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Brian_Jones
02-12-2011, 04:55 PM
2012 Guam International - Travel Grants available - please see attachment

Santa
02-12-2011, 11:39 PM
No details at http://www.oceaniachess.com/

ER
03-12-2011, 12:26 AM
Guam is in my "places to visit" list! It's a paradise on earth, quite high cost of living ($US is their currency) but well you can't please them all! I wouldn't go there to play chess though so Brian the $750 is safe! :P :owned: :lol:

Brian_Jones
03-12-2011, 07:44 AM
No details at http://www.oceaniachess.com/

Yes, there are - just look a bit harder for the Guam link at http://www.chessaustralia.com.au/media/main_guam_international.pdf

George Xie
03-12-2011, 07:00 PM
Does anyone know the prize pool for this tournament?

Brian_Jones
04-12-2011, 08:25 AM
Does anyone know the prize pool for this tournament?

Not very big! ;)

You are too strong for this event!

Better you play in Fiji Open or Noumea Open later in the year!

Watto
04-12-2011, 09:44 AM
2012 Guam International - Travel Grants available - please see attachment
My computer just goes into a loop when I try to open that attachment... :hmm:



You are too strong for this event!

Better you play in Fiji Open or Noumea Open later in the year!
So what sort of strength is right for the Guam International? 2200, 2000 or what? Just curious.

Hobbes
04-12-2011, 11:27 AM
So what sort of strength is right for the Guam International? 2200, 2000 or what? Just curious.

As a guide the New Caledonia event (http://www.auschess.org.au/oceania/newcaledonia/invitational.htm) was won by the top seed, as it happens a member of the Jones family! :whistle:

MichaelBaron
04-12-2011, 12:37 PM
As a guide the New Caledonia event (http://www.auschess.org.au/oceania/newcaledonia/invitational.htm) was won by the top seed, as it happens a member of the Jones family! :whistle:
Jones family member winning means the strength of the event was... :whistle:

Vlad
04-12-2011, 01:06 PM
Michael, why you keep making the same point over and over. I think everybody is tired of you making the comparison that you are 2300 player, which means you are stronger than any Jones family members (except for Garry) because they are 2100s.

Ok, I am 2400. Should I constantly go to the MCC lightning thread and say something like: "Michael is winning only because I am not playing. He is my client. I have 100% score against him. How could you lose to this sapog, valenok, etc?":)

MichaelBaron
04-12-2011, 01:40 PM
Michael, why you keep making the same point over and over. I think everybody is tired of you making the comparison that you are 2300 player, which means you are stronger than any Jones family members (except for Garry) because they are 2100s.

Ok, I am 2400. Should I constantly go to the MCC lightning thread and say something like: "Michael is winning only because I am not playing. He is my client. I have 100% score against him. How could you lose to this sapog, valenok, etc?":)
Vlad, you are welcome to play at MCC events! Would be great to see you playing. Btw, these days I am not winning any more. Last few weeks, - I've been overtaken by James and Jessie :)

I ''pick'' on the Jones family only because this is the most ''titled'' family of all :D

Brian_Jones
05-12-2011, 07:41 AM
My computer just goes into a loop when I try to open that attachment... :hmm:

Get a new computer? ;)



So what sort of strength is right for the Guam International? 2200, 2000 or what? Just curious.

The objective is to get FIDE ratings for the seven Guam players who are probably sub-2000. So we need overseas rated players in the 1500-2100 range.

Watto
05-12-2011, 08:37 AM
Get a new computer? ;)


No, the computer is very new and a good one. Just something about that attachment it doesn't handle, not sure why. Doesn't matter.


The objective is to get FIDE ratings for the seven Guam players who are probably sub-2000. So we need overseas rated players in the 1500-2100 range.
Okay, thanks for the explanation.

Santa
08-12-2011, 02:18 PM
Get a new computer? ;)




The objective is to get FIDE ratings for the seven Guam players who are probably sub-2000. So we need overseas rated players in the 1500-2100 range.

Then the ideal tournament would comprise them vs seven players rated in that range, with all players in one team playing all players in the other. Twice, maybe, so they'd all be credited with 14 games..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheveningen_system

Bill Gletsos
08-12-2011, 04:07 PM
Then the ideal tournament would comprise them vs seven players rated in that range, with all players in one team playing all players in the other. Twice, maybe, so they'd all be credited with 14 games..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scheveningen_systemFIDE decided not to rate Scheveningen tournaments/matches involving unrated players back in 2000.


FIDE did vote to not rate Scheveningen tournaments with unrated players (from immediate effect) which has been seen in the past as the most effective way of manufacturing rated players.I am unsure if this decision has changed since then.

MichaelBaron
08-12-2011, 07:31 PM
And the cost of getting 7 fide-rated players to Guam would be too high anyway

Brian_Jones
20-02-2012, 03:45 PM
After 5 rounds,Australian Tony Davis leads the Guam International with 4.5/5 ahead of Leon Kempen and Efren Manuel. This 10-player round robin finishes on Wednesday.

Brian_Jones
20-02-2012, 04:35 PM
http://www.guampdn.com/apps/pbcs.dll/gallery?Avis=M0&Dato=20120217&Kategori=SPORTS&Lopenr=202170804

Brian_Jones
21-02-2012, 10:27 AM
Herreros beats Kempen. Manuel beats Whitt. After 6 rounds, Tony Davis leads with 5 points followed by Efren Manuel 4.5, Leon Kempen 4.

Brian_Jones
21-02-2012, 03:48 PM
Round 7. Manuel beats Davis to take the lead with 5.5/7.

Kempen and Davis second with 5/7.

Round 8 takes place at 3pm Tuesday (Queensland Time!!). ;)

Round 9 at 10am Wednesday.

Australian party starts at secret location at 5pm Wednesday. ;)

Brian_Jones
22-02-2012, 10:02 AM
Tournament results at http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=13841

Brian_Jones
22-02-2012, 10:38 AM
Going into the final round, Manuel (GUM) leads with 6.5/8 ahead of Kempen (AUS) on 6/8 and Davis (AUS) on 5/8.

antichrist
22-02-2012, 07:40 PM
How are the Filipinos going in this comp? Are there many in it?

Chigoresov
23-02-2012, 09:37 AM
Manuel and Kempen tied for equal first on 7/9 with Davis limping home 3rd with 6/9.

Apparently the hospitality, shopping, swimming and weather were first-rate and those Australians missing out this time won't want to miss the next Guam International.

Just beware the thousands of Japanese schoolies! :eek:

Now where was that cross-table?

MichaelBaron
23-02-2012, 11:41 AM
Well-done to the tournament winners!:clap:

It is comforting to know that while Auzzies do struggle to achieve any chess success at big international events, there are still countries out othere whee we can send our club level players and watch them dominate the local olympic team!:D

antichrist
23-02-2012, 11:49 AM
Well-done to the tournament winners!:clap:

It is comforting to know that while Auzzies do struggle to achieve any chess success at big international events, there are still countries out othere whee we can send our club level players and watch them dominate the local olympic team!:D

soft titles are they Mike? big contagious is it

now if you would have made the effort and got there maybe you would have been a national champion - jelly belly

Santa
23-02-2012, 11:52 AM
FIDE decided not to rate Scheveningen tournaments/matches involving unrated players back in 2000.

I am unsure if this decision has changed since then.

"Scehveningen Individual Match Team Match"

from the page where tournaments are registered:
http://www.fide.com/component/handbook/?id=12&view=category

I've not found anything relevant to the conditions tournaments must meet in order to be rated.

MichaelBaron
23-02-2012, 01:33 PM
soft titles are they Mike? big contagious is it

now if you would have made the effort and got there maybe you would have been a national champion - jelly belly

AC that was not my point. I was not saying anything about soft titles!

Max Illingworth
23-02-2012, 01:35 PM
Well-done to the tournament winners!:clap:

It is comforting to know that while Auzzies do struggle to achieve any chess success at big international events, there are still countries out othere whee we can send our club level players and watch them dominate the local olympic team!:D

What about Darryl's first place at Queenstown, to give one example?

MichaelBaron
23-02-2012, 04:34 PM
What about Darryl's first place at Queenstown, to give one example?
Good point, Max. This was probably one big win to be considered :clap:

But even QT...there was one player from the world top 100 playing only so its a great result but a little bit short of Making Aus famous for its chess

Max Illingworth
23-02-2012, 05:37 PM
Good point, Max. This was probably one big win to be considered :clap:

But even QT...there was one player from the world top 100 playing only so its a great result but a little bit short of Making Aus famous for its chess

Two if you include Gawain (who dropped out of the live top 100 during the tournament).

Currently Australia is ranked in the world top 20 on its' top 10 junior players, so there's definitely potential for Australian chess to continue to improve.

antichrist
23-02-2012, 08:46 PM
Two if you include Gawain (who dropped out of the live top 100 during the tournament).

Currently Australia is ranked in the world top 20 on its' top 10 junior players, so there's definitely potential for Australian chess to continue to improve.


we expect all such pronouncements free of prejudice and favouritism and from an arms-length position

Max Illingworth
23-02-2012, 08:51 PM
we expect all such pronouncements free of prejudice and favouritism and from an arms-length position

Don't get too carried away AC. This thread is on the Guam International.

Before I forget, congrats to Manuel and Kempen! :clap:

Desmond
24-02-2012, 04:37 PM
AC that was not my point. I was not saying anything about soft titles!As usual, you have no point.

Garrett
24-02-2012, 06:57 PM
Before I forget, congrats to Manuel and Kempen! :clap:

Yes congrats !!!!

MichaelBaron
25-02-2012, 09:46 AM
As usual, you have no point.
My point was actually to congratulate our players on their good result but as usual you did not read carefully. Its Ok, I know reading is a challenging activity for some.

Desmond
25-02-2012, 09:55 AM
My point was actually to congratulate our players on their good result but as usual you did not read carefully. Its Ok, I know reading is a challenging activity for some.
I read a backhanded congratulations, denigrating the opposition.

Brian_Jones
25-02-2012, 01:15 PM
Final placing in Guam:

1= Efren Manuel, Leon Kempen 7/9
3rd Tony Davis 6
4th Anthony Whitt 5
5= Tony Weller, Gary Bekker 4.5
7th Rene Buenaventura 4
8= Miguel Herreros, Felix Lacno 3
10th Fer David 1

The attached photo (courtesy Vuong Duong for Guam Pacific Daily News) shows Guam Senator Dennis Rodriquez, left, playing the first move against FIDE Zone 3.6 President Brian Jones during the symbolic opening at the Guam Reef Hotel.

Brian_Jones
25-02-2012, 01:17 PM
The Australian players

Brian_Jones
25-02-2012, 01:18 PM
The Guam players

Brian_Jones
25-02-2012, 01:19 PM
Drawing of Lots

Brian_Jones
25-02-2012, 01:21 PM
Games

Brian_Jones
25-02-2012, 01:29 PM
http://asianchess.net/wp/?p=1147

antichrist
25-02-2012, 06:16 PM
Brian, did you manage a game with Guam Senator Dennis Rodriquez? Liked your links. Do the Filipinos follow the convention that the top players don't play in simuls?

peter_parr
27-02-2012, 12:38 PM
Report SMH (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/2012.htm)

Brian_Jones
01-03-2012, 10:07 AM
http://www.fide.com/component/content/article/4-tournaments/5957-first-international-tournament-in-guam-18-22-february-2012.html

Brian_Jones
30-04-2012, 09:34 AM
The Guam International Invitational has now been FIDE rated at
http://ratings.fide.com/tournament_report.phtml?event16=65984

Guam players:

Manuel Efren 1919
Anthony Whitt 1841
Rene Buenaventura 1802
Miguel Herreros 1729
Felix Lacno 1729
David Fer 1525

Tony Dowden
30-04-2012, 07:53 PM
This reminds me that Guam is part of USA, so maybe Tasmania can get affiliated with FIDE and I can play in another Olympiad without having to retire to a desert island ;)