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shaun
13-10-2004, 03:55 PM
Just thought I'd kick off the Olympiad diaires with the Papua New Guinea's effort. Posting this from Sydney Airport and not looking forward to the next 30 hours in transit.
As for the Olympiad, the first controversy is the plan to charge each player a 100 euro "registration" fee on arrival. I'll be interested to see which teams refuse to pay (Russia, Hungary anyone).
I will provide more detail after my arrival in Spain.

shaun
16-10-2004, 01:47 AM
The PNG team has made it to the tournament, well at least half of the team. Visa problems have strabded two of our members back in Port Moresby and it is unlikely they will make it at all. Our other reserve player is here at the event, but FIDE are deciding whether he is eligible to play for us, and how much money it will costs us to register him.
As for the tournament the 2004 Olympiad has combined the problems of the 2002 venue (overcrowding etc) with the problems of the 2000 host city (distant venue, expensive prices etc) leaving me with a poor first impression. The tournament schedule is also causing a degree of concern, with the second rest day being scheduled for after the final round! Attempts by the team captains to get this changed came to nought.
As mentioned in another post it seems that there will be restricted live coverage from the tournament. Whether this results in dalays to bulletins, electronic game records etc remains to be seen.

Garvinator
16-10-2004, 01:51 AM
The tournament schedule is also causing a degree of concern, with the second rest day being scheduled for after the final round!
now why hadnt we considered that option for mt buller ;) :lol: :uhoh:

shaun
17-10-2004, 03:27 AM
Round 2 got underway with some good news. We found a 4th player. Rupert Jones was born in PNG (like myself), and was here at the event as part of the BCF team. While we had always counted on Rupert playing for us his previous appearances for Botswana did throw a spanner in the works. At this stage FIDE havenīt hit us up with a multi million dollar transfer fee, but you never know.
As for the chess we played Guatamala. Being outrated on all boards meant we were in for another beating and so it turned out. Stuart Fancy was always in trouble from the opening, while Craid Skehan played solidly but got hacked at the end. Rupert Jones went down in a game that could have gone either way, while I managed a draw after standing worse for most of the game. I dug in after getting the worst of the middle game and built a pretty solid endgame fortress. My opponent overpressed and assuming I was dead, missed me winning one of his pawns. Of course the īchicken factorī kicked in and I offered a draw, which he was happy to accept.
So 3.5-0.5 to Guatamala but at least we are on the score board!

Garvinator
17-10-2004, 03:35 AM
Round 2 got underway with some good news. We found a 4th player. Rupert Jones was born in PNG (like myself), and was here at the event as part of the BCF team. While we had always counted on Rupert playing for us his previous appearances for Botswana did throw a spanner in the works. At this stage FIDE havenīt hit us up with a multi million dollar transfer fee, but you never know.
As for the chess we played Guatamala. Being outrated on all boards meant we were in for another beating and so it turned out. Stuart Fancy was always in trouble from the opening, while Craid Skehan played solidly but got hacked at the end. Rupert Jones went down in a game that could have gone either way, while I managed a draw after standing worse for most of the game. I dug in after getting the worst of the middle game and built a pretty solid endgame fortress. My opponent overpressed and assuming I was dead, missed me winning one of his pawns. Of course the īchicken factorī kicked in and I offered a draw, which he was happy to accept.
So 3.5-0.5 to Guatamala but at least we are on the score board!

Hello Shaun,

Have your impressions of how things are being run improved since your last report?

shaun
17-10-2004, 03:45 AM
Not really, but I think both organisers and players are drifting towards the same level of "acceptable service". The organisers will do things better once they get into the swing of things, while the players accept that it wonīt get that much better.

shaun
18-10-2004, 03:07 AM
Spectacular win for PNG today. We played Surinam, who were seeded ahead of us and who had managed to take half a point from Argentina in Rd 1. They rested a couple of gun players but still fielded a couple of 2200 rated players. My opponent gifted me a piece on move 8, but then I had to find my way through the mess to bring home the point. Rupert Jones knew more Petroff theory than his opponent to first win some pawns, and then the ending. Craig Skehan was ground down on Bd 3, while Stuart Fancy went from worse to better before agreeing to a draw to give us a 2.5-1.5 win. The result is doubly good as they beat us 3-1 in Bled, and it is the earliest weīve won a match in the last couple of Olympiads. Of course we will have to play someone quite hard tommorrow, but we will enjoy it while we can.

shaun
18-10-2004, 04:10 PM
My round 1 game against IM Arthur Abolianin from Belgium

1. d4 g6 2. c4 Bg7 3. Nc3 c5 4. Nf3 cxd4 5. Nxd4 Nc6 6. Nxc6 bxc6 7. Qc2 Nf6 8. e4 O-O 9. Be2 d5 10. exd5 cxd5 11. Bf3 Bf5 12. Qe2 d4 13. Nd5 Nxd5 14. Bxd5 Rc8 15. g4 d3 16. Qf3 d2 17. Bxd2 Bxb2 18. gxf5 Bxa1 19. Rg1 Qb6 20. fxg6 Qb1 21. Ke2 Qxg1 22. Bxf7 Kg7 23. Qh5 hxg6 24. Bh6 Kxf7 25. Qd5 e6 0-1

shaun
19-10-2004, 02:17 AM
Another good day for PNG in Rd 4. We were paired with Nepal, who had arrived 2 days late but had then beaten Macau in Rd 3 2.5-1.5. They had a few 2200 players, as do just about all teams these days, but we held them to a 2-2 draw. Stuart Fancy had a pretty easy draw on Bd 1 after an Exchange Lopez transposed into an exchange everything middlegame. On Bd 2 I finally pulled off a winning attack in the Marshall after years of sacing the pawn and getting nada for it. I donīt think anyone was more suprised as myself as my opponent began to crumble, and he resigned when faced with getting mated or losing his queen.
On Bd 3 Craig Skehan got a good position from the opening but seemed to set a 66% (ie gives his opponent the choice of 2 bad moves and 1 good move) but the opponent easily found the 33% chance and went on to win. Rupert Jones faced a scary looking attack on Bd 4 but the game was drawn as his opponent ran short of time.
So rather than drift down to bottom of the tournament we may end up getting another hard pairing tommorrow.

Rhubarb
19-10-2004, 02:25 AM
On Bd 2 I finally pulled off a winning attack in the Marshall
Well done Shaun. You were inspired by Leko no doubt?

shaun
19-10-2004, 02:33 AM
Rd 2 Press v Roberto Juarez Flores (Guatamala)

1.e4 g6 2.d4 Bg7 3.Nc3 d6 4.Be3 c6 5.Qd2 b5 6.Be2 Nf6 7.f3 Qa5 8.g4 h5 9.g5 Nfd7 10.f4 Nb6 11.Nf3 Bh3 12.Rg1 Nc4 13.Bxc4 bxc4 14.Ne2 Qxd2 15.Nxd2 d5 16.b3 cxb3 17.cxb3 Na6 18.a3 O-O 19. Rc1 Rfc8 20.b4 Bd7 21.Kf2 Nc7 22.e5 a5 23.Nb3 axb4 24.axb4 Ra2 25.Ra1 Rca8 26.Rxa2 Rxa2 27.Ra1 Rxa1 28.Nxa1 Na6 29.Bd2 e6 30.Nb3 Bf8 31.Nc5 Bc8 32.Nc1 Nc7 33.N1b3 Ba6 34.Na5 Bb5 35.Nd7 Na6 36.Nxf8 Kxf8 37.Nb7 Ke7 38.Nc5 Nc7 39.Ke3 Ne8 40.Nb7 Kd7 41.Be1 Kc7 42.Nc5 Ng7 43.Kd2 Nf5 44.Bf2 Bf1 45.Kc3 Ne7 46.Be3 Nc8 47.Bf2 Na7 48.Be3 Nb5 49.Kb2 Bc4 50.Bf2 Na7 51.Kc3 Kb6 52.Kb2 Kb5 53.Kc3 Nc8 54.Be3 Ne7 55.Nb7 Be2 56.Nd6 1/2

shaun
19-10-2004, 02:34 AM
Well done Shaun. You were inspired by Leko no doubt?
Confused by him most likely. Just wait until you see the game.

shaun
19-10-2004, 02:43 AM
Rd 3. Dewprakash Gajadin (Surinam) v Press (PNG)

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5! 5.b4!? Bb6?! 6.b5 Na5 7.Bxf7 Ke7 8.Nc3? h6 9.Nd5 Nxd5 10.Bxd5 hxg5 11.d4 Ke8 12.dxe5?! Qe7 13.Qf3 c6 14.bxc6 bxc6 15.Bb3 Nxb3 16.axb3 Qxe5 17.Ra4 d6 18.Bd2 g4 19.Qc3 Qxc3 20.Bxc3 Kf7 21.O-O Re8 22.Rd1 Re6 23.Rc4 Bb7 24.e5 dxe5 25.Rd7 Re7 26.Rxe7 Kxe7 27.Rxg4 Kf6 28.Rf4 Ke6 29.Re4 Bc7 30.f4? Kf5 31.Rb4 Bb6 32.Kh1 exf4 33.Bxg7 Rd8! 34.h3 Rd1 0-1

shaun
19-10-2004, 02:53 AM
Rd 4 Digesh Shankar Malla (Nepal) v Shaun Press (PNG)

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.O-O Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 O-O 8.c3 d5 9.exd5 Nxd5 10.Nxe5 Nxe5 11.Rxe5 c6 12.d4 Bd6 13.Re1 Qh4 14.g3 Qh3 15.Be3 Bg4 16.Qd3 Rae8 17.Nd2 f5 18.Qf1 Qh5 19.f4 Kh8 20.Bxd5 cxd5 21.a4 Re6 22.axb5 axb5 23.Qxb5 g5 24.Qxd5? Rh6 25.Qh1 gxf4 26.Bxf4 Bxf4 27.gxf4 Rg6 28.Kf2 Qh4 29.Ke3 Qh3 30.Nf3? Bxf3 31.Qxf3 Re8 0-1

shaun
20-10-2004, 03:07 AM
Another good day for PNG, but it could have beena great one. We played Kenya who had started the tournament well by looking to avenge a big loss to IBCA by pounding us 4 zip. Instead their Board 4 got crushed by Rupert Jones, while I went from having a good opening to a bad middlegame on Bd 2. However I was able to repeat the position 3 times for the draw.
Stuart Fancy went down on Board 1 after his kingside play as black in the Kings Indian wasn't as fast as his opponents queenside play, but the real drama was on Bd 3. Craig Skehan hadnīt really threatened the scorer for most of the tournament but today played very strongly, and went into a Q+R ending 4 pawns up. However he mistakenly thought his opponent had a stalemate trick, not realising there was still an safe square for the other guys king. He agreed to the draw before realising his error.
So 2-2 against Kenya isnīt bad but it could have been a very suprising victory instead. Currently we are on 7/20, having won match, drawn two and lost two.

Garvinator
20-10-2004, 11:37 AM
So 2-2 against Kenya isnīt bad but it could have been a very suprising victory instead. Currently we are on 7/20, having won match, drawn two and lost two.
how does 7/20 compare to your results two years ago?

arosar
20-10-2004, 02:34 PM
Hey Mr Press, I think maybe you covered this off before but how is it that you can play for PNG? You a PNG citizen or something?

AR

Garvinator
20-10-2004, 02:41 PM
Hey Mr Press, I think maybe you covered this off before but how is it that you can play for PNG? You a PNG citizen or something?

AR
Shaun was born in png.

antichrist
20-10-2004, 04:34 PM
Shaun
Only if you get a chance to check Casim Grapilion's record re representing PNG. thanks

shaun
20-10-2004, 08:10 PM
how does 7/20 compare to your results two years ago?
7/20 seems to be better than 2 years ago, although I cannot remember exactly how well we were doing. I think we are playing harder teams and have been on higher boards this time. We have Malta for this round which is a tough but not impossible pairing. We haven't really played any of the real bottom teams yet (assuming we aren't a bottom team ourselves) so even if we have a tough run in the middle rounds we may still get an easier finish.
And yes, my eligibility is based on being born in PNG in 1966 while my father was posted up there by the Australian Army. I did ask a number of years ago (well before the idea of playing in the Olympiad came up) about whether I could get a PNG passport but they said no. Becoming a citizen is quite tough. Our Bd 1 Stuart Fancy has lived there for over 20 years but they knocked back his application a few years ago.

shaun
21-10-2004, 02:48 AM
Not quite live - my game from round 5

Shaun Press (PNG) - John Mukabi (Kenya)
1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nf6 3.cxd5 Nxd5 4.Nf3 g6 5.e4 Nb6 6.Nc3 Bg7 7.h3 c6 8.Be2 Be6 9.O-O Bc4 10.Bxc4 Nxc4 11.Qe2 Nb6 12.Rd1 O-O 13.a4?? a5 14.Bf4 Na6 15.Rac1 Nb4 16.b3 e6 17.Qe3 Re8 18.Bg5?! f6 19.Bh4 g5 20.Bg3 h6 21.Qd2 Rc8 22.Na2 Nxa2 23.Qxa2 f5 24.exf5 exf5 25.Be5 Nd5 26.Qc2! Qd7 27.Bxg7 Kxg7 28.Ne5 Qe6 29.Re1 Qf6 30.Nd7 Qf7 31.Ne5 Qf6 32.Nd7 Qf7 33.Ne5 Qf6 1/2

Rhubarb
21-10-2004, 02:56 AM
Yes 13.a4's a real lemon - maybe 13.b4 gives you a large advantage?

What's the situation with the rest of PNG? And Australia?

shaun
21-10-2004, 02:57 AM
And almost live, my Round 6 game

Andy Borg (Malta) - Shaun Press (PNG)
1.c4 Nf6 2.Nc3 g6 3.e4 d6 4.d4 Bg7 5.f4! O-O 6.Nf3 c5 7.dxc5 dxc5 8.Bd3 Nc6 9.e5 Ne8 10.O-O Nb4? 11.Be4 Qxd1 12.Rxd1 f5?! 13.Bb1 Nc7 14.a3 Nc6 15.Nd5 Ne6 16.Be3 b6 17.Bc2 Kf7 18.b4 g5 19.Bxf5 gxf4 20.Bxe6+ Bxe6 21.Ng5+ Kg6 22.Nxe6 fxe3 23.Nxf8+ Rxf8 24.Rf1 Rxf1 25.Kxf1 Nxe5 26.Rc1 Nd3 27.Rc2 Bd4 28.Ke2 Ne5 29.Nxe7+ Kg5 30.Nd5 Ng6 31.Nxe3 Nf4+ 32.Kd2 h5 33.g3 Ng6 34.Kd3 h4 35.gxh4 Nxh4 36.Ke4 1-0

shaun
21-10-2004, 02:59 AM
Yes 13.a4's a real lemon - maybe 13.b4 gives you a large advantage?

What's the situation with the rest of PNG? And Australia?

PNG are down 3-0 to Malta at the moment but out Bd 4 was better when I last saw.
Ian won and Gary Lane lost and again I donīt know the other results.
One of the problems is that once a players game has finished they have to leave the playing area and are not allowed back in, so you cannot see how the rest of your team is doing, unless you are playing on the DGT boards.

Rhubarb
21-10-2004, 03:05 AM
PNG are down 3-0 to Malta at the moment but out Bd 4 was better when I last saw.
Ian won and Gary Lane lost and again I donīt know the other results.
One of the problems is that once a players game has finished they have to leave the playing area and are not allowed back in, so you cannot see how the rest of your team is doing, unless you are playing on the DGT boards.
Thanks. They really will expel players after they're finished, so the playing hall just isn't big enough? What if you tried just sitting at your board?

shaun
21-10-2004, 03:07 AM
You have a little card that entitles you to stay in the hall when you are playing. When you sign the scoresheets the arbiter swoops down and takes the card off you. If you are caught in the hall with a player pass but no card for that day they can confiscate your acreditation for 24 hours.

shaun
21-10-2004, 03:15 AM
PNG have been functioning as a dream pairing for our opponents over the last few rounds. Today it was Maltaīs turn to play us, and for them the dream almost came true. Malta fielded a solid 2100+ team, except for their Bd 4 (who still outrates me btw). I went down on Bd 2 horribly, as the above game demonstrates. Craig Skehan got outplayed on Bd 3, so no heroics like yesterday. On Bd 1 Stuart Fancy offered an early draw, which was refused, and then the game got pretty messy. At some stage his opponent then offered a draw, which Stuart refused. Despite Stuart having the good looking attack his opponent defended well and won. Our only point came on Bd 4 where Rupert Jones again stepped up and was a pawn up when I left the playing hall. He coverted this into a win to leave the result Malta 3 - PNG 1.
We move gently along to 8 points, and hopefully a kinder pairing awaits us after tommorrows rest day.

auriga
21-10-2004, 03:16 AM
Thanks. They really will expel players after they're finished, so the playing hall just isn't big enough? What if you tried just sitting at your board?

supposedly korchnoi sat there for 20mins after his quick loss to morozevich.
maybe you should try sitting at the board 30mins or more analysing your game but get up for break. but they may think youre nuts and expel you anyway...

btw. i watching the games in spain as a spectator and listening to the commentary. they really are funny. they are in both spanish and english
but tend to focus mainly on the spanish team which is not so bad because shirovs game always great fun. todays game against fressinet was so good it supposedly will be in his upcoming book fire on board volume 3..

Rhubarb
21-10-2004, 03:40 AM
supposedly korchnoi sat there for 20mins after his quick loss to morozevich.

:) I can just imagine some over-zealous functionary trying to eject the great Victor after he's lost in 13 moves.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 12:24 PM
:) I can just imagine some over-zealous functionary trying to eject the great Victor after he's lost in 13 moves.
It could be worse.
Imagine trying to eject Gazza especially if it was after he lost a game and worse still to some "tourist". :lol:

Rincewind
21-10-2004, 01:59 PM
It could be worse.
Imagine trying to eject Gazza especially if it was after he lost a game and worse still to some "tourist". :lol:

With Gazza there doesn't seem to be a problem as he usually doesn't "hang around" after such loses.

Bill Gletsos
21-10-2004, 02:02 PM
With Gazza there doesn't seem to be a problem as he usually doesn't "hang around" after such loses.
True, that does appear to be the case.
My comment was of course just a hypothetical as opposed to any dreaded ill-informed speculation. ;)

shaun
23-10-2004, 02:55 AM
A bad day for PNG today. We got walloped 3.5-0.5 by Trinidad and Tobago. Stuart Fancy got pasted on Bd 1 in short order, while Craig Skehan dropped a pawn in the opening, following his usual script. However he thought enough of his position to offer a couple of draws, although what compensation he had for his opponents mating attack was somewhat unclear. Rupert Jones helped us avoid a complete whitewash by drawing on Bd 4 in a game where he was attacking from the word go.
Helped by Manuel Weeks I got such a good position out of the opening that I reached a point where I just didnīt want to move. But I did move, things happened and Iīll let you work out the rest (see following game).
So now we are on 8.5, only scoring 1.5/8 in the last two rounds. The back markers are strarting to catch, and overtake, us so me may get some happier pairings from here on in.

shaun
23-10-2004, 03:24 AM
Round 7

Shaun Press (PNG) - Mario Merritt (T&T)

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 g6 5.c4 Bg7 6.Be3 Nf6 7.Nc3 O-O 8.Be2 d6 9.Qd2 Bd7 10.f3 Nxd4 11.Bxd4 Bc6 12.Rac1 a5 13.b3 Nd7 14.Be3 Nc5 15.O-O Qb6 16.Nd5 Bxd5 17.cxd5 Rfc8 18.Rc4 Qd8 19.Rfc1 b6 20.Kf1 h5 21.R4c2 Be5 22.Bf4 Bxf4 23.Qxf4 Qe8 24.Qe3 b5 25.a3 b4 26.a4 Kh7 27.Bb5 Qf8 28.g4 hxg4 29.fxg4 Qh6 30.g5 Qg7 31.e5 Rh8 32.Rxc5 dxc5 33.Rxc5 Rhd8 34.Bc6 Rac8 35.Rxa5 e6 36.Ra7 exd5 37.e6 Qa1+ 38.Kg2 Qb2+ 39.Kh1 Qb1+ 40.Kg2 Qc2+ 41.Kg1 Qd1+ 42.Kg2 Qg4+ 43.Kh1 Rxc6 44.Rxf7+ Kg8 45.e7 Re8 46.Rf6 Rxf6 47.gxf6 Qe4+ 0-1

shaun
24-10-2004, 02:15 AM
Round 8
Edison Niyontegereje (Rwanda) v Shaun Press (PNG)
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.O-O Nxe4 5.Nxe5 Nxe5 6.Re1 d5 7.Bb3 Qh4 8.g3 Qf6 9.Qe2 Nf3+ 10.Kg2 Nxe1+ 11.Qxe1 Be6 (and after another 30 moves) 0-1

shaun
24-10-2004, 03:12 AM
As a reward for our big loss yesterday, PNG caught a dream pairing in the form of Rwanda. They have been a tricky team in the past but they have been doing badly this olympiad. Lunch time predictions were for a PNG 3-1 victory and this is exactly how it turned out.
Rupert Jones romped to 5 from 7 with a quick hack on Bd 4. His score is good enough to earn a 2200 FIDE rating (for scoring 50% or more at an Olympiad) and an outside chance at a medal. I also had a slightly longer win on Bd 2 to move back to 50% (4/8). I had hoped my opponent would have resigned early to enable us to escape the stifling heat in the sweatbox that is the playing hall, but instead he wanted to defend a rook v rooks ending.
On Bd 3 Craig Skehan got a good position using his favourite stonewall setup, but midful of the bagging he got yesterday for offering draws in lost positions, failed to sue for peace and blundered a couple of rooks. Stuart Fancy scored his first win of the tournament after going into an ending a pawn up and grinding down his opponent.
We now jump up to 11.5 points which moves us well clear of the bye and back amongst some dangerous teams. We may end up bouncing around for the next couple of rounds, although we are hoping that we avoid the really waek teams until the last few rounds and come home with the big finish.

shaun
25-10-2004, 03:24 AM
Namibia is always a tough pairing and our pre-game hope was between 1 and 1.5 points. The only thing in our favour was that Namibia had started the Olympiad with 5 points in the first 3 rounds (including a 2-2 against NZ where they even forfeited a board!) before slowing to a crawl. Maybe the wheels were going to keep coming off.
Staurat Fancy had a draw on Bd 1 in a game that looked like one giant trick. Of course if his opponent had seen an obvious check then Fancy would have popped a queen, but another draw on Bd 1 isnīt bad for us.
On board 2 I played a sharp line against the Qb6 sicilian but my opponent cleverly refused to castle into my attack. But when it looked like he was just winning he allowed be some tricks and I was able to liquidate into an ending where I had chances. However I failed to take the offered chances and possibly missed a draw, instead losing.
Craig Skehan seems to have written a new script, no longer blowing pawns in the opening. For the second game in a row he got a good position before cutting short the excitment by losing both rooks and the game.
Rupert Jones continued his demolition job on Bd 4 with another win, this time crowned by a Queen sac. He has now moved to 6/8 which according to FIDE regulations qualifies him for a FIDE master title.
After 9 round PNG is on 13 points which I think is ahead of where we were 2 years ago. With 5 rounds to go me are in with a chance of matching or even beating the 21.5 points we scored in Bled.

Bill Gletsos
25-10-2004, 01:10 PM
He has now moved to 6/8 which according to FIDE regulations qualifies him for a FIDE master title.
Correct because although it requires a minimum of 9 games he still has the necessary 66.66% even if he loses his 9th game. Of course if he drops below that percentage by the end of the olympiad does he still get it?

shaun
25-10-2004, 07:24 PM
Correct because although it requires a minimum of 9 games he still has the necessary 66.66% even if he loses his 9th game. Of course if he drops below that percentage by the end of the olympiad does he still get it?

Yes, because the regulations allow you to "freeze" a result by ignoring subsequent rounds after it has been achieved.
The 66% FM title is new at this Olympiad (1 olympiad too late for me), but they have dropped the 50% 2200 rating section from the regulations, so Rupert may end up as an unrated FM, as he hasn't played enough Fide rated players at the moment to earn a rating.

Kevin Bonham
25-10-2004, 09:22 PM
The 66% FM title is new at this Olympiad (1 olympiad too late for me), but they have dropped the 50% 2200 rating section from the regulations, so Rupert may end up as an unrated FM, as he hasn't played enough Fide rated players at the moment to earn a rating.

What a bizarre possibility. Are there many (or any) other FIDE-unrated but FIDE-titled players out there?

george
25-10-2004, 09:50 PM
Yes bizarre but good luck to him - by the way Shaun good luck to PNG and tell Stuart he still owes me a beer from Bled - better still Shaun why not you get it from him on my behalf - enjoy.

George Howard

JGB
25-10-2004, 09:56 PM
What a bizarre possibility. Are there many (or any) other FIDE-unrated but FIDE-titled players out there?

Thinking the same thing... :hmm:

I can imagine a conversation...
...'yeah I am a master'
...'oh whats your rating?'
...'I don't have one'
...'oh lovely a master, who has played in 1 tournament' :clap:

Bill Gletsos
26-10-2004, 12:10 AM
What a bizarre possibility. Are there many (or any) other FIDE-unrated but FIDE-titled players out there?
Check out http://www.fide.com/official/utp.phtml.

I think it is currently out of date, so for some it may no longer be true but was no doubt correct at some point.

Kevin Bonham
26-10-2004, 01:01 AM
Wow, there's quite a few of them. Cathy Rogers either is or was a FIDE-unrated WFM. I never knew that.

Just imagine beating IM Ashrat. No ratings points for beating an International Master. :eek:

Bill Gletsos
26-10-2004, 01:21 AM
Wow, there's quite a few of them. Cathy Rogers either is or was a FIDE-unrated WFM. I never knew that.
She was rated 2070 back in July 1990 but dropped below 2000 in Jan 1993 (I think) and dispappered from the list.

shaun
26-10-2004, 02:05 AM
Nigeria have been one of the stronger African teams at previous olympiads, but here in Clavia they are half the team they were, literally. For reasons I know not, they only have 3 players on deck, allowing PNG to get off to a flying start after an hour. The score increased to 1.5 after a took a "chicken" draw in less than 20 moves, while Craig Skehan played solidly to lose on Bd 3. The only remaining match was on Board 1 where Stuart Fancy held a draw against his 2300 rated opponent.
With 4 rounds to go the PNG strategy is to cruise along scoring 1.5 or 2 points a match and hope to get an easy pairing in the last 2 rounds. Todays 2-2 result fits in well with this plan, although some may say it was half a point too much. We will see how succesful this plan is when we find out tommorrows draw.

shaun
27-10-2004, 01:07 AM
Round 11

Shaun Press (PNG) - Anthony Fulton (Jersey)
1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Nc3 e5 4.Bc4 d6 5.d3 Bg4 6.h3 Bh5 7.Nxe5 Nxe5 8.Qxh5 Nxc4 9.dxc4 Nf6 10.Qf3 Be7 11.O-O O-O 12.Bf4 Qb6 13.b3 Rfe8 14.Rad1 Rad8 15.Rd3 Bf8 16.Bg5 Nd7 17.Bxd8 Qxd8 18.Qg3 Ne5 19.Rd5 Re6 20.Rfd1 a6 21.Rxe5 1-0

shaun
27-10-2004, 01:58 AM
PNG 1.5 - Jersey 2.5
Keeping with our "donīt win by too much strategy" we scored a gentle 1.5 against one of our regular opponents, Jersey. I had an easy win on Bd 2 while Rupert Jones picked up another half point, when his opponent defended and defended and defended. Craig Skehan found an interesting novelty in the Scotch but after sacing a knight for two pawns found he didnīt have enough pieces to defend his king. Stuart Fancy went for the all or nothing attack and sadly came up with nothing.
We are now on 16.5 with 3 rounds to go. We are not keen to score the bye at this stage as we are banking on at least one heavy victory (3-1 at least) to finish out the tournament.

shaun
28-10-2004, 12:52 AM
Round 12
Shaun Press (PNG) - Manoj Kumar (Fiji)

1.d4 Nf6 2.Nf3 e6 3.Bg5 d5 4.e3 Nbd7 5.Bd3 c5 6.c3 Be7 7.Nbd2 b6 8.Qa4 O-O 9.Ne5 Nxe5 10.dxe5 Nd7 11.Qh4 h6 12.Bxe7 Qe8 13.Bxf8 Qxf8 14.f4 Bb7 15.Rg1 a6 16.g4 Qd8 17.g5 Nf8 18.Qh5 hxg5 19.Qxg5 Qxg5 20.Rxg5 g6 21.Kf2 Kg7 22.Rag1 Kh6 23.R5g3 b5 24.Nf3 Rd8 25.h4 d4 26.cxd4 Bxf3 27.Kxf3 cxd4 28.h5 dxe3 29.Kxe3 1-0

Rhubarb
28-10-2004, 01:18 AM
Manoj really collected the question marks from move 9. What was Norry's story this time for Fiji?

shaun
28-10-2004, 01:21 AM
Manoj really collected the question marks from move 9. What was Norry's story this time for Fiji?

They were very cagey when I asked. Just said "he wasnīt available". Obviously there is more reason than just that.

Rhubarb
28-10-2004, 01:41 AM
They were very cagey when I asked. Just said "he wasnīt available". Obviously there is more reason than just that.
thanks for asking anyway. :)

efficient win by you, btw, manoj normally isn't a goose.

shaun
28-10-2004, 02:32 AM
Round 12
PNG 2 - Fiji 2

Based on Fijiīs previous results this was dissapointing for us. We had hoped for a 3-1 win to jump us well clear of the bye. I had an easy win courtesy of some Manuel Weeks preparation, and Rupert Jones moved to 8.5(!) points with a crush on board 4. Craig Skehan held an outside hope of scoring something but seemed to be losing a pawn in the opening and lost a piece sometime after that. On Bd 1 Stuart Fancy had a position which was very lose for both sides but got beat, but I cannot tell you how as I wasnīt able to witness it.
We are now on 18.5, and are still trying to avoid the bye. Whteher we do depends on results from other matches.

shaun
29-10-2004, 02:02 AM
John Cummins (Guernsey) - Shaun Press (PNG)
1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 exd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nxc6 bxc6 6.Bd3 Bc5 7.Qf3 d5 8.Bg5 Be7 9.Nd2 h6 10.Bf4 Bg4 11.Qg3 Qd7 12.h3 Be6 13.Bxc7 1/2

shaun
29-10-2004, 02:04 AM
Not a real great game for me, but my opponent did have that "Iīm happy with a draw" look about him
After the game I was required to give a drug sample. I asked them for any evidence of my drug use, which they could not provide. So I refused the test.

Garvinator
29-10-2004, 02:06 AM
Not a real great game for me, but my opponent did have that "Iīm happy with a draw" look about him
After the game I was required to give a drug sample. I asked them for any evidence of my drug use, which they could not provide. So I refused the test.
depending on the regulations, you might be in trouble. In alot of sports, you are not allowed to refuse to take a drug test by approved drug test officials. Not sure what fide regulations are though.

Here are the regulations as far as I can tell. 2.3 is relevant here.

http://www.fide.com/news/download/Annexes/Annex%2034.pdf

JGB
29-10-2004, 02:08 AM
Someone might be in trouble... :uhoh:

shaun
29-10-2004, 02:11 AM
I know Iīm in trouble. The only question is how much trouble.

Garvinator
29-10-2004, 02:15 AM
I know Iīm in trouble. The only question is how much trouble.
if i read article 6 correctly, the penalty if found guilty for first violation is two years ineligibility.

Ian_Rogers
29-10-2004, 02:17 AM
Shaun,

Your captain is looking for you - can you come to the press room please? The head of testing would like you to read the regulations, which should have been shown to you at the time.

Ian

JGB
29-10-2004, 02:22 AM
Shaun,

Your captain is looking for you - can you come to the press room please? The head of testing would like you to read the regulations, which should have been shown to you at the time.

Ian


...he should get off on a legal technicality then :lol:

Bill Gletsos
29-10-2004, 02:25 AM
Perhaps this explains why Shaun's result is not yet posted on the web site.

Ian_Rogers
29-10-2004, 02:30 AM
Shaun is apparently to be given a second chance to take the test.

Ian

Jammmo
29-10-2004, 02:43 AM
drug test??

Jammmo
29-10-2004, 02:49 AM
shaun , - why not take the test?......principle?

Garvinator
29-10-2004, 02:51 AM
drug test??
players are drug tested at large events like olympiad, world championships, continental championships etc.

shaun
29-10-2004, 03:08 AM
shaun , - why not take the test?......principle?

Yes, principle.
If I had been asked at the start of the event to agree to be tested I probably would have done so, but no explicit permission was asked of me. In part I object to the reversal of proof, in which I am assumed to be guilty without evidence.

shaun
29-10-2004, 03:12 AM
As for the chess we went down to Guernsey 1.5-2.5. We drew on bds 1,2 & 4 and while Craig fought hard on Bd 3, he eventually lost. We move up to 20.0 points but unless other results go our way we may end up with the bye tommorrow and miss out on an easy pairing.
Whatever happens we have played a harder field than the previous 2 olympiads and performed better overall.

Garvinator
29-10-2004, 03:13 AM
Whatever happens we have played a harder field than the previous 2 olympiads and performed better overall.
:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: well done.

Jammmo
29-10-2004, 03:14 AM
shaun, r u still to take the test though?

shaun
29-10-2004, 03:17 AM
shaun, r u still to take the test though?
They did not formally ask me to take a second test, so as James has pointed out there is a big cloud over the legality of the whole procedure.

Jammmo
29-10-2004, 03:20 AM
whats a little weed anyway?

JGB
29-10-2004, 03:45 AM
whats a little weed anyway?
:D

:whistle:

:clap:

Bill Gletsos
29-10-2004, 04:29 PM
As for the chess we went down to Guernsey 1.5-2.5. We drew on bds 1,2 & 4 and while Craig fought hard on Bd 3, he eventually lost. We move up to 20.0 points but unless other results go our way we may end up with the bye tommorrow and miss out on an easy pairing.
Whatever happens we have played a harder field than the previous 2 olympiads and performed better overall.
Well you have avoided the bye and drawn the lowest ranked team US Virgin Islands in the last round. A 4-0 result would zoom you up the standings.

antichrist
29-10-2004, 05:11 PM
In the Olympics there is a controversy if the whole (maybe relay) team loses their medals/ratings if one person tests positive or refuses test. Your team may treat you as Sally Robbins!

eclectic
29-10-2004, 05:23 PM
what drugs do they test for at chess olympiads?

gingko biloba ?
gotu kola ?

??

:hmm:

eclectic

shaun
29-10-2004, 07:13 PM
They test for all the drugs on the IOC list of prohibited substances (steroids, HGH, etc etc)

boardumb
30-10-2004, 01:36 AM
They test for all the drugs on the IOC list of prohibited substances (steroids, HGH, etc etc)

they wouldn't want you to get so big and strong that you intimidate your opponents over the board...

shaun
30-10-2004, 02:34 AM
PNG defeated the US Virgin Islands 3-1 in the final round. Stuart Fancy had a quick win on board 1, while Rupert Jones moved his score to 9/12 (or 10/13 if you count his win on forfeit). Craig Skehan picked up his second draw of the tournament while I had a dissapointing draw after my opponent stodged the position.
Out final score was 23 points, which is a 1.5 points more than Bled and 4 points more than Istanbul. Where we finish depends on the results of the other matches but I guess our finishing position will be the best since we reentered the Olympiad in 2000.
Player Scores
Bd1 Stuart Fancy 4.5/14 +2=5-7
Bd2 Shaun Press 7.5/14 +5=5-4
Bd3 Craig Skehan 1.0/14 +0=2-12
Bd4 Alan Luga (Did not play)
Bd5 Rupert Jones 10/13 +8=4-1

shaun
31-10-2004, 03:01 AM
Results from my Drug Hearing

Official warning, all points I scored removed from myself and from the team.

The whole process was a stich up from the word go. We gave our evidence concerning the defficencies in the drug test, plus the invalidity of the drug testing process in its entirety. Apart from myself, Cathy Rogers and Roberto Ferrer (a Spanish lawyer specialising in privacy law), presented evidence.
Then the panel deliberated. The verdict was 3-2 in favour of the penalty. The dissenting members of the panel were the players representatives Jon Speelman and Sergei Dolmatov (Grandmasters both). One of the majority panel members was a player who I had defeated in the tournament.
When we left the hearing a friend of Roberto showed him the mornings copy of El Pais (the leading Spanish daily) where the punishment had already been announced by the head of the FIDE Medical Commision Jana Bellin. Of course here quote had been obtained the previous day. Jon Speelman later revealed that the panel did not discuss the circumstances of the tests at all, but instead simply assumed I was guilty and only discussed a suitable punishment.
He was most apologetic about the whole outcome when I spoke to him this evening.
Bobby Miller from Bermuda received an identical punishment, and an almost identical speech from the chair of the panel, which was very suprising, given the circumstances of his test were different from mine.

Garvinator
31-10-2004, 03:06 AM
Results from my Drug Hearing

Official warning, all points I scored removed from myself and from the team.

The whole process was a stich up from the word go. We gave our evidence concerning the defficencies in the drug test, plus the invalidity of the drug testing process in its entirety. Apart from myself, Cathy Rogers and Roberto Ferrer (a Spanish lawyer specialising in privacy law), presented evidence.
Then the panel deliberated. The verdict was 3-2 in favour of the penalty. The dissenting members of the panel were the players representatives Jon Speelman and Sergei Dolmatov (Grandmasters both). One of the majority panel members was a player who I had defeated in the tournament.
When we left the hearing a friend of Roberto showed him the mornings copy of El Pais (the leading Spanish daily) where the punishment had already been announced by the head of the FIDE Medical Commision Jana Bellin. Of course here quote had been obtained the previous day. Jon Speelman later revealed that the panel did not discuss the circumstances of the tests at all, but instead simply assumed I was guilty and only discussed a suitable punishment.
He was most apologetic about the whole outcome when I spoke to him this evening.
Bobby Miller from Bermuda received an identical punishment, and an almost identical speech from the chair of the panel, which was very suprising, given the circumstances of his test were different from mine.

Shaun, my advice would be that you should appeal, but then you might be risking a two year ban. From what you are saying here, i would not be surprised if an appeal hearing was to overturn the previous verdict.

Alan Shore
31-10-2004, 03:23 AM
Results from my Drug Hearing

Official warning, all points I scored removed from myself and from the team.

The whole process was a stich up from the word go. We gave our evidence concerning the defficencies in the drug test, plus the invalidity of the drug testing process in its entirety. Apart from myself, Cathy Rogers and Roberto Ferrer (a Spanish lawyer specialising in privacy law), presented evidence.
Then the panel deliberated. The verdict was 3-2 in favour of the penalty. The dissenting members of the panel were the players representatives Jon Speelman and Sergei Dolmatov (Grandmasters both). One of the majority panel members was a player who I had defeated in the tournament.
When we left the hearing a friend of Roberto showed him the mornings copy of El Pais (the leading Spanish daily) where the punishment had already been announced by the head of the FIDE Medical Commision Jana Bellin. Of course here quote had been obtained the previous day. Jon Speelman later revealed that the panel did not discuss the circumstances of the tests at all, but instead simply assumed I was guilty and only discussed a suitable punishment.
He was most apologetic about the whole outcome when I spoke to him this evening.
Bobby Miller from Bermuda received an identical punishment, and an almost identical speech from the chair of the panel, which was very suprising, given the circumstances of his test were different from mine.


Man, I am appalled at this. I know in the past we've not been the best of mates but seriously, I support you 100% in your stand. You have been a true beacon in standing up for your rights in this totally BS rule that is unjust and ridiculous. I've also been so impressed by your own individual performance at the Olympiad, far above expectations. If there is any kind of legal cause for you to contest this ludicrous decision, go for it with full force, my best wishes for you in achieving victory and common sense over this complete decadency of moral stature exhibited by FIDE officials.

shaun
31-10-2004, 03:23 AM
Shaun, my advice would be that you should appeal, but then you might be risking a two year ban. From what you are saying here, i would not be surprised if an appeal hearing was to overturn the previous verdict.

It is unlikely that I will appeal as a) it costs money and b) the head of the panel is not going to provide us a written judgement within the 21 day period in which we can lodge an appeal.

When the judgment was handed down I made a statement disagreeing with the sentence as it was a punishment of my team, not just me, and I told them that I would have rather had the two year ban.

Alan Shore
31-10-2004, 03:27 AM
It is unlikely that I will appeal as a) it costs money and b) the head of the panel is not going to provide us a written judgement within the 21 day period in which we can lodge an appeal.

When the judgment was handed down I made a statement disagreeing with the sentence as it was a punishment of my team, not just me, and I told them that I would have rather had the two year ban.

Simply more evidence of ridiculous FIDE politics coming into play. I truly feel for you in this case... will your games still be rated and will you be able to represent PNG in the future? I truly hope so, otherwise I am certain those with legal experience in Aus will flock to your aid. Best wishes in combating this ludicrosity.

shaun
31-10-2004, 03:58 AM
Simply more evidence of ridiculous FIDE politics coming into play. I truly feel for you in this case... will your games still be rated and will you be able to represent PNG in the future? I truly hope so, otherwise I am certain those with legal experience in Aus will flock to your aid. Best wishes in combating this ludicrosity.

I am assuming the games will not be rated, which is significant as one of the panel who voted to remove my score was player with a 2200+ rating who lost to me. I assume he wonīt take the hit to his rating that would have happened otherwise.

arosar
31-10-2004, 07:15 AM
They're phucking morons those FIDE dopes.

AR

pax
31-10-2004, 09:03 AM
It sounds to me as though they needed a scapegoat. They need to point to some examples and say "see, we are serious about drug testing and penalised these players". On the other hand, they don't want to create too much controversy, so they don't do it to GMs and top teams. 2nd board for PNG is probably perfect from that point of view.

Does anyone know how widespread drug testing was? Were the top teams all tested?

Kerry Stead
31-10-2004, 10:29 AM
Unfortunate Shaun.
How much does an appeal cost?
Methinks you might have grounds based on article 5.2 'The competitor has a right to a hearing before a fair and impartial hearing body'
Having said that, it would probably only entitle you to a repeat hearing.
Looks like from the rules however that a penalty is mandatory for refusing to take a test.
You hadn't been reading up on your FIDE rules Shaun? I don't think they need to inform you before the Olympiad that they will be doing random drug testing - its something that is assumed ... the 'ignorance of the law is no excuse' principle.
Well done to the PNG team overall, particularly Rupert. Lets hope you can somehow get those points back (I'm guessing you could live without the rating points if need be).

Thunk
31-10-2004, 10:35 AM
they wouldn't want you to get so big and strong that you intimidate your opponents over the board...


or it could bE that shaun bEnEfitEd by hEaling fastEr and looking slimmEr as pEr thE ExamplE of thE australian crickEtEr.


:cool: the HUNK :cool:

antichrist
31-10-2004, 12:25 PM
Regret that my Sally Robbins post was prophetic.

On the other side a player (a friend) whom I greatly respect and has beaten four grandmasters is going to ruin because of dope -- not implying anything.

antichrist
03-11-2004, 04:56 PM
So the the final is the verdict. If someone is guilty they are worse than Sally Robbins. Not implying anything at all.

antichrist
04-11-2004, 06:01 PM
I have never seen the BB so genteel towards someone's misfortunes. Normally they would be kicking the s... out of them for lot less demeanours such as not quoting correctly. Look at the roasting someone got for maybe using a computer to help their game in some big championship about a year ago. Even written up in the newspaper. Where is PP when we need him. Of course I am stirring because I don't like to become too popular.

shaun
09-11-2004, 10:12 AM
I'm back in Australia and have just caught up with the discussions here.
Firstly I'd like to thank those of you have posted messages of support, especially from those posters who I've had cross words with in the past.
Secondly I'd like to fill in some gaps/answer some questions.

My decision to not take the drug test was pretty much a pre-meditated one. Before I'd even left Australia I'd made up my mind not to do it unless there were compelling reasons to do so. If however I had been asked (along with all other players) to sign a document before the event agreeing to a set of tournament conditions I probably would have done so, and consequently taken the drug test. What is the difference you ask? In explicitly agreeing to abide by the tournament conditions I am voluntarily surrendering my rights, while in fact what happened was that FIDE just assumed the right to tell me to do whatever they wanted. To me this is a significant difference.
Now while my decision was based on maintaining my rights as an individual, my defense at the tribunal was based on more legal matters. Firstly players were not formally notified of drug testing at the olympiad. Sure FIDE annouced it on their web site, but in the formal rules given to players at the start of the tournament, no mention of random drug testing was contained. At the captains meeting the chief arbiter said that drug testing would take place after the 6th round, but not to ask him any questions as he knew nothing about what was going to happen.
Secondly, at the test itself I was not shown any regulations concerning the testing procedure or the punishments to be handed down. There was discussion (via an interperator) of "serious consequences" but no explicit description of what those consequences could be. And to me this is important. While I was aware that I could be banned for up to two years, I was not aware that my team could be penalised as well. If I had known this in advance I would have discussed it with them and if they had asked me to take the test, then I would have taken the test. (Of course ignorance of the law is not really an excuse, but FIDE could have also done this better). In fact so serious was the problem with not showing me the rules that Jana Bellin (Chair of the FIDE Medical Commision) requested I return to the testing room to see the rules. Of course by this stage the testing procedure had been compromised eg I had now been unaccompanied by a testing official for over an hour, and I was not formally asked to do the test again.
As for the makeup of the tribunal, we were told at the start that although the tribunal only contained 2 members who had previously been approved by FIDE (as opposed to all 5), we could either accpet it, or I could return to Europe at a later date for a formal hearing. Of course the return trip was to be at my own expense, so I didn't have much of a choice. In the end the decision was split 3-2 with the chessplayers voting to aquit and the judges/doctor voting to convict. Of course one of the members of the panel was someone I had beaten earlier in the event, Dr Dewprakesh Gajadin (Surinam). So the the decision to annul my games was of material benefit to him.
Now while I do not believe he acted to reward himself in supporting this decision, his failure to inform the other panel members of this clear conflict of interest does raise questions about the ethical underpinnings of the decision. If he had voted to ban me I would have accepted this, but the decision they arrived at was probably the worst they could have arrived at.
Of course their intention was clear. By affecting the team rather than the player, they hope to stamp out any other acts of individual conscience, by placing a player under pressure from their own team mates or federation to take the test. "Collective punishment" is one way of looking at it, with all the negative connotations that go with it.
Overall it was a fairly absurd process which did nothing to convince me that FIDE is able to carry out it's drug testing policies in either a competent or ethical manner. Deepest thanks must go to Cathy Rogers, who did a fabulous job as PNG team captain, and in assisting me in the case, and Roberto Ferrer, a lawyer friend of Cathy's who appeared for me at the tribunal. Also my PNG team mates who supported my decision to not take the test, and were not angry at me for taking the stand I did.
Would I handle it the same way again? I would discuss it with my team, if it were in another team event, but if it was an individual tournament then I probably would refuse once more.

antichrist
09-11-2004, 11:42 AM
Good liberterian effort one may say, pity it was extended to a little nobody wanting to run a small-time comp in Sydney over Easter. Sorry to stir but the first thing I thought of when you brought it up was the team's protection.

antichrist
14-11-2004, 02:39 AM
Good liberterian effort one may say, pity it was extended to a little nobody wanting to run a small-time comp in Sydney over Easter. Sorry to stir but the first thing I thought of when you brought it up was the team's protection.

In this post it was supposed to read "pity it was not extended to little nobody..."

shaun
15-11-2004, 09:57 AM
Shaun
Only if you get a chance to check Casim Grapilion's record re representing PNG. thanks

Stuart Fancy did not recognise the name, and looking at www.olimp-base.org there is no record of anyone by that name playing for PNG at any olympiad.

antichrist
15-11-2004, 09:33 PM
Stuart Fancy did not recognise the name, and looking at www.olimp-base.org there is no record of anyone by that name playing for PNG at any olympiad.

I could not enter that site you quoted to see how far it went back. It may have been 25 years ago I have no idea. In NG he ended up getting malaria in the brain and stopped playing. Thanks anyway.

Bill Gletsos
15-11-2004, 09:58 PM
I believe the website is http://www.olimpbase.org/

antichrist
16-11-2004, 09:56 PM
I believe the website is http://www.olimpbase.org/

Thanks Bill, My mate was not there, maybe he told me a fib. When I see him again next year I'll clear it up. He was one of AR's mob.

Bill Gletsos
16-11-2004, 10:26 PM
Thanks Bill, My mate was not there, maybe he told me a fib. When I see him again next year I'll clear it up. He was one of AR's mob.
If he was one of AR's mob as you so quaintly put it, why would he be playing for PNG, or am I missing something here due to your lack of explanation.

Bill Gletsos
17-11-2004, 03:21 PM
Well Michael Baron certainly served it up to Shaun in the latest ACF Bulletin.
It would appear his knowledge of the situation differs from those who read this bb.
No doubt someone will respond to him via next weeks bulletin.

Garvinator
17-11-2004, 03:29 PM
Well Michael Baron certainly served it up to Shaun in the latest ACF Bulletin.
It would appear his knowledge of the situation differs from those who read this bb.
No doubt someone will respond to him via next weeks bulletin.
and that person might the target of Michael's comments ;)

shaun
17-11-2004, 03:54 PM
It probably will be. I had actually seen the letter prior to publication but decided to wait until it was out in the open to reply. Of course the letter contained a number of other criticisms as well, and I assume replies from others will also be forthcoming.

Ian Rout
17-11-2004, 04:38 PM
I think Dr Baron's comments about following the rules are entirely reasonable. It's just unfortunate that he didn't show us where in the rules it is prescribed that disciplinary committees may determine and publish their findings before hearing the arguments, or include members with a vested interest in the outcome. Perhaps this was an oversight that will be rectified in the next ACF Bulletin.

antichrist
17-11-2004, 06:07 PM
If he was one of AR's mob as you so quaintly put it, why would he be playing for PNG, or am I missing something here due to your lack of explanation.

He was an architect or engineer working for an Auzzie mob up there for a few decades. With all that experience and references etc it probably enabled him to settle here. Maybe it was even before independence, I will check next year. I had a holiday at his home in RP and we played all day and night for about 6 weeks. He was upset because the Muslims there can have two wives and he cannot (glutton for punishment).

Garvinator
19-11-2004, 02:30 AM
Hello Shaun,

There are transcripts up regarding your hearing and events at the olympiad.

Do you have any comments regarding the report and also do you intend to appeal to the court of arbitration for sport?

shaun
19-11-2004, 10:09 AM
Right on the front page of www.fide.com no less.
I've already read the judgement and my first suggestion is for anyone that is interested go and read them yourselves, and make up your own mind on the rights and wrongs of the issue.

Garvinator
19-11-2004, 10:16 AM
Right on the front page of www.fide.com no less.
I've already read the judgement and my first suggestion is for anyone that is interested go and read them yourselves, and make up your own mind on the rights and wrongs of the issue.
i have read yours, that is why i asked ;)

Trent Parker
19-11-2004, 11:20 AM
Boooo Hissssssssss!

shaun
22-11-2004, 09:30 AM
I thought the report summarised my case fairly well, although it obviously didn't mention the defects in the decision process (conflict of interest, pre-determined outcome, no discussion of guilt or innocence etc). I also thought there was enough in the comments by the panel to indicate that they themselves recognised the problems with doping control process. Of course I still disagree with the punishment handed down, although ironically for the panel it validates the central plank of my defence (ie I wasn't shown the regulations and therefore did not have enough information to make an informed decision).
I am not appealling the ruling with CAS, as the costs can be prohibitive and the cost recovery process can be long and painful.

Ian Rout
22-11-2004, 10:18 AM
As a matter of interest, is it known who else was tested (and presumably passed)?

The reason I ask is that they are testing at least two players ranked 30-40,000 in the world and it would seem sensible to be testing a higher proportion of players from the elite ranks, since that's where it is really important to eliminate performance-enhancing drugs (if you believe that HGH etc enhance chess performance). We haven't heard about the players who are not failing/refusing drug tests.

shaun
22-11-2004, 11:06 AM
In the last round Ilya Smirin from Israel was chosen as the "random" player. Boris Gelfand tried to talk him into refusing the test, but eventually Smirin decided to take the test. Ivanchuk was one of the players tested from the medal winners group and apparently took the test without complaint.
The new FIDE regulations on doping mention that random, out of competition testing will be carried out on players ranked in the top 50 in the world. It hasn't happened yet, and I would be interested to see if it happens at all.

antichrist
22-11-2004, 02:47 PM
I still think it was selfish to drag the whole team down with you. But I think you have already said you would have obeyed if you knew the consequences.