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CivicChessMan
23-07-2010, 02:46 PM
I took up Tony's suggestion and created a new thread for the NZ Master. Here are the important bits.

1.3 MASTER POINTS
1.3.1 For each New Zealand Championship 45 master points shall be awarded for first place, 36 for second place, 28 for third place, 21 for fourth place, 15 for fifth place, 10 for sixth place, 6 for seventh place, 3 for eighth place, and 1 for ninth place.
1.3.2 For each North Island or South Island Championship 10 master points shall be awarded for first place, 6 for second place, 3 for third place, and 1 for fourth place.
1.3.3 For each New Zealand Junior Championship 6 master points shall be awarded for first place, 3 for second place, and 1 for third place.
1.3.4 Where two or more players tie for any place the available master points shall be shared equally among the tied players. Fractions shall be eliminated by rounding to the nearest whole number.

1.5 NATIONAL MASTER
1.5.1 For the title of National Master one hundred (100) master points shall be required of which at least fifty (50) shall have been earned in New Zealand Championships.
1.5.2 For the title of National Master with one star, two hundred and fifty master points shall be required, for the title of National Master with two stars, five hundred (500) master points shall be required, and for the title of National Master with three stars, one thousand (1000) master points shall be required.

1.6 VALIDITY
1.6.1 Titles are valid for life and date from the last day of the tournament in which qualification was completed.

CivicChessMan
23-07-2010, 02:58 PM
From the New Zealand Chess website:

NEW ZEALAND MASTER POINTS, ACTIVE PLAYERS, AS AT 22 January 2010
New masters on this list: Mike Steadman and Nic Croad.

Ker, A.F. 871
Garbett, P.A. 772
Dive, R.J. 488
Smith, R.W. 331
Small, V.A. 328
Anderson, B.R. 270
Lukey, S.G. 234
Stuart, P.W. 203
Martin, B.M.S. 189
Chandler, M.G. 178
Green, E.M. 154
Haase, G.G. 151
Green, P.R. 142
Spain, G.A. 135
Kulashko, A. 135
Croad, N.E. 123
Dowden, R.A. 118
Dreyer, M.P. 118
Steadman, M.V.R. 117
Sinclair, M. 114
Nokes, R.I. 113
Wastney, S.C. 112
Wang, P. 111
McLaren, L.J. 108

It may be a while before the next New Zealand Master Title is awarded. The active players (active in the last 2 years) are Bruce Watson 60, Daniel Shen 53, Mark van der Hoorn 35, Hilton Bennett 32, Mark Noble 29, Quentin Johnson 25, Gino Thornton and Bill Lynn 22 ...

CivicChessMan
23-07-2010, 03:00 PM
Bob Smith 10, Bill Forster and Alex Huang 5, Peter Stuart 1.

Capablanca-Fan
23-07-2010, 03:26 PM
NEW ZEALAND MASTER POINTS, ACTIVE PLAYERS, AS AT 22 January 2010
New masters on this list: Mike Steadman and Nic Croad.

Ker, A.F. 871
Garbett, P.A. 772
Dive, R.J. 488
Smith, R.W. 331
Small, V.A. 328
Sarfati, J.D. 290
Anderson, B.R. 270
Lukey, S.G. 234
Stuart, P.W. 203
Martin, B.M.S. 189
Chandler, M.G. 178
Green, E.M. 154
Haase, G.G. 151
Green, P.R. 142
Spain, G.A. 135
Kulashko, A. 135
Croad, N.E. 123
Dowden, R.A. 118
Dreyer, M.P. 118
Steadman, M.V.R. 117
Sinclair, M. 114
Nokes, R.I. 113
Wastney, S.C. 112
Wang, P. 111
McLaren, L.J. 108

The record is the late Ortvin Sarapu, 1203.

CivicChessMan
23-07-2010, 03:58 PM
Not sure what the definition of active is here. This is a question for Peter Stuart.

Tony Dowden
24-07-2010, 01:03 PM
NEW ZEALAND MASTER POINTS, ACTIVE PLAYERS, AS AT 22 January 2010
New masters on this list: Mike Steadman and Nic Croad.


Congrats to FM Mike Steadman and FM Nic Croad :clap: :clap:

Tony Dowden
24-07-2010, 01:05 PM
NEW ZEALAND MASTER POINTS, ACTIVE PLAYERS, AS AT 22 January 2010
New masters on this list: Mike Steadman and Nic Croad.

Ker, A.F. 871
Garbett, P.A. 772
Dive, R.J. 488
Smith, R.W. 331
Small, V.A. 328
Sarfati, J.D. 290
Anderson, B.R. 270
Lukey, S.G. 234
Stuart, P.W. 203
Martin, B.M.S. 189
Chandler, M.G. 178
Green, E.M. 154
Haase, G.G. 151
Green, P.R. 142
Spain, G.A. 135
Kulashko, A. 135
Croad, N.E. 123
Dowden, R.A. 118
Dreyer, M.P. 118
Steadman, M.V.R. 117
Sinclair, M. 114
Nokes, R.I. 113
Wastney, S.C. 112
Wang, P. 111
McLaren, L.J. 108

The record is the late Ortvin Sarapu, 1203.

:hmm: Jono, as far as I can tell nobody on this 'active' list gained the bulk of their master points by playing in Island events.

Capablanca-Fan
24-07-2010, 02:11 PM
:hmm: Jono, as far as I can tell nobody on this 'active' list gained the bulk of their master points by playing in Island events.
Probably true; far more points up for grab in the NZ Champs.

Tony Dowden
24-07-2010, 04:11 PM
Probably true; far more points up for grab in the NZ Champs.

Indeed, hence your point that "the NZ Master rules allow cumulation of relatively mediocre performances (e.g. placings in island champs)" from the Australian Master title thread (http://http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=284274#post284274) is a threoretical possibility but doesn't seem to be borne out in practice.

Capablanca-Fan
25-07-2010, 03:13 AM
Indeed, hence your point that "the NZ Master rules allow cumulation of relatively mediocre performances (e.g. placings in island champs)" from the Australian Master title thread (http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=284274#post284274) is a threoretical possibility but doesn't seem to be borne out in practice.
I was wondering what you were getting at, Tony. On reading the thread (http://www.chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=10194&page=2) from over a year ago, it was a comparison between NZM and real (non-zonal) FM titles:

TonyD:

And the NZ master title is arguably harder to win than the FM title. My reasoning is that most performances leading to large gains of master points (100 needed) would generally have to be over FIDE 2300.

Jono:

Dunno about that. The NZ Master rules allow cumulation of relatively mediocre performances (e.g. placings in island champs), so players who have never achieved 2300 have obtained NZM titles.

TonyD:

True, but has anyone has ever done so largely via the Island championships?

Non-FM's such as Haase, Stuart and I all won the bulk of the points in our NM titles by playing in Championships. Haase claimed a bundle by winning the NZ title in 1961/62 (way before FM titles existed) and Stuart played in vast numbers of NZ champs. In my case I was moreorless inactive for 15 years (no master points), so possibly missed a chance to top 2300.

All true. Not sure that it invalidates my claim that FM was once a harder title than NZM.

Tony Dowden
25-07-2010, 02:21 PM
Jono, I didn't notice the date in the other thread - sorry!

Tony Dowden
12-08-2010, 08:19 AM
Here's a list of 'ACTUALLY ACTIVE' players, according to my loose definition of having played in the NZ champs and/or Island events within the last few years AND being an NM or having a minimimum of 20 points and being capable of getting the title:

Ker, A.F. 871
Garbett, P.A. 772
Dive, R.J. 488
Smith, R.W. 331
Lukey, S.G. 234
Stuart, P.W. 203
Chandler, M.G. 178
Spain, G.A. 135
Croad, N.E. 123
Dowden, T. 118
Steadman, M.V.R. 117
Wastney, S.C. 112
Wang, P. 111
McLaren, L.J. 108

Bruce Watson 60, Daniel Shen 53, Mark van der Hoorn 35, Hilton Bennett 32, Quentin Johnson 25, Gino Thornton 22