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heligan
23-11-2010, 05:28 PM
The New Zealand Chess Federation is delighted to announce official confirmation of the 2012 Queenstown Chess Classic, to be held 15th-23rd January 2012. The $50,000 sponsorship is being provided by New Zealand Chess Grandmaster Murray Chandler.

The tournament will be a nine round Swiss-system, staged over nine days. As with the previous Queenstown events of 2006 and 2009, the 2012 Classic will be a fully-fledged International Open tournament. The 119th New Zealand National Championship will also be incorporated within the event. The venue will be the ballroom of the Millennium Hotel, Queenstown.

Previous Queenstown events have attracted numerous international players, including masters and grandmasters. Opportunities for international title norms are once again expected to be available.

For further information see the tournament website, which will be updated regularly over the coming months:

www.queenstownchess.com

Adamski
23-11-2010, 09:36 PM
That's great news, Helen. One to consider playing in for me.

Tony Dowden
23-11-2010, 09:52 PM
That's great news, Helen. One to consider playing in for me.
Fantastic news for sure :D

CivicChessMan
24-11-2010, 01:01 AM
Excellent news. Let's hope for a better turnout from local players in 2012 than in 2009 when just 40 showed up (33%). With 9 rounds, one fewer than 2009, I hope that the half-point bye option will not be offered. I wouldn't like to think that a player could be NZ Champion by the margin of a half-point bye.

Craig_Hall
24-11-2010, 11:34 AM
Excellent news. Let's hope for a better turnout from local players in 2012 than in 2009 when just 40 showed up (33%). With 9 rounds, one fewer than 2009, I hope that the half-point bye option will not be offered. I wouldn't like to think that a player could be NZ Champion by the margin of a half-point bye.

With only 9 rounds instead of 10, anyone wanting a norm will have to play the whole thing, so hopefully that incentive makes it a non-issue.

Watto
24-11-2010, 07:43 PM
Wonderful news. Both previous tournaments have been so well organised and Queenstown is the perfect place for a chess tournament … great bars and restaurants and truly spectacular scenery in every direction.

Speaking of which, here's the view on the road from Queenstown to Glenorchy from our 2006 trip.
Also the view from the verandah of our shared house from our 2009 visit (shared houses are the way to go - it's pretty easy to get a dream house with a fantastic view.)

(I'll keep the pics up for a short time only as I'll have to upload other files at some stage - this is just to get people in the mood! :))

Adamski
24-11-2010, 08:16 PM
Thanks for the piics, Watto. I love the area from Queenstown to Glenorchy, and Glenorchy itself - entrance to the famous Routeburn tarck.

Tony Dowden
24-11-2010, 09:24 PM
I can strongly recommend bushwalking (tramping) using Glenorchy as a base. I've walked the Greenstone, Caples, Routeburn, Beansburn, Rockburn, Dart and Rees valleys and assorted connecting passes. Also climbed to Esquilant Biv/Hut on Mt Earnslaw. But whatever you do be certain to get local advice - you can die of hypothermia in summer in South Island's mountain country.

Qbert
14-12-2010, 02:13 PM
Well I've already entered - having diverted my entry fee from the Zonal. The sudden necessity of replacing our car meant the cost of the Rotorua trip was too great.

flukey
22-12-2010, 04:02 PM
Yes great news, like Watto I went for the luxury house option ... a $2.5 million house and it was around $100 a night each - also had satellite tv, internet, amazing views etc etc.

Must have another poker night there Watto!!

Adamski
22-12-2010, 09:30 PM
Well I've already entered - having diverted my entry fee from the Zonal. The sudden necessity of replacing our car meant the cost of the Rotorua trip was too great.
Well Quentin I admire your courage. I for one cannot say with certainty what I will be doing in over a year's time! Go the "OCC" men (both yours and Brian Jones's!)! (Refer latest Australasian Chess.)

heligan
23-12-2010, 06:06 AM
More details of the event have been released - see www.queenstownchess.com

Qbert
23-12-2010, 10:11 AM
Well Quentin I admire your courage. I for one cannot say with certainty what I will be doing in over a year's time!
No so much courage Jonathan, as having already committed a large entry fee to the zonal - I didn't lose much by transferring it to Queenstown instead. At this stage I see no obstacle - so I will be there!

CivicChessMan
23-12-2010, 03:58 PM
With 9 rounds, one fewer than 2009, I hope that the half-point bye option will not be offered. I wouldn't like to think that a player could be NZ Champion by the margin of a half-point bye.

Pleased to see the following: Half-point byes in the Queenstown Chess Classic: To give flexibility to chess enthusiasts combining the tournament with a holiday: Any player may elect to take up to two half point byes, to be taken no later than round seven. However, any New Zealand player who wishes to be eligible to win a New Zealand National Championship title (or an automatic Olympiad team spot) must play all nine rounds.

Adamski
23-12-2010, 10:33 PM
Pleased to see the following: Half-point byes in the Queenstown Chess Classic: To give flexibility to chess enthusiasts combining the tournament with a holiday: Any player may elect to take up to two half point byes, to be taken no later than round seven. However, any New Zealand player who wishes to be eligible to win a New Zealand National Championship title (or an automatic Olympiad team spot) must play all nine rounds.
I like that too (RW number 2!)

White text exists for CCM.

CivicChessMan
06-02-2011, 09:17 PM
Just had a look at the entries received and there are already 3 GMs: Gawain Jones, Klaus Bischoff and Eduardas Rozentalis.

Craig_Hall
07-02-2011, 01:02 PM
Just had a look at the entries received and there are already 3 GMs: Gawain Jones, Klaus Bischoff and Eduardas Rozentalis.

All 3 were at the last one, so hopefully they can get some word of mouth going :).

We're trying to arrange a house load (or 2!) from Canterbury CC, so hopefully we can get 15 or 20 Cantabs down there this time.

LNah
14-03-2011, 06:04 PM
Apparently the 2012 Oceania Open Championships is incorporated into the 2012 Queenstown Chess Classic. (source: 2 March 2011 Press Release - pdf file (http://www.oceaniachess.com/media/main_oceania_110302.pdf) by Oceania Chess Confederation (http://www.oceaniachess.com) )

Tony Dowden
14-03-2011, 07:44 PM
That's interesting Lin - but I don't know what an 'Open Oceania' event is. (Obviously it's not a zonal because that is a closed event).

Can anyone shed any light on this: does the Open Oceania have a pedigree or is it a new event?

heligan
15-03-2011, 06:38 AM
Lin is perfectly correct - it is intended to award the next Oceania Championship (a new event, among others set up by the new Oceania Chess Confederation) within the Queenstown Chess Classic.

Tony Dowden
26-03-2011, 03:24 PM
Lin is perfectly correct - it is intended to award the next Oceania Championship (a new event, among others set up by the new Oceania Chess Confederation) within the Queenstown Chess Classic.

Thanks Helen, I obviously missed the official announcement of this event.

ER
26-03-2011, 04:44 PM
To all aussies who would make the trip, please include me in your possible team lineups for sharing holiday house etc.

Igor_Goldenberg
26-03-2011, 05:59 PM
What a nice tournament and attractive place (and some pleasurable memories as well)!

antichrist
27-03-2011, 01:29 PM
Jetstar have $99 fares from OZ to Queenstown but did not check if dates line up

Watto
20-04-2011, 07:44 PM
What a nice tournament and attractive place (and some pleasurable memories as well)!
Yes, it's also got a wonderful schedule - one game per day and all rounds starting at 3 pm. Looking forward to this one very much.

antichrist
21-04-2011, 01:48 AM
Yes, it's also got a wonderful schedule - one game per day and all rounds starting at 3 pm. Looking forward to this one very much.

I would much prefer a 10am start when mind is fresh and can relax again before trying to sleep with game still in head

Kevin Bonham
21-04-2011, 01:52 AM
I would much prefer a 10am start when mind is fresh and can relax again before trying to sleep with game still in head

But for a long game if you start at 10 am, what do you do about lunch?

antichrist
21-04-2011, 02:00 AM
But for a long game if you start at 10 am, what do you do about lunch?

the same you would do for dinner if beginning at 3pm

actually having an adjournment (under supervision) could help the game as they would get a break after 3 hours heavy thinking preparing them for intensive middle game completion. Could lead to a higher standard of chess and less mental breakdowns and more entrants

Kevin Bonham
21-04-2011, 02:08 AM
the same you would do for dinner if beginning at 3pm

If you have a relatively late lunch you can have a late dinner, but even having a late breakfast isn't likely to get you through to 4 pm.

antichrist
21-04-2011, 11:41 AM
If you have a relatively late lunch you can have a late dinner, but even having a late breakfast isn't likely to get you through to 4 pm.

I prescribe all normal time meals, with an adjournment at lunchtime. If one eats sensible at that meal it should not interfere with the thinking depot. Then if an extraordinary long game it would still be over by normal dinner time. Leaving one time for recovery for next day's game. For eg could go for late swim or walk to help deep sleep.

Kevin Bonham
21-04-2011, 12:01 PM
I prescribe all normal time meals, with an adjournment at lunchtime.

Adjournments are stupid and archaic. They provide far too much scope for cheating.

Watto
21-04-2011, 02:20 PM
I would much prefer a 10am start when mind is fresh and can relax again before trying to sleep with game still in head
I prefer an afternoon start as there are lots of morning trips one can do around Queenstown (it's also good preparation time) but the main thing I like is that the rounds start at the same time every day. It's such a good thing to be able to get into a routine - go for a run each morning etc.
A photo of the view from our balcony in 2009.

antichrist
21-04-2011, 02:31 PM
I prefer an afternoon start as there are lots of morning trips one can do around Queenstown (it's also good preparation time) but the main thing I like is that the rounds start at the same time every day. It's such a good thing to be able to get into a routine - go for a run each morning etc.
A photo of the view from our balcony in 2009.

AC
the last thing I would recommend is go for a run before a game, a sleep is more like it and awakening at least one or two hours before the game. Then mind is fresh and want to kill. Have the run before bedtime so good sleep.

Watto
21-04-2011, 02:45 PM
I prefer an afternoon start as there are lots of morning trips one can do around Queenstown (it's also good preparation time) but the main thing I like is that the rounds start at the same time every day. It's such a good thing to be able to get into a routine - go for a run each morning etc.




AC
the last thing I would recommend is go for a run before a game, a sleep is more like it and awakening at least one or two hours before the game. Then mind is fresh and want to kill. Have the run before bedtime so good sleep.
A run in the morning before breakfast is fine if you are playing a game at 3 pm.

(apropos of nothing, here's a photo of the seals in Milford Sound - one of the most beautiful places I have ever visited - a day's trip from Queenstown)

And the moss covered forest near Glenorchy, not far from Queenstown - near where the Lord of the Rings movies were filmed.

Desmond
22-04-2011, 11:56 AM
beautiful pics there Watto :)

Trent Parker
23-04-2011, 02:59 AM
Have the run before bedtime so good sleep.

Horses for courses

If I walk home from the station late at night I tend to not be able to get to sleep for at least an hour.

Walks in the morning helps my mother wake up and be on the ball.

Carl Gorka
23-04-2011, 11:06 PM
A run in the morning before breakfast is fine if you are playing a game at 3 pm.

(apropos of nothing, here's a photo of the seals in Milford Sound - one of the most beautiful places I have ever visited - a day's trip from Queenstown)

And the moss covered forest near Glenorchy, not far from Queenstown - near where the Lord of the Rings movies were filmed.

You are an inspiration Jean...Caroline and I have booked a walking tour (http://www.ultimatehikes.co.nz/media/50552/milford-customer-info.pdf) in Milford Sound in January. :)

Watto
24-04-2011, 10:11 AM
You are an inspiration Jean...Caroline and I have booked a walking tour (http://www.ultimatehikes.co.nz/media/50552/milford-customer-info.pdf) in Milford Sound in January. :)
hey, that's great! Glad to be of service ... :) ;)

Garvinator
24-04-2011, 10:21 AM
hey, that's great! Glad to be of service ... :) ;)
Remember to get your sales person commission :P

ER
08-05-2011, 12:30 AM
ok I am convinced, count me in for this one chief!
I 've booked flight already and the Noble Park CC youngsters are in charge for the accommodation.
See ya all there!

heligan
08-05-2011, 12:21 PM
You are most welcome!
The rest of you, check out www.queenstownchess.com...

ER
08-05-2011, 06:50 PM
Entry fee paid.
Confirmation e-mail received.
Notification e-mail sent to Mr Spiller

Tony Dowden
08-05-2011, 07:23 PM
Entry fee paid.
Confirmation e-mail received.
Notification e-mail sent to Mr Spiller

OK, :clap: :clap: now it's time to add the Classic to your sig ;)

ER
08-05-2011, 08:06 PM
OK, :clap: :clap: now it's time to add the Classic to your sig ;)

ooops I forgot all about it, there you go! :)

Garrett
24-05-2011, 01:19 PM
entry fee paid....
:cool:

lost
05-09-2011, 11:03 PM
entry fee paid....
:cool:

Congratulations to the organisers in getting Chao Li to play in this event who is currently on the rating list as 2710 and the number 3 player for China.

lost

that Caesar guy
05-09-2011, 11:49 PM
Congratulations to the organisers in getting Chao Li to play in this event who is currently on the rating list as 2710 and the number 3 player for China.

lost
:O

If you're correct Jamie...that is incredibly impressive! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Now I'll definitely try and drum up the money to come down, I've been meaning to for a while, just finance was always the issue :P

lost
06-09-2011, 12:27 AM
:O

If you're correct Jamie...that is incredibly impressive! :clap: :clap: :clap:

Now I'll definitely try and drum up the money to come down, I've been meaning to for a while, just finance was always the issue :P

I am correct on this. Did some research and a 2700 rated played has hit the shores of NZ. Australia has to get a big name star here to play in an event now.

lost

GinoTHEstud
06-09-2011, 07:35 PM
Where is the rapid and lighting take place?

ChrisBurns
06-09-2011, 08:09 PM
I can't see any mention of rapid or blitz being offered.It would be neat to have a rapid run either in the mornings or evenings over a few days, I unfortunately have to to leave the day after the main tourny finishes.

heligan
07-09-2011, 09:57 AM
The Queenstown Chess Classic includes the New Zealand Championship, but not the NZ Rapid or Lightning Championships. Bids to hold these events are invited (by NZCF).

Qbert
26-10-2011, 10:37 AM
The field is shaping up with the first entry deadline approaching...

1 2710 GM Li Chao (CHN)
2 2631 GM Surya Ganguly (IND)
3 2624 GM Gawain Jones (ENG)
4 2575 GM Eduardas Rozentalis (LTU)
5 2570 GM Zong-Yuan Zhao (AUS)
6 2566 GM Sune Berg Hansen (DEN)
7 2547 GM Klaus Bischoff (GER)
8 2541 GM Dejan Bojkov (BUL)
9 2497 GM Zhao Xue (CHN)
10 2444 GM Kivanc Haznedaroglu (TUR)
11 2440 IM George Xie (AUS)
12 2422 Trevor Tao (AUS)
13 2408 GM Darryl Johansen (AUS)
14 2358 FM Junta Ikeda (AUS)
15 2357 FM Max Illingworth (AUS)
16 2344 IM Anthony Ker (NZL)
17 2339 IM Russell Dive (NZL)
18 2290 IM Paul Garbett (NZL)
19 2274 Domagoj Dragicevic (AUS)
20 2269 FM Mike Steadman (NZL)
21 2261 FM Stephen Lukey (NZL)
22 2233 wgm Kruttika Nadig (IND)
23 2210 FM Ove Hartvig (DEN)
24 2182 Daniel Shen (NZL)
25 2167 wgm Karolina Smokina (MDA)
26 2127 Quentin Johnson (NZL)
27 2123 wim Christin Andersson (SWE)
28 2099 Luke Li (NZL)
29 2079 John Duneas (NZL)
30 2070 FM Brian Jones (AUS)
31 2068 John McDonald (NZL)
32 2063 wim Ingrid Lauterbach (ENG)
33 2052 Stephen Fairbairn (CAN)
34 2022 Chris Burns (NZL)
35 2012 Karl Zelesco (AUS)
36 2008 George Lester (AUS)
37 1999 Leon Kempen (AUS)
38 1987 wim Sue Maroroa (NZL)
39 1977 Ari Dale (AUS)
40 1966 Ross Jackson (NZL)
41 1965 wfm Helen Milligan (NZL)
42 1959 Adrian Flitney (AUS)
43 1958 Dennis Holland (AUS)
44 1939 David Lovejoy (AUS)
45 1925 Richard Voon (AUS)
46 1924 Chris Benson (NZL)
47 1913 Bill Forster (NZL)
48 1905 Hans Gao (NZL)
49 1905 Kian Hwa Lim (MAS)
50 1892 Hamish Selnes (AUS)
51 1883 Angelo Tsagarakis (AUS)
52 1850 Federico Roura (NZL)
53 1849 Roy Seabrook (NZL)
54 1846 Hacer Haznedaroglu (TUR)
55 1844 Edward Rains (NZL)
56 1839 Winston Yao (NZL)
57 1823 Bruce Kay (NZL)
58 1802 David Capper (NZL)
59 1781 Huseyin Yeten (CYP)
60 1757 Stewart Holdaway (NZL)
61 1742 Kevin Brown (AUS)
62 1741 Erlend Millikan (USA)
63 1737 Tim Rains (NZL)
64 1730 wfm Nicole Tsoi (NZL)
65 1703 Roland Brockman (AUS)
66 1679 William XW Li (NZL)
67 1668 Elliott Renzies (AUS)
68 1621 Gary Judkins (NZL)
69 1528 Leighton Nicholls (NZL)
70 1346 Seong-June Her (NZL)

Max Illingworth
26-10-2011, 10:43 AM
That's already a very good field. Well done to the organisers.

that Caesar guy
26-10-2011, 12:55 PM
That is a brilliant field. And it will only get better. I'll try my best to get here, but I'm not sure yet. The field here is at least as strong than the Thailand Open's earlier this year :clap:

mikesguns
26-10-2011, 05:04 PM
That is a brilliant field. And it will only get better. I'll try my best to get here, but I'm not sure yet. The field here is at least as strong than the Thailand Open's earlier this year :clap:
This is much stronger it not everyday you get a tournament with 11 GM's including the world's no. 35 in the Asian-Pacific area.

Tony Dowden
26-10-2011, 06:01 PM
The field is shaping up with the first entry deadline approaching...

1 2710 GM Li Chao (CHN)
2 2631 GM Surya Ganguly (IND)
3 2624 GM Gawain Jones (ENG)
4 2575 GM Eduardas Rozentalis (LTU)
5 2570 GM Zong-Yuan Zhao (AUS)
6 2566 GM Sune Berg Hansen (DEN)
7 2547 GM Klaus Bischoff (GER)
8 2541 GM Dejan Bojkov (BUL)
9 2497 GM Zhao Xue (CHN)
10 2444 GM Kivanc Haznedaroglu (TUR)
.
.
.
68 1621 Gary Judkins (NZL)
69 1528 Leighton Nicholls (NZL)
70 1346 Seong-June Her (NZL)

Many thanks Q, it's great to see the field sorted in order. The Elo spread is remarkable!

Doubt I can make it this time :(

Garrett
26-10-2011, 06:58 PM
It's great to see the field sorted in order. The Elo spread is remarkable!

OMG I am in line for a board one clash in round one !!!

Yayyyy !

ChrisBurns
27-10-2011, 12:19 PM
I think the field will change in the next few months, also the rating list used for the grades is 1/1/2012 quoted from the regulations paragraph Grades: Grades used to determine grading prize eligibility are, in order: FIDE (World Chess Federation) grades, New Zealand grades, Australian grades, and national grades of other countries. Unrated players with past tournament experience must give an indication of playing strength and may be assigned a grade at the discretion of the arbiters. The applicable list in each case will be the most recently published (i.e. FIDE list of 01/01/2012 will apply).
In the last day I see that Bob and Vivien Smith and Bobby Cheng have entered, i myself am hovering around the mid point so it could go either way in the first round,

Qbert
01-11-2011, 07:55 AM
Here is the latest field with the Nov FIDE ratings:

1 2700 GM Li Chao (CHN)
2 2635 GM Gawain Jones (ENG)
3 2625 GM Surya Ganguly (IND)
4 2586 GM Eduardas Rozentalis (LTU)
5 2566 GM Sune Berg Hansen (DEN)
6 2564 GM Zong-Yuan Zhao (AUS)
7 2553 GM Dejan Bojkov (BUL)
8 2539 GM Zhao Xue (CHN)
9 2537 GM Klaus Bischoff (GER)
10 2440 IM George Xie (AUS)
11 2426 GM Kivanc Haznedaroglu (TUR)
12 2422 Trevor Tao (AUS)
13 2403 GM Darryl Johansen (AUS)
14 2401 FM Max Illingworth (AUS)
15 2384 IM Stephen Solomon (AUS)
16 2359 IM Anthony Ker (NZL)
17 2349 FM Junta Ikeda (AUS)
18 2345 FM Bobby Cheng (AUS)
19 2345 IM Russell Dive (NZL)
20 2298 IM Paul Garbett (NZL)
21 2275 FM Bob Smith (NZL)
22 2269 FM Mike Steadman (NZL)
23 2261 FM Stephen Lukey (NZL)
24 2247 Domagoj Dragicevic (AUS)
25 2234 wgm Kruttika Nadig (IND)
26 2216 Andrew Bird (AUS)
27 2210 FM Ove Hartvig (DEN)
28 2182 Daniel Shen (NZL)
29 2167 wgm Karolina Smokina (MDA)
30 2127 Quentin Johnson (NZL)
31 2123 wim Christin Andersson (SWE)
32 2105 Luke Li (NZL)
33 2092 FM Brian Jones (AUS)
34 2087 John Duneas (NZL)
35 2079 Alan Ansell (NZL)
36 2075 wim Ingrid Lauterbach (ENG)
37 2068 John McDonald (NZL)
38 2052 Stephen Fairbairn (CAN)
39 2022 Chris Burns (NZL)
40 2013 wim Sue Maroroa (NZL)
41 2008 George Lester (AUS)
42 1999 Leon Kempen (AUS)
43 1979 wfm Helen Milligan (NZL)
44 1977 Ari Dale (AUS)
45 1976 Karl Zelesco (AUS)
46 1959 Adrian Flitney (AUS)
47 1958 Dennis Holland (AUS)
48 1947 Ross Jackson (NZL)
49 1939 David Lovejoy (AUS)
50 1935 Kian Hwa Lim (MAS)
51 1933 Richard Voon (AUS)
52 1924 Chris Benson (NZL)
53 1910 Bill Forster (NZL)
54 1898 Hans Gao (NZL)
55 1892 Hamish Selnes (AUS)
56 1883 Angelo Tsagarakis (AUS)
57 1866 Roy Seabrook (NZL)
58 1850 Federico Roura (NZL)
59 1848 Andrew Brockway (NZL)
60 1846 Hacer Haznedaroglu (TUR)
61 1844 Edward Rains (NZL)
62 1834 Tony Booth (NZL)
63 1830 Hamish Gold (NZL)
64 1823 Bruce Kay (NZL)
65 1807 Winston Yao (NZL)
66 1802 David Capper (NZL)
67 1802 Nigel Cooper (NZL)
68 1781 Huseyin Yeten (CYP)
69 1773 wfm Viv Smith (NZL)
70 1760 Erlend Millikan (USA)
71 1757 Stewart Holdaway (NZL)
72 1737 Tim Rains (NZL)
73 1734 wfm Nicole Tsoi (NZL)
74 1729 Kevin Brown (AUS)
75 1703 Roland Brockman (AUS)
76 1679 William XW Li (NZL)
77 1668 Elliott Renzies (AUS)
78 1652 Harry Press (AUS)
79 1621 Gary Judkins (NZL)
80 1572 Robert Clarkson (NZL)
81 1554 Leo Zhang (NZL)
82 1528 Leighton Nicholls (NZL)
83 1354 William Zhang (NZL)
84 1346 Seong-June Her (NZL)
85 939 Carlssen van Rooyen (NZL)
86 Ben Clayton (NZL)

Qbert
01-11-2011, 07:57 AM
Many thanks Q, it's great to see the field sorted in order. The Elo spread is remarkable!

Doubt I can make it this time :(
That's a shame Tony. Have you made any of the Queenstown events?

heligan
01-11-2011, 08:42 AM
A reminder that today is the last day for entries before the late entry fee kicks in...

Qbert
01-11-2011, 10:13 AM
A reminder that today is the last day for entries before the late entry fee kicks in...
I have updated the list with a few of the latest entries...

heligan
01-11-2011, 04:38 PM
Tomorrow the entry fees go up to NZ $235 (NZ $185 for Juniors), or AUS $180 (AUS $142 for juniors). Get your payment in before midnight. OK, Australian midnight...

Qbert
03-11-2011, 04:35 AM
There is an article on the event in the Southland Times (http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/5884932/Leading-chess-players-boost-for-event)

Tony Dowden
03-11-2011, 06:46 AM
That's a shame Tony. Have you made any of the Queenstown events?
No, it's one of my main unfulfilled ambitions in (chess) life.

One day though ... :cool:

Bonneville
06-11-2011, 12:47 PM
The New Zealand Chess Federation is delighted to announce official confirmation of the 2012 Queenstown Chess Classic, to be held 15th-23rd January 2012.
This event is rapidly approaching but before I enter I need to know who is already registered to play.

bergil
06-11-2011, 01:11 PM
This event is rapidly approaching but before I enter I need to know who is already registered to play.

Queenstown Entries (http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html)

Bonneville
07-11-2011, 09:32 AM
Queenstown Entries (http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html)

Thank you Bergil. I am also a fan of Man United. Is there a thread on this forum to discussion our football team?

ER
07-11-2011, 07:00 PM
Thank you Bergil. I am also a fan of Man United. Is there a thread on this forum to discussion our football team?

There is, find the football / soccer thread in the non chess category! And hurry up too, because some of the gunners mob are taking over, particularly after the 8-2 thrashing by our boys. Also Gunner Duggan had started a list of who's barracking for whom somewhere in the forum but he stopped updating since we outnumbered the opposition!
GO UNITED!

Bonneville
09-11-2011, 09:10 AM
There is, find the football / soccer thread in the non chess category! And hurry up too, because some of the gunners mob are taking over, particularly after the 8-2 thrashing by our boys. Also Gunner Duggan had started a list of who's barracking for whom somewhere in the forum but he stopped updating since we outnumbered the opposition!
GO UNITED!

What team does he support? He sounds like a Chelsea supporter, the rascal!

ER
09-11-2011, 06:49 PM
What team does he support? He sounds like a Chelsea supporter, the rascal!

Well, I can't blame him if he got a free transfer! He had enough of Arsenal and Arsene after all! :P :lol: Oh mon dieu j'ai oublié l'accent grave!
Oh here it is! Arsène Wenger (cut and paste)! :P

heligan
10-11-2011, 12:48 PM
I still have a note of a few players who are not on the entries list on the website. These are titled players who are entitled to free entry - can I please remind them all that you only get free entry if you advise us of your flight details by 1st December. No flight details, no free entry... (All GMs and WGMs are entitled to free entry, and all IMs and WIMs from Australia or New Zealand).

Denis_Jessop
10-11-2011, 08:36 PM
There is, find the football / soccer thread in the non chess category! And hurry up too, because some of the gunners mob are taking over, particularly after the 8-2 thrashing by our boys. Also Gunner Duggan had started a list of who's barracking for whom somewhere in the forum but he stopped updating since we outnumbered the opposition!
GO UNITED!

The truth of the matter is that the Man U supporters have been very quiet since they were smashed by Man City and the Arsenal rolled Chelsea which also quietened them down. :D

DJ

ER
10-11-2011, 09:14 PM
Dear Ms Milligan
Them Gunner hooligans are trying to take over the thread! Please put them in detention until their behaviour improves!
Here is the proof!

The truth of the matter is that the Man U supporters have been very quiet since they were smashed by Man City and the Arsenal rolled Chelsea which also quietened them down. DJ

:owned: :lol:

Adamski
10-11-2011, 09:19 PM
I agree with JaK that though thye are interesting to me the last set of soccer cmments have nothing to do wth the Queenstown event and should be moved to the soccer thread.

Adamski
10-11-2011, 09:19 PM
I agree with JaK that though they are interesting to me the last set of soccer comments have nothing to do wth the Queenstown event and should be moved to the soccer thread.

Adamski
10-11-2011, 09:20 PM
Back on topic, I would love to be able to make it to Queenstown again. One of my favourite places on the planet. We will see... (I do see I have missed the deadline for the lower entry fee.)

Watto
10-11-2011, 10:58 PM
Back on topic, I would love to be able to make it to Queenstown again. One of my favourite places on the planet. We will see... (I do see I have missed the deadline for the lower entry fee.)
It's my favourite tournament with the Thailand Open a close second. It's in a breathtakingly beautiful location, fantastic playing conditions, great venue and tons of Australians making the trip over. I hope we get there too. We'll have to make a final decision soon.

Max Illingworth
10-11-2011, 11:39 PM
Do any of you know if the Copthorne Hotel or Millenium Hotel have a fifty metre pool (and not just a spa)?

Adamski
10-11-2011, 11:44 PM
The Millenium is a quality hotel so I would be very surprised if it did not have a decent swimming pool. The Copthorne isn't bad either. Try googling them.

heligan
11-11-2011, 07:21 AM
I don't think either the Millennium or the Copthorne has a pool. There's a 25m pool at the Events Centre in Frankton (near the airport). Also, last time I checked, the Copthorne was fully booked for part of the period...

Rincewind
11-11-2011, 07:30 AM
There may not be a 50 m pool but there is an 80 km lake nearby. :) Seriously though, if you do want to do distance swimming in Lake Wakatipu it is essential to have a (row) boat follow you. There is a lot of powered boat traffic on the lake.

Solo
11-11-2011, 08:05 AM
I had a couple of swims at the Frankton Events Centre last time and it is the most beautiful pool I have ever swum at:) . It is 6 km from the venue towards the airport and you can catch the bus which I think is every half hour. It has lots of sports and is also the bridge venue. There is an outdoor pool at Arrowtown also, which is a delightful place about 20 km away.

heligan
11-11-2011, 10:43 AM
I've just been informed that the Millennium is also fully booked for part of the period (for the Chinese New Year).

Qbert
14-11-2011, 06:59 AM
here's the entry list updated for latest nzcf ratings & new players

rank Nov-11
1 2700 GM Li Chao (CHN)
2 2635 GM Gawain Jones (ENG)
3 2625 GM Surya Ganguly (IND)
4 2586 GM Eduardas Rozentalis (LTU)
5 2566 GM Sune Berg Hansen (DEN)
6 2564 GM Zong-Yuan Zhao (AUS)
7 2553 GM Dejan Bojkov (BUL)
8 2539 GM Zhao Xue (CHN)
9 2537 GM Klaus Bischoff (GER)
10 2440 IM George Xie (AUS)
11 2426 GM Kivanc Haznedaroglu (TUR)
12 2422 Trevor Tao (AUS)
13 2404 IM Herman Van Riemsdijk (BRA)
14 2403 GM Darryl Johansen (AUS)
15 2401 FM Max Illingworth (AUS)
16 2384 IM Stephen Solomon (AUS)
17 2376 IM Moulthun Ly (AUS)
18 2359 IM Anthony Ker (NZL)
19 2349 FM Junta Ikeda (AUS)
20 2345 FM Bobby Cheng (AUS)
21 2345 IM Russell Dive (NZL)
22 2298 IM Paul Garbett (NZL)
23 2275 FM Bob Smith (NZL)
24 2269 FM Mike Steadman (NZL)
25 2261 FM Stephen Lukey (NZL)
26 2247 Domagoj Dragicevic (AUS)
27 2234 wgm Kruttika Nadig (IND)
28 2216 Andrew Bird (AUS)
29 2210 FM Ove Hartvig (DEN)
30 2188 Eugene Schon (AUS)
31 2182 Daniel Shen (NZL)
32 2167 wgm Karolina Smokina (MDA)
33 2154 Malcolm Pyke (AUS)
34 2127 Quentin Johnson (NZL)
35 2126 Laurence Matheson (AUS)
36 2123 wim Christin Andersson (SWE)
37 2105 Luke Li (NZL)
38 2092 FM Brian Jones (AUS)
39 2087 John Duneas (NZL)
40 2079 Alan Ansell (NZL)
41 2075 wim Ingrid Lauterbach (ENG)
42 2068 John McDonald (NZL)
43 2052 Stephen Fairbairn (CAN)
44 2022 Chris Burns (NZL)
45 2013 wim Sue Maroroa (NZL)
46 2008 George Lester (AUS)
47 1999 Leon Kempen (AUS)
48 1985 Justin Davis (NZL)
49 1979 wfm Helen Milligan (NZL)
50 1977 Ari Dale (AUS)
51 1976 Karl Zelesco (AUS)
52 1976 Peter Stuart (NZL)
53 1971 Hilton Bennett (NZL)
54 1959 Adrian Flitney (AUS)
55 1958 Dennis Holland (AUS)
56 1947 Ross Jackson (NZL)
57 1939 David Lovejoy (AUS)
58 1935 Kian Hwa Lim (MAS)
59 1933 Richard Voon (AUS)
60 1924 Chris Benson (NZL)
61 1910 Bill Forster (NZL)
62 1898 Hans Gao (NZL)
63 1892 Hamish Selnes (AUS)
64 1883 Angelo Tsagarakis (AUS)
65 1872 Edward Rains (NZL)
66 1866 Roy Seabrook (NZL)
67 1850 Federico Roura (NZL)
68 1848 Andrew Brockway (NZL)
69 1846 Hacer Haznedaroglu (TUR)
70 1834 Tony Booth (NZL)
71 1830 Hamish Gold (NZL)
72 1823 Bruce Kay (NZL)
73 1807 Winston Yao (NZL)
74 1802 David Capper (NZL)
75 1802 Nigel Cooper (NZL)
76 1798 wfm Natasha Fairley (NZL)
77 1781 Huseyin Yeten (CYP)
78 1773 wfm Viv Smith (NZL)
79 1762 William Zhang (NZL)
80 1760 Erlend Millikan (USA)
81 1746 Stewart Holdaway (NZL)
82 1737 Tim Rains (NZL)
83 1734 wfm Nicole Tsoi (NZL)
84 1729 Kevin Brown (AUS)
85 1703 Roland Brockman (AUS)
86 1681 William XW Li (NZL)
87 1668 Elliott Renzies (AUS)
88 1652 Harry Press (AUS)
89 1643 Alphaeus Ang (NZL)
90 1619 Gary Judkins (NZL)
91 1618 Leighton Nicholls (NZL)
92 1587 Leo Zhang (NZL)
93 1529 Robert Clarkson (NZL)
94 1385 Seong-June Her (NZL)
95 1145 Ben Clayton (NZL)
96 1003 Carlssen van Rooyen (NZL)

CivicChessMan
14-11-2011, 10:14 AM
Great to see how many of New Zealand's top players will be competing. From the top 20 NZCF ratings, there are nine players ranked 1, 2, 6, 7, 8, 9, 13, 19 and 20 in the field.

Keong Ang
14-11-2011, 10:57 AM
For now it looks like heligan would be taking round1 honours against GM Li Chao!! :D :D

heligan
21-11-2011, 06:33 AM
I'd just like to remind people who are entitled to free entry (GMs, wgms, and Australian/New Zealand IMs and wims) that you must confirm your flight details with us before December 1st. Otherwise, you will have to pay the entry fee (including late entry fee). If your name's not on the list of entries on the website, then your entry is not confirmed.

Watto
26-11-2011, 04:57 PM
Entries are looking good: http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html

Yay, thanks to my generous new employer (who is allowing me to take a chess holiday only a few days after I start my job... job only confirmed yesterday! :)) I think Guy and I will be entering within a day or two - just have to finalise our flights. :)

Might go via Dunedin this time instead of Christchurch... never been there before. My great grandparents lived there for a while so it will be interesting to see it.

ER
27-11-2011, 01:29 AM
Entries are looking good: http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html

Yay, thanks to my generous new employer (who is allowing me to take a chess holiday only a few days after I start my job... job only confirmed yesterday! :)) I think Guy and I will be entering within a day or two - just have to finalise our flights. :)

Might go via Dunedin this time instead of Christchurch... never been there before. My great grandparents lived there for a while so it will be interesting to see it.


Fantastic news! I 'll see you guys there! :)

Watto
27-11-2011, 10:13 AM
Fantastic news! I 'll see you guys there! :)
Yeah, I'm pretty happy about it. See you in January :)

Watto
28-11-2011, 04:23 PM
Time for some more pics from the 2006 and 2009 Queenstown Chess Classics... :)
Btw, Queenstown is a vibrant town and filled with wonderful restaurants and offers all sorts of interesting activities even though my photos are mostly of the beautiful surrounding environment.

ER
28-11-2011, 06:19 PM
Time for some more pics from the 2006 and 2009 Queenstown Chess Classics... :)
Btw, Queenstown is a vibrant town and filled with wonderful restaurants and offers all sorts of interesting activities even though my photos are mostly of the beautiful surrounding environment.

Good God, am I going there to play .... chess??? Thank Almighty rounds start at 3 pm! :)

machomortensen
28-11-2011, 09:18 PM
Great pics, Watto.

I wish I could play there again...

heligan
29-11-2011, 08:56 AM
This is a final reminder for people who are entitled to free entry (GMs, wgms, and Australian/New Zealand IMs and wims) that you must confirm your flight details with us before December 1st. Otherwise, you will have to pay the entry fee (including late entry fee). If your name's not on the list of entries on the website, then your entry is not confirmed.

Qbert
01-12-2011, 08:03 AM
This is a final reminder for people who are entitled to free entry (GMs, wgms, and Australian/New Zealand IMs and wims) that you must confirm your flight details with us before December 1st. Otherwise, you will have to pay the entry fee (including late entry fee). If your name's not on the list of entries on the website, then your entry is not confirmed.
here's the field fter the second deadline - looks to be a similar size to last time, but greater NZ turnout:
1 2700 GM Li Chao (CHN)
2 2635 GM Gawain Jones (ENG)
3 2625 GM Surya Ganguly (IND)
4 2586 GM Eduardas Rozentalis (LTU)
5 2582 GM Zhao Jun (CHN)
6 2566 GM Sune Berg Hansen (DEN)
7 2553 GM Dejan Bojkov (BUL)
8 2539 GM Zhao Xue (CHN)
9 2537 GM Klaus Bischoff (GER)
10 2440 IM George Xie (AUS)
11 2426 GM Kivanc Haznedaroglu (TUR)
12 2422 Trevor Tao (AUS)
13 2404 IM Herman Van Riemsdijk (BRA)
14 2403 GM Darryl Johansen (AUS)
15 2401 FM Max Illingworth (AUS)
16 2384 IM Stephen Solomon (AUS)
17 2376 IM Moulthun Ly (AUS)
18 2359 IM Anthony Ker (NZL)
19 2349 FM Junta Ikeda (AUS)
20 2345 FM Bobby Cheng (AUS)
21 2345 IM Russell Dive (NZL)
22 2323 IM Guy West (AUS)
23 2298 IM Paul Garbett (NZL)
24 2275 FM Bob Smith (NZL)
25 2269 FM Mike Steadman (NZL)
26 2266 FM Tim Reilly (AUS)
27 2261 FM Stephen Lukey (NZL)
28 2258 wgm Xiaobing Vivian Gu (CHN)
29 2247 Domagoj Dragicevic (AUS)
30 2241 Marc Repplinger (GER)
31 2234 wgm Kruttika Nadig (IND)
32 2216 Andrew Bird (AUS)
33 2210 FM Ove Hartvig (DEN)
34 2188 Eugene Schon (AUS)
35 2182 Daniel Shen (NZL)
36 2167 wgm Karolina Smokina (MDA)
37 2154 Malcolm Pyke (AUS)
38 2129 Andy Machdoem (NZL)
39 2127 Quentin Johnson (NZL)
40 2126 Laurence Matheson (AUS)
41 2123 wim Christin Andersson (SWE)
42 2114 Yi Liu (AUS)
43 2105 Luke Li (NZL)
44 2092 FM Brian Jones (AUS)
45 2087 John Duneas (NZL)
46 2079 Alan Ansell (NZL)
47 2075 wim Ingrid Lauterbach (ENG)
48 2068 John McDonald (NZL)
49 2060 Ivan Dordevic (NZL)
50 2052 Stephen Fairbairn (CAN)
51 2036 Alek Safarian (AUS)
52 2022 Chris Burns (NZL)
53 2016 Malcolm Armstrong (ENG)
54 2013 wim Sue Maroroa (NZL)
55 2008 George Lester (AUS)
56 1999 Leon Kempen (AUS)
57 1990 wim Emma Guo (AUS)
58 1985 Justin Davis (NZL)
59 1979 wfm Helen Milligan (NZL)
60 1977 Ari Dale (AUS)
61 1976 Karl Zelesco (AUS)
62 1976 Peter Stuart (NZL)
63 1971 Hilton Bennett (NZL)
64 1959 Adrian Flitney (AUS)
65 1958 Dennis Holland (AUS)
66 1947 Ross Jackson (NZL)
67 1939 David Lovejoy (AUS)
68 1935 Kian Hwa Lim (MAS)
69 1933 Richard Voon (AUS)
70 1924 Chris Benson (NZL)
71 1910 Bill Forster (NZL)
72 1898 Hans Gao (NZL)
73 1892 Hamish Selnes (AUS)
74 1883 Angelo Tsagarakis (AUS)
75 1872 Edward Rains (NZL)
76 1866 Roy Seabrook (NZL)
77 1850 Federico Roura (NZL)
78 1848 Andrew Brockway (NZL)
79 1846 Hacer Haznedaroglu (TUR)
80 1834 Tony Booth (NZL)
81 1830 Hamish Gold (NZL)
82 1823 Bruce Kay (NZL)
83 1807 Winston Yao (NZL)
84 1802 David Capper (NZL)
85 1802 Nigel Cooper (NZL)
86 1798 wfm Natasha Fairley (NZL)
87 1781 Huseyin Yeten (CYP)
88 1773 wfm Viv Smith (NZL)
89 1762 William Zhang (NZL)
90 1760 Erlend Millikan (USA)
91 1746 Stewart Holdaway (NZL)
92 1737 Tim Rains (NZL)
93 1734 wfm Nicole Tsoi (NZL)
94 1729 Kevin Brown (AUS)
95 1724 John Beckman (AUS)
96 1703 Roland Brockman (AUS)
97 1681 William XW Li (NZL)
98 1677 Ryan Louie (AUS)
99 1668 Elliott Renzies (AUS)
100 1652 Harry Press (AUS)
101 1643 Alphaeus Ang (NZL)
102 1619 Gary Judkins (NZL)
103 1618 Leighton Nicholls (NZL)
104 1587 Leo Zhang (NZL)
105 1571 Jean Watson (AUS)
106 1529 Robert Clarkson (NZL)
107 1395 Jamie-Lee Guo (AUS)
108 1385 Seong-June Her (NZL)
109 1145 Ben Clayton (NZL)
110 1003 Carlssen van Rooyen (NZL)

heligan
01-12-2011, 09:44 AM
Zong-Yuan Zhao withdrew due to work commitments.

Qbert
01-12-2011, 10:14 AM
Zong-Yuan Zhao withdrew due to work commitments.
A shame, but I have edited the list.

Davidflude
04-12-2011, 10:30 PM
The field is tremendously strong. Can someone who is involved with the tournament please send me an up to date memo. I will then seek permission from appropriate persons to distribute it to the Chess Victoria and Box Hill Chess Club mailing lists.

My email is davidflude@pacific.net.au

heligan
05-12-2011, 05:54 AM
All the information about the event is freely available to the world at the website, www.queenstownchess.com. Not really sure what you mean by an up-to-date memo... all people need is the URL!

ER
05-12-2011, 11:13 AM
All the information about the event is freely available to the world at the website, www.queenstownchess.com. Not really sure what you mean by an up-to-date memo... all people need is the URL!

I don't think Fludey is sure what he means either! :P What I am certain about is that until he gets permission by some of his "authorised persons" to promote the tournament, holidays etc, Queenstown will be well and trully over! :owned:

Watto
05-12-2011, 02:05 PM
I don't think Fludey is sure what he means either!
I think he likes to put text provided by organisers in the body of the emails he sends to his mailing lists rather than use attachments as he's had problems with them in the past. But as heligan says, the URL is all he needs: www.queenstownchess.com

ER
05-12-2011, 02:30 PM
I think he likes to put text provided by organisers in the body of the emails he sends to his mailing lists rather than use attachments as he's had problems with them in the past. But as heligan says, the URL is all he needs: www.queenstownchess.com

Jeannnnnnnnnnn, without the :P smiley in the end, you 're making my quote look so so so so ... serious? :lol:

Watto
05-12-2011, 03:10 PM
Jeannnnnnnnnnn, without the :P smiley in the end, you 're making my quote look so so so so ... serious? :lol:
Don't worry, it doesn't look as serious (earnest) as mine... ;)

Watto
12-12-2011, 09:05 AM
Entries are over 120 now. An impressive field...
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html

heligan
28-12-2011, 01:38 PM
A reminder that the entry fee goes up again on 1st January. If you are still toying with the idea, then now would be a very good time to get your entry in!

Adamski
28-12-2011, 11:10 PM
Great pics, Watto.

I wish I could play there again...
Ditto x 2. Not 2012 though...:(

Adamski
28-12-2011, 11:12 PM
Entries are over 120 now. An impressive field...
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/entries.html
It surely is!

Tony Dowden
30-12-2011, 05:46 PM
Yes, I think there's 136 entries to date (edit: now up to 137) - a healthy improvement over QC2 :cool:

There's a stunning Aussie contingent which may explain a somewhat lower turnout for the current Aussie Ch'p in Geelong.

ER
30-12-2011, 08:28 PM
I wonder what was so special in 2006 and the tournament reached that huge no. of participants!
What can we do to try to set a new record?

Tony Dowden
30-12-2011, 10:17 PM
I wonder what was so special in 2006 and the tournament reached that huge no. of participants ... [

Easy, no GFC

Qbert
01-01-2012, 06:40 AM
Here's the latest list with Jan 12 ratings
1 2693 GM Li Chao (CHN)
2 2653 GM Gawain Jones (ENG)
3 2639 GM Surya Ganguly (IND)
4 2592 GM Eduardas Rozentalis (LTU)
5 2572 GM Sune Berg Hansen (DEN)
6 2569 GM Zhao Jun (CHN)
7 2553 GM Dejan Bojkov (BUL)
8 2551 GM Zhao Xue (CHN)
9 2537 GM Klaus Bischoff (GER)
10 2459 IM George Xie (AUS)
11 2455 GM Kivanc Haznedaroglu (TUR)
12 2422 Trevor Tao (AUS)
13 2414 IM Akshat Khamparia (IND)
14 2403 GM Darryl Johansen (AUS)
15 2401 IM Herman Van Riemsdijk (BRA)
16 2388 FM Max Illingworth (AUS)
17 2376 IM Moulthun Ly (AUS)
18 2375 IM Stephen Solomon (AUS)
19 2375 FM Bobby Cheng (AUS)
20 2359 IM Anthony Ker (NZL)
21 2354 IM James Morris (AUS)
22 2349 FM Junta Ikeda (AUS)
23 2345 IM Russell Dive (NZL)
24 2325 wgm Irene Sukandar (INA)
25 2323 IM Guy West (AUS)
26 2294 FM Dusan Stojic (AUS)
27 2290 IM Paul Garbett (NZL)
28 2277 Domagoj Dragicevic (AUS)
29 2273 FM Bob Smith (NZL)
30 2266 FM Tim Reilly (AUS)
31 2261 FM Stephen Lukey (NZL)
32 2259 FM Chris Wallis (AUS)
33 2258 FM Mike Steadman (NZL)
34 2244 wgm Xiaobing Vivian Gu (CHN)
35 2241 Marc Repplinger (GER)
36 2234 wgm Kruttika Nadig (IND)
37 2216 Andrew Bird (AUS)
38 2215 IM Andrew Brown (AUS)
39 2210 FM Ove Hartvig (DEN)
40 2188 Eugene Schon (AUS)
41 2182 Daniel Shen (NZL)
42 2167 wgm Karolina Smokina (MDA)
43 2167 Laurence Matheson (AUS)
44 2167 Yi Liu (AUS)
45 2165 Luke Li (NZL)
46 2132 Malcolm Pyke (AUS)
47 2129 Andy Machdoem (NZL)
48 2127 Quentin Johnson (NZL)
49 2123 wim Christin Andersson (SWE)
50 2092 FM Brian Jones (AUS)
51 2087 John Duneas (NZL)
52 2079 Alan Ansell (NZL)
53 2068 John McDonald (NZL)
54 2066 Noel Pinic (NZL)
55 2060 Ivan Dordevic (NZL)
56 2056 Pengyu Chen (AUS)
57 2053 wim Ingrid Lauterbach (ENG)
58 2052 Stephen Fairbairn (CAN)
59 2036 Alek Safarian (AUS)
60 2031 Fuatai Fuatai (NZL)
61 2030 Jason Tang (AUS)
62 2022 Chris Burns (NZL)
63 2020 wim Sue Maroroa (NZL)
64 2016 Malcolm Armstrong (ENG)
65 2010 wim Emma Guo (AUS)
66 2008 George Lester (AUS)
67 1999 Leon Kempen (AUS)
68 1994 Ari Dale (AUS)
69 1991 Peter Stuart (NZL)
70 1990 Karl Zelesco (AUS)
71 1989 Andrew Janisz (NZL)
72 1985 Justin Davis (NZL)
73 1979 wfm Helen Milligan (NZL)
74 1965 Hilton Bennett (NZL)
75 1961 Mathew King (NZL)
76 1959 Adrian Flitney (AUS)
77 1958 Dennis Holland (AUS)
78 1947 Ross Jackson (NZL)
79 1939 David Lovejoy (AUS)
80 1933 Richard Voon (AUS)
81 1924 Chris Benson (NZL)
82 1924 Hans Gao (NZL)
83 1922 Kian Hwa Lim (MAS)
84 1916 Matthias Körber (GER)
85 1914 Kenneth Holt (AUS)
86 1910 Bill Forster (NZL)
87 1908 Hamish Selnes (AUS)
88 1884 Harry Press (AUS)
89 1883 Angelo Tsagarakis (AUS)
90 1873 Roy Seabrook (NZL)
91 1872 Edward Rains (NZL)
92 1865 Efrain Tionko (AUS)
93 1850 Federico Roura (NZL)
94 1849 William Zhang (NZL)
95 1848 Andrew Brockway (NZL)
96 1846 Hacer Haznedaroglu (TUR)
97 1834 Tony Booth (NZL)
98 1834 Arie Nijman (NZL)
99 1830 Hamish Gold (NZL)
100 1823 Bruce Kay (NZL)
101 1807 Winston Yao (NZL)
102 1802 David Capper (NZL)
103 1802 Nigel Cooper (NZL)
104 1798 wfm Natasha Fairley (NZL)
105 1787 Bruce Gloistein (NZL)
106 1781 Huseyin Yeten (CYP)
107 1771 Enzo Pieri (ITA)
108 1760 Erlend Millikan (USA)
109 1752 wfm Viv Smith (NZL)
110 1746 Stewart Holdaway (NZL)
111 1737 Tim Rains (NZL)
112 1728 Kevin Brown (AUS)
113 1719 John Beckman (AUS)
114 1715 wfm Nicole Tsoi (NZL)
115 1703 Roland Brockman (AUS)
116 1681 William XW Li (NZL)
117 1677 Ryan Louie (AUS)
118 1672 Bob Mitchell (NZL)
119 1668 Elliott Renzies (AUS)
120 1643 Alphaeus Ang (NZL)
121 1643 Leteisha Simmonds (AUS)
122 1619 Gary Judkins (NZL)
123 1618 Leighton Nicholls (NZL)
124 1587 Leo Zhang (NZL)
125 1581 Shanon Vuglar (AUS)
126 1571 Jean Watson (AUS)
127 1529 Robert Clarkson (NZL)
128 1495 Hamish Shierlaw (NZL)
129 1385 Seong-June Her (NZL)
130 1379 Jamie-Lee Guo (AUS)
131 1284 Jack Hughes (AUS)
132 1230 Jared Louie (AUS)
133 1145 Ben Clayton (NZL)
134 1006 Brian Liu (NZL)
135 1003 Carlssen van Rooyen (NZL)
136 Maris Cekulis (AUS)

ER
01-01-2012, 10:40 AM
Easy, no GFC
Hi Tony, is that like our GST? :doh:

ChrisBurns
01-01-2012, 11:32 AM
Here's the latest list with Jan 12 ratings
1 2693 GM Li Chao (CHN)
2 2653 GM Gawain Jones (ENG)
3 2639 GM Surya Ganguly (IND)
4 2592 GM Eduardas Rozentalis (LTU)
5 2572 GM Sune Berg Hansen (DEN)
6 2569 GM Zhao Jun (CHN)
7 2553 GM Dejan Bojkov (BUL)
8 2551 GM Zhao Xue (CHN)
9 2537 GM Klaus Bischoff (GER)
10 2459 IM George Xie (AUS)
11 2455 GM Kivanc Haznedaroglu (TUR)
12 2422 Trevor Tao (AUS)
13 2414 IM Akshat Khamparia (IND)
14 2403 GM Darryl Johansen (AUS)
15 2401 IM Herman Van Riemsdijk (BRA)
16 2388 FM Max Illingworth (AUS)
17 2376 IM Moulthun Ly (AUS)
18 2375 IM Stephen Solomon (AUS)
19 2375 FM Bobby Cheng (AUS)
20 2359 IM Anthony Ker (NZL)
21 2354 IM James Morris (AUS)
22 2349 FM Junta Ikeda (AUS)
23 2345 IM Russell Dive (NZL)
24 2325 wgm Irene Sukandar (INA)
25 2323 IM Guy West (AUS)
26 2294 FM Dusan Stojic (AUS)
27 2290 IM Paul Garbett (NZL)
28 2277 Domagoj Dragicevic (AUS)
29 2273 FM Bob Smith (NZL)
30 2266 FM Tim Reilly (AUS)
31 2261 FM Stephen Lukey (NZL)
32 2259 FM Chris Wallis (AUS)
33 2258 FM Mike Steadman (NZL)
34 2244 wgm Xiaobing Vivian Gu (CHN)
35 2241 Marc Repplinger (GER)
36 2234 wgm Kruttika Nadig (IND)
37 2216 Andrew Bird (AUS)
38 2215 IM Andrew Brown (AUS)
39 2210 FM Ove Hartvig (DEN)
40 2188 Eugene Schon (AUS)
41 2182 Daniel Shen (NZL)
42 2167 wgm Karolina Smokina (MDA)
43 2167 Laurence Matheson (AUS)
44 2167 Yi Liu (AUS)
45 2165 Luke Li (NZL)
46 2132 Malcolm Pyke (AUS)
47 2129 Andy Machdoem (NZL)
48 2127 Quentin Johnson (NZL)
49 2123 wim Christin Andersson (SWE)
50 2092 FM Brian Jones (AUS)
51 2087 John Duneas (NZL)
52 2079 Alan Ansell (NZL)
53 2068 John McDonald (NZL)
54 2066 Noel Pinic (NZL)
55 2060 Ivan Dordevic (NZL)
56 2056 Pengyu Chen (AUS)
57 2053 wim Ingrid Lauterbach (ENG)
58 2052 Stephen Fairbairn (CAN)
59 2036 Alek Safarian (AUS)
60 2031 Fuatai Fuatai (NZL)
61 2030 Jason Tang (AUS)
62 2022 Chris Burns (NZL)
63 2020 wim Sue Maroroa (NZL)
64 2016 Malcolm Armstrong (ENG)
65 2010 wim Emma Guo (AUS)
66 2008 George Lester (AUS)
67 1999 Leon Kempen (AUS)
68 1994 Ari Dale (AUS)
69 1991 Peter Stuart (NZL)
70 1990 Karl Zelesco (AUS)
71 1989 Andrew Janisz (NZL)
72 1985 Justin Davis (NZL)
73 1979 wfm Helen Milligan (NZL)
74 1965 Hilton Bennett (NZL)
75 1961 Mathew King (NZL)
76 1959 Adrian Flitney (AUS)
77 1958 Dennis Holland (AUS)
78 1947 Ross Jackson (NZL)
79 1939 David Lovejoy (AUS)
80 1933 Richard Voon (AUS)
81 1924 Chris Benson (NZL)
82 1924 Hans Gao (NZL)
83 1922 Kian Hwa Lim (MAS)
84 1916 Matthias Körber (GER)
85 1914 Kenneth Holt (AUS)
86 1910 Bill Forster (NZL)
87 1908 Hamish Selnes (AUS)
88 1884 Harry Press (AUS)
89 1883 Angelo Tsagarakis (AUS)
90 1873 Roy Seabrook (NZL)
91 1872 Edward Rains (NZL)
92 1865 Efrain Tionko (AUS)
93 1850 Federico Roura (NZL)
94 1849 William Zhang (NZL)
95 1848 Andrew Brockway (NZL)
96 1846 Hacer Haznedaroglu (TUR)
97 1834 Tony Booth (NZL)
98 1834 Arie Nijman (NZL)
99 1830 Hamish Gold (NZL)
100 1823 Bruce Kay (NZL)
101 1807 Winston Yao (NZL)
102 1802 David Capper (NZL)
103 1802 Nigel Cooper (NZL)
104 1798 wfm Natasha Fairley (NZL)
105 1787 Bruce Gloistein (NZL)
106 1781 Huseyin Yeten (CYP)
107 1771 Enzo Pieri (ITA)
108 1760 Erlend Millikan (USA)
109 1752 wfm Viv Smith (NZL)
110 1746 Stewart Holdaway (NZL)
111 1737 Tim Rains (NZL)
112 1728 Kevin Brown (AUS)
113 1719 John Beckman (AUS)
114 1715 wfm Nicole Tsoi (NZL)
115 1703 Roland Brockman (AUS)
116 1681 William XW Li (NZL)
117 1677 Ryan Louie (AUS)
118 1672 Bob Mitchell (NZL)
119 1668 Elliott Renzies (AUS)
120 1643 Alphaeus Ang (NZL)
121 1643 Leteisha Simmonds (AUS)
122 1619 Gary Judkins (NZL)
123 1618 Leighton Nicholls (NZL)
124 1587 Leo Zhang (NZL)
125 1581 Shanon Vuglar (AUS)
126 1571 Jean Watson (AUS)
127 1529 Robert Clarkson (NZL)
128 1495 Hamish Shierlaw (NZL)
129 1385 Seong-June Her (NZL)
130 1379 Jamie-Lee Guo (AUS)
131 1284 Jack Hughes (AUS)
132 1230 Jared Louie (AUS)
133 1145 Ben Clayton (NZL)
134 1006 Brian Liu (NZL)
135 1003 Carlssen van Rooyen (NZL)
136 Maris Cekulis (AUS)
Thanks for the updated list, thankfully I am still above the half way mark and I can't imagine the situation changing too much now.Does any one know if the previous Quuenstown events had people entering on the day?

heligan
01-01-2012, 12:06 PM
You can enter on the day (or the day before, at any rate - registration is 6-8pm at the venue on the 14th). But please note that the entry fees go up tomorrow to NZ $270 and entering 'on the day' will cost you NZ $325. All the more reason to get your entry in today...

I have another handful of people 'in limbo' while I wait for the entry fee payments to be confirmed. Strange, no-one seems to be working today! There is a slightly more recent list up on the website, www.queenstownchess.com (though I don't have AUS national ratings for the bunch at the bottom).

Craig_Hall
02-01-2012, 12:51 PM
Hi Tony, is that like our GST? :doh:

I'm not Tony, but we already have GST (have had since 1985 or so), so he didn't mean that...

My guess about the size of the fields relative to the first one is that the first one attracted people as being a once-in-a-lifetime experience, whereas more recent editions don't have that same appeal.

Tony Dowden
02-01-2012, 04:07 PM
Hi Tony, is that like our GST? :doh:

No, GFC is 'Global Financial Crisis'

Tony Dowden
02-01-2012, 04:08 PM
I'm not Tony, but we already have GST (have had since 1985 or so), so he didn't mean that...

My guess about the size of the fields relative to the first one is that the first one attracted people as being a once-in-a-lifetime experience, whereas more recent editions don't have that same appeal.

Yes, that too Craig

Garrett
03-01-2012, 09:13 AM
Looking forward to this tournament !

Will there be a book stall at the tournament ?

cheers
Garrett.

heligan
03-01-2012, 09:33 AM
There will be a bookstall - mainly Gambit titles I believe, and possibly some second-hand books.

ER
03-01-2012, 06:30 PM
I'm not Tony, but we already have GST (have had since 1985 or so), so he didn't mean that...

My guess about the size of the fields relative to the first one is that the first one attracted people as being a once-in-a-lifetime experience, whereas more recent editions don't have that same appeal.

Oh ok thanks! :)


No, GFC is 'Global Financial Crisis'

Crisis? what crisis? :P :owned: :lol:

Tony Dowden
03-01-2012, 07:13 PM
... (though I don't have AUS national ratings for the bunch at the bottom).

Here are three of them Helen:

Jared Louie (QLD) 1434
Jaime-Lee Guo (ACT) 1379
Jack Hughes (VIC) 1351

Garrett
04-01-2012, 05:31 AM
There will be a bookstall - mainly Gambit titles I believe, and possibly some second-hand books.

Thanks Helen, I will leave some space in my luggage !

Garrett
05-01-2012, 10:40 AM
Well with a few days to go it is looking like there are

52 Australians and
59 New Zealanders competing.

With the Australian's having a few slightly higher rated players (leaving the rest as home-guard under Duke Underpants to look after the baggage camp and the chesschat servers) the total aggregate scores between the countries could be quite close.

Come on Kiwi's, dont risk the Australians bossing you around in your own backyard (again). :D

ER
05-01-2012, 10:49 AM
(leaving the rest as home-guard under Duke Underpants to look after the baggage camp and the chesschat servers)

Classic!

http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/smileys/lol-049.gif (http://www.easyfreesmileys.com/facebook-smileys.html)

Adamski
05-01-2012, 02:44 PM
With the Australian's having a few slightly higher rated players (leaving the rest as home-guard under Duke Underpants to look after the baggage camp and the chesschat servers) the total aggregate scores between the countries could be quite close.

Come on Kiwi's, dont risk the Australians bossing you around in your own backyard (again). :D

Is this fella now AKA Captain Undies' duke? Not even from the same state!

119 1668 Elliott Renzies (AUS).

Bereaved
10-01-2012, 10:08 AM
Hi everyone,

So who's pumped for this event? My mirror shows me one person :)

Take care and God bless, Bereaved

Garrett
10-01-2012, 10:50 AM
Hi everyone,

So who's pumped for this event? My mirror shows me one person :)

Take care and God bless, Bereaved

Hi Mac !

I've been 99% pumped for a few weeks and the stinking near 40 degree humidity in western Brisbane just pushed me over the top.

See you there.

EBT
11-01-2012, 08:11 AM
When will entries close for this tournament?

heligan
11-01-2012, 08:38 AM
You can enter at the venue during registration, 6-8pm on the 14th. Not later. Please note that the entry fee at that point will be NZ$ 325.

heligan
12-01-2012, 10:35 AM
There are now 143 entries. See www.queenstownchess.com. Let me know if any ratings are wrong (I haven't checked them thoroughly and I've already been told to fix some!). The entry list is NOT meant to give first round pairing; that won't be settled until after registration. Might give you an idea though!

Vlad
12-01-2012, 11:35 AM
45 2167 Yi Liu (AUS)

I am pretty sure that it is Yi's ACF rating, his fide somewhere 2070-2080.

heligan
12-01-2012, 12:11 PM
Thanks Vlad - fixed now. Strangely, if you search yi liu or liu yi in the FIDE online system, you get told there are no such players!

ER
12-01-2012, 12:34 PM
Is this fella now AKA Captain Undies' duke? Not even from the same state!

119 1668 Elliott Renzies (AUS).

LOL :lol:

Mischa
12-01-2012, 03:20 PM
James and Malcolm left this am
India and I leave on Sunday

ER
12-01-2012, 04:49 PM
look at the bloody weather forecast!

http://www.holiday-weather.com/queenstown/forecast/seven-day/

Seems like we have to wait till Thu to see some decent sunlight!

Garrett
12-01-2012, 04:53 PM
with the way Brisbane has been (40 deg, 90% humidity) , I am friggin looking forward to some cold miserable rainy weather.

Bring it on !! (hope it's like the first half of the zonal)

cheers Garrett.

ER
12-01-2012, 05:02 PM
with the way Brisbane has been (40 deg, 90% humidity) , I am friggin looking forward to some cold miserable rainy weather.

Bring it on !! (hope it's like the first half of the zonal)

cheers Garrett.


OK skipper, let's go get them! :) :lol:

(had forgotten about chess)! :doh:

that Caesar guy
12-01-2012, 07:57 PM
Well Queenstown today was overcast and rainy, but surprisingly beautiful. If this weather was anywhere else, it would suck. But this place makes it work; I have high hopes for this little town :D

Rincewind
12-01-2012, 08:03 PM
I have high hopes for this little town :D

Any place you can get a Fergburger just about any time of the day or night is good in my books.

antichrist
12-01-2012, 08:04 PM
Well Queenstown today was overcast and rainy, but surprisingly beautiful. If this weather was anywhere else, it would suck. But this place makes it work; I have high hopes for this little town :D

are they warming up for the Hukka?

Mischa
12-01-2012, 10:54 PM
India and I are off to circumnavigate NZ during the tourny...will wave as we pass Queenstown

Mischa
12-01-2012, 10:58 PM
Well Queenstown today was overcast and rainy, but surprisingly beautiful. If this weather was anywhere else, it would suck. But this place makes it work; I have high hopes for this little town :D


Glad to see you made it OK
Good luck honey...

Watto
12-01-2012, 11:08 PM
Thanks Vlad - fixed now. Strangely, if you search yi liu or liu yi in the FIDE online system, you get told there are no such players!
Working okay now although it wasn't earlier as I was also looking for the FIDE rating of a friend and it wasn't there (but is now)

Watto
12-01-2012, 11:09 PM
Well Queenstown today was overcast and rainy, but surprisingly beautiful. If this weather was anywhere else, it would suck. But this place makes it work; I have high hopes for this little town :D
I'm so pleased we're going to be there otherwise this post would make me very jealous! It's a beautiful place, isn't it.

Adamski
14-01-2012, 02:30 PM
Very much looking forward to following the tournament (mainly after work). It is an extremely strong field! Go Max! (And congrats on winning the Steiner Medal mate!)

heligan
14-01-2012, 06:30 PM
The tournament is being reported on chess-results.com and you can see the first round pairings now:
http://www.chess-results.com/tnr63826.aspx?lan=1

Kevin Bonham
14-01-2012, 06:42 PM
Nice easy one for Zelesco first round then. :P

Adamski
14-01-2012, 09:26 PM
Nice easy one for Zelesco first round then. :P
LOL. He didn't take long to make it to board 1!

Bollard
15-01-2012, 06:32 AM
Why are so many not paired in the first round, as opposed to byes? Were they late entries?

heligan
15-01-2012, 06:40 AM
People who didn't turn up to registration (and hadn't told the organisers in advance that they would be absent) are unpaired. So are those who are not arriving until later in the event (a couple of people I think fall into this category). I don't know for certain if they will be paired against each other when/if they turn up this afternoon, but I think it's likely.

ER
15-01-2012, 07:24 AM
LOL. He didn't take long to make it to board 1!

Give Karl some time and don't be surprised if he is a permanent holder of that particular board! :)

Wonderful place here!

Really magnificent!

Went for a long walk down the lake this morning.

Air so fresh and clean, water so clear, fantastic mountain views!

Got myself a weekly bus ticket and go around town and surroundings!

The venue is great, I am sure everyone will have a good time here!

Off for some sight seeing!

ER
15-01-2012, 07:33 AM
Hi Henrik, yes I am playing! Haven't seen the draw yet though!

Bollard
15-01-2012, 07:45 AM
Good luck to all participants, but especially the Australian contingent.

I'm sure the Kiwi's are making you all welcome.

Craig_Hall
15-01-2012, 09:09 AM
Why are so many not paired in the first round, as opposed to byes? Were they late entries?

As Helen said, players who didn't register the night before have not been paired. We will do a second pairing of late registrations (a couple of these were organiser error and Paul apologises for that) at 2pm.

Agent Smith
15-01-2012, 11:46 AM
Any place you can get a Fergburger just about any time of the day or night is good in my books.
Did you say Fergburger :cool: You bar*tard
Good luck :P

Carl Gorka
15-01-2012, 11:05 PM
I'm supporting (http://gorkachc.blogspot.com/2012/01/im-back.html)the English...go Gawain!

MichaelBaron
15-01-2012, 11:52 PM
Well done to Watto beating a highly rated opponent!:clap:

NRMASIFD&GKFKBBK
17-01-2012, 12:51 AM
Interesting report about the tournament at Chessbase.com. The following passage particularly caught my attnetion:


It surely qualifies as one of the World’s most remote – and stunningly beautiful – locations for an international chess tournament. Queenstown, in the Southern Lakes area of the South Island of New Zealand, this year attracted 148 adventurous players, plus accompanying friends and family. The tournament – sponsored by GM Murray Chandler – is held at three year intervals (2006, 2009 and 2012). While there is a certain logistical challenge involved (Queenstown doesn’t even have a chess club), the organizers now have a super-smooth routine in place in bringing in officials and equipment.

Or so they thought. This time, disaster struck. Nearing the end of a 1500 km three-day journey from Auckland, the Hammer hardware van containing most of the tournament equipment – clocks, chess sets, computers, DGT boards…) was smashed beyond repair by an out of control oncoming vehicle. Chief organizer Paul Spiller and his wife Joanne were lucky to escape unscathed. They were taken to hospital by emergency services for check-ups, and for a few tense hours the fate of the tournament equipment remained in doubt. Fortunately the day was saved by the salvage company agreeing to bring the written-off vehicle to Queenstown (some 60 km away), where passing GMs pitched in to help unload.

I certainly was not aware of the tribulations faced by the organisers - don't think they have been mentioned on this forum. It's a tribute to the organisers that the tournament has appeared to have run smoothly in spite of this incident.

All the best of luck to the organisers and to the players.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7843

Kevin Bonham
17-01-2012, 01:15 AM
A scary thing to happen and well done to the organisers for managing to get around it.

Adamski
17-01-2012, 06:07 AM
A scary thing to happen and well done to the organisers for managing to get around it.
Seconded. I know Paul. Are he and his wife ok?

Keong Ang
17-01-2012, 12:17 PM
Seconded. I know Paul. Are he and his wife ok?

Both are a bit bruised and very shaken but overall OK.

Keong Ang
17-01-2012, 12:33 PM
Some destroyed equipment though.
Still discovering clocks that got faulty due to van smash.

Main live broadcast computer and broadcast DGT XL clocks took a beating in the accident.
Fortunately, the backup laptops survived the smash and the DGT eboards survived (thanks to DGT XL clocks sacrifice). :eek:

Next time we run one of these things, we'd make sure backup equipment are not packed into the same vehicle and would be transported separately.

Please enjoy the live broadcast games and live blog.
By some miracle enough equipment survived to be to bring you all these games.

Keong Ang
17-01-2012, 12:48 PM
For those who are tech inclined, some details:

7 DGT eboards, 6 serial and 1 USB.
connected to a P4 laptop that is ancient enough to have a serial port as well as USB ports.
running 32bit Ubuntu 10.04LTS operating system.
Broadcast with DGT Livechess 1.1

DGT XL clocks linked to DGT boards to give live time, as well as time stamping all the moves in PGN file.

We have a mixture of DGT XL, DGT2010 and DGT2000 clocks in the tournament. With DGT XL as the only clocks capable of being plugged into the broadcast eboards.

All clocks have their move counters (clock lever press counters) set as per FIDE requirements to handle the triple time control rate of play i.e.
100 minutes for each player for the first 40 moves followed by 50 minutes for next 20 moves followed by 15 minutes for all remaining moves, plus 30 seconds increment for each move from move 1.

For those of you following the live games, this means the time shown is the exact time remaining for the player to make the next move.

Also, all Dutch swiss pairings are done with Swiss Manager and checked with Vega (with JaVaFo engine).


Enjoy Queenstown Chess Classic 2012.
:D

Bollard
17-01-2012, 04:02 PM
Always good to hear the technical details behind a successfully run tournament. Makes you realize the significant investment (equipment and people to run it) that is required to make a modern tournament run smoothly.

ER
17-01-2012, 04:42 PM
I met Mr Paul Spiller the other day, he is indeed a nice gentleman and so is Mr Keong Ang with whom I engaged in a short but meaningful conversation earlier this afternoon!

I also met Mr Shaun Press who was very helpful in letting me know names of various officials present during the opening ceremony!

All in all a very smoothly run event so far!

ER
17-01-2012, 05:16 PM
Look guys let's face it! Important events without Erik playing aren't the same!
Erik you didn't play in Aus Championship, and you didn't show up in Queenstown!
I hope I will see you playing in either Doeberl or Parra!
C' mon man come out of hiding and giv' em a run for their money!

Tony Dowden
17-01-2012, 07:12 PM
Both are a bit bruised and very shaken but overall OK.

Good to hear they are both OK after that 'hammering'

Tony Dowden
17-01-2012, 07:20 PM
Look guys let's face it! Important events without Erik playing aren't the same!
Erik you didn't play in Aus Championship, and you didn't show up in Queenstown!
I hope I will see you playing in either Doeberl or Parra!
C' mon man come out of hiding and giv' em a run for their money!
Who is Erik? (Is he kind've like Eddie the Eagle from the Winter Olympics?)

Desmond
17-01-2012, 07:42 PM
Please enjoy the live broadcast games and live blog.
By some miracle enough equipment survived to be to bring you all these games.Fantastic effort, and definitely appreciated. :D

Adamski
18-01-2012, 12:01 AM
Fantastic effort, and definitely appreciated. :D
Absolutely fabulous. Pleased the accident was not worse as it so easily could have been. Live boards have been working really well!:clap:

Keong Ang
18-01-2012, 12:28 PM
Absolutely fabulous. Pleased the accident was not worse as it so easily could have been. Live boards have been working really well!:clap:

Due to requests, players title and rating are broadcast too.
Hope this does not mess up the PGN file though. :hmm:

ER
18-01-2012, 03:03 PM
Who is Erik? (Is he kind've like Eddie the Eagle from the Winter Olympics?)

:lol: I know that Erik (FM Erik Teichmann) in addition to his other many talents is a fitness fanatic and has walked his way across the Pyreenes (Spain) at least once!

I know, also, that he has a great sense of humour and would laugh with your queerie above!

Erik is currently 17th in the ACF's list of our top players and he is well known for his tenacity and resourcefullness during his games!

BTW a no. of Kiwis, wonder what on earth are you doing in Australia and ask when are you going back to God's Own Land?

Kevin Bonham
20-01-2012, 12:35 AM
Fine effort by Chris Wallis against GM Jones today, eventually mating the GM on move 100 with KNB vs K.

Also notable that Darryl cleaned up the higher-rated GM Bischoff who messed up a drawn rook against rook and F+H pawns ending. The main losing move was 58...Rc5 when 58...Rb1 or Rb2 continuing to check from behind the pawns would still have drawn with best play (56.Ra7+ was an earlier missed win). I lost a club game a few years ago in the same way!

Capablanca-Fan
20-01-2012, 03:13 AM
Fine effort by Chris Wallis against GM Jones today, eventually mating the GM on move 100 with KNB vs K.
Nice play, picking of Black's four Ps one by one. The middlegame and transition to the endgame looked double-edged, but White's passed pawns proved much quicker than Black's.


Also notable that Darryl cleaned up the higher-rated GM Bischoff who messed up a drawn rook against rook and F+H pawns ending. The main losing move was 58...Rc5 when 58...Rb1 or Rb2 continuing to check from behind the pawns would still have drawn with best play (56.Ra7+ was an earlier missed win). I lost a club game a few years ago in the same way!
Darryl's certainly on a roll! Excellent result, for sure. I also wonder about his 27. Qe2. Dvoretsky cites Znosko-Borovsky pointing out that after a P grab with the Q, sometimes it should be maintained in its active position where it helps restrict enemy forces. 27. a4 seems better. It was a shame to lose that outside passer, with all the drawing possibilities of pawns on one wing.

Keong Ang
20-01-2012, 01:03 PM
A case for setting the move counter and letting the clock lock-up in multi time controls occurred during round5 on board5.

From an arbiter's perspective, it doesn't make a "perfect example" but for running a tournament it's great as no dispute arose.

As black had made the move and was about to press the clock, time ran out. Flag fell and clock locked up.
It was the first time control so having the DGT XL lock up essentially ended the game. Also since it was broadcast live, the clock times are stored, you can download the pgn files.

Having the clock lock up simplified the task, both players did not have any dispute. Also as an arbiter, it was unnecessary for me to go over there, in the middle of an exciting game, and explain that black lost on time.

Now, if the move counters were not set, the 2nd time control would have been displayed, giving an extra 50 minutes, and then it would have been my unhappy task to walk over and end the game and then explain to a possibly perplexed player(s) about loss on time even though the clock says there's 50minutes left.
In this case, there can be no argument because the scoresheet and electronic records are all in agreement.

Think I should make a more appropriate post regarding move counters in the relevant Arbiter's Corner thread.

Metro
20-01-2012, 04:54 PM
Look guys let's face it! Important events without Erik playing aren't the same!
Erik you didn't play in Aus Championship
He is registered with the English Chess Federation *so may not qualify.I know he shares his time between England and Australia but would he qualify as a permanent resident?

*http://ratings.fide.com/card.phtml?event=401269

Tony Dowden
20-01-2012, 06:13 PM
:lol: I know that Erik (FM Erik Teichmann) ... Erik is currently 17th in the ACF's list of our top players and he is well known for his tenacity and resourcefullness during his games!
Oh yeah, FM Erik (ENG). I forgot he was about.


BTW a no. of Kiwis, wonder what on earth are you doing in Australia and ask when are you going back to God's Own Land?
Pretty simple really: I have an academic career and that necessitates being mobile (as family allows). Dunno if I'll be 'go back' to NZ as such but I'm still keen to visit fairly regularly.

I was amused I was the answer to the trivia question the other day :lol: (I have lived in Tasmania for nearly 12 years: 1960-1966 and 2005-2012).

Hope to make it up to play in Melb again this year :cool:

ER
20-01-2012, 06:17 PM
A case for setting the move counter and letting the clock lock-up in multi time controls occurred during round5 on board5.

From an arbiter's perspective, it doesn't make a "perfect example" but for running a tournament it's great as no dispute arose.

As black had made the move and was about to press the clock, time ran out. Flag fell and clock locked up.
It was the first time control so having the DGT XL lock up essentially ended the game. Also since it was broadcast live, the clock times are stored, you can download the pgn files.

Having the clock lock up simplified the task, both players did not have any dispute. Also as an arbiter, it was unnecessary for me to go over there, in the middle of an exciting game, and explain that black lost on time.

Now, if the move counters were not set, the 2nd time control would have been displayed, giving an extra 50 minutes, and then it would have been my unhappy task to walk over and end the game and then explain to a possibly perplexed player(s) about loss on time even though the clock says there's 50minutes left.
In this case, there can be no argument because the scoresheet and electronic records are all in agreement.

Think I should make a more appropriate post regarding move counters in the relevant Arbiter's Corner thread.

You are all doing a great job Keong! :clap:

However, I have a question:

Can't you guys feed in the computer the results of all the games that have are finished while the (usually few) long games are still played?

Not sure if I am correct but I believe that this way you save time when you do the pairings for next round!

Craig_Hall
20-01-2012, 06:47 PM
Typically we sort the scoresheets, which takes a while (yes, we do that before the end of the round), and then check that the scoresheets a) match colour and b) match results. Then we check them against the draw list, and then the results get entered, along with any byes for the next round. Ideally that happens before the end of the round, but not always.

We are also running Vega in addition to Swiss Manager, and have to cross check the draw with that, following which the pairings go up, and then I post them here. The most common cause of late pairings so far has been long games (last night was epic).

kibitzer
20-01-2012, 07:21 PM
Is there a pgn somewhere of more than just the top few dgt boards as a matter of interest?

Keong Ang
20-01-2012, 07:39 PM
Is there a pgn somewhere of more than just the top few dgt boards as a matter of interest?

We're working on entering the top 20 boards for publishing.
The DGT boards automatically keep score but boards 8 to 20 need to be manually entered.
Also there are 74 boards in the tournament (less if there are byes), and the PGN for every board in every round would probably need to be entered sometime.

If resources and money were not a problem, we'd have DGT eboards for the entire tournament. :cool:

CivicChessMan
20-01-2012, 07:50 PM
I would have liked to see one DGT board reserved for the leading New Zealand player.

kibitzer
20-01-2012, 08:10 PM
We're working on entering the top 20 boards for publishing.


That'd be great Keong! :) Will you be putting those up on the tourney's website?

MichaelBaron
20-01-2012, 10:10 PM
I would have liked to see one DGT board reserved for the leading New Zealand player.
That's easy, all you need is the NZ players to get to top boards ;)

Czentovic
20-01-2012, 11:15 PM
Fine effort by Chris Wallis against GM Jones today, eventually mating the GM on move 100 with KNB vs K.

After move 83, they reached a canonical position in the KNB vs K W algorithm
5k2/5N2/5KB1/8/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 83
with the Bishop on the b1-g6 diagonal, as described here
http://xbasic.org/bishopknight.txt

The play followed the correct line for 5 moves (83. Bh7 Ke8 84. Ne5 Kf8 85.
Nd7+ Ke8 86. Ke6 Kd8 87. Kd6 Kc8), but then Wallis made life hard for himself with 88. Be4 instead of 88. Nc5 to stop Black playing Kb7. But he seemed to have no difficulty playing the ending anyway - his remaining clock time went up from 5.19 at move 83, to 12.08 at move 100, gaining 410 seconds in 18 moves, or 23 seconds a move, so he averaged 7 seconds a move for the mate - impressively quick thinking :D

MichaelBaron
21-01-2012, 02:34 AM
Good to see Domagoi Dragicevic playing well once again!:clap:

Agent Smith
21-01-2012, 07:50 AM
I did some corrections with the PGN as there's lots of crazy things happening.
I don't think that the elos or titles should be included in the player names
(eg "Bojkov [2553], GM Dejan").
And special mention to the "Queensland Classic 2012" game between Wallis and Haznedaroglu

Jim_Flood
21-01-2012, 08:21 AM
I realise that the Henderson Valley is not quite in the vicinity of Queenstown but possibly some of the players who appreciate fines wines could take a quick trip up North and bring a few of these back with them.

Sapich Bros Winery, Henderson, New Zealand


PURPLE DEATH

An unusual "Rough-as-Guts" aperitif that has the distinctive bouquet of horse-shit and old tram tickets. it is best drunk with teeth clenched to avoid foreign bodies. Connoisseurs often drink this strange brew in conjunction with other beverages which complement, or mask, the delicate flavour of Purple Death.

Jesper Norgaard
21-01-2012, 11:10 AM
After move 83, they reached a canonical position in the KNB vs K W algorithm
5k2/5N2/5KB1/8/8/8/8/8 w - - 0 83
with the Bishop on the b1-g6 diagonal, as described here
http://xbasic.org/bishopknight.txt

The play followed the correct line for 5 moves (83. Bh7 Ke8 84. Ne5 Kf8 85.
Nd7+ Ke8 86. Ke6 Kd8 87. Kd6 Kc8), but then Wallis made life hard for himself with 88. Be4 instead of 88. Nc5 to stop Black playing Kb7. But he seemed to have no difficulty playing the ending anyway - his remaining clock time went up from 5.19 at move 83, to 12.08 at move 100, gaining 410 seconds in 18 moves, or 23 seconds a move, so he averaged 7 seconds a move for the mate - impressively quick thinking :D

Actually black played wrong with 84...Kf8? where 84...Kd8 is the hardest test, and also 3 moves longer. 88.Nc5 is indeed one move less than 88.Be4, but I would certainly play the latter, having learned the W-maneuver from Philidor, not from Houdini! Both stops Kb7 you know. I doubt Wallis´ average of 7 seconds was a result of quick thinking - rather he already knew the moves. I have mated in blitz with KNB vs. K, although of course with increment. After 88.Be4 Kd8 89.Bg6 Kc8 90.Nc5 there was a bit of loss of time with the bishop, but who cares? Now 90...Kd8 91.Nb7+ Kc8 92.Kc6 and mate is nigh.

Agent Smith
21-01-2012, 01:34 PM
Chao LI and Jun Zhao played a quick draw today
Just for the record, this game is identical till move 29.

[Event "37th Olympiad"]
[Site "Turin ITA"]
[Date "2006.05.23"]
[Round "3"]
[White "Ftacnik, L."]
[Black "Bu Xiangzhi"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[WhiteElo "2597"]
[BlackElo "2640"]
[ECO "D17"]
[EventDate "2006.05.21"]
[PlyCount "67"]

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.Nc3 dxc4 5.a4 Bf5 6.Ne5 Nbd7 7.Nxc4 Qc7 8.g3
e5 9.dxe5 Nxe5 10.Bf4 Nfd7 11.Bg2 g5 12.Bxe5 Nxe5 13.Qd4 f6 14.O-O-O Rd8
15.Qe3 Be7 16.Rxd8+ Kxd8 17.Rd1+ Kc8 18.Nxe5 Qxe5 19.Qxa7 Ba3 20.Qd4 Qxd4
21.Rxd4 Bc5 22.Rd2 Be6 23.e3 Kc7 24.Be4 h5 25.Bc2 h4 26.Ne4 Be7 27.f4 hxg3
28.hxg3 Rh3 29.Rf2 g4 30.f5 Bd5 31.Rf4 Bxe4 32.Rxe4 Bd6 33.Rxg4 Rxg3 34.
Rxg3 1/2-1/2

Czentovic
21-01-2012, 06:35 PM
Actually black played wrong with 84...Kf8? where 84...Kd8 is the hardest test, and also 3 moves longer. 88.Nc5 is indeed one move less than 88.Be4, but I would certainly play the latter, having learned the W-maneuver from Philidor, not from Houdini! Both stops Kb7 you know. I doubt Wallis´ average of 7 seconds was a result of quick thinking - rather he already knew the moves. I have mated in blitz with KNB vs. K, although of course with increment. After 88.Be4 Kd8 89.Bg6 Kc8 90.Nc5 there was a bit of loss of time with the bishop, but who cares? Now 90...Kd8 91.Nb7+ Kc8 92.Kc6 and mate is nigh.

The analysis I mentioned before
http://xbasic.org/bishopknight.txt
was generated manually, not by using Houdini. You can see this by looking at the recommended move at the position [W10] 2k5/7B/3K4/2N5/8/8/8/8 b after 6... Kd8 7. Bg6 Kc8. Houdini recommends 8. Bf5, Be4, Bd3, Bc2 or Be8, with a mate in 8. The analysis above suggests instead 8. Bf7 with a mate in 9. The reason is that the analysis is part of a school project designed to produce a method of teaching KNB vs K to children in which the objective is not minimum mating time, but a method that was straightforward to understand and simple to remember. My daughter found all the existing algorithms hard to remember and difficult to understand, so she produced a fully worked-out algorithm herself which, with practice, enabled her to become proficient in doing the KNB vs K checkmate. Incidentally, she found the "wrong-coloured corner" algorithm much easier to learn and execute than the "right-coloured corner" algorithm, suggesting that if you have a choice (and Jones did not, in the game above) you should try to stay in the centre as close as possible to the right-coloured corner, first because the right-coloured corner algorithm is trickier and takes longer, but also because your opponent is likely to be proficient in doing the "wrong-coloured corner" because the conventional wisdom is that the Black King should flee to the "wrong-coloured corner" where he cannot be mated, and less proficient in doing the "right-coloured corner" algorithm.

Tony Dowden
22-01-2012, 07:22 AM
The analysis I mentioned before
http://xbasic.org/bishopknight.txt
was generated manually, not by using Houdini. You can see this by looking at the recommended move at the position [W10] 2k5/7B/3K4/2N5/8/8/8/8 b after 6... Kd8 7. Bg6 Kc8. Houdini recommends 8. Bf5, Be4, Bd3, Bc2 or Be8, with a mate in 8. The analysis above suggests instead 8. Bf7 with a mate in 9. The reason is that the analysis is part of a school project designed to produce a method of teaching KNB vs K to children in which the objective is not minimum mating time, but a method that was straightforward to understand and simple to remember. My daughter found all the existing algorithms hard to remember and difficult to understand, so she produced a fully worked-out algorithm herself which, with practice, enabled her to become proficient in doing the KNB vs K checkmate. Incidentally, she found the "wrong-coloured corner" algorithm much easier to learn and execute than the "right-coloured corner" algorithm, suggesting that if you have a choice (and Jones did not, in the game above) you should try to stay in the centre as close as possible to the right-coloured corner, first because the right-coloured corner algorithm is trickier and takes longer, but also because your opponent is likely to be proficient in doing the "wrong-coloured corner" because the conventional wisdom is that the Black King should flee to the "wrong-coloured corner" where he cannot be mated, and less proficient in doing the "right-coloured corner" algorithm.

While all the is all very interesting, I don't really understand the fuss about mating with a KBN vs K. I reckon it's an easy task for anyone over about 1800 who has some minimal knowledge (wrong/right corner) and, I suppose, has played a few endings requiring some piece coordination. [For instance, some high-rated juniors might find the task overly challenging].

In my own case I had to perfom the task as recently as the 2011 Doeberl Cup. I was playing Bill Kerr (SA) and it was at the end of two long games in a day. I remember being so exhausted I couldn't calculate - so I didn't bother! I just drove his king to the side of the board and then towards a 'right' corner. He abruptly resigned when mate he saw I could mate in two. Never mind that I didn't see it and was still feeling may way towards a mate about 6-8 moves away!

ER
22-01-2012, 10:53 AM
... I don't really understand the fuss about mating with a KBN vs K.

I see exactly what you mean and I agree. Driving the King to the correct corner with the Knight executing the W manoeuvre is one part of the method. It has to be combined with the net setting strategy though ie Bb4, Nd4, opposing King b6. The King has to give way. The finer points of the W method though, ie where the Knight should be before it starts the W manoeuvre were explained to me in detail by Dusan the other night.

ER
22-01-2012, 11:01 AM
Henrik, GM Sune Berg Hansen says hi!

Agent Smith
22-01-2012, 11:11 AM
FM Max Illingworth was +5 (and 3 pawns up) at one stage against GM Zhao Xue, but ended up drawing after 177 moves, 79 of them after the last pawn was gone.
Max, we salute you :)

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2012, 08:03 PM
According to my unchecked calculations these are the IM norm requirements:

* Trevor Tao - needs to play his game, result irrelevant.

* Wallis - needs draw with White against Bojkov.

* Ikeda - needs win with Black against Schon.

* WGM Sukander - needs win with White against WGM Kruttiga

...and the rest are out of it.

Corrections or alternative suggestions welcome.

Craig_Hall
22-01-2012, 08:29 PM
Those were the ones we found as well.

Unfortunately, because Tao hasn't played a strong enough field (average 2373 but needs 2380), he can't score a GM norm, even though a win would give him the required performance rating.

Kevin Bonham
22-01-2012, 08:41 PM
Unfortunately, because Tao hasn't played a strong enough field (average 2373 but needs 2380), he can't score a GM norm, even though a win would give him the required performance rating.

Yes, I got this too. Wallis, who so far has 2.5/5 against the GMs, has the same problem because of the low ratings of the other three who he defeated.

Jesper Norgaard
23-01-2012, 02:03 PM
While all the is all very interesting, I don't really understand the fuss about mating with a KBN vs K. I reckon it's an easy task for anyone over about 1800 who has some minimal knowledge (wrong/right corner) and, I suppose, has played a few endings requiring some piece coordination. [For instance, some high-rated juniors might find the task overly challenging].

It will probably interest you the list of people that goofed up this before the 50-move rule, or perhaps from lack of time:

GM Gilberto Hernandez 2525
GM Vladimir Epishin 2567
Bela Lengyel 2350
Hoang Thanh Thrang 2285
Sebastian Siebrecht 2325
Karl Heinz Goehring 2315
James Cobb 2320
Lenier Dominguez 2190 (U14)
Matthias Muller 2403
Dragos Dumitrache 2443
Ralf Lau 2498
Igor Zakharevich 2487

I only included 2300+ players except GM Lenier Dominguez +2700, the WC blitz champion from 2008(?) - don't remember the year. Of course he was just "a kid" then when he played U14.

I doubt your method would work for any 1800 player even when knowing what is the right corner and a bit about the W-maneuver. I can do it on 2-second increment against Houdini (5 seconds base time), but I studied it profoundly as a youngster. It does surprise me though that some of Philidors maneuvers, while easy to perform mechanically by a human, are in fact not the most optimal in the right corner, where the Bg7+ Nh6+ mate is sometimes quicker (Philidor worked with the Nh6+ Bf6+ mate).



In my own case I had to perfom the task as recently as the 2011 Doeberl Cup. I was playing Bill Kerr (SA) and it was at the end of two long games in a day. I remember being so exhausted I couldn't calculate - so I didn't bother! I just drove his king to the side of the board and then towards a 'right' corner. He abruptly resigned when mate he saw I could mate in two. Never mind that I didn't see it and was still feeling may way towards a mate about 6-8 moves away!
Once you have him cornered in the right corner, then there are basically two mating patterns: Bh6-g7+ followed by Nf6+ mate (or Ne7 or Nh6) and Be7/Nh6+ followed by Bf6+. Not very difficult. Most errors happen when driving the king from the wrong corner to the right corner, as that needs coordination to avoid that the king passes through the right corner along to the next wrong corner (where mating pieces are not placed since they are uncoordinated in the right corner the king escaped from).

Czentovic
23-01-2012, 02:37 PM
While all the is all very interesting, I don't really understand the fuss about mating with a KBN vs K. I reckon it's an easy task for anyone over about 1800 who has some minimal knowledge (wrong/right corner) and, I suppose, has played a few endings requiring some piece coordination. [For instance, some high-rated juniors might find the task overly challenging].

Ian Rogers does not agree with you - in discussing the Wallis game in yesterday's SMH, he says "Eventually, Wallis was obliged to perform one of the most feared technical tasks in chess - checkmating with a bishop and knight against lone king".

Capablanca-Fan
23-01-2012, 04:01 PM
Ian Rogers does not agree with you - in discussing the Wallis game in yesterday's SMH, he says "Eventually, Wallis was obliged to perform one of the most feared technical tasks in chess - checkmating with a bishop and knight against lone king".
I'm more inclined to agree with Dr Dowden. "Feared" by whom? It would be feared by those who neglected basic checkmates in their basic education, but not those who studied the classic instructional books like Capablanca's Chess Fundamentals or even earlier books by Tarrasch and Philidor.

Also, see this thread about B+N mate (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=212359#post212359), including an alternative method that is slightly longer but much more "automatic".

Adamski
23-01-2012, 05:17 PM
I'm more inclined to agree with Dr Dowden. "Feared" by whom? It would be feared by those who neglected basic checkmates in their basic education, but not those who studied the classic instructional books like Capablanca's Chess Fundamentals or even earlier books by Tarrasch and Philidor.

Also, see this thread about B+N mate (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=212359#post212359), including an alternative method that is slightly longer but much more "automatic".
The thread cited by Jono includes an excellent video on "how to". Thanks to eclectic for it.

Craig_Hall
23-01-2012, 07:29 PM
I've done it in 5 minute, and I agree that it's not that difficult with practice. Thanks to Capa for training me :D.

Tony Dowden
23-01-2012, 07:35 PM
Ian Rogers does not agree with you - in discussing the Wallis game in yesterday's SMH, he says "Eventually, Wallis was obliged to perform one of the most feared technical tasks in chess - checkmating with a bishop and knight against lone king".

I think it is safe to say he was using his journalistic licence :D

BTW, just for the record Aronian didn't bother making Carlsen play put the KBN vs K mate at Wijk ann Zee in Rd 3.

Vlad
23-01-2012, 07:40 PM
Congrats to Junta for getting his first IM norm!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

William AS
23-01-2012, 09:11 PM
Congrats to Junta for getting his first IM norm!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:
Stunning performance by Darryl, lately he has been showing age does not matter! :clap: :clap:
Impressive result by Trevor Tao in getting his third IM norm [if I am reading the Chess Results crosstable correctly it may be a GM norm] :clap: :clap: :clap:

Max Illingworth
23-01-2012, 09:13 PM
Congratulations to Trevor Tao for achieving his third IM norm, becoming an IM-elect and narrowly missing out on equal first place, Darryl Johansen for winning the tournament on tiebreak, Junta Ikeda for achieving his first IM norm, Irene Sukandar for achieving her fourth IM norm, Andrew Bird for finishing in equal ninth, and all the other prize winners!

Metro
23-01-2012, 09:26 PM
Congratulations to Trevor Tao for achieving his third IM norm, becoming an IM-elect and narrowly missing out on equal first place, Darryl Johansen for winning the tournament on tiebreak, Junta Ikeda for achieving his first IM norm, Irene Sukandar for achieving her fourth IM norm, Andrew Bird for finishing in equal ninth, and all the other prize winners!
Another great result for Darryl:clap: In great form:clap:

PS.What are the pro's and con's for splitting this field into 2 sections.

Kevin Bonham
23-01-2012, 09:27 PM
Great effort by Darryl to back up his Aus Champs win by winning Queenstown as well.

Adamski
23-01-2012, 09:53 PM
Congratulations to Trevor Tao for achieving his third IM norm, becoming an IM-elect and narrowly missing out on equal first place, Darryl Johansen for winning the tournament on tiebreak, Junta Ikeda for achieving his first IM norm, Irene Sukandar for achieving her fourth IM norm, Andrew Bird for finishing in equal ninth, and all the other prize winners!
Alll seconded, and also the other first equal GMs. Particular congrats to Darryl on winning an event with so many very strong GMs playing!

Adamski
23-01-2012, 09:57 PM
BTW Max won his last round v Chinese WGM so finished 9th equal himself. Not too bad at all mate! Also, the lady GM who drew with him in 177 moves ended up first equal so that was a good result.:clap:

Tony Dowden
24-01-2012, 07:15 AM
Congratulations to Trevor Tao for achieving his third IM norm, becoming an IM-elect and narrowly missing out on equal first place, Darryl Johansen for winning the tournament on tiebreak, Junta Ikeda for achieving his first IM norm, Irene Sukandar for achieving her fourth IM norm, Andrew Bird for finishing in equal ninth, and all the other prize winners ......including Karl Zelesco (1990) who, as the only player in the top 30 under 2200, effectively won the top three grades!

Hear hear :clap: :clap: :clap:

Agent Smith
24-01-2012, 07:54 AM
Alll seconded, and also the other first equal GMs. Particular congrats to Darryl on winning an event with so many very strong GMs playing!
Yes, it's been a great year for Darryl, but he was lucky to be declared the winner. For the record, he didn't play Chao Li, lost to Jun Zhao, and in his defeat of Gawain, that person declined a draw by repetition that he probably should have taken. As it turned out, he only played 2 other players who finished in the top 20. While Chao Li and Zhao Jun both played 6.

1 GM Johansen Darryl 2403 AUS 66w1 59s½ 34w1 21s1 20w1 3w0 35s1 37w1 24s1 7.5
2 GM Li Chao B 2693 CHN 18s1 38w1 10s1 36w1 9s½ 23w1 3s½ 5w1 6s½ 7.5
3 GM Zhao Jun 2569 CHN 44w1 49s1 28w1 4s½ 6w1 1s1 2w½ 9w1 7s½ 7.5

Oh yeah ... article at Chessbase (http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=7861)

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2012, 09:58 AM
Yes, it's been a great year for Darryl, but he was lucky to be declared the winner. For the record, he didn't play Chao Li, lost to Jun Zhao, and in his defeat of Gawain, that person declined a draw by repetition that he probably should have taken.

Add also that he won a drawn ending and a lost ending. Gawain was probably going all-out for the win either for prize or glory considerations or because he thought there should be one there but clearly didn't know when to walk away as the last time he didn't take the draw there really wasn't anything left. I do think that in this sort of field "most wins" as a tiebreak encourages the rollercoaster ride rather than the player who has sat on board 1 game after game and for that reason isn't ideal.

Awesome performance by Zelesco carving up three of the four FMs he played.

Capablanca-Fan
24-01-2012, 10:18 AM
Yes, the tie-break system sux, as they all do. But even 1= in such a field, following his great Aussie Championship win, should make him a shoe-in for a high board on the next Olympic team.

EBT
24-01-2012, 11:44 AM
I do think that in this sort of field "most wins" as a tiebreak encourages the rollercoaster ride rather than the player who has sat on board 1 game after game and for that reason isn't ideal.

In my opinion, Darrryl deserves unqualified congratulations.

The tiebreak system was announced right at the outset, and if it does encourage "rollercoaster rides", so what? I reckon that's better viewing for the spectators.

The person sitting at board 1 could not manage to win more games despite his clear rating superiority, despite him knowing that it is the first tiebreak criterion. In that sense, he probably doesn't deserve to be crowned winner, no?

Adamski
24-01-2012, 12:42 PM
BTW Max won his last round v Chinese WGM so finished 9th equal himself. Not too bad at all mate! Also, the lady GM who drew with him in 177 moves ended up first equal so that was a good result.:clap:
I see Max performed above his rating:
Rating international 2388
Rating performance 2406


Two good results against top Chinese women contributed to this substantially!

pax
24-01-2012, 05:05 PM
Yes, the tie-break system sux, as they all do. But even 1= in such a field, following his great Aussie Championship win, should make him a shoe-in for a high board on the next Olympic team.

How high? I don't think he could go higher than third, assuming Zhao and Smurf are available.

Adamski
24-01-2012, 10:18 PM
BTW Max won his last round v Chinese WGM so finished 9th equal himself. Not too bad at all mate! Also, the lady GM who drew with him in 177 moves ended up doing well so that was a good result.:clap:
The latter was Zhao Xue. But i see she only finished 16th equal so not such a great tournament for her.

Max played four women and players from no less than 7 federations! I wonder what the record number of federations played against by one person in an Australasian tournament is?

Kevin Bonham
24-01-2012, 10:23 PM
The person sitting at board 1 could not manage to win more games despite his clear rating superiority, despite him knowing that it is the first tiebreak criterion. In that sense, he probably doesn't deserve to be crowned winner, no?

The person sitting at board 1 actually performed above his superior rating - his TPR was 2746. (Darryl's was 2673. Zhao Jun's was 2737.)

To trump Darryl on that tiebreak, Li Chao had to score 8/9 which would have been a TPR of 2833. Seems a bit harsh to say that Chao probably didn't deserve to be the winner, when to be the winner he would have had to, as top seed, outperform his own rating by 140 points and outperform Johansen by 160 points. Also, had Chao got to face a field as low-rated as that faced by Johansen (who played only three 2400+s to Chao's six) he would very likely have scored 8/9 if not 8.5/9. Indeed had Chao scored 7 instead of 7.5 against the field he faced his TPR would still be slightly higher than Darryl's. On Buchholz Chao defeats Johansen by six and on Median Buchholz by five.

As it was he was disadvantaged by his own good results and high seeding in that he remained on board 1 getting a steady stream of top-class opponents. The system basically means the early rounds are even less relevant to the outcome of the tournament than normal.

Just because a system makes for "better viewing for the spectators" doesn't mean we should use it. Taking a pawn off one of the top ten boards selected at random every round on a randomly decided move would be great drama for the spectators but that's hardly an argument in its favour.

Not knocking Darryl for winning at all - a great result and that it was acheived with a lot of "luck" both on the board and in the tiebreaks doesn't matter, because any time that happens it makes up for all the other times you were the best thing beaten as a result of an unlucky draw or a silly tiebreak, and any player would get their share of good and bad outcomes from those things. Just pointing out that this is really not a good high-level tiebreak for a "monster swiss".

Also not knocking the organisers since this ordering of tiebreaks was recommended by FIDE recently at the Congress:

http://www.fide.com/images/stories/NEWS_2011/fide_news/Agenda_and_Annexes_2011/Annex_65_-_RTRC_report.pdf

We can now see it is not a good idea for some events. Fortunately it is only a recommendation.

Note also that most wins was, according to previous posts, actually the second tiebreak. The first was:


(c). Direct Encounter
If all the tied players have met each other, then the sum of points from these
encounters is used. The player with the highest score is ranked number 1 and so on. However, if some, but not all have played each other, the player with a score, which cannot be equalled by any other player (had all the games been played) is ranked number 1 and so on.

What happened between the tied players was that Chao and Zhao Jun drew, Zhao Jun defeated Darryl and Darryl and Chao did not play.

Had Darryl and Chao played, Darryl would have finished behind Zhao Jun at least on this tiebreak irrespective of the result. But because they didn't play, and it was possible for Chao to tie Zhao Jun on this tiebreak, this tiebreak cannot be used.

Adamski
24-01-2012, 10:26 PM
BTW Max won his last round v Chinese WGM so finished 9th equal himself. Not too bad at all mate! Also, the lady GM who drew with him in 177 moves ended up first equal so that was a good result.:clap:
I am wrong here. He played Zhao Xue (not Zhao Jun who finished first equal) who ended up behind him in 16th equal so that draw was a good result

Garrett
25-01-2012, 06:48 AM
Thanks to Murray Chandler and the rest of the New Zealand organisers, and the arbiting team for putting on a great tournament ! :clap:

Congrats to all the winners, especially Darryl and Mike Steadman.

Queenstown was a very beautiful place to visit.

Cheers Garrett.

Capablanca-Fan
25-01-2012, 07:19 AM
How high? I don't think he could go higher than third, assuming Zhao and Smurf are available.
A fair question. Aussie champs should count for a lot, especially as Zhao played. I would say, certainly not lower than third.

Capablanca-Fan
25-01-2012, 07:22 AM
Awesome performance by Zelesco carving up three of the four FMs he played.
Real FMs or Zonal FMs? ;)

ER
25-01-2012, 08:07 AM
Thanks to Murray Chandler and the rest of the New Zealand organisers, and the arbiting team for putting on a great tournament ! :clap:

Congrats to all the winners, especially Darryl and Mike Steadman.

Queenstown was a very beautiful place to visit.

Cheers Garrett.

Exactly what Garret says! An outstanding success! Looking forward to visit Queenstown again!

Qbert
25-01-2012, 10:17 AM
Thanks to Murray Chandler and the rest of the New Zealand organisers, and the arbiting team for putting on a great tournament ! :clap:

Congrats to all the winners, especially Darryl and Mike Steadman.

Queenstown was a very beautiful place to visit.

Cheers Garrett.
Well said.:clap:
The Otago Daily Times carried a story yesterday quoting Murray as intending to hold the event again in 3 years, though stopping short of a guarantee at this stage.

antichrist
25-01-2012, 10:31 AM
Well said.:clap:
The Otago Daily Times carried a story yesterday quoting Murray as intending to hold the event again in 3 years, though stopping short of a guarantee at this stage.

I read where Murray was or still is sponsoring the event, is it still the case and what are the sums like?

peter_parr
25-01-2012, 10:34 AM
Cross table (see also Australian Championship cross table posted yesterday)

http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/qxtable.jpg

Kevin Bonham
25-01-2012, 10:44 AM
Real FMs or Zonal FMs? ;)

Well one was from Denmark and the other two were Smith and Lukey who I believe are ex-2300ers (certainly not far below that rating now).

Agent Smith
25-01-2012, 11:05 AM
Cross table (see also Australian Championship cross table posted yesterday)

http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/qxtable.jpg
I hope Darryl is sitting back enjoying a clayton's.:P

Capablanca-Fan
25-01-2012, 12:28 PM
Well one was from Denmark and the other two were Smith and Lukey who I believe are ex-2300ers (certainly not far below that rating now).
Right, sound like real FMs then. Very good result.

heligan
25-01-2012, 12:57 PM
I've added a full list of prizes, norms, and some photos, to
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/crosstable.html
...with the group photo as well. Trophies were awarded on tiebreak (the system recommended by FIDE and cited above by Kevin Bonham) and all cash prizes were shared equally among those on the same score.

Leonid Sandler
25-01-2012, 03:15 PM
For interview with Oceania Champion 2012 ( and 6 times Australian Champion) Grandmaster Darryl Johansen please follow the link http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEx6BzFvpAk

Jesper Norgaard
25-01-2012, 04:43 PM
Well one [ed:FM] was from Denmark ...

Must have been FM Ove Weiss Hartvig 2210 which just happens to be the one chess player I grew up with (in chess career I mean). I have 12 games with him recorded. My only loss happened in an orgy of mutual sacrifices where I suddenly went down in flames because I accepted one of them (the wrong one!). The last game we played was adjourned at move 40 - with all 32 men still intact! The first exchange at move 47. And I checkmated at move 80. Those good old days ...

Wonder how he ended up in this tournament? It's a bit far from Denmark!? Packaging with GM Sune Berg Hansen?

antichrist
25-01-2012, 05:01 PM
The thread cited by Jono includes an excellent video on "how to". Thanks to eclectic for it.

am I remember correctly it could take 72 move but now can no longer inform arbiter to claim beyond 50 moves?

Keong Ang
25-01-2012, 06:23 PM
I hope Darryl is sitting back enjoying a clayton's.:P

During his winner's speech, I recall him saying that a few months back he would have thought anyone who picked that he'd win the Aussie Champs and Queenstown is borderline insane. He did say that he's going to get thoroughly inebriated. So we could assume he did. ;)

Hopefully on the sponsor's, Remarkable Wines, tipple. :P

Keong Ang
25-01-2012, 06:39 PM
Congratulations to Trevor Tao for achieving his third IM norm, becoming an IM-elect and narrowly missing out on equal first place, Darryl Johansen for winning the tournament on tiebreak, Junta Ikeda for achieving his first IM norm, Irene Sukandar for achieving her fourth IM norm, Andrew Bird for finishing in equal ninth, and all the other prize winners!
Max, next time you wish to spend time with a female GM, claim your 50move draw and then ask her out for a date. :lol:
The scenery around Queenstown is absolutely stunning and you could have watched the sun set over some Pinot Noir after dinner.

While we, the arbiters have paired you up, we do not want to be your chaperons while you dance around the chessboard!! :owned:
...especially until 11pm, 8 hours after start time. :rolleyes:

Kevin Bonham
25-01-2012, 08:27 PM
am I remember correctly it could take 72 move but now can no longer inform arbiter to claim beyond 50 moves?

Wrong on both. Checkmate can be forced in at most 33 moves with best play. The 50 move rule draw claim still applies if a player fails to mate quickly enough.

There were some positions for which FIDE at one stage extended the 50-move draw rule but that was later reversed and now it is 50 moves for any ending.

Keong Ang
25-01-2012, 08:49 PM
Wrong on both. Checkmate can be forced in at most 33 moves with best play. The 50 move rule draw claim still applies if a player fails to mate quickly enough.

There were some positions for which FIDE at one stage extended the 50-move draw rule but that was later reversed and now it is 50 moves for any ending.

The 50 move draw can only be awarded after a valid claim by one of the players.

Something we arbiters were frustrated about and checking the Laws on the night did not contradict this. Normally, a 50 move draw claim would be made as soon as it is achieved by one of the players. However the arbiters are powerless to intervene if both players seem intent on playing on with time increasing through increment into the night with the idea of winning on time when the opponent passes out through sheer fatigue.

It was quite fascinating watching Zhao Xue popping barley sugar after barley sugar and Max consuming banana after banana to keep energized for a RN vs R ending.

I think Max only claimed the draw after running out of bananas. :doh:

Max, if you are reading this, remember that it is a 50 move draw claim, NOT a 50 bananas consumed claim. :wall: :wall: :wall:

Also, there seems to be some kind of silly "code of honour" etiquette where the 'stronger' player does not make a 50 move draw claim. :rolleyes:

Max Illingworth
25-01-2012, 09:11 PM
Trevor told me after the game what she should have said once the 50 move rule was reached, but I can't repeat it here or I would be banned.

that Caesar guy
25-01-2012, 09:14 PM
Trevor told me after the game what she should have said once the 50 move rule was reached, but I can't repeat it here or I would be banned.
Oooooooh sounds interesting, do tell young chap. I'm sure you won't be banned.

Max Illingworth
25-01-2012, 09:22 PM
Nice try. :P

Kevin Bonham
25-01-2012, 10:06 PM
Normally, a 50 move draw claim would be made as soon as it is achieved by one of the players.

There are quite a few cases of this not happening. A rather funny one was the 237-move-long rapid game Fressinet-Kosteniuk in which Fressinet defended with rook against rook and bishop for 116 moves without claiming and then lost.

Adamski
25-01-2012, 10:10 PM
I've added a full list of prizes, norms, and some photos, to
http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/queenstownchess/crosstable.html
...with the group photo as well. Trophies were awarded on tiebreak (the system recommended by FIDE and cited above by Kevin Bonham) and all cash prizes were shared equally among those on the same score.
For which game did GM Gawain Jones (my Green Knight) win the best game prize? Thanks.

Adamski
25-01-2012, 10:16 PM
There are quite a few cases of this not happening. A rather funny one was the 237-move-long rapid game Fressinet-Kosteniuk in which Fressinet defended with rook against rook and bishop for 116 moves without claiming and then lost.Calling that a "rapid' game sounds like a contradiction. What time limit allowed 237 moves without either losing on time?

Kevin Bonham
25-01-2012, 10:26 PM
Calling that a "rapid' game sounds like a contradiction. What time limit allowed 237 moves without either losing on time?

25 mins plus 10 secs/move.

Tony Dowden
25-01-2012, 10:38 PM
For the record ... Thanks Murray!!

antichrist
25-01-2012, 10:49 PM
25 mins plus 10 secs/move.


so what was the approx total amount of time for the game?

Kevin Bonham
25-01-2012, 10:59 PM
so what was the approx total amount of time for the game?

Tim Krabbe reckons about 2 hours.