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lost
24-03-2010, 10:02 AM
Hi to all the NZ chess players,

Is there any details of the NZ Chess Championship or has the NZCF decided to awarded best NZ player as the champion in the Oceania Zonal next year?

lost

CivicChessMan
01-04-2010, 04:46 AM
The NZ Congress is usually held right after Christmas/New Year and so there won't be a clash with the Zonal. Congress consists of a number of different tournaments for players of all ratings. The Zonal on the other hand is targeted at the top echelon. I would not expect over 110 years of tradition to be changed such that the NZ Champion is decided at a zonal.

Tony Dowden
01-04-2010, 09:45 PM
Any whispers on where it might be held?

flukey
05-04-2010, 07:33 AM
The NZ Congress is usually held right after Christmas/New Year and so there won't be a clash with the Zonal. Congress consists of a number of different tournaments for players of all ratings. The Zonal on the other hand is targeted at the top echelon. I would not expect over 110 years of tradition to be changed such that the NZ Champion is decided at a zonal.

Fine in theory but the Queenstown Chess Classics already broke the tradition! Anyone can play in the Zonal just as with Queenstown. The one difference I can see is that lower rated players have to pay higher entries fees but even this occurs with a number of overseas swisses.

Anyway, I had understood Canterbury had first option but the lack of any details makes me wonder just what is happening ... I hope if Canterbury has it that they don't go with the Kaikoura option ...

Tony Dowden
05-04-2010, 12:59 PM
Or the Invercargill option ;)

MrRookHammer
05-04-2010, 02:48 PM
the Kaikoura tournament was an excellent event, with a spectacular mountain backdrop.

I cant imagine Invercargill would be a popular choice

Tony Dowden
07-04-2010, 09:54 PM
I lived in good old Invers for three years - plus I once won a national title there - so it's not all bad (if you don't mind 10-15 degree summer weather that is).

Presumably the principle at stake is that national events should be relatively easy to get to. And not too decentralised.

CivicChessMan
27-04-2010, 07:14 AM
January 2nd-14th 2011 - 118th New Zealand Congress, Auckland.

Organised by Auckland Chess Centre. Venue: Alexandra Function Centre, Lyell Creek/Owners & Trainers Lounge, Green Lane, Auckland. Events: running from 2nd-12th January, the 118th New Zealand Championship and the Major Open; January 13th-14th, the New Zealand Rapid Championship; 14th January, the New Zealand Lightning Championship. More details will follow.

Second year in a row and 3 out of the last four if I'm not mistaken.

Tony Dowden
11-11-2010, 01:20 PM
Is there an entry form out for this event? (As in "more details will follow".)

Craig_Hall
11-11-2010, 11:39 PM
Is there an entry form out for this event? (As in "more details will follow".)

http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/calendar.html

Scroll down a bit to the entry for Congress, and it has the entry form for download.

Tony Dowden
12-11-2010, 07:40 PM
Thanks Craig :D

CivicChessMan
16-12-2010, 09:02 AM
Here is the latest list of entries for the NZ Championship: Bob Smith, Mike Steadman, Daniel Shen, Leonard McLaren, Helen Milligan, Matthew Barlow, Antonio Krstev, Ivan Dordevic, Peter Stuart, Richard Taylor, Alan Ansell, Hilton Bennett, Fuatai Fuatai and Ross Jackson. Still waiting for some of the heavyweights to enter.

Interesting that Hamish Gold who has qualified for the Championship by virtue of his South Island win has opted for the Major Open. Can Qbert enlighten us why?

ChrisBurns
16-12-2010, 02:50 PM
Entries so far (NZCF November ratings, with November FIDE in brackets):
IM Russell Dive 2460 (2375), IM Anthony Ker 2444 (2336), FM Scott Wastney 2375 (2300), FM Bob Smith 2371 (2287), FM Mike Steadman 2362 (2285), Daniel Shen 2258 (2187), Leonard McLaren 2244 (2207), Helen Milligan 2148 (2028), Matthew Barlow 2137 (2140), Antonio Krstev 2129 (2094), Noel Pinic 2121 (2035), Bob Gibbons 2086 (2022), Ivan Dordevic 2080 (-), Peter Stuart 2070 (2025), Richard Taylor 2065 (1929), Alan Ansell 2050 (2001), Hilton Bennett 2046 (1974), Fuatai Fuatai 2027 (2017), Ross Jackson 2013 (1966), Hamish Gold 1927 (1841)
(following applicants subject to Council approval) Luke Li 1992 (1943), Bill Forster 1990 (1908), Hans Gao 1987 (1842), Judy Gao 1964 (1897)


The Major Open will be an 11-round Swiss system tournament open to all NZ players with a current NZCF standard rating of under 2000. Players with a current NZCF rating over 2000 are not eligible.
Entries so far (NZCF November ratings):
Peter Fraemohs 1999, David Evans 1984, Caleb Wright 1936, Bruce Kay 1802, Don Stracy 1796, Arthur Casilang 1746, Bob Mitchell 1726, John Pakenham 1715, Wayne Puepuemai 1687, Scott Yang 1648, Michael Roberts 1622, David Rong 1604, Malo Puepuemai 1501, George Chen 1473, Hao Jia 1459, William J W Zhang 1409, Hristo Kolev 1397, Andrew Geng Li 1354, John Ansell 1320, Cathy Fan 1308, Leo Zhang 1209, Linton Rudkins 1141, Allen Fan 1018, Olivia Dong 1000, Brian Lim
These are the latest listings from today (16/12), so as can be seen Hamish Gold is now in Champs along with the 3 strong Wellington players Dive, Ker and Wastney.

CivicChessMan
16-12-2010, 04:30 PM
From the latest rating list, the Championship has players ranked 1, 2, 5, 6, 7, 15, 19, 28, 32, 33, 34 and 47 of the top 50. It's looking good.

There are a number of Aucklanders in the top 50 that are currently not amongst the entries. Will we see any of Paul Garbett, Bruce Watson, Gino Thornton, Daniel Han or Bruce Wheeler? And can Murray Chandler be coaxed out to play? That would make for an very interesting tournament.

Tony Dowden
17-12-2010, 08:15 AM
:hmm: I suppose we can assume IM Paul Garbett and Gino Thornton will play.

What is Ivan Dordevic's background? (A recent arrival to NZ?)

Hamish Gold will win the Silver Rook. You read it here first :whistle:

flukey
17-12-2010, 10:42 AM
I'm spending my leave budget by going to the Zonal so I won't be playing.

Like Tony, I'll be rooting for Hamish!!!

CivicChessMan
17-12-2010, 11:07 AM
Looks like Council have given approval to the under 2000 applicants: Luke Li, Bill Forster, Hans Gao and Judy Gao. Hope that proves to be the correct decision. So there are now 24 players in the Championship.

But where are the Aussies? Preferring the Zonal no doubt. Little unfortunate that the dates of these two tournaments are so close.

Tony Dowden
17-12-2010, 12:39 PM
:hmm: I suppose we can assume IM Paul Garbett and Gino Thornton will play.

Actually, Gino says he's a non-starter.

Tony Dowden
17-12-2010, 12:52 PM
Looks like Council have given approval to the under 2000 applicants: Luke Li, Bill Forster, Hans Gao and Judy Gao. Hope that proves to be the correct decision. So there are now 24 players in the Championship.
I think this is a positive, forward-looking, and sound decision by the NZCF exec as: (1) the bottom end of the NZ Ch'p hasn't been particularly strong for a long time (if I can keep getting 50%, or close, then it's not very strong), and (2) the Ch'p is by far the the best event for developing young players and in many cases juniors have acquitted themselves quite well. In contrast, I thought it was a real pity that a couple of strong juniors - Krstev Jr & Petrevski(?) - were turned down for the NZ Ch'p field a few years ago (despite only being a few rating points below the cut-off).


But where are the Aussies? Preferring the Zonal no doubt. Little unfortunate that the dates of these two tournaments are so close.
It is actually a New Zealand Championship! And in my particular case, my wife and her Aussie-Kiwi husband are celebrating our 100th birthday and going on a non-chess playing holiday :D

Brian_Jones
17-12-2010, 02:49 PM
But where are the Aussies? Preferring the Zonal no doubt. Little unfortunate that the dates of these two tournaments are so close.

Do you encourage Aussies to play? Where is the advertising?

Apart from Queenstown, my last NZ Championship was Christchurch in 2001?(when there was lots of excitement after the band practice!)

CivicChessMan
18-12-2010, 01:03 AM
There have been a few Australians in the Championship in the past (excluding Queenstown). According to the Congress web page "overseas players may be invited by the NZCF council".

CivicChessMan
18-12-2010, 01:13 AM
I think this is a positive, forward-looking, and sound decision by the NZCF exec ... (despite only being a few rating points below the cut-off).

So where should the cut-off be? A limit has to be set somewhere and there is always a risk that someone will miss out by a few points. Should there be some wildcard spots (up to 4 for example) that can be used for promising juniors, at the discretion of NZCF? Otherwise, let's stick to the limit.

Tony Dowden
18-12-2010, 11:36 AM
So where should the cut-off be? A limit has to be set somewhere and there is always a risk that someone will miss out by a few points. Should there be some wildcard spots (up to 4 for example) that can be used for promising juniors, at the discretion of NZCF? Otherwise, let's stick to the limit.

Interesting question CCM but I my point was that allowing room for exceptions is generally preferable to rigidly adhering to a cut-off. Case in point: Murray Chandler didn't qualify to play in his first NZ Ch'p in 1974/75 but was allowed a wild-card and then won at his very next attempt a year later.

Further to the 115th Ch'p in 2008 (also won by Chandler, by the way) and from increasingly fallible memory, Petrevski had actually demonstrated he was strong enough to play in Ch'p as his 'live' FIDE rating was above the required threshold. And in the year prior, Mario Krstev had had a string of impressive performances without quite managing to attain the consistency needed to crack the required Elo. Both seemed obvious candidates for wildcards but the NZCF exec at the time was unmoved.

Adamski
18-12-2010, 02:09 PM
Hamish Gold will win the Silver Rook. You read it here first :whistle:
Pretty good going when he's not in the field - unless someone changed his mind - he was in the Major Open.

GinoTHEstud
19-12-2010, 05:38 AM
Interesting that Hamish Gold who has qualified for the Championship by virtue of his South Island win has opted for the Major Open. Can Qbert enlighten us why?

Do we need an explanation......

Yeah I won't be playing this year. Need to work! Being the Busy Banker Boy i now am. I am however eyeing up the Rapid and Lighting Championship. Bruce Watson told me he is looking to playing congress. So that's another one. Garbett I don't think is... but what do i no.

heligan
19-12-2010, 07:04 AM
Entries so far (NZCF November ratings, with November FIDE in brackets):
IM Russell Dive 2460 (2375), IM Anthony Ker 2444 (2336), FM Scott Wastney 2375 (2300), FM Bob Smith 2371 (2287), FM Mike Steadman 2362 (2285), Daniel Shen 2258 (2187), Leonard McLaren 2244 (2207), Bruce Wheeler 2190 (2122), Helen Milligan 2148 (2028), Matthew Barlow 2137 (2140), Antonio Krstev 2129 (2094), Noel Pinic 2121 (2035), Bob Gibbons 2086 (2022), Ivan Dordevic 2080 (-), Peter Stuart 2070 (2025), Richard Taylor 2065 (1929), Alan Ansell 2050 (2001), Hilton Bennett 2046 (1974), Nathan Goodhue 2030 (1996), Fuatai Fuatai 2027 (2017), Ross Jackson 2013 (1966), Luke Li 1992 (1943), Bill Forster 1990 (1908), Hans Gao 1987 (1842), Judy Gao 1964 (1897), Hamish Gold 1927 (1841)

Adamski
19-12-2010, 07:45 AM
Aha! Hamish has changed his mind! Good move I think.

heligan
19-12-2010, 08:39 AM
Hamish Gold entered the Championship, as is his right as winner of the South Island Championship. He did not enter the Major Open.

CivicChessMan
19-12-2010, 11:17 AM
Winston Yao won the NZ Junior Championship which means he is an automatic qualifier. 27 entries so far.

Tony Dowden
19-12-2010, 04:44 PM
Winston Yao won the NZ Junior Championship which means he is an automatic qualifier. 27 entries so far.

Thanks CCM.

:hmm: But given that Winston's NZ rating of 1676 translates to a FIDE of around 1500-1600, perhaps there should be cut-offs afterall! (Even for 'automatic' qualifiers).

CivicChessMan
20-12-2010, 09:33 AM
I have sent some thoughts to NZCF about Winston Yao's participation in the NZ Championship. I may post those here once I have heard back.

Craig_Hall
20-12-2010, 12:10 PM
Thanks CCM.

:hmm: But given that Winston's NZ rating of 1676 translates to a FIDE of around 1500-1600, perhaps there should be cut-offs afterall! (Even for 'automatic' qualifiers).

Steve Coates anyone? (although to his credit, Steve did heaps of prep and was probably a 2000 strength player when he left NZ)

On a personal note, I don't think it's worth having a cutoff, because I don't think it will happen often enough to be an ongoing problem.

ChrisBurns
20-12-2010, 08:07 PM
I suppose if the regulations allow for these automatic qualifiers then the organizers have to allow these entries.The good thing is that it brings in another $60 for the federation and will help towards prize money.
I can't make Championship due to work, but hope to play in the Rapid and Lightning like last year, one thing I wish for is that they make the lightning a 3min+2sec event, last year I lost some winning games on time as I tend to play online with increments so am not use to sudden death so much.
I have managed to get my rapid rating under 2000 so might qualify for a grade prize if I do well enough.

Tony Dowden
21-12-2010, 07:02 AM
Oops, I don't want to sound as if I think we should ignore automatic qualification!

I just think that in the future we could think about adding rider - perhaps along the lines that automatic qualification is conditional on having a rating of, say, 1800 NZ or 1850 FIDE. Something like that anyway.

Tony Dowden
21-12-2010, 07:03 AM
Steve Coates anyone? (although to his credit, Steve did heaps of prep and was probably a 2000 strength player when he left NZ)

On a personal note, I don't think it's worth having a cutoff, because I don't think it will happen often enough to be an ongoing problem.

Coates was around 1900 wasn't he? (Definitely not 1600-1700)

Craig_Hall
21-12-2010, 10:03 AM
Coates was around 1900 wasn't he? (Definitely not 1600-1700)

When he qualified by winning the SI Champs, he was in the 1600s somewhere, I remember the tournament report commenting on how the seedings hadn't meant much (he was 12th seed). He probably went up a fair few points following that, of course. Remembering him at Canty CC, he was in the 1800s for a few years, but couldn't get into the 1900s until Bruce Anderson started playing again, which boosted the lower ratings, which then boosted the higher ratings.

flukey
21-12-2010, 10:58 AM
When he qualified by winning the SI Champs, he was in the 1600s somewhere, I remember the tournament report commenting on how the seedings hadn't meant much (he was 12th seed). He probably went up a fair few points following that, of course. Remembering him at Canty CC, he was in the 1800s for a few years, but couldn't get into the 1900s until Bruce Anderson started playing again, which boosted the lower ratings, which then boosted the higher ratings.

I agree - in the late 1980s the Canty CC Club ratings all went up when I, and a number of others, travelled to North Island tourneys, gained lots of rating points and redistributed them when back in South Island. Dean Edwards did a particularly spectacular version of this by having a 2300-2400 performance at the North Island Champs and then having a losing run as soon as he got back!!!

Back to the current example of Winston, if he is good enough to win the New Zealand juniour, then I am certain he won't finish last in the NZ Champs regardless of what his rating was. I would be far more confident in beating a known 2000 rated adult than some sneaky underrated juniour! I also tend to think that any young player, eg Krstev, who is close to the cuttoff should be let in and given their chance. Basically it is hard to have a meaningful swiss if the numbers are too constricted ..

Of course, having a 12 player closed champs (every second year in an Olympiad year) would be a much better system - in the "old days" it was a real achievement to even make the 12 person field and that caused lots of competition at the North and South Island Champs etc etc.

CivicChessMan
21-12-2010, 01:00 PM
I'm not opposed to the idea of automatic qualification. I even think the NZ Senior Championship should be included in the list. However, I think that part of regulation 2.2.8 should be added to rule 2.2.3a. Here are my revised regulations.

2.2.3a Notwithstanding rule 2.2.3, the defending New Zealand champion(s) shall qualify automatically for the Championship tournament.

2.2.3b The highest placed New Zealand player in each of the following tournaments in the current year shall be eligible for the Championship, subject to approval by selectors appointed by the Council: New Zealand Junior Championship, New Zealand Senior Championship, New Zealand Major Open, North Island Championship and South Island Championship. A tie in any of these four tournaments shall be resolved according to Tournament Rule 1.7. The selection committee must be reasonably certain that
the player’s actual strength is consistent with the principles of tournament regulation 2.2.3.
The selectors may take into account the effect of the player’s selection on the tournament as a whole.

CivicChessMan
21-12-2010, 01:17 PM
1 COATES, STEPHEN CA 1796 W19 W27 W2 D4 D3 W5 W9 W6 7
2 SINCLAIR, MARK WE 2141 W7 W13 L1 W12 W4 W11 W3 D5 6˝
3 GUTHRIE, DAVID OT 2089 W9 D12 W21 D6 D1 W4 L2 W11 5˝
4 SCHWASS, MICHAEL CI 1839 W26 W14 W8 D1 L2 L3 W15 W9 5˝
5 WEEGENAAR, DAVID CA 2008 L21 W26 W14 W8 W6 L1 W7 D2 5˝
6 BENNETT, HILTON HA 1932 W24 D21 W23 D3 L5 W8 W11 L1 5
7 RAYNER, ERIC OT 1753 L2 W16 W13 L15 W17 W12 L5 W14 5
8 s NIJMAN, ARIE CA 1750 W20 W10 L4 L5 W14 L6 W24 W16 5
9 DOLEJS, DAN NE 1649 L3 D20 W25 W21 W13 W15 L1 L4 4˝
10 FOORD, MALCOLM OT 1774 D16 L8 W20 L11 L24 W25 W18 W22 4˝

Tony Dowden
21-12-2010, 09:32 PM
1 COATES, STEPHEN CA 1796 W19 W27 W2 D4 D3 W5 W9 W6 7
2 SINCLAIR, MARK WE 2141 W7 W13 L1 W12 W4 W11 W3 D5 6˝
3 GUTHRIE, DAVID OT 2089 W9 D12 W21 D6 D1 W4 L2 W11 5˝
4 SCHWASS, MICHAEL CI 1839 W26 W14 W8 D1 L2 L3 W15 W9 5˝
5 WEEGENAAR, DAVID CA 2008 L21 W26 W14 W8 W6 L1 W7 D2 5˝
6 BENNETT, HILTON HA 1932 W24 D21 W23 D3 L5 W8 W11 L1 5
7 RAYNER, ERIC OT 1753 L2 W16 W13 L15 W17 W12 L5 W14 5
8 s NIJMAN, ARIE CA 1750 W20 W10 L4 L5 W14 L6 W24 W16 5
9 DOLEJS, DAN NE 1649 L3 D20 W25 W21 W13 W15 L1 L4 4˝
10 FOORD, MALCOLM OT 1774 D16 L8 W20 L11 L24 W25 W18 W22 4˝

Thanks CCM. So in rough terms Coates was 1800 when he won the SI and around 1900 when he played in Ch'p.

Tony Dowden
21-12-2010, 09:36 PM
Back to the current example of Winston, if he is good enough to win the New Zealand juniour, then I am certain he won't finish last in the NZ Champs regardless of what his rating was. I would be far more confident in beating a known 2000 rated adult than some sneaky under-rated juniour!


Excellent point - I didn't realise Winston is the NZ Junior title-holder.

In my case I've been savaged by under-rated, over-coached, uber-strong Aussie juniors for the past five years :( As have Mike Steadman and Russell Dive ;)

flukey
22-12-2010, 06:03 AM
Excellent point - I didn't realise Winston is the NZ Junior title-holder.

In my case I've been savaged by under-rated, over-coached, uber-strong Aussie juniors for the past five years :( As have Mike Steadman and Russell Dive ;)

Totally agree - I was thinking of those Aussie juniors rated 1800 or whatever when I posted. There is no need for the amendment CCC proposes as the North Island and NZ Junior winners will be strong no matter what their ratings say. It seems one every 15 years there is an under 2000 winner of the South Island Champs who sneaks in - this time it is Hamish Gold and it is a great reward for his hard work over many years!

Capablanca-Fan
22-12-2010, 08:08 AM
I'm not opposed to the idea of automatic qualification. I even think the NZ Senior Championship should be included in the list. However, I think that part of regulation 2.2.8 should be added to rule 2.2.3a. Here are my revised regulations.

2.2.3a Notwithstanding rule 2.2.3, the defending New Zealand champion(s) shall qualify automatically for the Championship tournament.

2.2.3b The highest placed New Zealand player in each of the following tournaments in the current year shall be eligible for the Championship, subject to approval by selectors appointed by the Council: New Zealand Junior Championship, New Zealand Senior Championship, New Zealand Major Open, North Island Championship and South Island Championship. A tie in any of these four tournaments shall be resolved according to Tournament Rule 1.7. The selection committee must be reasonably certain that
the player’s actual strength is consistent with the principles of tournament regulation 2.2.3.
The selectors may take into account the effect of the player’s selection on the tournament as a whole.
I have to disagree. There is a lack of transparency with such a condition, while automatic qualifications at least let players know where they stand. I also don't see why the Senior Champ should get a qualifying spot, at least not if it's top 12 as it should be.

CivicChessMan
22-12-2010, 11:21 AM
It seems once every 15 years there is an under 2000 winner of the South Island Champs who sneaks in - this time it is Hamish Gold and it is a great reward for his hard work over many years!

I would not have excluded Hamish Gold from the Championship under my proposed regulation. His pre-Congress rating of 1927 plus an over 2000 performance in the South Island fulfills the conditions.

CivicChessMan
22-12-2010, 11:35 AM
The 2010 NZ Junior Championship was very weak when compared to the previous 5 years. The highest rated player was Alex Huang 1896 (2nd), 2 over 1600, 2 over 1500 including the winner Winston Yao, 1 over 1400, 2 over 1300, 5 over 1200 with the remaining 23 players below 1200. A total of 36 players. In the previous 5 years, the winners have been Andrew Chen and Alan Ansell in 2009, Sue Maroroa, Andrew Chen and Mario Krstev in 2008, Mario Krstev again in 2007, Gino Thornton in 2006 and 2005. Two players had pre-Congress ratings of over 1900 with the rest over 2000. None of these players would have looked out of place in the Championship. In this year's NZ Junior, there were two players with ratings of 1295 and 1282 who were in contention to win the tournament, eventually finishing fourth equal. Can anyone honestly say that had one of these players won that it would be reasonable to include him in the Championship. The automatic qualification regulation is relatively new and was introduced to encourage a strong turnout in the qualifying tournaments. This was not the case in the 2010 NZ Junior.

CivicChessMan
22-12-2010, 12:00 PM
I have to disagree. There is a lack of transparency with such a condition, while automatic qualifications at least let players know where they stand. I also don't see why the Senior Champ should get a qualifying spot, at least not if it's top 12 as it should be.

When the NZ Championship was a top 12 round-robin, there was no automatic qualification regulation. As long as the Championship is a Swiss then why shouldn't the NZ Senior Champion be eligible.

There are 9 senior players with ratings over 1900:

1 THOMAS B 2208
2 GIBBONS RE 2086
3 STUART PW 2070
4 TAYLOR R 2065
5 VETHARANIAM PAR 2016
6 FRAEMOHS P 1999
7 JANISZ A 1955
8 DAVIES G 1923
9 LYNN KW 1914

Of these, Bob Gibbons, Peter Stuart and Richard Taylor are in this year's Championship. Current NZ Senior Champion is Bill Lynn. The senior division will just keep getting stronger.

CivicChessMan
22-12-2010, 12:08 PM
Bruce Watson is the latest entry in th NZ Championship, bringing the number of entries to 28. Here are the rankings of the players who are in top 50 active list: 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 14, 24, 27, 31, 32, 33 and 46.

flukey
22-12-2010, 03:33 PM
When the NZ Championship was a top 12 round-robin, there was no automatic qualification regulation. As long as the Championship is a Swiss then why shouldn't the NZ Senior Champion be eligible.

This doesn't accord with my recollection - The North Island, South Island, and Premier Reserve all used to be qualifiers for the Champs and they were very keenly contested because of it.

flukey
22-12-2010, 03:50 PM
[QUOTE=CivicChessMan]The 2010 NZ Junior Championship was very weak when compared to the previous 5 years. QUOTE]

Well all the winners in the last 6 years were weak compared to the early to mid 80s when players like Dive, Sarfati, myself often finished down the track. But so what? All we are talking about is one spot in a tourney with a lowish (2000) cutt-off. Even in the last couple of years, we have had juniors (Shen) get close to the title. I don't recall any seniors getting much above mid table.

I know nothing about Vincent but years of experience of underrated juniors means I would be more worried playing him than a 2000 established adult.

CivicChessMan
22-12-2010, 05:04 PM
Ortvin Sarapu won the NZ Championship twice while in his 60's. In 1985/86 he shared the title with Adrian Lloyd and in 89/90 with Ben Martin. In the 2006 Queenstown Classic, Richard Sutton finished 13th equal. Maybe these are extreme examples but it serves to illustrate that just because a player is over 60 doesn't mean one can't compete at the highest level.

flukey
22-12-2010, 08:08 PM
Ortvin Sarapu won the NZ Championship twice while in his 60's. In 1985/86 he shared the title with Adrian Lloyd and in 89/90 with Ben Martin. In the 2006 Queenstown Classic, Richard Sutton finished 13th equal. Maybe these are extreme examples but it serves to illustrate that just because a player is over 60 doesn't mean one can't compete at the highest level.

I was almost tempted not to point it out but I'm going to succumb - Adrian and Ben were both juniors!!!

No debate about seniors - the point you raised and I disagree with is one automatic place for juniors in a fairly open tourney structure (plus 2000 and you are in, below that you still might apply and get in). You want to change the rule on account of one perceived weak NZ junior.

Vincent, please play well in the champs are you will make me look silly(er)!

Tony Dowden
22-12-2010, 08:11 PM
The 2010 NZ Junior Championship was very weak when compared to the previous 5 years. The highest rated player was Alex Huang 1896 (2nd), 2 over 1600, 2 over 1500 including the winner Winston Yao, 1 over 1400, 2 over 1300, 5 over 1200 with the remaining 23 players below 1200. A total of 36 players. In the previous 5 years, the winners have been Andrew Chen and Alan Ansell in 2009, Sue Maroroa, Andrew Chen and Mario Krstev in 2008, Mario Krstev again in 2007, Gino Thornton in 2006 and 2005. Two players had pre-Congress ratings of over 1900 with the rest over 2000. None of these players would have looked out of place in the Championship. In this year's NZ Junior, there were two players with ratings of 1295 and 1282 who were in contention to win the tournament, eventually finishing fourth equal. Can anyone honestly say that had one of these players won that it would be reasonable to include him in the Championship. The automatic qualification regulation is relatively new and was introduced to encourage a strong turnout in the qualifying tournaments. This was not the case in the 2010 NZ Junior.

Very interesting point CCM. I'm amazed the 2010 event was so weak! (No disrespect to Winston Yao or the other contestants intended but the comparison with other years should be made).

Tony Dowden
24-12-2010, 07:12 AM
Ortvin Sarapu won the NZ Championship twice while in his 60's. In 1985/86 he shared the title with Adrian Lloyd and in 89/90 with Ben Martin. In the 2006 Queenstown Classic, Richard Sutton finished 13th equal. Maybe these are extreme examples but it serves to illustrate that just because a player is over 60 doesn't mean one can't compete at the highest level.

They ARE extreme examples! (No player I know of competes at the 'highest level' after 60 - not even 'evergreens' Lasker, Botvinnik or Korchnoi). In these two cases, I was competitive with both Ortvin and Richard after they were 60 - but not before ;)

Having said this, I'm not against the top senior getting into the NZ Ch'p as there's plenty of evidence the best seniors will be strong enough - especially with the Fischer boom generation appearing on the scene in a few more years.

(BTW: who the mysterious top-ranked senior named B Thomas?)

Tony Dowden
24-12-2010, 07:18 AM
No player I know of competes at the 'highest level' after 60

Actually, Arie Nijman could be the exception!

CivicChessMan
24-12-2010, 09:41 AM
So who is your favourite to win the 118th NZ Championship? No surprise if the winner comes from the three musketeers from Wellington: Russell Dive, defending champion Anthony Ker and the in-form Scott Wastney. Wastney drew with Dive and beat Ker in the Julian Mazur Memorial. Can Daniel Shen repeat his outstanding performance of 2010? Has Mike Steadman benefitted from his recent overseas tournament experiences? Will Bob Smith and Bruce Watson provide a major threat to the musketeers? The dark horses could be Noel Pinic, Alan Ansell and Luke Li. I won't make a prediction though as I wouldn't want to put the jinx on anyone.

CivicChessMan
24-12-2010, 10:23 AM
Ben Thomas is a member of the Upper Hutt Chess Club. He emigrated to New Zealand in 1987 from the UK. He is a former member of the Formby club on Merseyside. First appeared on the NZCF rating list in 2000. All of his rated games are from either the Upper Hutt club champs or the Upper Hutt 30/30. In this year's Upper Hutt 30/30 he finished a clear second behind GM Gawain Jones, ahead of Ker and Dive.

Tony Dowden
25-12-2010, 03:05 PM
Ben Thomas is a member of the Upper Hutt Chess Club. He emigrated to New Zealand in 1987 from the UK. He is a former member of the Formby club on Merseyside. First appeared on the NZCF rating list in 2000. All of his rated games are from either the Upper Hutt club champs or the Upper Hutt 30/30. In this year's Upper Hutt 30/30 he finished a clear second behind GM Gawain Jones, ahead of Ker and Dive.

Thanks for the bio on Ben Thomas CCM :)

No doubt you are having an especially white Christmas this year!

Capablanca-Fan
25-12-2010, 05:22 PM
This doesn't accord with my recollection - The North Island, South Island, and Premier Reserve all used to be qualifiers for the Champs and they were very keenly contested because of it.
That is my recollection too.


Well all the winners in the last 6 years were weak compared to the early to mid 80s when players like Dive, Sarfati, myself often finished down the track.
Umm, when did I finish down the track?

CivicChessMan
25-12-2010, 09:28 PM
No doubt you are having an especially white Christmas this year!

Definitely white and -22C. Wish all fellow chess chatters a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Chess Year. Look forward to some interesting and lively discussions in 2011.

CivicChessMan
25-12-2010, 11:17 PM
I've only managed to find results from 1985 onwards.

1985: 1st A Ker 6/7; 2nd= N Hopewell, R Dive 5; 4th= R Hart, M Dreyer, C Blaxall, B Martin-Buss 4 (13 players).

1986: 1st A Ker 5.5/6; 2nd M van der Hoorn 4.5; 3rd= P Cooper, M Wilson 3.5 (11 players)

1987: 1st B Martin 6.5/7; 2nd M Wilson 6; 3rd C Ker 4; 4th S Lukey 3.5 (8 players).

1988: 1st= P Cooper, B Martin 4.5/5; 3rd D Elliot (15 players - no crosstable found :( ).

1989: 1st B Martin 6.5/7; 2nd P Tuffery 5.5; 3rd= T Steffensen, TN Choo 4.5 (14 players).

1990: 1st P Tuffery 5.5/7; 2nd= D Boyd, C Stott 5; 4th= M Chan, G Gill 4.5 (16 players).

Twenty years on and the NZ Junior attendance has been 35, 66, 56, 61, 59 and 36 for years 2005 to 2010. This is an average increase of 400%!

flukey
26-12-2010, 06:40 AM
That is my recollection too.


Umm, when did I finish down the track?

I was thinking of the NZ junior in Christchurch around 1983 - the one that Michael Hampl won. Many decent juniors played, Dive, Ker, McKenzie, Wilson, me etc etc and I thought you played but maybe you skipped that one ...

flukey
26-12-2010, 06:42 AM
I've only managed to find results from 1985 onwards.

1985: 1st A Ker 6/7; 2nd= N Hopewell, R Dive 5; 4th= R Hart, M Dreyer, C Blaxall, B Martin-Buss 4 (13 players).

1986: 1st A Ker 5.5/6; 2nd M van der Hoorn 4.5; 3rd= P Cooper, M Wilson 3.5 (11 players)

1987: 1st B Martin 6.5/7; 2nd M Wilson 6; 3rd C Ker 4; 4th S Lukey 3.5 (8 players).

1988: 1st= P Cooper, B Martin 4.5/5; 3rd D Elliot (15 players - no crosstable found :( ).

1989: 1st B Martin 6.5/7; 2nd P Tuffery 5.5; 3rd= T Steffensen, TN Choo 4.5 (14 players).

1990: 1st P Tuffery 5.5/7; 2nd= D Boyd, C Stott 5; 4th= M Chan, G Gill 4.5 (16 players).

Twenty years on and the NZ Junior attendance has been 35, 66, 56, 61, 59 and 36 for years 2005 to 2010. This is an average increase of 400%!

Yes I think we all agree the quantity has gone up but the quality has gone down :)

Qbert
26-12-2010, 08:16 AM
I was thinking of the NZ junior in Christchurch around 1983 - the one that Michael Hampl won. Many decent juniors played, Dive, Ker, McKenzie, Wilson, me etc etc and I thought you played but maybe you skipped that one ...
I remember that one (1984) and Hampl won on tie break from Sarfati on the same score (5.5/7 I think). The year before was also in Chch and I think Jono might have also finished 2nd only on tie break to Adrian Lloyd. Hardly down the track though...;)

flukey
26-12-2010, 09:51 AM
I remember that one (1984) and Hampl won on tie break from Sarfati on the same score (5.5/7 I think). The year before was also in Chch and I think Jono might have also finished 2nd only on tie break to Adrian Lloyd. Hardly down the track though...;)

Happy days! Thing were sure tough then - Jono pipped at the post by the Canterbury Junior School of Chess 2 years running!

Tony Dowden
26-12-2010, 09:51 AM
Umm, when did I finish down the track?

Fair call, Jono was a very strong junior

Capablanca-Fan
27-12-2010, 05:02 PM
I remember that one (1984) and Hampl won on tie break from Sarfati on the same score (5.5/7 I think). The year before was also in Chch and I think Jono might have also finished 2nd only on tie break to Adrian Lloyd. Hardly down the track though...;)
No, there was no tie break to decide junior title any more than there was for NZ Champ, NI or SI titles, just to decide first dibs to represent NZ in an overseas junior champs. We were co-champions, rather different from being way down in the field.

Tony Dowden
27-12-2010, 05:29 PM
So who is your favourite to win the 118th NZ Championship? No surprise if the winner comes from the three musketeers from Wellington: Russell Dive, defending champion Anthony Ker and the in-form Scott Wastney. Wastney drew with Dive and beat Ker in the Julian Mazur Memorial. Can Daniel Shen repeat his outstanding performance of 2010? Has Mike Steadman benefitted from his recent overseas tournament experiences? Will Bob Smith and Bruce Watson provide a major threat to the musketeers? The dark horses could be Noel Pinic, Alan Ansell and Luke Li. I won't make a prediction though as I wouldn't want to put the jinx on anyone.
I don't believe in jinxes ;) so Mike Steadman (home advantage, no nasty Aussies, and he must be due to 'fire' again) and Anthony Ker (oodles of titles and never-ending grittiness) are my two favourites with Daniel Shen (a genuine talent) the best 'dark horse' option.

Tony Dowden
27-12-2010, 05:32 PM
Definitely white and -22C.

:lol: Unsurprising at your latitude, as I see even Jono had a white one much further south in Atlanta.

Capablanca-Fan
28-12-2010, 06:21 AM
:lol: Unsurprising at your latitude, as I see even Jono had a white one much further south in Atlanta.
I escaped to Florida, visiting our baby granddaughter, but it would have been white if I'd stayed at home. I've never had a white Christmas actually

Tony Dowden
28-12-2010, 07:45 AM
I escaped to Florida, visiting our baby granddaughter, but it would have been white if I'd stayed at home. I've never had a white Christmas actually
Never had a white one?! You'll have to vist CCM at the North Pole next year then :lol:

Craig_Hall
29-12-2010, 12:43 AM
Happy days! Thing were sure tough then - Jono pipped at the post by the Canterbury Junior School of Chess 2 years running!

I remember they used to be round robins, with the top 2 juniors from each region qualifying, and they used to be schoolpupil events, rather than junior (u20). Sadly, when I finally "qualified" in 1997, the tournament had just become open for the first time, and had also switched to a junior event.

Capablanca-Fan
29-12-2010, 03:12 AM
I remember they used to be round robins, with the top 2 juniors from each region qualifying, and they used to be schoolpupil events, rather than junior (u20). Sadly, when I finally "qualified" in 1997, the tournament had just become open for the first time, and had also switched to a junior event.
This was the NZ Schoolpupils, distinct from the NZ Junior.

Craig_Hall
29-12-2010, 10:44 AM
They were separate? Damn, I'd have liked to attend the NZ juniors earlier than I did, but that was never presented as an option.

GinoTHEstud
29-12-2010, 02:35 PM
I would not have excluded Hamish Gold from the Championship under my proposed regulation. His pre-Congress rating of 1927 plus an over 2000 performance in the South Island fulfills the conditions.

This congress is so weak...Before the rating inflation all the players below krstev wouldnt be a given fav to even win the major open. If the whos whos of everywhere turned up. This is NZ preimer event. 2000 now is like old 1850 - 1900 easily.

Good for the numbers though, and im sure there may be a few upsets, but it would be far more exiciting if the cut off was 2200 for this one. The major open would be awsome to watch with the 16 bottom players from the current championship entries.

CivicChessMan
29-12-2010, 08:42 PM
This congress is so weak...Before the rating inflation all the players below krstev wouldnt be a given fav to even win the major open. If the whos whos of everywhere turned up. This is NZ preimer event. 2000 now is like old 1850 - 1900 easily.

In the 2010 Championship, there were 20 players in the top 50 with rankings: 3, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 18, 19, 21, 27, 30, 32, 38, 45, 47, 48, 49 and 50. In the 2011 Championship, there are 13 players in the top 50: 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 14, 24, 27, 31, 32, 33 and 46.

Let's look at the top 12 players. In 2009, they were Ker, Smith, Garbett, Steadman, Croad, Watson, Hart, McLaren, Shen, Thornton, Han and Nijman.

In 2010, Ker, Smith, Steadman, Watson, Shen, McLaren are all back. The other 6 are Dive, Wastney, Wheeler, Milligan, Barlow and A Krstev. Not bad replacements for Garbett, Croad, Hart, Thornton, Han and Nijman.

I suggest that there isn't a big difference between 2010 and 2011. Comparison with earlier years show that 2011 is weaker than 2008 but stronger than 2007.

Finally, ratings have not been inflated. Changes were made in 2009 to counteract deflation caused by the rapid increase in numbers of often underrated junior players.

CivicChessMan
29-12-2010, 09:11 PM
it would be far more exiciting if the cut off was 2200 for this one.

What you are suggesting is a return to the top 12 round-robin championship. I think that there is a lot of support for this proposal. I'd like to see a return to the format of Championship, Premier Reserve and Major Open used from 1988 to 1996 in the years when the Queenstown Classic is not being held.

My Championship field would be Dive, Ker, Wastney, Smith, Steadman, Watson, Shen, McLaren, Wheeler, Milligan, Barlow and A Krstev. Reserve would be Pinic, Gibbons, Dordevic, Stuart, Taylor, Ansell, Bennett, Goodhue, Li, Hans Gao, Gold and Yao.

Tony Dowden
30-12-2010, 08:31 AM
In the 2010 Championship, there were 20 players in the top 50 with rankings: 3, 6, 8, 9, 10, 12, 13, 14, 18, 19, 21, 27, 30, 32, 38, 45, 47, 48, 49 and 50. In the 2011 Championship, there are 13 players in the top 50: 1, 2, 5, 7, 8, 11, 14, 24, 27, 31, 32, 33 and 46.

Let's look at the top 12 players. In 2009, they were Ker, Smith, Garbett, Steadman, Croad, Watson, Hart, McLaren, Shen, Thornton, Han and Nijman.

In 2010, Ker, Smith, Steadman, Watson, Shen, McLaren are all back. The other 6 are Dive, Wastney, Wheeler, Milligan, Barlow and A Krstev. Not bad replacements for Garbett, Croad, Hart, Thornton, Han and Nijman.

I suggest that there isn't a big difference between 2010 and 2011. Comparison with earlier years show that 2011 is weaker than 2008 but stronger than 2007.

Finally, ratings have not been inflated. Changes were made in 2009 to counteract deflation caused by the rapid increase in numbers of often underrated junior players.

I don't think the 2010 event is as strong. If I was playing I would slot in after Wheeler (on FIDE rating) whereas I'd be last on the 2009 list above. Having said this I suspect Helen Milligan, who has shown sharp improvement over the past year, will do well and many other of the 'weaker' Auckland-based players are no strangers to playing 2200+ opponents.

I think Gino (in inimitable fashion) is implying the 2010 edition has a longer tail than usual - and it's very hard to disagree with this.

ChrisBurns
31-12-2010, 12:26 PM
I think Tony is talking about the 2011 event having long tail, I suppose it really makes no difference in the end, the best player will win and the worst player will come last.I suppose if someone was after an I.M norm and ended up playing one of the 1600 rated players then that might dash their chances.

Tony Dowden
31-12-2010, 02:53 PM
I think Tony is talking about the 2011 event having long tail, I suppose it really makes no difference in the end, the best player will win and the worst player will come last.I suppose if someone was after an I.M norm and ended up playing one of the 1600 rated players then that might dash their chances.
Yes, you are right Chris. I meant 2011.

CivicChessMan
02-01-2011, 10:33 AM
The number of players in the Championship has been reduced to 26 so it looks like Scott Wastney and Bruce Wheeler have withdrawn.

Qbert
02-01-2011, 12:03 PM
Then first-time Otago qualifier Hamish Gold will be playing the experienced Bob Gibbons in the first round

Go Hamish!!:)

GinoTHEstud
02-01-2011, 12:15 PM
Then first-time Otago qualifier Hamish Gold will be playing the experienced Bob Gibbons in the first round

Go Hamish!!:)

My picks, Steadman,dive 8.5/11
ker and watsney 8/11.

I'd think hamish getting more than 2.5 would be quite an acheievement. With . Yao i think just gains from playing 11 decent games. I played a few practise games against him last week, lost both actully. One game tried to be fancy and sac 2 rooks to mate instead of mating but was unsound. the 2nd game blunderd a rook but nonethe less.... Will be interresting. Shen will do well very solid but may cost a few 2 draws to lower ranked players. Same as watson and smith.

Qbert
02-01-2011, 12:26 PM
Wastney seems to be not playing - here is the current list: IM Russell Dive 2460 (2375), IM Anthony Ker 2444 (2336), FM Bob Smith 2371 (2287), FM Mike Steadman 2362 (2242), FM Bruce Watson 2321 (2282), Daniel Shen 2258 (2187), Leonard McLaren 2244 (2207), Helen Milligan 2148 (2048), Matthew Barlow 2137 (2140), Antonio Krstev 2129 (2094), Noel Pinic 2121 (2058), Bob Gibbons 2086 (2022), Ivan Dordevic 2080 (2019), Peter Stuart 2070 (2025), Richard Taylor 2065 (1929), Alan Ansell 2050 (2001), Hilton Bennett 2046 (1974), Nathan Goodhue 2030 (1996), Fuatai Fuatai 2027 (2015), Ross Jackson 2013 (1966), Luke Li 1992 (1990), Bill Forster 1990 (1908), Hans Gao 1987 (1859), Judy Gao 1964 (1914), Hamish Gold 1927 (1841), Winston Yao 1676 (-).

I wish we had a live game or two to follow...

I think Alan Ansell could potentially score well and cause some upsets.

Tony Dowden
02-01-2011, 01:48 PM
Then first-time Otago qualifier Hamish Gold will be playing the experienced Bob Gibbons in the first round

Go Hamish!!:)

Hopefully Hamish will do better gainst Bob in the first round than I did at the George Trundle Challengers last year ;)

:hmm: I predict Hamish will get either 1.0/11 or 4.0/11 - it will be good or bad but not in between.

Tony Dowden
02-01-2011, 01:52 PM
Wastney seems to be not playing - here is the current list: IM Russell Dive 2460 (2375), IM Anthony Ker 2444 (2336), FM Bob Smith 2371 (2287), FM Mike Steadman 2362 (2242), FM Bruce Watson 2321 (2282), Daniel Shen 2258 (2187), Leonard McLaren 2244 (2207), Helen Milligan 2148 (2048), Matthew Barlow 2137 (2140), Antonio Krstev 2129 (2094), Noel Pinic 2121 (2058), Bob Gibbons 2086 (2022), Ivan Dordevic 2080 (2019), Peter Stuart 2070 (2025), Richard Taylor 2065 (1929), Alan Ansell 2050 (2001), Hilton Bennett 2046 (1974), Nathan Goodhue 2030 (1996), Fuatai Fuatai 2027 (2015), Ross Jackson 2013 (1966), Luke Li 1992 (1990), Bill Forster 1990 (1908), Hans Gao 1987 (1859), Judy Gao 1964 (1914), Hamish Gold 1927 (1841), Winston Yao 1676 (-).

I wish we had a live game or two to follow...



And I think I wish I'd been able to play. I would have been the 8th seed!

Tony Dowden
02-01-2011, 01:57 PM
My picks, Steadman,dive 8.5/11
ker and watsney 8/11.

I'd think hamish getting more than 2.5 would be quite an acheievement. With . Yao i think just gains from playing 11 decent games. I played a few practise games against him last week, lost both actully. One game tried to be fancy and sac 2 rooks to mate instead of mating but was unsound. the 2nd game blunderd a rook but nonethe less.... Will be interresting. Shen will do well very solid but may cost a few 2 draws to lower ranked players. Same as watson and smith.

I think 9.0 might be needed to win outright.

I'm going for Mike Steadman (but here's hoping that he's running hot)

CivicChessMan
02-01-2011, 02:55 PM
I'll be supporting former Civic clubmates: Dive, Ker, Steadman, McLaren and Forster.

GinoTHEstud
02-01-2011, 03:22 PM
I know Winston Yao started with a draw against Ivan Dordevic

heligan
02-01-2011, 06:12 PM
Please check the Auckland Chess Centre website for live games (there's a link from www.newzealandchess.co.nz, from Results or Calendar pages). There might be live games. We were running some as a test today; of 5 boards, 2 didn't work at all and one froze up later on. So, no promises!

flukey
02-01-2011, 06:28 PM
Finally, ratings have not been inflated. Changes were made in 2009 to counteract deflation caused by the rapid increase in numbers of often underrated junior players.

This is an interesting comment in response to Gino's offhand mention of ratings inflation - EVERY player in the Championship has a higher NZCF rating than FIDE rating - the top 4 seeds alone who presumably have the most stable ratings average over 100 points higher!!

Tony Dowden
02-01-2011, 06:58 PM
EVERY player in the Championship has a higher NZCF rating than FIDE rating

What about Matthew Barlow? Still, the increasingly large difference between NZCF Elo and FIDE Elo is readily apparent - and may not be desirable.

I'll start another thread and see what the ratings experts have to say.

GinoTHEstud
03-01-2011, 04:11 AM
Please check the Auckland Chess Centre website for live games (there's a link from www.newzealandchess.co.nz, from Results or Calendar pages). There might be live games. We were running some as a test today; of 5 boards, 2 didn't work at all and one froze up later on. So, no promises!

There is nothing from auckland chess centre at all, Hopefully today

Qbert
03-01-2011, 05:53 AM
Championship Round 1

No Name Result Name

1 Russell Dive 1:0 Peter Stuart
2 Richard Taylor 0:1 Anthony Ker
3 Robert Smith 1:0 Alan Ansell
4 Hilton Bennett 0:1 Michael Steadman
5 Bruce Watson ˝:˝ Nathan Goodhue
6 Fuatai Fuatai ˝:˝ Daniel Shen
7 Leonard McLaren 1:0 Ross Jackson
8 Luke Li 1:0 Helen Milligan
9 Matthew Barlow 1:0 William Forster
10 Hans Gao 1:0 Antonio Krstev
11 Noel Pinic ˝:˝ Judy Gao
12 Hamish Gold 0:1 Robert Gibbons
13 Ivan Dordevic ˝:˝ Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao


The number of 1st round upsets/draws makes me think the claims of a long tail were slightly exaggerated :hmm:

Qbert
03-01-2011, 06:44 AM
Alan Ansell gradually let all his pieces become worse than Smith's

[Event "118th New Zealand Chess Championship"]
[Site "Auckland"]
[Date "2011.01.02"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Smith, R"]
[Black "Ansell, A"]
[Result "1-0"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5 cxd5 4. Bd3 Nc6 5. c3 g6 6. Nf3 Nh6 7. O-O Bf5 8.
Re1 Bxd3 9. Qxd3 Nf5 10. Bf4 Bg7 11. Nbd2 O-O 12. Qb5 Qd7 13. Nb3 b6 14. a4
Rfd8 15. a5 Nxa5 16. Qxd7 Rxd7 17. Nxa5 bxa5 18. Rxa5 e6 19. Rea1 f6 20. g4
Nh6 21. Ra6 g5 22. Bg3 Re7 23. h3 Nf7 24. R1a5 h6 25. Ne1 Kh7 26. Nd3 h5
27. Nc5 e5 28. dxe5 fxe5 29. gxh5 d4 30. Ne4 dxc3 31. bxc3 Kh8 32. c4 Kg8
33. Kg2 Rc7 34. c5 Nd8 35. Rg6 Nc6 36. Ra4 Nd8 37. h6 Kh7 38. Rxg7+ Rxg7
39. hxg7 Kxg7 40. Bxe5+ Kg6 41. Bd4 Ne6 42. Ra6 Kf7 43. Be3 Nf4+ 44. Bxf4
gxf4 45. Kf3
1-0

Tony Dowden
03-01-2011, 08:57 AM
The number of 1st round upsets/draws makes me think the claims of a long tail were slightly exaggerated :hmm:

Maybe, but if the long tail is seen as starting after Leonard where there is a big rating gap (and, coincidentally, below FIDE 2200 - as suggested by Gino) then the two upsets could be seen as 'tail vs tail' outcomes.

On the other hand - and getting back to the theme of encouraging promising juniors in our premioer event - its great to see that Luke Li and Hans Gao caused the two upsets :clap: :clap: And that Winston Yao drew :clap:

CivicChessMan
03-01-2011, 11:00 AM
Championship:
"Civic" started strongly with 4 wins and 1 loss. :clap: Looking forward to McLaren vs Dive in round 2.
Good start also for the 6 juniors in the tournament with 2 wins, 3 draws and 1 loss. :clap:

Major Open:
Most games went with seedings apart from a couple of draws on board 1. Roberts (1622) vs Fraemohs (1999) and board 7. Hao Jia (1459) vs Power (1875).

Tony Dowden
03-01-2011, 12:51 PM
No live games today either :(

Qbert
03-01-2011, 12:59 PM
No live games today either :(
I'm watching them now at http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/
top 5 boards:)

CivicChessMan
03-01-2011, 02:09 PM
Ker has beaten Barlow in 41 moves, Gibbons lost to Smith in 34, McLaren is an exchange up against Dive (R+B+4P vs N+B+4P) after 41, Steadman vs Li (R+2B+N+3P vs 2R+N+4P) after 44, Shen vs H Gao (Q+3P vs Q+4P) after 50.

Rybka gives McLaren +3.08, Steadman a huge advantage and Gao a slight edge over Shen.

Kevin Bonham
03-01-2011, 03:15 PM
McLaren has won against Dive (even allowing Dive to have two pawns to one at the end!)

Tony Dowden
03-01-2011, 03:33 PM
I'm watching them now at http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/
top 5 boards:)
Thanks Q. Maybe I was too early?

CivicChessMan
03-01-2011, 10:17 PM
Championship Tournament Results for Round 2:

No Name Result Name
1 Leonard McLaren 1:0 Russell Dive
2 Anthony Ker 1:0 Matthew Barlow
3 Robert Gibbons 0:1 Robert Smith
4 Michael Steadman 1:0 Luke Li
5 Daniel Shen ˝:˝ Hans Gao
6 Judy Gao 0:1 Bruce Watson
7 Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao 0:1 Noel Pinic
8 Nathan Goodhue 0:1 Ivan Dordevic
9 Helen Milligan ˝:˝ Fuatai Fuatai
10 Antonio Krstev 1:0 Hilton Bennett
11 Peter Stuart ˝:˝ Ross Jackson
12 William Forster ˝:˝ Richard Taylor
13 Alan Ansell 1:0 Hamish Gold


7th seed Leonard McLaren's win over 1st seed Russell Dive is probably the biggest surprise in round 2 even though Leonard is by no means a pushover. A good result for Hans Gao with a draw against Daniel Shen. Otherwise the results were more-or-less as expected.

Leaders after 2 rounds: Smith, Ker, McLaren, Steadman. Steadman vs Ker and Smith vs McLaren are two games to look forward to in round 3.

Capablanca-Fan
04-01-2011, 01:39 AM
McLaren has won against Dive (even allowing Dive to have two pawns to one at the end!)
Yes, he really had nothing from the opening and middlegame. But Dive grabbed a hot pawn and was hit by a neat combo that won the exchange, which McLaren converted well.

GinoTHEstud
04-01-2011, 10:33 AM
Go steadman!

You got this....Don't know why you didn't wnt take on his pirc again.

CivicChessMan
04-01-2011, 11:18 AM
Rybka did not like Steadman's move 14. dxe5 which equalises. It preferred 4 other moves: Qa4, Rc1, Qd3 or Rb1 which give Steadman a slight edge.

CivicChessMan
04-01-2011, 02:14 PM
Results of the live games

1 Michael Steadman 0 : 1 Anthony Ker
2 Robert Smith 1/2 : 1/2 Leonard McLaren
3 Bruce Watson 1 : 0 Ivan Dordevic
4 Noel Pinic 1/2 : 1/2 Hans Gao
5 Russell Dive 1 : 0 Robert Gibbons

Leaders: Ker 3; McLaren, Smith, Watson 2.5; Dive, Gao, Pinic, Steadman, ... 2

Tony Dowden
04-01-2011, 05:59 PM
Wow, Ker handled the Black pieces very nicely and doled out a real drubbing to Steadman. He must be eying the Silver Rook already!

Meanwhile Hamish's chances of making a mark are now very slim :( Hopefully he can reboot but somehow I doubt it.

CivicChessMan
04-01-2011, 09:49 PM
1 Michael Steadman 0:1 Anthony Ker
2 Robert Smith ˝:˝ Leonard McLaren
3 Bruce Watson 1:0 Ivan Dordevic
4 Noel Pinic ˝:˝ Hans Gao
5 Russell Dive 1:0 Robert Gibbons
6 Luke Li 1:0 Daniel Shen
7 Matthew Barlow 1:0 Alan Ansell
8 Fuatai Fuatai 0:1 Antonio Krstev
9 Ross Jackson ˝:˝ Helen Milligan
10 William Forster 1:0 Peter Stuart
11 Richard Taylor 0:1 Judy Gao
12 Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao 0:1 Nathan Goodhue
13 Hilton Bennett 1:0 Hamish Gold


An excellent win for Ker over Steadman and he is now the sole leader on 3. McLaren, Smith and Watson have 2.5 points. Good results for Li with a win over Shen and Hans Gao with a draw versus Pinic. So in round 4, it is Ker vs Smith and McLaren vs Watson. Dive and Steadman will need wins against Krstev and Pinic respectively to stay in touch.

CivicChessMan
04-01-2011, 09:55 PM
Four players have perfect scores after three rounds: Jim Cater, David Evans, Martin Post and William Li. Arthur Casilang and Don Eade are unbeaten on 2.5. In round 4, it's Cater vs Evans and Li vs Post.

Adamski
04-01-2011, 10:44 PM
Four players have perfect scores after three rounds: Jim Cater, David Evans, Martin Post and William Li. Arthur Casilang and Don Eade are unbeaten on 2.5. In round 4, it's Cater vs Evans and Li vs Post.
Good to see my old mate Martin Post doing well. He moved to QLD but has clearly returned to his homeland for the NZ champs at least.

Capablanca-Fan
05-01-2011, 03:15 AM
Good to see my old mate Martin Post doing well. He moved to QLD but has clearly returned to his homeland for the NZ champs at least.
Yes indeed. He joined the Logan club just a few weeks before I had to leave. But I stayed with him for a South Island champs when I was 16, and he was the first person I knew who pointed out the assumptions behind radiometric dating.

Capablanca-Fan
05-01-2011, 03:41 AM
Wow, Ker handled the Black pieces very nicely and doled out a real drubbing to Steadman.
I think the opening play was somewhat doubtful. The exchange of the light squared B should have been followed by placing centre Ps on light squares as well. Steadman could have played d5 with a better-than-usual setup against the KID. His Q-side push was also fine, but probably should have been followed up with more consistent pressure like Rb1, Qa4-a6, whereas Black's counterplay seems much slower. The game continuation won a P, but whether Black objectively had adequate compensation is moot since the game became messy, as opposed to the clear alternative, because of White's doubled Ps and Black's seizure of the open d-file. Black's later major piece play reminds me of Chigorin's exquisite maneuvres against Tarrasch in this 1893 match game (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1036373).


He must be eying the Silver Rook already!

He must be hot favorite now after beating a strong opponent with Black. He has good chances to beat Smith with White in the next game, and I think only Dive could trouble him now.

CivicChessMan
05-01-2011, 04:06 AM
Will we ever see Jono in the NZ Championship again?

CivicChessMan
05-01-2011, 04:57 AM
In last year's Championship, Anthony Ker won his first 4 games against Brian Nijman, Daniel Han, Chris Depasquale and Mike Steadman. After 7 rounds, he had dropped just a half point. But then, he ran into Bruce Watson and Daniel Shen and lost both games. Both Watson and Shen are here again. Watson has made a better start this time while Shen has started poorly, as he did last year. He then put together a run of 6 wins. Bob Smith and Leonard McLaren have also made better starts this year.

Capablanca-Fan
05-01-2011, 05:40 AM
Will we ever see Jono in the NZ Championship again?
I dunno, Rowan. It was hard enough from Australia; even harder from the USA. I don't play that much these days, just stir on this site :uhoh:

Qbert
05-01-2011, 10:23 AM
Meanwhile Hamish's chances of making a mark are now very slim :( Hopefully he can reboot but somehow I doubt it.
After looking at the somewhat passive opening repertoire Hamish seems to have adopted for this event (white English, Black Czech Benoni & Centre Counter) I have to agree and think that unless he gets lucky the lower of your range of scores is the more likely. It's hard to learn new strategic opening structures without a lot of practice and his handling of the positions makes me think he would have been better off sticking to his more accustomed aggressive lines.:hmm:

CivicChessMan
05-01-2011, 03:03 PM
Here are the results of round 4.


1 Anthony Ker 1:0 Robert Smith
2 Leonard McLaren ˝:˝ Bruce Watson
3 Antonio Krstev 1:0 Russell Dive
4 Noel Pinic ˝:˝ Michael Steadman
5 Hans Gao ˝:˝ Matthew Barlow
6 Ivan Dordevic 0:1 Luke Li
7 Nathan Goodhue 1:0 William Forster
8 Judy Gao ˝:˝ Robert Gibbons
9 Daniel Shen 1:0 Ross Jackson
10 Helen Milligan ˝:˝ Hilton Bennett
11 Alan Ansell ˝:˝ Fuatai Fuatai
12 Peter Stuart 1:0 Richard Taylor
13 Hamish Gold 0:1 Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao


Another important win for Anthony Ker and he now has a 1-point lead after just 4 rounds. McLaren and Watson drew their game to be on 3 points and are joined by Krstev and Luke Li. Krstev's win over Dive is perhaps the biggest upset of the tournament so far.

Watson plays Ker in round 5 and will be hoping to win as he did in 2010. Li vs McLaren and Steadman vs Krstev are the other leading games.

CivicChessMan
05-01-2011, 04:08 PM
David Evans beat Jim Cater and William Li beat Martin Post to lead the Major Open with 4 points. This is a point clear of a bunch of players on 3. Evans and Li meet in round 5.

Tony Dowden
05-01-2011, 05:49 PM
After looking at the somewhat passive opening repertoire Hamish seems to have adopted for this event (white English, Black Czech Benoni & Centre Counter) I have to agree and think that unless he gets lucky the lower of your range of scores is the more likely. It's hard to learn new strategic opening structures without a lot of practice and his handling of the positions makes me think he would have been better off sticking to his more accustomed aggressive lines.:hmm:

I think you are spot on Quentin. Hamish looks like he's fallen into the typical psychological trap when mixing it with the big boys (hmm, and girl). He needs to start throwing kitchenware if he hopes to get across the advantage line.

Tony Dowden
05-01-2011, 06:00 PM
Here are the results of round 4.


Another important win for Anthony Ker and he now has a 1-point lead after just 4 rounds. McLaren and Watson drew their game to be on 3 points and are joined by Krstev and Luke Li. Krstev's win over Dive is perhaps the biggest upset of the tournament so far.

Watson plays Ker in round 5 and will be hoping to win as he did in 2010. Li vs McLaren and Steadman vs Krstev are the other leading games.

A wonderful fighting win by Ker after Smith had an advantage but then played much too timidly (IMO). Dive's position went horribly wrong soon after his ...Nh5!?/?! (is it book?) and I think Krstev should have crushed him earlier rather than later when Dive possibly had (or was close to) a playable game. I'm not sure how Steadman managed to go astray in such a good looking position but he did, and he may be quite relieved he only dropped the half point.

It's looking fantastic for Anthony Ker but, as our Scandinavian-based correspondent says, he will be remembering his consecutive losses from a simlarly dominant position last year.

Go Hamish! (Let's see your red-blooded openings now)

Tony Dowden
05-01-2011, 10:06 PM
I've been asked to remind everyone that the website for live games for the top boards of Championship is hosted by the Auckland Chess Centre at http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/

Capablanca-Fan
06-01-2011, 02:06 AM
A wonderful fighting win by Ker after Smith had an advantage but then played much too timidly (IMO). Dive's position went horribly wrong soon after his ...Nh5!?/?! (is it book?) and I think Krstev should have crushed him earlier rather than later when Dive possibly had (or was close to) a playable game. I'm not sure how Steadman managed to go astray in such a good looking position but he did, and he may be quite relieved he only dropped the half point.
I concur with this assessment.

Krstev had such a big space advantage—of the type Dive loves himself, that it shouldn't have required the rampaging Q-play of the later game.

Smith should have played 18... Nxe4 then completed his development with ... Bg7 and ... 0-0, and I don't know what White has for the P and 2B. Instead of 43... e2, 43... Rxf2+ 44.Rxf2 Rxa1! has a good chance of avoiding the worst (White should respond 45.Bxe3!).

If Steadman had played 26... Bd7, White's R would have had no entry squares, and it would just be a matter of time before the 2Bs overwhelmed the R. Just as John Watson argued with B v N, time is on the bishops' side.

Tony Dowden
06-01-2011, 08:11 AM
I concur with this assessment.

Krstev had such a big space advantage—of the type Dive loves himself, that it shouldn't have required the rampaging Q-play of the later game.

Smith should have played 18... Nxe4 then completed his development with ... Bg7 and ... 0-0, and I don't know what White has for the P and 2B. Instead of 43... e2, 43... Rxf2+ 44.Rxf2 Rxa1! has a good chance of avoiding the worst (White should respond 45.Bxe3!).

If Steadman had played 26... Bd7, White's R would have had no entry squares, and it would just be a matter of time before the 2Bs overwhelmed the R. Just as John Watson argued with B v N, time is on the bishops' side.

Thanks for the detail Jono. I didn't have time to look at the games properly. Antonio's queen did do some pretty 'rampaging'!

Qbert
06-01-2011, 09:08 AM
I think you are spot on Quentin. Hamish looks like he's fallen into the typical psychological trap when mixing it with the big boys (hmm, and girl). He needs to start throwing kitchenware if he hopes to get across the advantage line.
Hamish blew his chances (twice) against bottom ranked Winston Yao - making basic tactical errors in reasonable positions ending with a final blunder. He may have lost confidence already.:(

Ker must already be wondering where he left the Silvo....:)

Desmond
06-01-2011, 09:12 AM
I've been asked to remind everyone that the website for live games for the top boards of Championship is hosted by the Auckland Chess Centre at http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/
Yes and doing a good job too. :clap:

flukey
06-01-2011, 12:30 PM
Some upsets looming ... Ker, Smith and Steadman all struggling ...

Qbert
06-01-2011, 01:47 PM
yeah, what is Ker going to do against Qd4-f6 and Nf5?

flukey
06-01-2011, 01:58 PM
Steadman looks like perpetual now

flukey
06-01-2011, 01:59 PM
Actually, I think Steadman is winning ... 49 .. re1 50 Kf3 Rf1 51 Nf2

flukey
06-01-2011, 02:01 PM
um, but then 51 ... Be2 ... maybe it is a draw

Desmond
06-01-2011, 02:03 PM
Actually, I think Steadman is winning ... 49 .. re1 50 Kf3 Rf1 51 Nf2
52...Be2+ and mating

flukey
06-01-2011, 02:16 PM
heavens .. looks like ker might have pulled off stalemate trap!

Qbert
06-01-2011, 02:17 PM
I've lost connection to the live boards - just when it was interesting. time to go home I suppose.

flukey
06-01-2011, 02:19 PM
terrrible carelessness by watson ... Qd7 then ker goes Qd1!

Tony Dowden
06-01-2011, 02:24 PM
heavens .. looks like ker might have pulled off stalemate trap!

But doesn't Ker still have a d-pawn? He looks completely dead to me (after 41...Qxg3+). White just plays Qf6 and Black resigns shortly after

Tony Dowden
06-01-2011, 02:25 PM
terrrible carelessness by watson ... Qd7 then ker goes Qd1!

Sounds like I'm missing some moves then!

Tony Dowden
06-01-2011, 02:26 PM
Hamish blew his chances (twice) against bottom ranked Winston Yao - making basic tactical errors in reasonable positions ending with a final blunder. He may have lost confidence already.:(

Yes, a diabolically wretched game :(

flukey
06-01-2011, 02:26 PM
yup, terrible tragedy ... 42 ... Qb3! 43 Qd6???? Rd7!!!!

Tony Dowden
06-01-2011, 02:37 PM
yup, terrible tragedy ... 42 ... Qb3! 43 Qd6???? Rd7!!!!

Actually I was commenting on the tragicomic Gold-Yao game.

I still don't quite understand. Did the game really go 42.Kd2 Qb3 43.Qd6??

Maybe Ker resigned and then demonstrated his evil trap? (I still only have up to 41...Qxg3+ on my DGT display)

UPDATE: OK, now I can see the DGT transmission and I believe!! What a swindle!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:

CivicChessMan
06-01-2011, 03:53 PM
Wow! Anthony Ker escapes with a draw against Bruce Watson. After 43. Qxd6? Ker played Rd7 which leads to stalemate. Also possible is Qa2+ or Qb2+. Watson is forced to capture Ker's rook and from there Ker can force stalemate. McLaren defeated Li, Smith and Pinic drew while Krstev claimed another upset win, this time against Steadman.

Ker leads with 4.5, half a point ahead of McLaren and Krstev. Watson has 3.5

Capablanca-Fan
06-01-2011, 04:05 PM
UPDATE: OK, now I can see the DGT transmission and I believe!! What a swindle!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Yes, that doesn't happen very often, really. The simplest way to win was not giving up the Pg3 but using it to hide the K from the checks: 42.Kf2! Qh2+ 43.Kf3 Qh5+ (43... Qh1+ 44. Kg4) 44. Ke3 Qe8+ 45. Kf2. Then White has time for plans like Qf6 tying the Q to the back rank then Nf5, while leaving the Pd6 on the board to prevent stalemates. If Black plays ... Qg6 to stop this, White can use the g-pawn he so cavalierly gave away to play g4 and Nf5, and even the tenacious Ker would have to surrender.

Tony Dowden
06-01-2011, 04:50 PM
Yes, that doesn't happen very often, really. The simplest way to win was not giving up the Pg3 but using it to hide the K from the checks: 42.Kf2! Qh2+ 43.Kf3 Qh5+ (43... Qh1+ 44. Kg4) 44. Ke3 Qe8+ 45. Kf2. Then White has time for plans like Qf6 tying the Q to the back rank then Nf5, while leaving the Pd6 on the board to prevent stalemates. If Black plays ... Qg6 to stop this, White can use the g-pawn he so cavalierly gave away to play g4 and Nf5, and even the tenacious Ker would have to surrender.

Jono, you meant 41.Kf2! After this the win is indeed simple - just provided one is aware of looking out for stalemate swindles. It appears that Bruce had a typical after time-control lapse which was most likely compounded by the sudden heady revelation that he had a completely won game. Meanwhile Anthony only had to look for swindles then develop a sudden belief in the power of prayer that White would snap at the d-pawn ...

Actually I saw another stalemate trap slightly earlier involving getting the rook pinned on the long diagonal and saccing the queen (so not as pretty as Anthony's version which sacced both queen and rook) but it also assumed White would irrationally grab the d-pawn, so I dismissed it as a possibility!

CivicChessMan
06-01-2011, 07:09 PM
Here are the round 5 results (colours are not indicated)


Ker 1/2 Watson
McLaren 1 - 0 Li
Krstev 1 - 0 Steadman
Smith 1/2 Pinic
H Gao 1/2 Dive
Barlow 1/2 Goodhue
Shen 1 - 0 J Gao
Fuatai 1 - 0 Jackson
Gibbons 1 - 0 Ansell
Bennett 1 - 0 Dordevic
Stuart 1 - 0 Yao
Forster 1/2 Milligan
Taylor 1 - 0 Gold

Ker 4.5 is somewhat fortunate to have a half-point lead over McLaren and Krstev but that shows his typical tenacity. Watson is a further half-point back on 3.5. In another surprise, Dive was held to a draw by Hans Gao and he is now 2 points behind Ker, as is Steadman. In round 6, it's Ker vs McLaren and Krstev vs Watson.

In the Major Open, the joint leaders David Evans and William Li drew and remain a half-point clear of the chasing bunch of Martin Post, Karl Holdo and Eric Wu, all of whom won their games. In round 6, it's Post vs Evans, Li vs Holdo and Nicole Tsoi vs Wu.

Capablanca-Fan
07-01-2011, 12:03 AM
Jono, you meant 41.Kf2! After this the win is indeed simple - just provided one is aware of looking out for stalemate swindles. It appears that Bruce had a typical after time-control lapse which was most likely compounded by the sudden heady revelation that he had a completely won game. Meanwhile Anthony only had to look for swindles then develop a sudden belief in the power of prayer that White would snap at the d-pawn ...

Actually I saw another stalemate trap slightly earlier involving getting the rook pinned on the long diagonal and saccing the queen (so not as pretty as Anthony's version which sacced both queen and rook) but it also assumed White would irrationally grab the d-pawn, so I dismissed it as a possibility!
I confess that my analysis contains a flaw: ... Qh1+, Kg4 allows ...Qxh5. Saw that the next morning. I should have been on the lookout since I almost wrote about a spectacular self-mate involving the same pin: ... Qh1+, Kg4 d5, Nf5??? h5 mate.

But there were several ways to win instead of 43.Qxd6, superficially attractive because it holds on to the Pb4, 43. Qf6 letting it go, e.g. 43... Qxb4+ 44. Ke3 Qb3+ )44... Qc5+ 45. Kf3 Qb7+ 46. Kg3 Qb3+ 47. Kh2) 45. Kf2 Qb6+ 46.Kg2 Qc6+ 47.Kh2. After checks run out, Black must retire to the back rank to stop Qf8/d8+ mating. E.g. after Kh2, Black manages ... Qe8, White first plays e4 to confine the Q that is stuck on the back, then play Nf5 forcing ... Qg8, and swapping at leisure into a won P endgame.

Or else e4 guarding f5 for the N, and in response to checks, run over to g4 as long as it doesn't drop the N to a pin!

GinoTHEstud
07-01-2011, 05:15 AM
Who is going to stop her now? Dive? he will need to dive deeper to catch him.

I hope hamish can at least draw to break his pyschological hole. He seemed good when i talked to him yesterday and just was happy to be playing.
Poor Winston yesterday just blunderd a piece against stuart yesterday.

Qbert
07-01-2011, 05:59 AM
Who is going to stop her now? Dive? he will need to dive deeper to catch him.

I hope hamish can at least draw to break his pyschological hole. He seemed good when i talked to him yesterday and just was happy to be playing.
Poor Winston yesterday just blunderd a piece against stuart yesterday.
I though Hamish's game yesterday showed more promise - an aggressive opening and he made a decent fist of the game even though he eventually lost. He just needs his opponents to give him a bit of a chance (as Winston did a couple of times) and then take it.

Maybe the giant-killing Krstev will catch Ker

LNah
07-01-2011, 06:56 AM
In case anyone is interested but not noticed, the games (pgn) file for the games in the first 4 rounds of the Major Open Tournament is available at http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/NZChamp118/MajorOpen_2011_R01-R04.pgn.

Capablanca-Fan
07-01-2011, 07:12 AM
Who is going to stop Ker now? Dive? he will need to dive deeper to catch him.
If he has White, he has some chances; I bet he will have noticed Ker's uncertain handling of Q-side directed White openings, as against Steadman and Watson. But it's one thing to gain an advantage, and another thing to overcome Ker's tenacity, as they found; Dive is one with the skills to do it if he gains the advantage.

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 08:00 AM
I confess that my analysis contains a flaw: ... Qh1+, Kg4 allows ...Qxh5. Saw that the next morning.

I saw that late last night too! So maybe Bruce saw it and that's why he played 41.Ke1

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 08:02 AM
In case anyone is interested but not noticed, the games (pgn) file for the games in the first 4 rounds of the Major Open Tournament is available at http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/NZChamp118/MajorOpen_2011_R01-R04.pgn.

Thanks Lin :D

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 08:10 AM
I though Hamish's game yesterday showed more promise - an aggressive opening and he made a decent fist of the game even though he eventually lost. He just needs his opponents to give him a bit of a chance (as Winston did a couple of times) and then take it.

Maybe the giant-killing Krstev will catch Ker

I reckon Hamish should have a quiet draw with Ross the-gentle-dental-doctor Jackson. Then after that he should start going for the jugular ...

I doubt Krstev will manage three in a row as I don't envisage Ker giving him the same level of generous encouragement Dive and Steadman offered him. But who knows?!

It will be interesting to see if Bruce and/or Leonard can step up and bag a hitherto ever-elusive national title. (Shared with Ker of course!)

Craig_Hall
07-01-2011, 08:40 AM
Quiet draw? Ross and Hamish don't have quiet draws, one of them blunders an exchange and then fights on tenaciously until it becomes a draw 70 or 80 moves later...

Qbert
07-01-2011, 09:30 AM
Quiet draw? Ross and Hamish don't have quiet draws, one of them blunders an exchange and then fights on tenaciously until it becomes a draw 70 or 80 moves later...
No, Ross blunders and then brilliantly sacs an exchange in Petrosian style to hang on like grim death to the draw.:)

Adamski
07-01-2011, 10:45 AM
GM level coaching from Gawain should be reducing my friend Ross's number of blunders! Ross and I go back almost as long as Tony Dowden and i go back - to our Otago University Chess Club days. We co-ran it in the 1970s.

I like the "gentle dental" bit for everyone's favourite dentist! Good luck to Ross for the rest of the event.

GinoTHEstud
07-01-2011, 11:40 AM
looks like leonard is about to get killed. Fritz giving +2... Krstev seems to be doing well against bruce.

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 11:57 AM
looks like leonard is about to get killed. Fritz giving +2... Krstev seems to be doing well against bruce.

:hmm: Yes, Ker, Krstev and Hans Gao all appear to be better against McLaren, Watson and Smith respectively.

Up-date But now it looks like Gao doesn't know how to play IQP positions and Smith looks fine. McLaren may have found a useful defensive resource with ...Nf8 but Ker still looks better after swapping bishops.

And now Krstev looks like he's handed the initiative to Watson.

Qbert
07-01-2011, 12:30 PM
And now Krstev looks like he's handed the initiative to Watson.
yea, 24 f3 was a strange move - guaranteeing the exchange bishop for knight. I definitely like Watson's position now e.g. 27,... Bxe4 making way for the Q on the 6th rank.

Update: Ker's kingside pawns are looking vulnerable - I bet Fritz doesn't say +2 now
Watson played 27...gxh3 which I think was a mistake.

Qbert
07-01-2011, 02:08 PM
Hans Gao played well to beat Smith.:clap:
I can't believe that Luke Li has never heard of putting his rook behind his passed pawn :wall: 56 ... Rb7 would have given no chance whatsoever, but he seems to be winning after 63... Ra7 64... Ka2 etc

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 02:57 PM
Hans Gao played well to beat Smith.:clap:
I can't believe that Luke Li has never heard of putting his rook behind his passed pawn :wall: 56 ... Rb7 would have given no chance whatsoever, but he seems to be winning after 63... Ra7 64... Ka2 etc
Yes, Hans timed things perfectly to conjure up pressure from a lost(?) position and Smith wilted during the run in to move 40.

Luke is still very green ... Besides, I don't remember studying anything as 'boring' as rook endings until I was about 35 :lol:

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 03:05 PM
Presumably Ker-McLaren is drawn? I thought White was a tad better before the time control but now Black just plays ...g5 at a suitable moment.

(Oh, I see there still playing moves but the relay isn't updating to the board)

ChrisBurns
07-01-2011, 03:53 PM
Yes, Hans timed things perfectly to conjure up pressure from a lost(?) position and Smith wilted during the run in to move 40.

Luke is still very green ... Besides, I don't remember studying anything as 'boring' as rook endings until I was about 35 :lol:
Hans was forced to sac the bishop on e6 earlier, since it was lost anyway.The 2 pawns for the piece should not have been enough.Smith blundered on 35.Qc6? which allowed Hans to get the edge.35.Rf5 or 35.Nf6 would have kept nice advantage.

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 04:40 PM
Hans was forced to sac the bishop on e6 earlier, since it was lost anyway.The 2 pawns for the piece should not have been enough.Smith blundered on 35.Qc6? which allowed Hans to get the edge.35.Rf5 or 35.Nf6 would have kept nice advantage.

Thanks for the explanation Chris. I'm looking forward to having a better look at it later.

LNah
07-01-2011, 05:08 PM
Both tournaments finished relatively late today.
Board "1 Anthony Ker : Leonard McLaren" was the penultimate board to finish in the championship tournament. After that it was Major Open tournament's last board to finish: "3 Nicole Tsoi : Eric Wu". The last board to finish today was Championship board "6 Peter Stuart : Noel Pinic".

I've put up the results for this round and draws for tomorrow. This can be found at the Auckland Chess Centre website. Specifically http://j.mp/fM0hwy has links to all the files you need (draws, results, crosstables, & games files). Helligan will be putting up the info on her site later. Currently she's probably at Alexandra Park attending the NZCF AGM.

The pgn for the games in round 6 of the championship tournament is being created as I am typing this.

Please note:
There were errors in the results of 2 games in round 5 of the Major Open tournament. I've corrected it. However no crosstables were generated nor was a new draw done for the major open before round 6 started today. Instead of wins by white for boards 19 and 20, both boards results were a draw.

The following was put online yesterday. :
19 Hao Jia 1:0 Johnson Chen
20 Izzah Halim 1:0 Hristo Kolev

It has now been changed to:
19 Hao Jia ˝:˝ Johnson Chen
20 Izzah Halim ˝:˝ Hristo Kolev

That's it for now.

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 05:22 PM
I've put up the results for this round and draws for tomorrow. This can be found at the Auckland Chess Centre website. Specifically http://j.mp/fM0hwy has links to all the files you need (draws, results, crosstables, & games files). Heligan will be putting up the info on her site later. Currently she's probably at Alexandra Park attending the NZCF AGM.


You are a gem Lin but, sorry your link didn't work for me. This one does though: http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/news/2011/01/118-nz-chess-congress-news It's excellent - the mother of all Congress links :D

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 05:28 PM
Gold - Jackson 1-0 Well done Hamish! :clap: :clap: :clap:

LNah
07-01-2011, 05:31 PM
Thanks for letting me know. have corrected the link.

Interference
07-01-2011, 06:46 PM
http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps2011.htm

Tony Dowden
07-01-2011, 08:10 PM
Thanks, this is even better! :D

CivicChessMan
07-01-2011, 10:21 PM
Here are the round 6 results


1 Anthony Ker ˝:˝ Leonard McLaren
2 Antonio Krstev ˝:˝ Bruce Watson
3 Hans Gao 1:0 Robert Smith
4 Daniel Shen ˝:˝ Matthew Barlow
5 Nathan Goodhue 0:1 Luke Li
6 Peter Stuart ˝:˝ Noel Pinic
7 Fuatai Fuatai ˝:˝ Russell Dive
8 Robert Gibbons 0:1 Michael Steadman
9 Hilton Bennett 1:0 William Forster
10 Helen Milligan 1:0 Judy Gao
11 Ivan Dordevic 1:0 Richard Taylor
12 Alan Ansell 1:0 Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao
13 Hamish Gold 1:0 Ross Jackson


With the top two boards drawing, the status quo is maintained. Ker (5) leads by a half-point from Krstev and McLaren with another half-point back to Watson. He is joined by the two leader juniors Hans Gao and Li. Gao had a surprise win over Smith. I was sceptical to Gao and Li being allowed to play in the Championship. I wasn't convinced they had show enough to merit a place. So I'm pleased to see that they have proven me wrong.

Looking ahead to round 7, the top 3 boards are Krstev vs Ker, McLaren vs Gao and Watson vs Li. On board 4, Steadman meets Shen with both players trying to get back into the leading bunch.

CivicChessMan
07-01-2011, 10:37 PM
And then there were two. Martin Post beat David Evans and Karl Holdo beat William Li to lead the Major Open with 5 points. Still anyone's tournament with 5 players on 4.5 and a further 7 players on 4.

GinoTHEstud
08-01-2011, 03:53 AM
http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps2011.htm


Who's site it that?
It's awsome

Qbert
08-01-2011, 05:48 AM
Gold - Jackson 1-0 Well done Hamish! :clap: :clap: :clap:
Go Hamish!!!!:clap: :clap: :clap: :clap: - He gets back off bottom board and there's still time to reach 4 points ;)

Qbert
08-01-2011, 05:51 AM
Who's site it that?
It's awsome
Looks like Chris Smith's (Hastings) site. It is awesome

Desmond
08-01-2011, 07:46 AM
Who's site it that?
It's awsome
agreed

LNah
08-01-2011, 09:05 AM
Interference: Would you mind if I publicised the link you posted? is http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps2011.htm

To Chess Chat regulars:
Also is it ok to publicise this forum? At the very least I'd like to put up a link to this thread in the congress new page.

Thanks in advance.

Adamski
08-01-2011, 09:10 AM
I think it is always ok to publicise this forum. I agree with the others who have praised Chris Smith's site. It is very good.

LNah
08-01-2011, 09:10 AM
Note to those following the live games:
I am currently the person who is running the system that puts the live games online.

Unfortunately due to commitments, I am unable to keep as close an eye on the system as I've been since the start. The other person who knows the system is playing the tournament and so are a couple of others who vaguely know the system.

So if something breaks with the live games, unless the other person happens to notice it while he's taking a break from his game, there's a chance it may not come back. Things should be going as usual tomorrow (baring usual problems).

Anyway just thought I'd warn you as I know it is a bit frustrating not knowing if things will come back or not.

My apologies.

Interference
08-01-2011, 09:13 AM
Interference: Would you mind if I publicised the link you posted? is http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps2011.htm

To Chess Chat regulars:
Also is it ok to publicise this forum? At the very least I'd like to put up a link to this thread in the congress new page.

Thanks in advance.

Yes it ok to let others know the link http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps2011.htm

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 09:26 AM
Interference: Would you mind if I publicised the link you posted? is http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps2011.htm

To Chess Chat regulars:
Also is it ok to publicise this forum? At the very least I'd like to put up a link to this thread in the congress new page.

Thanks in advance.

Definitely Lin! It's a wonderful site :D

Qbert
08-01-2011, 11:44 AM
Ker already has a fantastic position against Krtsev, with 2 Bs and pressure against the white e-pawn. The q-swap in this opening doesn't give black any problems.

Also Gao's gifting the e4 square to McLaren can't be right

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 12:08 PM
Note to those following the live games:
I am currently the person who is running the system that puts the live games online.

Unfortunately due to commitments, I am unable to keep as close an eye on the system as I've been since the start. The other person who knows the system is playing the tournament and so are a couple of others who vaguely know the system.

So if something breaks with the live games, unless the other person happens to notice it while he's taking a break from his game, there's a chance it may not come back. Things should be going as usual tomorrow (barring usual problems).

Anyway just thought I'd warn you as I know it is a bit frustrating not knowing if things will come back or not.

My apologies.

Thanks Lin. The DGT system doesn't seem to especially robust but personally I'm grateful for whatever we get :)

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 12:14 PM
Ker already has a fantastic position against Krtsev, with 2 Bs and pressure against the white e-pawn. The q-swap in this opening doesn't give black any problems.


Agreed. Ker's play is as incisive as it is instructive. (Pity I've just lost contact with the live relay for this game though :()

Not sure if Gao's gifting of e4 will hurt him or not - but so far he doesn't seem to have any compensation for it (apart from the odd tactical threat)

Hilton has tossed away a reasonable position. He's going to lose most of his pawns very shortly. [Except that Pinic didn't play exf6 after ...f5, so maybe Hilton can hold! Hmm, not if Pinic plays b4(!), Nc5+ bxc5]

[Ah I have Krstev-Ker back again. Anthony has cashed in some of his positional edge for a pawn and it looks like he's cruising to a straight-forward win].

Actually, I don't see how Krstev can defend his q-side, so Ker must be romping in. [He still is after the time control but at least Antonio has made him work for it]

Qbert
08-01-2011, 12:35 PM
Actually, I don't see how Krstev can defend his q-side, so Ker must be romping in
swapping the minor pieces has given white more defensive chances if you ask me - 30.... Bc5 instead of Bxf2 would have pocketed a 2nd pawn and kept the better minor piece.

CivicChessMan
08-01-2011, 01:22 PM
Gao exchanged Rooks then moved his Queen to a3. McLaren pounced, 2 checks with his Queen and checkmate with the Knight. Game over.

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 01:32 PM
Ha, all this talking to myself!

Hans Gao missed getting mated in three moves after 29...Qa3?? which seems poor if he did actually still have half an hour on the clock. [Sorry, CCM missed your post!]

Not sure what is going on in Steadman-Shen. Shen's 35...d4(!) might be brilliant

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 01:39 PM
swapping the minor pieces has given white more defensive chances if you ask me - 30.... Bc5 instead of Bxf2 would have pocketed a 2nd pawn and kept the better minor piece.

Yes, I was wondering about that. I'm not sure Black even needs to hunt down the 2nd pawn. Just infiltrating with everything looks the strongest. Still, the game has been a technical win for ages. [Now after 49...Rf6 I see Ker has managed to have everything - including his rook behind a pawn on the seventh and the h-pawn dropping shortly. Krstev can resign now].

Um, but why not 50...b6? [OK, now I see 53..Kxb7 c5! So Ker has a sense of humour too!]

Actually anything half sensible wins ...

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 01:49 PM
Wow, I though Shen was winning easily a few moves ago but Steadman seems to half found a way to wriggle ... or even win

CivicChessMan
08-01-2011, 01:50 PM
According to Rybka, after 41 Bd5 Rcf8 Steadman is +1.92 which should be decisive. Assuming Steadman finds the right move in what looks like a tricky position.

Ker wins :clap:

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 01:52 PM
Surely Hilton hasn't sacced his bishop on c5? In any case it looks like Pinic hasn't spotted the winning continuation I mentioned earlier

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 01:58 PM
According to Rybka, after 41 Bd5 Rcf8 Steadman is +1.92 which should be decisive. Assuming Steadman finds the right move in what looks like a tricky position.

Ker wins :clap:

41.Bd5 (as played) and followed up by the logical 42.Qe3. Maybe Black's creative ...d4 idea wasn't so hot after all? [Now the board isn't refreshing so maybe Shen has given up???]

CivicChessMan
08-01-2011, 02:01 PM
Hopefully, thats a digital board glip because Bc5 makes absolutely no sense whatever.

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 02:34 PM
Here are the round 6 results


1 Anthony Ker ˝:˝ Leonard McLaren
2 Antonio Krstev ˝:˝ Bruce Watson
3 Hans Gao 1:0 Robert Smith
4 Daniel Shen ˝:˝ Matthew Barlow
5 Nathan Goodhue 0:1 Luke Li
6 Peter Stuart ˝:˝ Noel Pinic
7 Fuatai Fuatai ˝:˝ Russell Dive
8 Robert Gibbons 0:1 Michael Steadman
9 Hilton Bennett 1:0 William Forster
10 Helen Milligan 1:0 Judy Gao
11 Ivan Dordevic 1:0 Richard Taylor
12 Alan Ansell 1:0 Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao
13 Hamish Gold 1:0 Ross Jackson


With the top two boards drawing, the status quo is maintained. Ker (5) leads by a half-point from Krstev and McLaren with another half-point back to Watson. He is joined by the two leader juniors Hans Gao and Li. Gao had a surprise win over Smith. I was sceptical to Gao and Li being allowed to play in the Championship. I wasn't convinced they had show enough to merit a place. So I'm pleased to see that they have proven me wrong.

Looking ahead to round 7, the top 3 boards are Krstev vs Ker, McLaren vs Gao and Watson vs Li. On board 4, Steadman meets Shen with both players trying to get back into the leading bunch.

I'm pretty sure (as sure as one can be without an engine) Fuatai could have won against Dive with 25.f4! (That and not offering a draw after 25.Qd2). The idea is that f4 supports a mating attack with Ng5, Rh7 and it also threatens fxe5. Note that both captures of the f4 pawn lose quickly.

Russell has been well below par so maybe he turned up to the event without being sufficiently rested or has been unwell or something. At his age (let alone mine!) this can make a massive difference to one's level of performance.

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 02:39 PM
Hopefully, thats a digital board glip because Bc5 makes absolutely no sense whatever.

The whole thing is 'glipping' as I haven't been able to see any boards for about an hour.

CivicChessMan
08-01-2011, 02:58 PM
Boards are back. Watson and Li drew while Bennett has beaten Pinic! Waiting for Steadman and Shen.

Qbert
08-01-2011, 03:15 PM
Hopefully, thats a digital board glip because Bc5 makes absolutely no sense whatever.
Maybe Pinic ran his time right down trying to find b4! (other moves also win) and then played Nb4? - and Hilton went for the swindle Bc5?? and won on time while Pinic was calculating whether to take it. (his time is showing zero). Instead Bxb4 is also good for Black.

Capablanca-Fan
08-01-2011, 03:24 PM
swapping the minor pieces has given white more defensive chances if you ask me - 30.... Bc5 instead of Bxf2 would have pocketed a 2nd pawn and kept the better minor piece.
I agree, although the game move was fairly straightforward too.

Krstev's Q-swap went against his normal style and was nothing to write home about anyway. It also signals to Black that White is playing for a draw, I think, so just encourages him to keep playing without risk, especially a fighter like Ker.

I wouldn't want to say that it gives Black the advantage, but I think he has nothing to fear. It's rather similar to the White opening I played against Castor (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=257034#post257034)and Love (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1450807), and the extra tempo over this game gave White a nagging edge, although Black should be able to equalize.

Krstev's 6. e4 compounded the error by weakening the d4 square. But 6... Bb4 misplaced the B. White's only strategical chance is to play c5 safely and gain a compensating square on d6. So the move played just enables White to play a3 with tempo, making b4 and c5 easier. 9.f4 was just crass. It's good when White can safely recapture with his B and deny Black's K his safe spot on c7. But here, White has to contort himself to win it back, and in the process must exchange off a key guardian to the dark squares, the B.

CivicChessMan
08-01-2011, 03:29 PM
Maybe Pinic ran his time right down trying to find b4! (other moves also win) and then played Nb4? - and Hilton went for the swindle Bc5?? and won on time while Pinic was calculating whether to take it. (his time is showing zero). Instead Bxb4 is also good for Black.

If this is the final position then a loss on time seems the only logical explanation. 30 seconds should be enough time to just rip the bishop off followed by the d5 pawn and Black is history.

Capablanca-Fan
08-01-2011, 03:36 PM
I thought Steadman played the QGD masterfully, but then why not 17.e4, for which his play seemed to be aiming, instead of the over-elaborate game moves?

ChrisBurns
08-01-2011, 06:37 PM
If this is the final position then a loss on time seems the only logical explanation. 30 seconds should be enough time to just rip the bishop off followed by the d5 pawn and Black is history.
I imagine that perhaps that White played Nc5 and instead of Nb4 and Hilton took knight and somehow won the endgame? Just another possibility.

CivicChessMan
08-01-2011, 07:13 PM
In the end, Steadman used 50+ moves to snatch a draw from the jaws of victory.

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 07:30 PM
I imagine that perhaps that White played Nc5 and instead of Nb4 and Hilton took knight and somehow won the endgame? Just another possibility.

Yes, that was what I was thinking earlier too. White gets more action than he bargained for after 38.Nc5? Bxc5 2.Kxc5 g5! but I'm not sure it's actually lost

CivicChessMan
08-01-2011, 07:36 PM
The dust has settled after round 7 so without further ado, here are the results:


1 Antonio Krstev 0:1 Anthony Ker
2 Leonard McLaren 1:0 Hans Gao
3 Bruce Watson ˝:˝ Luke Li
4 Michael Steadman ˝:˝ Daniel Shen
5 Noel Pinic 0:1 Hilton Bennett
6 Matthew Barlow 0:1 Helen Milligan
7 Russell Dive 1:0 Nathan Goodhue
8 Robert Smith 1:0 Fuatai Fuatai
9 Peter Stuart ˝:˝ Robert Gibbons
10 Ivan Dordevic 0:1 Alan Ansell
11 William Forster ˝:˝ Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao
12 Judy Gao 0:1 Hamish Gold
13 Ross Jackson 1:0 Richard Taylor

Ker (6) brushes aside the challenge of Krstev and keeps his half-point lead over McLaren (5.5). It would seem that the championship is now a 2 horse race as there is a further point back to Krstev, Li, Watson and Bennett (4.5). The latter has surged up the table with 3 back-to-back wins. Only Ker and Krstev have managed more with 4 wins. Smith (4) and Dive (4) both won after struggling in the previous 3 rounds. And near the bottom, Gold (2) won his 2nd game in a row.

In round 8, it's the turn of the leading junior Li to take on Ker. He'll need to be at his absolute best to have any chance against Ker. Ker is the odds-on favourite. Meanwhile, the pressure will be on McLaren to beat Krstev.

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 07:37 PM
Two wins on the trot for Hamish Gold! :clap: :clap: Gotago!!

(Hamish is from Otago for the uninitiated)

CivicChessMan
08-01-2011, 07:46 PM
It's a bit of a traffic jam at the top of the Malor Open. There are 16 players within a point of each other. Both the previous round leaders Holdo and Post lost and so with wins, Eade, Huang and Evans are now on top with 5.5. Five players have 5 points and and another 8 players have 4.5.

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 07:47 PM
The dust has settled after round 7 so without further ado, here are the results:


1 Antonio Krstev 0:1 Anthony Ker
2 Leonard McLaren 1:0 Hans Gao
3 Bruce Watson ˝:˝ Luke Li
4 Michael Steadman ˝:˝ Daniel Shen
5 Noel Pinic 0:1 Hilton Bennett
6 Matthew Barlow 0:1 Helen Milligan
7 Russell Dive 1:0 Nathan Goodhue
8 Robert Smith 1:0 Fuatai Fuatai
9 Peter Stuart ˝:˝ Robert Gibbons
10 Ivan Dordevic 0:1 Alan Ansell
11 William Forster ˝:˝ Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao
12 Judy Gao 0:1 Hamish Gold
13 Ross Jackson 1:0 Richard Taylor

Ker (6) brushes aside the challenge of Krstev and keeps his half-point lead over McLaren (5.5). It would seem that the championship is now a 2 horse race as there is a further point back to Krstev, Li, Watson and Bennett (4.5). The latter has surged up the table with 3 back-to-back wins. Only Ker and Krstev have managed more with 4 wins. Smith (4) and Dive (4) both won after struggling in the previous 3 rounds. And near the bottom, Gold (2) won his 2nd game in a row.

In round 8, it's the turn of the leading junior Li to take on Ker. He'll need to be at his absolute best to have any chance against Ker. Ker is the odds-on favourite. Meanwhile, the pressure will be on McLaren to beat Krstev.

Agreed that Ker is looking very good (after a very one-sided game vs Krstev) and, most likely, the Championship will be decided if he can beat Li. Still, McLaren has his best ever chance to get his name engraved on the Silver Rook.

Round 8 will be very interesting as the top five boards feature 'proven' Championship players (as defined by being 2200+ and playing in several Congresses) vs less experienced players. Can Smith, Steadman or Dive still manage to mount a serious challenge for a top placing?

LNah
08-01-2011, 08:21 PM
Interference: Thanks. Are the reviews of each round in the championship by Christ Smith? If not, could you pl tell us who wrote the reviews?

I noticed that all pages that have http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/ at the start of the URL are part of the Hastings & Havelock North Chess Club's website.
Also apologies for the public query. am not able to message you privately.

Thanks in advance.

Tony Dowden
08-01-2011, 08:31 PM
I agree, although the game move was fairly straightforward too.

Krstev's Q-swap went against his normal style and was nothing to write home about anyway. It also signals to Black that White is playing for a draw, I think, so just encourages him to keep playing without risk, especially a fighter like Ker.

I wouldn't want to say that it gives Black the advantage, but I think he has nothing to fear. It's rather similar to the White opening I played against Castor (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=257034#post257034)and Love (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1450807), and the extra tempo over this game gave White a nagging edge, although Black should be able to equalize.

Krstev's 6. e4 compounded the error by weakening the d4 square. But 6... Bb4 misplaced the B. White's only strategical chance is to play c5 safely and gain a compensating square on d6. So the move played just enables White to play a3 with tempo, making b4 and c5 easier. 9.f4 was just crass. It's good when White can safely recapture with his B and deny Black's K his safe spot on c7. But here, White has to contort himself to win it back, and in the process must exchange off a key guardian to the dark squares, the B.

Agreed. White was just lost after the ugly 9.f4?

In my view White fell into a psychological and postional trap. Black has the easier game after the queen swap with very good chances of gaining an edge against all but the most accurate play by White. UP-DATE And apparently Black has very good stats after the swap ('Championship reviewer'). In addition the ensuing position didn't suit Antonio at all (hence his frustrated 9.f4)

I'm not convinced Anthony played it accurately either as I think the bishop could be preserved to cover the dark squares complex on the q-side (namely b6,b4,c5,d6). Maybe a very early ...a5 is in order.

A few years ago IM Guy West gave me a very hard time as Black with the same sort of position (with an early Q swap on the d-file and the Black K sitting on c7). He played Nf6-d7-c5 and a5, Na6, Nb4 and soon owned the q-side darkies. I avoided static weaknesses by putting my pawns on a2, b3 and c4 and managed to get minor piece activity but it was hardly what you hope for with the white pieces!

Interference
08-01-2011, 08:56 PM
Interference: Thanks. Are the reviews of each round in the championship by Christ Smith? If not, could you pl tell us who wrote the reviews?

I noticed that all pages that have http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/ at the start of the URL are part of the Hastings & Havelock North Chess Club's website.
Also apologies for the public query. am not able to message you privately.

Thanks in advance.

This years championship reviews are not by Chris Smith. I cannot tell you who wrote the reviews until I ask him or her.

I am not sure if I would call this part of the Hastings & Havelock North Chess Club website or not, because I am thinking of it as a site with info on the New Zealand Chess Congress by Chris Smith.

http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps.htm

Chris Smith does run the official Hastings & Havelock North Chess Club website

http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/Home.html

Round seven reviews will be up soon, they have started to come through to me now.
I will check them and reformat them for the web.

Tony Dowden
09-01-2011, 09:11 AM
This years championship reviews are not by Chris Smith. I cannot tell you who wrote the reviews until I ask him or her.

I am not sure if I would call this part of the Hastings & Havelock North Chess Club website or not, because I am thinking of it as a site with info on the New Zealand Chess Congress by Chris Smith.

http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps.htm

Chris Smith does run the official Hastings & Havelock North Chess Club website

http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/Home.html

Round seven reviews will be up soon, they have started to come through to me now.
I will check them and reformat them for the web.

The author is reasonably strong and appears to be fairly savvy. I think it might be Justin Davis (FIDE 2023, lives in lower NI, a good keen man)

GinoTHEstud
09-01-2011, 09:13 AM
Tony i was thinking the same thing. He was my first pick. Then Michael King

Tony Dowden
09-01-2011, 12:17 PM
As I wrote last night, today's match up on the DGT boards is interesting. We have an 'Experience' team (Ker, Smith, Dive, Watson, McLaren) versus a 'Pretenders' team (Li, Milligan, Shen, Bennett, Krstev)

Based on the current positions I'm predicting a win to 'Experience' with Li-Ker draw, Milligan-Smith draw, Shen-Dive ???, Bennett-Watson 0-1, McLaren-Krstev 1-0.

To be honest I don't understand Shen-Dive but White looks to have some interesting potential. I think Shirov would win but maybe Black can defend without much trouble and can then exploit White's weaknesses?

As for the other 'Pretenders': Milligan is playing soundly if a little passively but should draw, Li could easily go wrong, Bennett is being too provocative and Black has huge compensation for the exchange, and Krstev was doing fine but McLaren has just tricked him into parting with his a-pawn which should prove to be fatal.

Up-date: Milligan is faltering but might still hold as Black has to create some entry points for his rooks, Li looks solid and is probably better, I think Shen might be struggling against Dive, Watson is still in the tank (no moves since last time), Krstev has lost his pawn but might hold after all

CivicChessMan
09-01-2011, 12:26 PM
I can see all five. Following McLaren vs Krstev. After 30 moves, McLaren has a slight edge and a rather active King which has wandered up to c5.

Tony Dowden
09-01-2011, 01:26 PM
I'm only getting one or two boards to load at present but I see Bennett-Watson is 0-1. Shen-Dive is still unclear (it looks like Dive has to give up the exchange but I don't know if this hurts or not).

Kevin Bonham
09-01-2011, 01:31 PM
I'm having lots of trouble loading boards and was foolish enough to sac the one I had loaded successfully by refreshing to see if I could get more.

Kevin Bonham
09-01-2011, 01:39 PM
I have all boards up now! Sometimes helps if you leave it a while for them to load.

Qbert
09-01-2011, 01:57 PM
Two wins on the trot for Hamish Gold! :clap: :clap: Gotago!!

(Hamish is from Otago for the uninitiated)
Go Hamish!!! :clap: :clap:
Now climbing up to bd 11!!

Qbert
09-01-2011, 02:08 PM
Maybe Pinic ran his time right down trying to find b4! (other moves also win) and then played Nb4? - and Hilton went for the swindle Bc5?? and won on time while Pinic was calculating whether to take it. (his time is showing zero). Instead Bxb4 is also good for Black.
Resolved by the pgn - Nb4?? Bxb4! (not Bc5??) and black duly won the p ending.

Qbert
09-01-2011, 02:18 PM
tremendous blunder by Dive to lose his rook - but Shen looked on top by then anyway.

Krstev seems to have held the draw with 51.. Be4 52 Kd1 Bf3+ 53 Ke1 Be4 etc

Milligan will run out of tricks soon and Bob will prevail

Update Krstev wins!!! - unbelievable!!!

LNah
09-01-2011, 02:43 PM
Quick Update: All games for Round 8 have ended in the Major open. Currently still going in the championship are 5. Board 2 & 6 just finished (as I am typing this). There were lots of people spectating around board 6. A few could have kept an eye on board 5 too.

Capablanca-Fan
09-01-2011, 03:11 PM
tremendous blunder by Dive to lose his rook - but Shen looked on top by then anyway.

Krstev seems to have held the draw with 51.. Be4 52 Kd1 Bf3+ 53 Ke1 Be4 etc

Milligan will run out of tricks soon and Bob will prevail

Update Krstev wins!!! - unbelievable!!!
Yes, Krstev and Smith started off with inferior endgames. What happened to Ker's game?

Tony Dowden
09-01-2011, 05:58 PM
I'm having lots of trouble loading boards and was foolish enough to sac the one I had loaded successfully by refreshing to see if I could get more.

(Back from the beach) Yes, I've learned not sac! :lol:

LNah
09-01-2011, 06:05 PM
FYI Round 8 results as well as Round 9 draws are available from either New Zealand Chess site (http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/NZChamp118/NZChamp118.html) or the 118th Congress News page (http://j.mp/118nzcn) at the Auckland Chess Centre site (http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/).

Games (pgn) file for Round 8 of The NZ Championship Tournament. (http://www.newzealandchess.co.nz/NZChamp118/NZ_Ch_2011_Rnd_08.pgn)

Tony Dowden
09-01-2011, 06:17 PM
tremendous blunder by Dive to lose his rook - but Shen looked on top by then anyway.

Krstev seems to have held the draw with 51.. Be4 52 Kd1 Bf3+ 53 Ke1 Be4 etc

Milligan will run out of tricks soon and Bob will prevail

Update Krstev wins!!! - unbelievable!!!


It looks like Round 8 was critical!

Ker drew with Li and if he can avoid losing to Shen next round (like last year!) this will be enough to secure the title with only three rounds to go.

McLaren should have started pushing his b-pawn around move 40. But Krstev certainly took his chances well to hand Leonard a devastating loss.

Unfortunately Dive just isn't in any sort of form (he's back to 50% in a field with a long tail) and seemed short of ideas against Shen. (Daniel could have won the exchange for a pawn with Qe1 but his R3g2 was simpler)

Watson and Smith did as much as he needed to against Bennett and Milligan.

FMs Smith and Steadman have a last chance to challenge the leading group of Ker, McLaren, Krstev and Watson.

ChrisBurns
09-01-2011, 06:22 PM
Tony i was thinking the same thing. He was my first pick. Then Michael King
I think there have been some Horror games with Horrible moves made, but it does not need a Horror author to write these.
Matthew King from Palmerston North might be the person you mean.I will be playing in the Rapid and Blitz so I might see you up there.

Tony Dowden
09-01-2011, 06:45 PM
I think there have been some Horror games with Horrible moves made, but it does not need a Horror author to write these.
Matthew King from Palmerston North might be the person you mean.I will be playing in the Rapid and Blitz so I might see you up there.
So, not someone from Horowhenua? ;)

I won't be at the rapid - or did you mean Gino?

ChrisBurns
09-01-2011, 07:47 PM
Yes, this was in reply to Gino.

Tony Dowden
09-01-2011, 08:13 PM
Yes, this was in reply to Gino.

Thanks Chris. Good luck for the Rapid :)

CivicChessMan
10-01-2011, 03:49 AM
Round 8 results:


1 Luke Li ˝:˝ Anthony Ker
2 Leonard McLaren 0:1 Antonio Krstev
3 Hilton Bennett 0:1 Bruce Watson
4 Daniel Shen 1:0 Russell Dive
5 Helen Milligan 0:1 Robert Smith
6 Hans Gao 0:1 Michael Steadman
7 Matthew Barlow ˝:˝ Peter Stuart
8 Alan Ansell ˝:˝ Noel Pinic
9 Nathan Goodhue 0:1 Robert Gibbons
10 Richard Taylor 0:1 Fuatai Fuatai
11 Hamish Gold 0:1 Ivan Dordevic
12 Ross Jackson ˝:˝ William Forster
13 Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao ˝:˝ Judy Gao


Leaders: Ker 6.5; Krstev, McLaren, Watson 5.5; Li, Steadman, Smith, Shen 5. Ker and Watson remain unbeaten.

Ker, despite being held to a draw by Li, increased his lead to 1 point. McLaren must be disappointed with his loss to Krstev. He held an advantage of 0.85 after 47. Ra7 e3+ but that went down to 0.16 when he played 48. Ke2 instead of Kd3. The pendulum swung in favour of Krstev after 57. g4 Bh3 followed by the losing move of 59. Bf3. Watson duly won against Bennett to join Krstev and McLaren. Shen further added to Dive's misery when he won.

Still 3 rounds to play and Ker surely has a grip on the Silver Rook. He plays Shen in round 9. Other key games are Watson vs Smith, Steadman vs McLaren and Krstev vs Li.

CivicChessMan
10-01-2011, 04:04 AM
Round 8 proved to be an indecisive round with draws on the top 3 boards. Round 7 leaders Eade, Huang and Evans are joined by Seabrook who won vs Holdo. Of the top 10 boards, only two games were win-loss, so there is still that traffic jam. 17 players are within a point of each other and even the 9 players on 4.5 can make an impact if they can string 3 wins together. Co-leader Seabrook has won his last 4 rounds and will play Huang while Eade meets Evans. Power (5) is the only unbeaten player and will play Zhang.

LNah
10-01-2011, 11:40 AM
IF you can read pgn files, try the link to the Round 09 pgn file below. It is the file generated by Toma (the dgt board software) for boards 1 - 5. If I have to upload anything that is the first file I'll send through.

Round 09 pgn file during play http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/ChampionshipRound09.pgn

ps In case there's problems tomorrow etc, Round 10's file during play tomorrow will be http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/ChampionshipRound10.pgn
Final round on Wed, Round 11 pgn file during play will be http://www.aucklandchesscentre.co.nz/livescores/ChampionshipRound11.pgn

Qbert
10-01-2011, 11:47 AM
I don't think Ker is in danger of losing to Shen this time - he has a pleasant edge with no risk if you ask me.
I don't know where Krstev is going with his double pawn sac...
update:
Shen has opted for another pawn island I think I would have played 19... g6, f5 and Rhe8 in preference to his choice
Dive has just picked up a pawn after Hilton's careless 17...Qe7? 18 f5!
Can Li get away with 24... Bd4+ 25 Kh1 Rxe2 winning a piece?
No: 26 Qd8+ Kg7 27 Bf6+ Kh6 28 Qf8#

Smith just sacs a knight for 3 pawns - looks quite good as f4 is left weak for white.

Hello - Li plays 24...Rxe2 - after 25 Qd8 Bf8 26 Bh6 Nd7 27 Qxd7 b5! maybe he gets away with it!
funny I was just considering 26 Rxf7! when it appeared on the board - after 26...c4+ 27 Kh1 Kxf7 28 Qf6+! (26 Rf1+ Rf2) Ke8! (Kg8 29 Rf1 Nd7 30 Qf7+ Kh8 31 Bf6+ and mates) 29 Rf1 Nd7 does Black win?
Of course 27 Kf1! and Black looks busted 27 ... Kxf7 28 Kxe2 and 29 Rf1+ will kill unless 28...Nd7 29 qxd7+

LNah
10-01-2011, 12:35 PM
As I have this dup post, decided to try report the results as they come in.

Championship boards
1 Anthony Ker ˝:˝ Daniel Shen
2 Bruce Watson 0 : 1 Robert Smith
3 Michael Steadman ˝:˝ Leonard McLaren
4 Antonio Krstev 1:0 Luke Li
5 Russell Dive 1:0 Hilton Bennett
6 Noel Pinic 0 : 1 Helen Milligan
7 Fuatai Fuatai ˝:˝ Matthew Barlow
8 Robert Gibbons 1:0 Hans Gao
9 Peter Stuart ˝:˝ Alan Ansell
10 William Forster 0 : 1 Ivan Dordevic
11 Hamish Gold ˝:˝ Nathan Goodhue
12 Judy Gao ˝:˝ Ross Jackson
13 Richard Taylor 0 : 1 Winston (Yow-Jen) Yao

6:23pm all games ended in the Championship tournament

Results for boards 1-5 of Major Open tournament
1. D Eade 0:1 D Evans
2 Alex Huang 0:1 Roy Seabrook
3 P Fraemohs 1:0 William Li
4 Martin Post 1:0 Johari Halim
5 Eric Wu 1:0 Caleb Wright
7 Karl Holdo 0:1 Nicole Tsoi

All Boards in Round 9 of Major Open has completed their games.

IMPORTANT NOTE: I'm trying to be as accurate as possible. These are results taken off the score sheets. Probably don't take results as final till you see it put up on the nz chess site or auckland chess centre site. Those ones are taken posts of an exported file from the DOP's computer.

LNah
10-01-2011, 12:36 PM
Board 1 just finished
1 Anthony Ker ˝:˝ Daniel Shen

Qbert
10-01-2011, 01:26 PM
Krstev spurns the perpetual and may be losing now. 35 dxe6 Qxb6+ 36 Kg3 Qxe6 leave Black with extra pawns - especially on c4

I give up - my analysis (unassisted) is crap :(

Great game to watch though :)

Qbert
10-01-2011, 02:25 PM
Hamish score another half point and reaches Gino's prediction of 2.5 with 2 rounds to spare! Go Haamisshh!!:clap: :clap: Still time to beat 4 points....

LNah
10-01-2011, 02:38 PM
To people looking at the live games: My apologies. I seem to have lost connection with the board and can't get it back. I don't want to go near that table to check the cables. They won't be happy with me for disturbing them. I'll keep sending the files in case something magically works again.

5:44pm Nothing seems to have improved. I am going to give up on the live games. Sorry abbout this.

guruduff
10-01-2011, 03:16 PM
Does anyone know what time the rapid champs start on Thursday and when registration closes?

LNah
10-01-2011, 03:26 PM
The deadline for entries to the NZ Rapid Championship is 08:30am on the day of play, Thursday 13th January 2010.
I'll be putting up the schedule of games tonight. Sorry for the delay.

Tony Dowden
10-01-2011, 03:54 PM
Does anyone know the result of Watson-Smith? (Draw?)

Up-date: Oh, I see Smith (deservedly) won after his creative knight capture on d3.

Tony Dowden
10-01-2011, 03:54 PM
Hamish score another half point and reaches Gino's prediction of 2.5 with 2 rounds to spare! Go Haamisshh!!:clap: :clap: Still time to beat 4 points....

Yes, c'mon Hamish!!!

Tony Dowden
10-01-2011, 04:02 PM
Krstev spurns the perpetual and may be losing now. 35 dxe6 Qxb6+ 36 Kg3 Qxe6 leave Black with extra pawns - especially on c4

I give up - my analysis (unassisted) is crap :(

Great game to watch though :)

Yes, crazy game with lots of tactics! Krstev continues his dream run.

Antonio could have played a5 earlier. Especially right after ...Qb2-b6 where my gut says it secures an easy win. (But I would have played it much earlier, substituting it for Rac1).

But it's hard to believe there wasn't a quick bust involving winning a piece or something even earlier as ...Nfd7 had to be wrong.

Tony Dowden
10-01-2011, 04:09 PM
To people looking at the live games: My apologies. I seem to have lost connection with the board and can't get it back. I don't want to go near that table to check the cables. They won't be happy with me for disturbing them. I'll keep sending the files in case something magically works again.

5:44pm Nothing seems to have improved. I am going to give up on the live games. Sorry abbout this.

Thanks for all your efforts Lin :clap: :clap:

CivicChessMan
10-01-2011, 05:55 PM
Leaders: Ker 7; Krstev 6.5; McLaren, Smith 6; Watson, Steadman, Shen 5.5

Ker drew with Shen after 29 moves to stay top while Krstev closed the gap to a half-point beating Li. My analysis engine gave McLaren winning chances against Steadman; that ended in a draw. Watson had drawing chances at 46. Kd5 at which time the digital boards died but lost somehow to Smith.

In Round 10, Ker meets Milligan. I'm sure he is quite happy about avoiding Dive. Despite his patchy performance, Dive is capable of beating Ker and they usually don't settle for a short draw. Smith has won his last 3 rounds and will test high-flying Krstev. A win to Ker and a draw or loss for Krstev means Ker is NZ Champion for the 12th time. In other games, Shen plays McLaren, Watson vs Steadman and Li vs Dive.

CivicChessMan
10-01-2011, 06:01 PM
Leaders: Evans, Seabrook 7; Fraemohs, Post 6.5; 7 players on 6

In contrast to the previous round, the top 5 boards resulted in wins. Seabrook continued his impressive form and won his fifth game in a row beating Huang. Evans beat Eade to join Seabrook. A half-point back are Fraemohs and Post.

It's Seabrook vs Evans, Huang vs Fraemohs and the still unbeaten Power vs Post in round 10.

Tony Dowden
10-01-2011, 07:36 PM
Leaders: Ker 7; Krstev 6.5; McLaren, Smith 6; Watson, Steadman, Shen 5.5

Ker drew with Shen after 29 moves to stay top while Krstev closed the gap to a half-point beating Li. My analysis engine gave McLaren winning chances against Steadman; that ended in a draw. Watson had drawing chances at 46. Kd5 at which time the digital boards died but lost somehow to Smith.

I agree that Steadman's position looked very shaky gainst McLaren! But it was worse yesterday when Hans Gao missed multiple winning lines (e.g.Nxe6 sacs)

If the pgn file is correct Richard Taylor resigned against Winston Yao in a position where he had a fairly easy to see mate in six (23.Rf8+ Kh7 24.R1f7+ Kg6 25. Rg7+ Kh5 26.Rf5+ Kh4 27.g3+ Kh3 28.Rh5#)

Adamski
10-01-2011, 07:51 PM
If the pgn file is correct Richard Taylor resigned against Winston Yao in a position where he had a fairly easy to see mate in six (23.Rf8+ Kh7 24.R1f7+ Kg6 25. Rg7+ Kh5 26.Rf5+ Kh4 27.g3+ Kh3 28.Rh5#)
Wow! That "resigns" is worth ???

Kevin Bonham
10-01-2011, 08:58 PM
One hopes ...h6?? wasn't actually played because white's position was certainly resignable without it. Here's what the PGN has:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 g6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nc6 5.Be3 Bg7 6.Nc3 Nf6 7.Bc4 0-0 8.0-0 Nxe4 9.Bxf7+ Rxf7 10.Nxe4 Bxd4 11.Bxd4 Rf4 12.Bc3 Rxe4 13.Qd5+ Re6 14.f4 Qc7 15.f5 Qd6 16.Qc4 b5 17.Qb3 Qc5+ 18.Kh1 gxf5 19.Rad1 Qc4 20.Rxf5 Qxb3 21.axb3 b4 22.Rdf1 h6 According to the PGN white resigns here instead of playing 23.Rf8+ Kh7 24.R1f7+ Kg6 25.Rg7+ Kh5 26.Rf5+ Kh4 27.g3+ Kh3 28.Rh5# 1-0

Interference
11-01-2011, 03:13 AM
PGN

22 ...bxc3 looks like 22 ...h6 when scribbled on a scoresheet.


Round Nine Review is up
http://web.mac.com/xrissmith/Chess/NZ/nzchamps2011.htm

heligan
11-01-2011, 05:43 AM
22...bxc3 was played. PGN has been corrected.

heligan
11-01-2011, 05:48 AM
There is (was) also a mistake (obviously) in the score of Pinic-Milligan. Move 27 should read 27...Qe7.