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Garvinator
29-08-2004, 08:01 PM
On this and previous bb's, Paul S and others have given their thoughts on what is the biggest problem in australian chess.

Some of the theories have included:

1) Not enough ppl doing the work (lack of volunteers)
2) Personality conflicts which drive away other ppl from wanting to joining committees
3) Structure of memberships/tournaments etc.

Others have also been suggested but these are the ones i remember clearest.

I have thought about my next contender for a while but havent been able to work out how to express it, so here goes.

Lack of communication and knowledge between ppl in charge (office bearers usually) and the rank and file(as some ppl call the players, parents etc)

No matter how many leaflets, notices etc are sent out, the general membership ppl will generally not feel like they belong when their is no real knowledge of who is in charge and what they actually do etc.

I think this bb is a great way for people to get to know who is in charge, what they do, who runs things and to get extra knowledge from it.

But on this point, the trash that is bandied around doesnt help this at all and is detrimental to australian chess. So many ppl read the posts as guests and decide that they dont want to get involved cause of the trash and quite frankly, i dont blame them at all.

I have personally learnt so much on here(despite the crap) about how australian chess is run, how i think it can be improved and how the different states work.

Also without the various bb's, various conflicts regarding serious would not have been raised.

Now the question is, how do we get more real communication between the masses and the ppl in charge?

Paul S
29-08-2004, 10:02 PM
On this and previous bb's, Paul S and others have given their thoughts on what is the biggest problem in australian chess.

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I have thought about my next contender for a while but havent been able to work out how to express it, so here goes.

Lack of communication and knowledge between ppl in charge (office bearers usually) and the rank and file(as some ppl call the players, parents etc)


In last year's BB I actually created a thread "The Second Biggest Problem in Chess" with this as the second biggest problem in Australian chess! :P :lol:

I think the problem is with both "the people in charge" and "the rank and file chessplayers".

For example in NSW (my state) the NSWCA have not sent emails to members about upcoming tournaments for several months. Also the NSWCA should send out a "NSWCA Newsletter" to members a few times a year (like some other states do).

Yet at the same time, chessplayers have to take some action themselves! Often at my chess club I make announcements and when I look around I see about half the people either playing chess or talking (even after I have made an announcement for everyone to pay attention). I often see this happening at tournaments, as I am sure have all of you. These players have only themselves to blame for not being aware of information!

Garvinator
29-08-2004, 10:15 PM
In last year's BB I actually created a thread "The Second Biggest Problem in Chess" with this as the second biggest problem in Australian chess! :P :lol:
hence why i called my thread another :P


I think the problem is with both "the people in charge" and "the rank and file chessplayers".agree, both sides are responsible


For example in NSW (my state) the NSWCA have not sent emails to members about upcoming tournaments for several months. Also the NSWCA should send out a "NSWCA Newsletter" to members a few times a year (like some other states do). i agree with this in terms of communication, but i think that even if the players read all the information they got, this would still mean they are not aware of who is who in admin. Also for instance, how many ppl in australian chess have even the foggiest regarding how the rating system works, even on a basic level. Not many would be my answer. I would guess that my knowledge of how the rating system works is better than most and i would say that my knowledge is limited at best.


Yet at the same time, chessplayers have to take some action themselves! Often at my chess club I make announcements and when I look around I see about half the people either playing chess or talking (even after I have made an announcement for everyone to pay attention). I often see this happening at tournaments, as I am sure have all of you. These players have only themselves to blame for not being aware of information!

i guess overall part of what i was leading towards was identifying some more reasons as to how to get more ppl in administration and helpful positions.

Bill Gletsos
29-08-2004, 11:00 PM
For example in NSW (my state) the NSWCA have not sent emails to members about upcoming tournaments for several months. Also the NSWCA should send out a "NSWCA Newsletter" to members a few times a year (like some other states do).
I dont believe this is correct.
e.g.
The following emails were sent to NSWCA members by the NSWCA Communications Officer.
On the 16th July an advert for the August weekender on July 31st.
On 26th July s reminder about the August eweekender along with dates and information references to the NSW Rapid play, the Rooty Hill Open and the Coal City Open.
On August 2nd he sent out detailed information about the Coal City Open.

On top of all that an actual physical mailout was sent to members in late May
advertising the June weekender, the august weekender, the State rapid, the state championship abd I think the Ryde Eastwood Open on the October long weekend.

Paul S
29-08-2004, 11:20 PM
I dont believe this is correct.
e.g.
The following emails were sent to NSWCA members by the NSWCA Communications Officer.
On the 16th July an advert for the August weekender on July 31st.
On 26th July s reminder about the August eweekender along with dates and information references to the NSW Rapid play, the Rooty Hill Open and the Coal City Open.
On August 2nd he sent out detailed information about the Coal City Open.


I never received any of these! Maybe my email address has been accidentally deleted from the NSWCA Communications Officer's "email list of NSWCA Members"? Bill, can you check on this with Lloyd Fell next time you see him?

Another possibility is that my workplace (where my email is) had some major upgrades to its internet firewall a few months ago. Perhaps there is something in the NSWCA emails that my workplace's internet firewall does not like?

Have other NSWCA members received emails from the NSWCA about upcoming tournaments in recent months? Or am I the "only one" to have missed out?


On top of all that an actual physical mailout was sent to members in late May
advertising the June weekender, the august weekender, the State rapid, the state championship abd I think the Ryde Eastwood Open on the October long weekend.

Yes, this is a good initiative that the NSWCA implemented earlier this year (in light of the fact that a lot of NSWCA members do not have email).

What I was referring to was that I would like to see a "NSWCA Newsletter" mailed to members a few times a year (like some other states do). Such a newsletter would ideally fulfill the points touched on by Garvin, such as making people aware of who the NSWCA Office Bearers are (and perhaps include brief profiles of each Office Bearer), explain (briefly) how the ratings system works, let members know what "behind the scenes" work that the NSWCA does etc etc.

Rhubarb
30-08-2004, 01:24 AM
Have other NSWCA members received emails from the NSWCA about upcoming tournaments in recent months? Or am I the "only one" to have missed out?

Hi Paul, I can confirm that I received all the emails about upcoming tournaments that Bill alluded to, plus many others previously. When I decide I may want to play in a tournament and need to look up the details, however, rather than search for the email in question, I simply look at the NSWCA website and have unfailingly found the brochure in the most likely places (for pure functionality, nswca.org.au is far superior to chessvictoria.com in this respect, despite what 'doc' thinks).

In recent months, I have also received two physical mailouts of upcoming tournaments from the NSWCA.

Kevin Bonham
30-08-2004, 03:32 AM
I think this bb is a great way for people to get to know who is in charge, what they do, who runs things and to get extra knowledge from it.


Now the question is, how do we get more real communication between the masses and the ppl in charge?

I think the best way for people who want to get messages out to the masses generally is through the weekly newsletter. This is something we shouldn't miss chances to stress: everyone with even the tiniest interest in Australian chess should be subscribed to the newsletter (see ACF front page for details.)

arosar
30-08-2004, 09:11 AM
I can also confirm that I have been receiving tourney advise emails regularly.

AR

Garvinator
30-08-2004, 11:45 AM
weird, i have received some of these emails too :eek:

PHAT
30-08-2004, 04:12 PM
Hmmm. So, people without an email address are not recieving substantially less info and promo stuff. I recall asking at a NSWCA council meeting if I could help with any future mailouts. I was told that they are too expensive to do. [$80k too expensive?]

[Don't look for it in the minutes - little exchanges never enter the minutes, so they never happened.]

Bill Gletsos
30-08-2004, 04:59 PM
Hmmm. So, people without an email address are not recieving substantially less info and promo stuff. I recall asking at a NSWCA council meeting if I could help with any future mailouts. I was told that they are too expensive to do. [$80k too expensive?]

[Don't look for it in the minutes - little exchanges never enter the minutes, so they never happened.]
There was a phyiscal mailout at the start of the year that included the calendar for the whole year. Also included in that mailout were adverts for the Australia Day Weekender and the COS.

All NSWCA events that have had emails regarding them sent out since May were also in the physical mailout that went out in May.

Rincewind
30-08-2004, 05:08 PM
There was a phyiscal mailout at the start of the year that included the calendar for the whole year. Also included in that mailout were adverts for the Australia Day Weekender and the COS.

All NSWCA events that have had emails regarding them sent out since May were also in the physical mailout that went out in May.

I can confirm that I regularly get snail mail notifications of NSW and ACT tournaments. I usually have no need for them and bring them to my local club for the benefit of those who might miss or not receive them.

arosar
30-08-2004, 05:11 PM
Yes, I receive snail mail stuff also - which is not necessary since I have email and prefer that. So as you can see, there does appear to be a duplication of costs.

AR

Bill Gletsos
30-08-2004, 05:14 PM
Yes, I receive snail mail stuff also - which is not necessary since I have email and prefer that. So as you can see, there does appear to be a duplication of costs.

AR
I believe the decision was that everyone would receive the snail mail mailouts and that email reminders would be sent to those that had provided email addresses on their membership forms.

Paul S
30-08-2004, 07:20 PM
OK, it looks like my workplace's internet firewall does not like something in the NSWCA's tournament emails (the last one I recall receiving was for the City Of Sydney).

Anyway, in my case its no big deal, as I look at the NSWCA website about once a week, but it may be an issue for others (ie those who have a relatively secure internet firewall but rarely if ever look at the NSWCA website).

BTW, I received the "snail mail" flyers OK!

jenni
01-09-2004, 09:21 PM
dear Antichrist

I checked back and it was deleted by KB, as being irrelevant and stirring up trouble. I have to admit I thought it was cute, but I better display solidarity with my fellow mods and hold the line. Thus I have deleted your new one.

Lucena
01-09-2004, 10:07 PM
Hi Paul, I can confirm that I received all the emails about upcoming tournaments that Bill alluded to, plus many others previously. When I decide I may want to play in a tournament and need to look up the details, however, rather than search for the email in question, I simply look at the NSWCA website and have unfailingly found the brochure in the most likely places (for pure functionality, nswca.org.au is far superior to chessvictoria.com in this respect, despite what 'doc' thinks).

In recent months, I have also received two physical mailouts of upcoming tournaments from the NSWCA.

I also can confirm receipt of such emails and mailouts. And yes, I have had recourse to the CV website on a number of occasions and found it wanting as far as ease of navigation goes.

Lucena
01-09-2004, 10:18 PM
OK, it looks like my workplace's internet firewall does not like something in the NSWCA's tournament emails (the last one I recall receiving was for the City Of Sydney).

Anyway, in my case its no big deal, as I look at the NSWCA website about once a week, but it may be an issue for others (ie those who have a relatively secure internet firewall but rarely if ever look at the NSWCA website).



I would say that in that case the onus is on the computer user to ensure valid emails are not being chucked out. I am fairly sure there is not anything in those emails that would cause problems for people with normally functioning computers-only word attachments I think which are pretty run-of-the mill. The only thing I can possibly think of is that the email might be rejected because it contains an image of the NSWCA logo. If something like that is happening on a regular basis I would get a hotmail account for non-work related purposes and check it at home.

Rincewind
01-09-2004, 11:05 PM
I would say that in that case the onus is on the computer user to ensure valid emails are not being chucked out. I am fairly sure there is not anything in those emails that would cause problems for people with normally functioning computers-only word attachments I think which are pretty run-of-the mill. The only thing I can possibly think of is that the email might be rejected because it contains an image of the NSWCA logo. If something like that is happening on a regular basis I would get a hotmail account for non-work related purposes and check it at home.

Some computer network security guys block just about all attachments at the primary mail gateway. Things like .DOC files are potential hosts of macro style viruses and soare a likely target for blocking based on that extension alone. Perhaps the NSWCA should look at distributing emails with entry forms and tournament notices in .PDF format which are much less likely to be prone to this sort of blocking.

There could be other factors, like the messages are filtered as spam (unsolicited junk email) and therefore not delivered based on criteria other than the file attachment alone. Sender's address, message body content, etc.

I agree with you though Gareth. If you are going to nominate a particular address for te delivery of these sort of notices then I thnik the onus is on you to make sure the messages are not going to be blocked by your domain mail server and network. It can hardly be considered the NSWCA's fault that they don't get through. Regardless of whether it you your PC which is doing the bklocking or if it is being done further up the mail chain.

Paul S
01-09-2004, 11:13 PM
dear Antichrist

I checked back and it was deleted by KB, as being irrelevant and stirring up trouble. I have to admit I thought it was cute, but I better display solidarity with my fellow mods and hold the line. Thus I have deleted your new one.

Heck, it looks like I often miss Antichrist's best stuff!

Although I did (fortunately or unfortunately) see his post (the "offensive" part of which was subsequently deleted) about an "encounter" with a "chess official" in the Transgender Toilets at a Gay Mardi Gras - I'm glad I saw it - I had a good laugh about it - was one of the funniest/absurd things I have seen on this BB!!!

I have to admit that Peter Hanna adds life and colour to this forum. However, he is difficult to deal with - I had to deal with him for 5 years at Canterbury Leagues chess club!!! :rolleyes:

Paul S
01-09-2004, 11:17 PM
I would say that in that case the onus is on the computer user to ensure valid emails are not being chucked out. I am fairly sure there is not anything in those emails that would cause problems for people with normally functioning computers-only word attachments I think which are pretty run-of-the mill. The only thing I can possibly think of is that the email might be rejected because it contains an image of the NSWCA logo. If something like that is happening on a regular basis I would get a hotmail account for non-work related purposes and check it at home.


Yes, it could very well be the logo.

I should point out that my workplace's internet firewall is less than perfect - I get about 15-20 emails per day for Viagra, Cialis, penis enlargement etc!

I've occasionally thought of getting a home email address, but have just been lazy/apathetic. Well, I guess I'll have to give it a bit more serious thought! :lol:

Garvinator
01-09-2004, 11:28 PM
I should point out that my workplace's internet firewall is less than perfect - I get about 15-20 emails per day for Viagra, Cialis, penis enlargement etc!
then you can get these emails twice :P ;)

antichrist
02-09-2004, 02:22 PM
dear Antichrist

I checked back and it was deleted by KB, as being irrelevant and stirring up trouble. I have to admit I thought it was cute, but I better display solidarity with my fellow mods and hold the line. Thus I have deleted your new one.

Reply:
Since when has a post been deleted for been irrelevant and stirring up trouble??

Matt, where are you when I need you?

PHAT
02-09-2004, 05:10 PM
Reply:
Since when has a post been deleted for been irrelevant and stirring up trouble??

Matt, where are you when I need you?

It must have been a defo matter. I do partially recall the post, I think. Seemed harmless, I think.

JimF
05-09-2004, 02:45 PM
Astounding!!!

This thread has gone from "What are the big problems in the administration of Australian chess?" to "Me e-mail don't work" and "Guess who tried it on in the toilets?"

I think you have just discovered the big problem with Australian chess administration - and which also affects other clubs (social and non-social) of which I a member. A lack of focus on the main purpose of the club and the self-belief on the part of some administrators in refusing to consider rationally other points of view.

Happy Father's Day all of youse lot who are Dad's.

PHAT
05-09-2004, 09:56 PM
Happy Father's Day all of youse lot who are Dad's.

THX :) and same to you if it applies.

PHAT
05-09-2004, 09:58 PM
...and the self-belief on the part of some administrators in refusing to consider rationally other points of view.


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