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Garvinator
03-05-2010, 06:09 PM
Two bids have been received for the 2014 Olympiad. Those being Tromso, Norway and Albena, Bulgaria.

Poll question attached.

Oepty
03-05-2010, 06:35 PM
Is there somewhere giving links to the details of the proposed bids? With out some inkling of what the respective organisers are planning it is pretty difficult to have an opinon.
Scott

Garvinator
03-05-2010, 06:39 PM
Is there somewhere giving links to the details of the proposed bids? With out some inkling of what the respective organisers are planning it is pretty difficult to have an opinon.
ScottApologies. I sometimes forget that not everyone is up to date with events as they are happening.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6301

Also Susan Polgar's blog quite often contains updated information about the Tromso bid.

Metro
03-05-2010, 06:54 PM
Im starting to think that having the olympics is signing your countries economic death. Their to expensive to run.
What is the cost of 2010(or 2008) event?

Oepty
03-05-2010, 07:35 PM
Apologies. I sometimes forget that not everyone is up to date with events as they are happening.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6301

Also Susan Polgar's blog quite often contains updated information about the Tromso bid.

Okay thanks Garvin. Be a cold Olympiad if it is held in Tromso, a long way north, but the government seems to be right behind the bid and they seem to have some good experience amoung the organisers. The new playing hall in Albena sounds good. Sill not a huge amount to base a decision on but both look attractive and if the are organised well then should be okay.
Scott

Garvinator
03-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Okay thanks Garvin. Be a cold Olympiad if it is held in Tromso, a long way north, but the government seems to be right behind the bid and they seem to have some good experience amoung the organisers. The new playing hall in Albena sounds good. Sill not a huge amount to base a decision on but both look attractive and if the are organised well then should be okay.
ScottTromso is scheduled for August, so that is middle of summer. Land of the midnight sun and all that.

Oepty
03-05-2010, 09:20 PM
Tromso is scheduled for August, so that is middle of summer. Land of the midnight sun and all that.

Garvin. The average high for august according to Wikipedia write up on Tromso is 13.9 degrees. It might be sunny but in my books that is still cold. Not saying that is a reason not to hold the Olympiad in Tromso, but cold weather is not my preference, irrelevant as my preference is.
Scott

ER
03-05-2010, 09:28 PM
Two bids have been received for the 2014 Olympiad. Those being Tromso, Norway and Albena, Bulgaria.

Poll question attached.

I think you should specify you are talking about a Chess Olympiad. Apparently some haven't grasped that!

Amazing to see FIDE's fees are almost double than the accommodation costs. Norway seem to be well prepared, clued and budgeted.
They will also have the experience of organising a major international competition (Is it the Chess World Cup or something? - Ed. Yes it is the 2013 World Cup, I checked again!) till then.
We haven't seen the Bulgarians' application details with analysis yet.
According to some pictures of the WC Match venue, people (spectators) don't seem to be very interested in attending. And mind you, the match is held in Sofia. I don't know anything about Albena so I can't comment on their application merits, since they provide none anyway.
So I will not vote till I 've done some search!

lost
03-05-2010, 09:56 PM
I think you should specify you are talking about a Chess Olympiad. Apparently some haven't grasped that!

Amazing to see FIDE's fees are almost double than the accommodation costs. Norway seem to be well prepared, clued and budgeted.
They will also have the experience of organising a major international competition (Is it the Chess World Cup or something? - Ed. Yes it is the 2013 World Cup, I checked again!) till then.
We haven't seen the Bulgarians' application details with analysis yet.
According to some pictures of the WC Match venue, people (spectators) don't seem to be very interested in attending. And mind you, the match is held in Sofia. I don't know anything about Albena so I can't comment on their application merits, since they provide none anyway.
So I will not vote till I 've done some search!

I will ask my Bulgarian correspondent for the details and get back to everyone on this!!

lost

Garvinator
03-05-2010, 09:57 PM
I think you should specify you are talking about a Chess Olympiad. Apparently some haven't grasped that!The thread title is 2014 Olympiad.

I thought having to add Chess to the thread title in a chess forum and where the sub forum is overseas tournament news and results would just be treating the readers as idiots.

If I was not talking about chess, then I would have stuck it in non-chess.

CameronD
03-05-2010, 10:00 PM
The thread title is 2014 Olympiad.

I thought having to add Chess to the thread title in a chess forum and where the sub forum is overseas tournament news and results would just be treating the readers as idiots.

If I was not talking about chess, then I would have stuck it in non-chess.

I never look at the sub-forum names. Just what pops up in the new screen

lost
03-05-2010, 10:57 PM
Hi to everyone,

Information on Albena: It will be hosting the Bulgarian Teams Championship and I will be getting pics of the vemue as well. I will be exclusively revealing pictures to chesschatters so you get an idea of what the venue is like.

lost

Desmond
04-05-2010, 10:14 AM
I never look at the sub-forum names. Just what pops up in the new screen
Even on the new screen there is a column displaying the forum (far righthand side).

Igor_Goldenberg
04-05-2010, 02:22 PM
Climate wise Albena beats Tromso hand down. I spent my first sixteen years in Murmansk (which is on the same latitude as Tromso, about 400km east and in the same region). While climate is mild by the Arctic standards, it's nothing to write home about, even the summer. Also Polar day(or Midnight sun) might be fun for a day or two, but it'll be a problem for those not used to it (e.g. 99% of the players).

On the other hand Albena is 30km from Varna which is a nice Black Sea resort.
This part of Bulgaria (called Gold Sands!) is their Gold Coast with excellent beaches.

I admit that:
1. Never been there.
2. Have no clue as far as other conditions concerned.

PS. I just checked Wikipedia, Albena is the purpose-built resorts, which validates my comparison to Gold Coast.

Oepty
04-05-2010, 02:36 PM
Climate wise Albena beats Tromso hand down. I spent my first sixteen years in Murmansk (which is on the same latitude as Tromso, about 400km east and in the same region). While climate is mild by the Arctic standards, it's nothing to write home about, even the summer. Also Polar day(or Midnight sun) might be fun for a day or two, but it'll be a problem for those not used to it (e.g. 99% of the players).

On the other hand Albena is 30km from Varna which is a nice Black Sea resort.
This part of Bulgaria (called Gold Sands!) is their Gold Coast with excellent beaches.

I admit that:
1. Never been there.
2. Have no clue as far as other conditions concerned.

PS. I just checked Wikipedia, Albena is the purpose-built resorts, which validates my comparison to Gold Coast.

I guess the risk with Albena is that it might be too hot, but with a new purpose built venue it should be well airconditioned. Tromso will be cold but they know that and it too can be handled.
Scott

Igor_Goldenberg
04-05-2010, 02:39 PM
I guess the risk with Albena is that it might be too hot, but with a new purpose built venue it should be well airconditioned. Tromso will be cold but they know that and it too can be handled.
Scott
It's not hot, AFAIK temperature is in mid 20s

Rincewind
04-05-2010, 04:18 PM
I guess the risk with Albena is that it might be too hot, but with a new purpose built venue it should be well airconditioned. Tromso will be cold but they know that and it too can be handled.
Scott

"There is no such thing as bad weather, just inappropriate clothing." -- Billy Connelly

However, bear in mind that is the advice of a Scotsman.

Garvinator
04-05-2010, 05:15 PM
So far I am heavily in favour of Tromso, mainly because they already have almost everything organised and have been doing quite a lot of work on their bid for a long time now.

Albena have only just got some information in in time for the close of bids.

For those reasons alone I think it should go to Tromso.


On the slightly shiftier side, awarding the bid to Tromso means no Danialov involvement ;) which has to be good, surely :)

Oepty
04-05-2010, 05:24 PM
It's not hot, AFAIK temperature is in mid 20s

A bit hotter than that in summer, but I was looking at the wrong month anyway. Average for Varna in August is 29, the same as Adelaide in summer, although top temperature not as high, but the plan is the end of September start of October when the average will be more low to mid 20s.
I know I first mentioned the weather but I think it should be quite low on the things that need to be considered. Things like financial backing, organisers experience and skill, venue and accomadation and travel between the two would be a much higher consideration.
Scott

Garvinator
04-05-2010, 05:57 PM
A bit hotter than that in summer, but I was looking at the wrong month anyway. Average for Varna in August is 29, the same as Adelaide in summer, although top temperature not as high, but the plan is the end of September start of October when the average will be more low to mid 20s.
I know I first mentioned the weather but I think it should be quite low on the things that need to be considered. Things like financial backing, organisers experience and skill, venue and accomadation and travel between the two would be a much higher consideration.
Scott
Official bid document: http://www.tromso2014.no/OfficialBid_30April2010.pdf

ER
04-05-2010, 07:18 PM
C'mon now you can' compare this


http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bulgaria-trips.info/Albena/Albena.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bulgaria-trips.info/Albena/albena.html&h=327&w=507&sz=48&tbnid=zpsxwzJ2L5HjvM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dalbena&usg=__04cTVsQCvli3YbsCnyiNaGWtwEU=&ei=2-TfS63gBZO-sgOiuM29BQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image&ved=0CB4Q9QEwBQ

to this
http://www.domnik.net/topoi/commons/NO/tromso/00n_tromso.jpg

ok to be more fair to Tromso there is also this

http://www.destinasjontromso.no/english/useful_info.html

But, I 've made up my mind so i go for Albena and beautiful Bulgaria!:clap:

Oepty
04-05-2010, 09:58 PM
C'mon now you can' compare this


http://www.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.bulgaria-trips.info/Albena/Albena.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.bulgaria-trips.info/Albena/albena.html&h=327&w=507&sz=48&tbnid=zpsxwzJ2L5HjvM:&tbnh=84&tbnw=131&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dalbena&usg=__04cTVsQCvli3YbsCnyiNaGWtwEU=&ei=2-TfS63gBZO-sgOiuM29BQ&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=6&ct=image&ved=0CB4Q9QEwBQ

to this
http://www.domnik.net/topoi/commons/NO/tromso/00n_tromso.jpg

ok to be more fair to Tromso there is also this

http://www.destinasjontromso.no/english/useful_info.html

But, I 've made up my mind so i go for Albena and beautiful Bulgaria!:clap:

Tromso looks like a beautiful old city, whereas those buildings in Albena look totally horrid.
Scott

ER
04-05-2010, 10:53 PM
Tromso looks like a beautiful old city, whereas those buildings in Albena look totally horrid.


lol talking about lack of historic sites (aesthetically pleasing too) in a country like Bulgaria is rather unfortunate. Modern monstrosities exist in every country Tromso not exluded!

Warning: not for the architecturally sensitive! BTW this is a church (God Forbid)!

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/tromsdal-church-tromso-nor128.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.planetware.com/picture/tromso-tromsdal-church-n-nor128.htm&usg=__ud8B7mXhtNJogPkkRCfG0UwfxV4=&h=375&w=500&sz=203&hl=en&start=33&itbs=1&tbnid=w8Zp0tXEHW5jvM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DTromso%26start%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3D N%26ndsp%3D18%26tbs%3Disch:1

Oepty
04-05-2010, 11:05 PM
lol talking about lack of historic sites (aesthetically pleasing too) in a country like Bulgaria is rather unfortunate. Modern monstrosities exist in every country Tromso not exluded!

Warning: not for the architecturally sensitive! BTW this is a church (God Forbid)!

http://images.google.com.au/imgres?imgurl=http://www.planetware.com/i/photo/tromsdal-church-tromso-nor128.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.planetware.com/picture/tromso-tromsdal-church-n-nor128.htm&usg=__ud8B7mXhtNJogPkkRCfG0UwfxV4=&h=375&w=500&sz=203&hl=en&start=33&itbs=1&tbnid=w8Zp0tXEHW5jvM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3DTromso%26start%3D18%26hl%3Den%26sa%3D N%26ndsp%3D18%26tbs%3Disch:1

I will give you that one, that is just wrong.
Scott

ER
04-05-2010, 11:20 PM
I will give you that one, that is just wrong.
Scott
And I will definitely give you the ugliest of the ugly poor imitations of a Pavlova cake styled Albena beach purpose - built structures!
Anyway, preferences aside good luck to Tromso. Additionally, I like the Scandinavians who are methodical and efficient workers!

Igor_Goldenberg
05-05-2010, 09:54 AM
I know I first mentioned the weather but I think it should be quite low on the things that need to be considered. Things like financial backing, organisers experience and skill, venue and accomadation and travel between the two would be a much higher consideration.
Scott
No argument here.

Adamski
05-05-2010, 05:15 PM
I guess the risk with Albena is that it might be too hot, but with a new purpose built venue it should be well airconditioned. Tromso will be cold but they know that and it too can be handled.
ScottCold is obviously not a factor in Olympiad venue choice when you consider that the coming Olympiad will occur in Siberia! I would rather this event was not held in Bulgaria. Topalov's manager has a lot to answer for as I admit this is an irrational judgement based on dislike of a particular Bulgarian!

I must admit that Bulgarian GM Dejan Bojkov was a thoroughly nice and friendly chap to talk to. I chatted with him at SIO as we had exchanged several emails. He almost came to the last Aus Champs... I am pleased for him that he won the SIO on tie-break. (Until reading Australasian Chess article by Charles Z on the bus to work this morning I had not appreciated that the title had been decided on tie-break.)

ER
05-05-2010, 06:44 PM
I agree with Adamski although he creates the wrong impression with his initial statement clarfifying it in the process.
I think it is a nonsensical attitude to criticise and brand negatively a whole country because of the behaviour of a sole person.
I mean you can't condemn Norway to eternal damnation because of Vidkin Quisling can you?
Bulgaria is a beautiful country with hospitable and friendly people and a lovely climate.
I would suggest to whoever have their holidays in Southern Europe of thereabouts to visit Bulgaria. You will simply love it!

Adamski
05-05-2010, 09:26 PM
I agree with Adamski although he creates the wrong impression with his initial statement clarfifying it in the process.
I think it is a nonsensical attitude to criticise and brand negatively a whole country because of the behaviour of a sole person.
I mean you can't condemn Norway to eternal damnation because of Vidkin Quisling can you?
Bulgaria is a beautiful country with hospitable and friendly people and a lovely climate.
I would suggest to whoever have their holidays in Southern Europe of thereabouts to visit Bulgaria. You will simply love it!

Testing reply on another thread really, but I would love to visit Bulgaria. Good luck to them if they win the Olympiad, I'd just prefer that they didn't.

Garvinator
03-10-2010, 04:36 AM
TROMSO WINS!!

Kevin Bonham
03-10-2010, 09:58 AM
Not even close, 95-47.

Tony Dowden
03-10-2010, 12:34 PM
Good news. Now I have to start training ;)

Denis_Jessop
04-10-2010, 07:21 PM
Not even close, 95-47.

It's interesting, and perhaps not a coincidence, that the numbers were almost the same as for the Presidential vote.

DJ

arosar
04-10-2010, 10:23 PM
And even closer still to the 2012 contest: 95 to Turkey, 40 to Montenegro.

AR

Adamski
04-10-2010, 10:26 PM
TROMSO WINS!!
Yippee!

Kevin Bonham
04-10-2010, 10:54 PM
It's interesting, and perhaps not a coincidence, that the numbers were almost the same as for the Presidential vote.

I'm guessing it is a coincidence since I reckon that virtually all of western Europe voted for Karpov and Norway while much of eastern Europe voted for Kirsan and Bulgaria. Wouldn't surprise me if the number of countries on the losing side of both these votes is <20.

Denis_Jessop
05-10-2010, 02:04 PM
I'm guessing it is a coincidence since I reckon that virtually all of western Europe voted for Karpov and Norway while much of eastern Europe voted for Kirsan and Bulgaria. Wouldn't surprise me if the number of countries on the losing side of both these votes is <20.

I wonder about this as there was a recent Presidential Board meeting in Tromso and the FIDE website report was all praise for the organisers of the meeitng. At the same time they looked at the Tromso site for the Olympiad though no opinion about it was recorded. Also the Bulgarians are not happy with Kirsan after the Topalov - Kramnik match. FIDE politics are somewhat arcane. :confused:

DJ