 Rb6 28. Nxe5 Ra6 29. Nc6 Rxe1+ 30. Kxe1 Ra1+ 31. Ke2 Rc1 32. Nd4 Rxc3 33.
Kd2 Ra3 34. Nxb5 Ra4 35. Kc3 Ra1 36. Kb2 Rf1 37. Nxc7 Rxf2+ 38. Kb3 Rf1 39. b5
g5 40. Kc2 g4 41. b6 f3 42. b7 f2 43. Bc4 1-0

Rhubarb
24-10-2004, 05:19 AM
James, I was following this game as well, and a nice win to Morozevich.

I said on the Kramnik-Leko thread that K's play has been an insult to the accumulated knowledge of the Spanish Game, and I stand by that.

I think that Morozevich is very skilful in finding shortcuts, such that he can make even 2600-type players look like gooses in the Closed Spanish.

But more to the point, Morozevich can outplay people of his own rating (and even slightly above, and certainly anyone below) by "de-theorising" the position. But also for this reason, he's not such a serious contender against Kasparov or Anand, (maybe even Kramnik, Leko) who will always find ways to get a serious advantage.

Garvinator
24-10-2004, 06:02 AM
Does anyone think that teams consult with each other before matches in the last couple of rounds to try and arrange the best possible pairings to help with achieving fide norms?

eclectic
24-10-2004, 06:09 AM
Does anyone think that teams consult with each other before matches in the last couple of rounds to try and arrange the best possible pairings to help with achieving fide norms?

i would think "technically" they can't but ....

round 9

men v Kyrgystan

women v Romania

eclectic

pax
24-10-2004, 08:38 AM
Kyrgystan:

1 IM Moldobaev Emelbek 2388 KGZ 2454
2 IM Zilberman Nathan R 2338 KGZ 2274
3 FM Ilinsky Vladimir 2331 KGZ
4 Shukuraliev Algis 2248 KGZ
5 Turpanov Milan 2307 KGZ

Another Bd 5 performing at over 2600..

Romania:

1 IM Foisor Cristina Adela 2436 ROM
2 IM Peptan Corina-Isabela 2429 ROM
3 WGM Olarasu Gabriela 2325 ROM
4 WFM Motoc Alina 2359 ROM


That's a super tough match up for the women. Peptan is on fire, with Rp over 2600. The others are not playing so well.

Alas for my dream match up, USA beat Azerbaijan in Rd 8..

Looks like Ukraine have finally figured out Karjakin is a winner on board 4 (he's played the last three after not playing rds 2-5). Ukraine have lost only one game so far. All six players are performing well in excess of their ratings. With a full three point lead over Russia, they are going to be very hard to catch..

Rincewind
24-10-2004, 10:04 AM
Go Solomon!! :banana: :banana: ... well done to the banana-benders.

Haven't one of the banana-benders turned Mexican? Maybe we need a dancing banana with a blue face in a sombrero and poncho animated gif. ;)

eclectic
24-10-2004, 10:11 AM
Haven't one of the banana-benders turned Mexican? Maybe we need a dancing banana with a blue face in a sombrero and poncho animated gif. ;)

hmm,

not sure on that

if you mean who i think you mean then perhaps he has dual "citizenship" depending on how residency requirements are interpreted for certain events

;)

eclectic

ursogr8
24-10-2004, 10:21 AM
Haven't one of the banana-benders turned Mexican? Maybe we need a dancing banana with a blue face in a sombrero and poncho animated gif. ;)

Baz

From post #1 on the Box Hill ARCHIVES thread >>

Probably the best known player to get a start at Box Hill was IM Stephen Solomon whose first major success was a victory at the Australian Junior in 1980 although no longer a member at that stage.

starter

antichrist
24-10-2004, 01:59 PM
[QUOTE=JGB]An important game is currently underway between two of the big guns in chess. The world champ is up against the best performing player of the tournament to date.

White Anand Viswanathan - INDIA
Black Ivanchuk Vassily - UKRAINE

I played Ivanchuk's uncle in the Ukrainain Chess Club championships about five years ago. I don't think I had ever beaten him in about 20 years. I really wanted to win the comp so went and studied Sicilian for two weeks (had never played it before) and managed to beat him and win comp.
He got diabetes, had legs amputated and died shortly after. He insisted on smoking heavily to the very end.

Bill Gletsos
24-10-2004, 02:08 PM
An important game is currently underway between two of the big guns in chess. The world champ is up against the best performing player of the tournament to date.

White Anand Viswanathan - INDIA
Black Ivanchuk Vassily - UKRAINE
By what defintion do you claim Anand as the world champ?

eclectic
24-10-2004, 02:32 PM
By what defintion do you claim Anand as the world champ?

perhaps JGB has been busy gazing into a crystal ball at someone who is fortuitously out of the present reunification cycle yet is still lying in wait to challenge and defeat either K, K or K ...

:)

eclectic

ps can someone give a/c a lesson on how to use [/QUOTE]?

Bill Gletsos
24-10-2004, 04:30 PM
ps can someone give a/c a lesson on how to use [\QUOTE]?
He seems beyond hope.
Although I will note that he has occasionally managed to fluke it.

JGB
24-10-2004, 05:02 PM
By what defintion do you claim Anand as the world champ?

I don't, sorry sometimes I just write crap to hype things up. I read it later and thought will anyone see that?, aghhh and left it. (i think I mean world champ contender...perhaps? :wall: )

edit: anyway another world champ would not hurt, 'world champion' does not seem to mean as much in chess (or boxing and other sports) these days.

JGB
24-10-2004, 05:29 PM
In his aggresive style Smerdon plays without fear in the 6th round.

Ziyaev, Negmat (Tajikistan) - Smerdon, David (Australia)
36th Chess Olympiad, 2004.10.20


1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 c5 3.d5 e6 4.Nc3 b5 5.dxe6 fxe6 6.Bg5 b4 7.Ne4 d5 8.Nxf6+ gxf6 9.Bh4 Be7 10.e4 dxe4 11.Nd2 Qd5 12.Bc4 Qf5 13.Qe2 Nc6 14.Bb5 Bb7 15.Nxe4 0-0-0 16.c3 Rhg8 17.Bg3 Ne5 18.Ba6 c4 19.Bxb7+ Kxb7 20.0-0 Nd3 21.cxb4 h5 22.Nc5+ Bxc5 23.bxc5 h4 24.Bxh4 Rxg2+ 25.Kh1 Qd5 26.Qe3 Rxf2+ Line

Bill Gletsos
24-10-2004, 05:31 PM
I don't, sorry sometimes I just write crap to hype things up. I read it later and thought will anyone see that?, aghhh and left it. (i think I mean world champ contender...perhaps? :wall: )

edit: anyway another world champ would not hurt, 'world champion' does not seem to mean as much in chess (or boxing and other sports) these days.
Well he was the FIDE World Champion prior to Ponomariov.

Manuel
24-10-2004, 07:31 PM
In response to GG the Olympiad is a true festival of chess. Just walking around seeing many well known players is a treat for an Aussie chessplayer.

One amusing highlight would be David Smerdon at his first Olympiad joining me and some other players chatting. He started a conversation with one of them, talking about his impressions of his first Olympiad. They shared some observations about the people here in a very amicable way. Finally David introduced himself, the stranger said his name was Viktor. David then asked for his full name and Victor said Bologan! David blurted something out like, "Viktor Bologan! But you are one my heroes!"

The team is in good spirits although Gary is disappointed with his games. He has had many promising positions but the time control does not suit him. In many ways the quality of chess is much lower here then in previous Olympiads. Bled was the first to use the 90:30 time control. Yesterday it suited Stephen as he was in a clearly lost positon but Australians should be used to Stephen having great faith in finding a way out of anything. The flip side is that Ian had a winning rook ending where he played a couple of second best moves and he drew. I must admit to not being a fan of the time control and hope that eventually it will get reverted back to something more sensible in future Olympiads.

Please feel free to continue asking questions about the Aussie team or the Olympiad in general.

Kevin Bonham
24-10-2004, 09:39 PM
I was hoping to dig up some games from last night (I just have to see the Solo swindle :lol: ) but the official site has nothing after round six. This is poor.

Both teams are currently placed marginally above seeding. Interesting that despite that, the Open team drew a team seeded 76th while the Women drew a team seeded 10th.

Bill Gletsos
24-10-2004, 11:40 PM
I see where Azerbaijan V Philippines is being shown live with Radjabov V Torre on board 1. That should interest AR.

JGB
24-10-2004, 11:49 PM
Anand is currently playing against Morozevich and it has turned into a real battle.

[White "Anand, Vishy - INDIA"]
[Black "Morozevich, Alexander - RUSSIA"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 a6 3. c4 e6 4. Nc3 Qc7 5. d4 cxd4 6. Nxd4 Nf6 7. a3 b6 8. Be3
Bb7 9. f3 Nc6 10. Be2 Ne5 11. Na4 Rb8 12. Rc1 Be7 13. b4 d6 14. O-O O-O
15. Qd2 Ba8 16. Nb3 Kh8 17. Rfd1 Rg8 18. Bd4 Ned7 19. Qe3 Qc6 20. Nb2 e5 21.
Bc3 g5 22. h3 h5 23. Nd3 g4 24. hxg4 hxg4 25. c5 gxf3 26. Bxf3 bxc5 27. Na5 Qb5
28. a4 Qxa4 29. bxc5 Ng4 30. Qe2 Ndf6 31. Ra1 Qb5 32. Rd2 Rbc8 33. Rb2 Qd7 34.
Nc4 Qe6 35. Nb6 dxc5 36. Nxc8 Rxc8 37. Nf4 Qd7 38. Rd2 Qa7 39. Rxa6 Qb7 40.
Bxg4 Nxg4 41. Qxg4 Qxa6 42. Bxe5+ f6 43. Ng6+ Kh7 44. Nxe7 fxe5 45. Nxc8 1-0

Game updated regularly!

Time:
Anand = 18 mins
Morozevich = 30 sec (according to chessbase)

JGB
25-10-2004, 01:20 AM
Moro is playing for the win against Anand. It is turning into a real fight after 22...h5

JGB
25-10-2004, 01:38 AM
After 25.c5 I think Anand has it wrapped up, there are just too many threats for Black to deal with, including 26.Kf2!