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Metro
07-02-2010, 11:54 PM
The bi-annual Olympiad is scheduled for September 19 to October 4 in Russia.

It's academic but my selections for the Open team at this time:
Board 1 Zhao,Board 2 Smerdon,Boards 3-5 Johansen,Solomon and Xie(in no particular order).This team is identical to the 2008 team.
I must admit I have not looked at the Womens team so feel free to post a selection.

Vlad
08-02-2010, 11:34 AM
As Pax has already mentioned somewehere else

1. Yuan
2. David
3. George and
4. Darryl

are the clear cut. The 5-th is not as clear and the main choice is between Stephen and Alex.

I personally would go with Stephen because of his good performance in the Australian Masters in December last year and his relatively better performance in the Championship.

Garvinator
08-02-2010, 02:04 PM
Anyone who can pick the women's team in board order should also give the lotto numbers for the next draw.

I would think it would be close to impossible to get the order right as it is a mystery who is even going to apply in the first place.

Oepty
08-02-2010, 05:39 PM
Anyone who can pick the women's team in board order should also give the lotto numbers for the next draw.

I would think it would be close to impossible to get the order right as it is a mystery who is even going to apply in the first place.

Yes, it is going to be very interesting to see who does apply. Arianne Caolli is clearly going to be board 1 if she applies. She has clearly passed Irina Feldman, who should be second board if she applies. Dr. Giang Nguyen is now studing on Belgium as the link explains, http://www.unisanet.unisa.edu.au/Staff/JerzyFilar/Page1-Giang.pdf She does not seem to have played any FIDE rated chess since she has started studing there, whether she has played anything else I have no idea. That leaves us with Laura Moylan and Biljana Dekic rated over 2000 and Moylan is flagged inactive.
Scott

Basil
08-02-2010, 06:14 PM
I'm available. And I'm prepared to dress appropriately.

Oepty
08-02-2010, 09:31 PM
I'm available. And I'm prepared to dress appropriately.

Yep, you could become Captain Bra-man

MichaelBaron
15-02-2010, 01:31 PM
As Pax has already mentioned somewehere else

1. Yuan
2. David
3. George and
4. Darryl

are the clear cut. The 5-th is not as clear and the main choice is between Stephen and Alex.

I personally would go with Stephen because of his good performance in the Australian Masters in December last year and his relatively better performance in the Championship.

I agree ..but i would switch board order for Darryl and George...Darryl is good at drawing against higher rated opposition, while George is quite solid against weaker players.

Capablanca-Fan
15-02-2010, 02:31 PM
I agree ..but i would switch board order for Darryl and George...Darryl is good at drawing against higher rated opposition, while George is quite solid against weaker players.
Now that is an interesting point for selectors to consider.

Adamski
15-02-2010, 03:04 PM
IM Alex Wohl must be in the mix. Some of his 2009 performances were exceptional, including coming first in Munich, and he should not be over-penalised by a comparitively poor Aus Champs after a hugely successful year. First reserve at least in my book...

Capablanca-Fan
15-02-2010, 03:51 PM
IM Alex Wohl must be in the mix. Some of his 2009 performances were exceptional, including coming first in Munich, and he should not be over-penalised by a comparitively poor Aus Champs after a hugely successful year. First reserve at least in my book...
That's a hard one. Stephen Solomon has also had some very performances as Vlad pointed out. Selectors have a hard job to weigh up whether Alex is likely to play brilliantly like Munich (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=10918&highlight=wohl)and Wiesbaden (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?t=10725&highlight=wohl) or his brilliancy against Giplis (http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1051502), or poorly as in the last Champs. Alex narrowly missed last selection and was very sporting about it (http://chesschat.org/showthread.php?p=203724&highlight=wohl#post203724). It may be easiest all round to go by ratings, because then everyone knows where he stands, and after all, they are supposed to measure probability of scoring well. I presume that the main criterion for selection is still: the strongest team is to be selected, defined as the likelihood of scoring the most points (how this relates to the crass "match points" scoring is unclear). Last time, the selections did in fact precisely match the rating order.

Kevin Bonham
15-02-2010, 05:40 PM
I presume that the main criterion for selection is still: the strongest team is to be selected, defined as the likelihood of scoring the most points (how this relates to the crass "match points" scoring is unclear). Last time, the selections did in fact precisely match the rating order.

For a long time the sole selection criterion has been "to rank the players in order of playing strength". No other selection criterion has been specified for this Olympiad by the ACF Council as yet, nor do I have any reason to believe that any will be.

pax
15-02-2010, 06:46 PM
I presume that the main criterion for selection is still: the strongest team is to be selected, defined as the likelihood of scoring the most points (how this relates to the crass "match points" scoring is unclear).



Indeed, the rules are clear: the strongest team is to be selected, defined as the likelihood of scoring the most points (how this relates to the crass "match points" scoring is unclear).
link (http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=203722&postcount=233)

Say what you will about Jono, but he is very consistent.

Denis_Jessop
15-02-2010, 07:08 PM
For a long time the sole selection criterion has been "to rank the players in order of playing strength". No other selection criterion has been specified for this Olympiad by the ACF Council as yet, nor do I have any reason to believe that any will be.

But the Olympiad By-law which sets out the objectives of entering the Olypmiad may be what Jono had in mind. It relevantly provides


1. Objectives
The ACF has two major objectives in sending teams to the Chess Olympiads, though there are a number of other advantages as well.
a. Major Objectives i. To finish as high as possible in the Olympiad.
ii. To provide a goal as an incentive for all categories of chess players recognized by FIDE.
b. Other Advantages
i. More experience for our strongest players, the possibility of them gaining international recognition in the form of titles or ELO ratings, and ultimately the raising of the general standard of Australian chess.
ii. The promotion of the image of Australian chess within FIDE and amongst the chess players of other countries.
iii. The arousal of the interest of the media and that of the general public as well.

Note that the relevant reference is to finishing as high as possible, not scoring the most points, so the By-law is not affected by the change in the scoring system.

DJ

Kevin Bonham
15-02-2010, 08:34 PM
But the Olympiad By-law which sets out the objectives of entering the Olypmiad may be what Jono had in mind.

Perhaps so but the default selection criterion I mentioned is specified in the Selections By-Law and clearly noted as "the selection criterion for each event" unless Council decides otherwise.

Whether there is a possible inconsistency between that criterion and the major objective is a matter for debate. However if Council ever thinks there is, presumably it will come up with a different set of criteria.

Capablanca-Fan
15-02-2010, 09:00 PM
But the Olympiad By-law which sets out the objectives of entering the Olypmiad may be what Jono had in mind. It relevantly provides
That's exactly what I had in mind; thanx DJ.

FWIW, last time my picks were 9/10 the same as the selected and identical to Pax's, quite a feat since normally we wouldn't agree on the colour of an orange; the only difference was Board 5 in the Open team

Adamski
15-02-2010, 09:44 PM
That's exactly what I had in mind; thanx DJ.

FWIW, last time my picks were 9/10 the same as the selected and identical to Pax's, quite a feat since normally we wouldn't agree on the colour of an orange; the only difference was Board 5 in the Open teamIt was interesting to read the old posts from the previous Olympiad selection, so thanks guys for the links. Yes, Jono is consistent in this area (indeed, every area to my knowledge!) and yes, Alex was magnanimous about his non-selection then. BTW I spell it "Alex" (though he is Aleksander in full) because every email he has sent me (and there have been a few before he came out in January) he has signed "Alex". Finally, it will be very interesting to see the final selection, and see how many Jono, Pax and others get right.
FWIW, my list is (and to give a little variety!):
Zhao
Smerdon
Xie
Johansen
Wohl. If anyone unavailable, then clearly an otherwise unlucky Solomon.

Hard to think of any Ladies Longshot here - maybe one of the "I's" - Ikeda or Ilingworth if either of them has a brilliant SIO and/or Doeberl. (But Junta and Max, there is hope! My ladies longshot for NZ team, Stephen Lukey, is looking good - due admittedly to unavailabilities!)

Ladies longshot was a term from NZ tv years ago. No dis-resepect is intended to females! To prove it, here is a possible Aus ladies team (if they apply of course):
Caoili
Berezina-Feldman
Moylan
Dekic (norths cc)
Guo (if expected significant improvement occurs in period from now to close of selection)

Vlad
15-02-2010, 10:11 PM
I agree ..but i would switch board order for Darryl and George...Darryl is good at drawing against higher rated opposition, while George is quite solid against weaker players.

Yes, George is not trying to draw higher rated opposition, he is trying to kill them. Look at his results starting from Manly 2009. They are truly impressive: Manly 2009, Doerbel 2009, SIO 2009, Ryde Eastwood 2009, Aus Champs 2010, Australian Day Weekender 2010.

Seriously, I can't see why would you even suggest that a young promising player would be placed on a lower board when he has proved by all possible means that he is currently #3 in Australia.

Vlad
15-02-2010, 10:23 PM
Below is the list of top Australian females. I presume half of them would not be willing to play or would not satisfy 20 game criterion. One just needs to go down until 5 players are found. Hopefully both Emma and Sally will be able to join the team this time.

2186! 0 QLD Caoili, Arianne B [WIM]
2147 5 Sorokina, Anastasia [WIM]
2101! 0 SA Nguyen, Giang
2079! 4 NSW Berezina-Feldman, Irina [IM]
1994! 0 NSW Moylan, Laura A [WIM]
1934! 7 NSW Dekic, Biljana [WIM]
1812!! 36 ACT Guo, Emma
1802!! 39 VIC Yu, Sally
1783! 3 QLD Jule, Alexandra [WIM]
1762!! 0 ACT Oliver, Shannon [WFM]
1731! 7 VIC Anton, Sarah

Adamski
15-02-2010, 10:41 PM
As well as his excellent chess, GM David Smerdon will also be able to contribute to the team knowledge of the place where the Olympiad is being played, It is the same one he went to for last year's world cup. Prepare for cold Siberian weather teams!

Garrett
16-02-2010, 06:19 AM
Are we going to start raising money soon ?

Perhaps someone should head out the back and dig up Murray to see if he will do it again for us. If he is not available perhaps I can help if shown how it works.

Desmond
16-02-2010, 08:41 AM
What is "crass" about using match points for this team event?

Capablanca-Fan
16-02-2010, 11:33 AM
What is "crass" about using match points for this team event?
As discussed before, chess is primarily a game between two players. There is no good reason to group results in fours, rather than count them individually. Match point scoring also reduces the incentive for players to win, if a draw would cement a match victory.

Kevin Bonham
16-02-2010, 11:56 AM
As discussed before, chess is primarily a game between two players. There is no good reason to group results in fours, rather than count them individually.

But on that basis there is equally no good reason to have teams events such as Olympiads at all. I think the best argument against the new system is that it increases the granularity of the overall results because so much information is discarded by relegating game points to a tiebreak and hence treating 2.5-1.5 the same at the primary level as 4-0.

pax
16-02-2010, 12:29 PM
FWIW, last time my picks were 9/10 the same as the selected and identical to Pax's, quite a feat since normally we wouldn't agree on the colour of an orange; the only difference was Board 5 in the Open team

Oh, we don't disagree to often when the subject is chess.

Adamski
16-02-2010, 12:42 PM
Oh, we don't disagree to often when the subject is chess.A case could be made that an orange is amber in colour!

Desmond
16-02-2010, 01:31 PM
As discussed before, chess is primarily a game between two players. There is no good reason to group results in fours, rather than count them individually. Match point scoring also reduces the incentive for players to win, if a draw would cement a match victory.Would you support pairing the players individually in a monster swiss where team mates cannot play each other?

Capablanca-Fan
16-02-2010, 05:24 PM
Would you support pairing the players individually in a monster swiss where team mates cannot play each other?
That's a fair question, since in a way it's an extension of my argument. In this case, the teams format is a given, and it's popular, so I see no reason to change. But there was also no good reason to change from the traditional game points to match points. What KB calls the best argument is indeed a good one.

MichaelBaron
16-02-2010, 06:07 PM
Yes, George is not trying to draw higher rated opposition, he is trying to kill them. Look at his results starting from Manly 2009. They are truly impressive: Manly 2009, Doerbel 2009, SIO 2009, Ryde Eastwood 2009, Aus Champs 2010, Australian Day Weekender 2010.

Seriously, I can't see why would you even suggest that a young promising player would be placed on a lower board when he has proved by all possible means that he is currently #3 in Australia.

Why so he can score more points on a lower board :). Strategically, i think it could be a good move. It is quite common for teams to put stronger players on lower boards. For example Kazan' team had fairly weak (but solid) GMs on boards 1 and 2 playing for them at the Russian Team championships one year (I think the GMs were Yandemirov and Kharlov) while players like Rublevsky occupied lower boards

MichaelBaron
16-02-2010, 06:08 PM
Below is the list of top Australian females. I presume half of them would not be willing to play or would not satisfy 20 game criterion. One just needs to go down until 5 players are found. Hopefully both Emma and Sally will be able to join the team this time.

2186! 0 QLD Caoili, Arianne B [WIM]
2147 5 Sorokina, Anastasia [WIM]
2101! 0 SA Nguyen, Giang
2079! 4 NSW Berezina-Feldman, Irina [IM]
1994! 0 NSW Moylan, Laura A [WIM]
1934! 7 NSW Dekic, Biljana [WIM]
1812!! 36 ACT Guo, Emma
1802!! 39 VIC Yu, Sally
1783! 3 QLD Jule, Alexandra [WIM]
1762!! 0 ACT Oliver, Shannon [WFM]
1731! 7 VIC Anton, Sarah

It is good to see so many of the top female players being young and upcoming.

Capablanca-Fan
16-02-2010, 07:16 PM
Why so he can score more points on a lower board :). Strategically, i think it could be a good move. It is quite common for teams to put stronger players on lower boards. For example Kazan' team had fairly weak (but solid) GMs on boards 1 and 2 playing for them at the Russian Team championships one year (I think the GMs were Yandemirov and Kharlov) while players like Rublevsky occupied lower boards
That indeed might fit the ostensible primary objective of the ACF's sending Olympiad teams. But they have also given the directive to select boards in order of playing strength.

pax
17-02-2010, 02:23 AM
It is good to see so many of the top female players being young and upcoming.

Unfortunately the main reason for that is that many strong female players stop playing after leaving junior ranks.

For example, Emma Guo is ranked 5th by FIDE rating out of active female players. Out of all female players, she is ranked 33rd.

pax
17-02-2010, 02:46 AM
FWIW, my selections:

Caoili, Berezina, Dekic, Moylan and Giang (though some of those may not apply or qualify); Zhao, Smerdon, Xie, Johansen and Wohl (v marginally from Solo).

Capablanca-Fan
17-02-2010, 10:40 AM
Current FIDE ratings are here (http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=267916&postcount=16)


# Name Title Fed Rating G B-Year
1 Zhao, Zong-Yuan g AUS 2572 0 1986
2 Smerdon, David g AUS 2530 2 1984
3 Wohl, Aleksandar H. m AUS 2458 18 1963
4 Johansen, Darryl K. g AUS 2453 19 1959
5 Xie, George Wendi m AUS 2448 6 1985
6 Solomon, Stephen J. m AUS 2428 9 1963
7 Chapman, Mark m AUS 2401 0 1963
8 Goldenberg, Igor m AUS 2386 9 1969
9 Lane, Gary W. m AUS 2377 0 1964
10 Rej, Tomek f AUS 2364 10 1986

Current ACF ratings at Dec 2009 (http://www.auschess.org.au/ratings/acfrate.htm)


2568!! 7 NSW Zhao, Zong-Yuan [GM]
2510!! 13 ACT Smerdon, David C [GM]
2479! 0 NSW Wohl, Aleksander H [IM]
2435!! 11 VIC Johansen, Darryl K [GM]
2424!! 30 NSW Xie, George [IM]
2386! 0 SA Tao, Trevor
2365!! 12 QLD Solomon, Stephen J [IM]
2354!! 7 NSW Bjelobrk, Igor [FM]
2338! 12 QLD Ly, Moulthun
2336! 6 ACT Ikeda, Junta

Both pre-date the Aussie Champs

Women FIDE [won't load for me]

Women ACF (http://www.auschess.org.au/ratings/acfrate.htm)


2186! 0 QLD Caoili, Arianne B [WIM]
2101! 0 SA Nguyen, Giang
2079! 4 NSW Berezina-Feldman, Irina [IM]
1994! 0 NSW Moylan, Laura A [WIM]
1934! 7 NSW Dekic, Biljana [WIM]
1818! 1 NSW Musaeva, Aina
1812!! 36 ACT Guo, Emma
1802!! 39 VIC Yu, Sally
1783! 3 QLD Jule, Alexandra [WIM]
1762!! 0 ACT Oliver, Shannon [WFM]

pax
17-02-2010, 01:49 PM
After taking into account the expected changes (inc Australian Championship):


# Name Title Fed Rating G B-Year
1 Zhao, Zong-Yuan g AUS 2592 0 1986
2 Smerdon, David g AUS 2530 2 1984
3 Xie, George Wendi m AUS 2470 6 1985
4 Johansen, Darryl K. g AUS 2457 19 1959
5 Wohl, Aleksandar H. m AUS 2441 18 1963
6 Solomon, Stephen J. m AUS 2424 9 1963
7 Chapman, Mark m AUS 2401 0 1963
8 Goldenberg, Igor m AUS 2386 9 1969
9 Lane, Gary W. m AUS 2380 0 1964
10 Rej, Tomek f AUS 2348 10 1986

pax
17-02-2010, 01:52 PM
Current Women's FIDE ratings:


1 Berezina, Irina m AUS 2239 0 1965
2 Caoili, Arianne wm AUS 2235 9 1986
3 Nguyen, Thu Giang AUS 2108 0 1985
4 Dekic, Biljana N. wm AUS 2091 0 1950
5 Guo, Emma AUS 1958 28 1995
6 Jule, Alexandra wm AUS 1938 5 1989
7 Yu, Sally AUS 1933 6 1994
8 Oliver, Shannon wf AUS 1926 0 1986
9 Eustace, Sophie AUS 1843 0 1993
10 Reid, Vaness AUS 1839 0
10 Szuveges, Narelle wm AUS 1839 0 1978


Of these, only Emma Guo has an expected rating change (-17).

Leonid Sandler
17-02-2010, 01:55 PM
You have forgotten to include Anastasia Sorokina who might be keen to play in Siberia!

Leonid Sandler
17-02-2010, 01:58 PM
My Mens team as per 17/2/2010


1.Zhao
2.Smerdon
3.Johansen
4.Xie
5.Mr X

pax
17-02-2010, 02:38 PM
You have forgotten to include Anastasia Sorokina who might be keen to play in Siberia!

She will need to get her skates on and play some games: she is currently inactive on the ACF and FIDE lists. I'm not sure how she will play 20 rated games between now and the end of April.

Capablanca-Fan
17-02-2010, 02:50 PM
After taking into account the expected changes (inc Australian Championship):


# Name Title Fed Rating G B-Year
1 Zhao, Zong-Yuan g AUS 2592 0 1986
2 Smerdon, David g AUS 2530 2 1984
3 Xie, George Wendi m AUS 2470 6 1985
4 Johansen, Darryl K. g AUS 2457 19 1959
5 Wohl, Aleksandar H. m AUS 2441 18 1963
6 Solomon, Stephen J. m AUS 2424 9 1963
7 Chapman, Mark m AUS 2401 0 1963
8 Goldenberg, Igor m AUS 2386 9 1969
9 Lane, Gary W. m AUS 2380 0 1964
10 Rej, Tomek f AUS 2348 10 1986
Is that ACF or FIDE? How should they be weighted? Ratings support your selection.

pax
17-02-2010, 04:11 PM
Is that ACF or FIDE? How should they be weighted? Ratings support your selection.

Those are the adjusted FIDE ratings. For the majority of the men, FIDE ratings are more significant since almost all of their relevant games are included. Wohl in particular cannot be judged on his ACF rating since he plays many games overseas and relatively few in Australia. The women on the other hand, probably need to be judged primarily on ACF rating (except perhaps for the top one or two), since the majority of their relevant games will be ACF rated (and not all FIDE rated). FIDE ratings also tend to be inaccurate below about 2100.

Oepty
17-02-2010, 05:09 PM
She will need to get her skates on and play some games: she is currently inactive on the ACF and FIDE lists. I'm not sure how she will play 20 rated games between now and the end of April.

Sorokina played 5 games in the last ACF rating period, rated 2147, number 2 ACF. Not enough to make top lists, but she still could make the 20 games mark. She would be be a strong addition to the team. My order would be Caoili, Berezina-Feldman, Sorokina, Nguyen, Moylan (or perhaps Moylan, Nguyen), Dekic and Guo. After that not really sure, but hopefully the selection doesn't have to go beyond that.
Scott

pax
18-02-2010, 01:38 PM
Sorokina played 5 games in the last ACF rating period, rated 2147, number 2 ACF.

I missed that. I assumed she was inactive based on her absence from the top list.

Denis_Jessop
18-02-2010, 07:37 PM
I missed that. I assumed she was inactive based on her absence from the top list.

I think that Bill doesn't put players in the "top" lists unless they have a !! rating or perhaps he accepts a ! rating. Anastasia doesn't have either.

DJ

MichaelBaron
19-02-2010, 08:27 AM
Is the requirement of having to play a certain number of rated games to be eligible to play in the OL been followed ''únconditionally'' if Sorokina applies, will her application be automatically rejected because she has not played enough rated games. What if someone like Zhao takes a year off chess..then applies to play in the OL? He will not be considered?

pax
19-02-2010, 12:54 PM
Is the requirement of having to play a certain number of rated games to be eligible to play in the OL been followed ''únconditionally'' if Sorokina applies, will her application be automatically rejected because she has not played enough rated games. What if someone like Zhao takes a year off chess..then applies to play in the OL? He will not be considered?

I think the answers are likely to be "yes" and "yes". The activity requirement is not onerous, and the applicants are all well aware of the requirement.

I cannot imagine a situation ever arising where a realistic candidate for the Men's team failed to meet the activity requirement. The women's team is a different story of course, since the vast majority of Australia's top 50 players are inactive.

Kevin Bonham
20-02-2010, 07:06 PM
A player can apply before they have completed their 20 games provided that they get their 20 games requirement completed by the deadline. If any player does not have 20 games in the bag when the deadline passes then their application would be rejected at that point.

In theory, the requirement is only a By-Law and can thus be overturned by ACF Council at any time. In practice it would be an extremely bad idea for Council to overturn it for any subjective reason and it could even provoke a legal challenge.

One player was struggling to get the 20 games played last Olympiad and no latitude was granted in that case. That player eventually did get exactly 20 games played in time.

Denis_Jessop
20-02-2010, 10:06 PM
Moreover, if there is a discretion to waive the requirement, it is contrary to the concept of such a discretion to make any general statement on the matter in advance. Each case has to be considered on its facts. It is a recognised legal principle that a decision-maker having a discretion cannot bind himself in advance regarding the exercise of the discretion.

DJ

Ian Murray
07-04-2010, 09:33 PM
The opening of the ACF appeal for donations to help our Olympiad teams will be announced this week.

I have accepted an invitation from ACF to again act as the appeal coordinator. The appeal website is under construction, and will open soon at www.acfappeal.aunz.org (http://www.acfappeal.aunz.org)

The organisers at Khanty-Mansiysk are expected to issue invitations to national federations on 21 April, when full details will become available. Charter flights from Moscow should be on offer.

In the meantime prospective team members may be interested in a $1359 Sydney-Moscow fare ($1339 ex Melbourne) being offered by China Eastern Airlines, provided tickets are purchased by 30 June. Details here (http://www.bestflights.com.au/cheap-flights/phone-flights-details/uk-and-europe/china-eastern-airlines-sale/103646)

Basil
07-04-2010, 09:38 PM
I have accepted an invitation from ACF to again act as the appeal coordinator.
Best man for the job. Carry on.

Igor_Goldenberg
08-04-2010, 11:56 AM
I remember Ian did a remarkable job two years ago.
In the unlikely case I am selected for a team, thanks for the link!

Watto
09-04-2010, 10:10 AM
The opening of the ACF appeal for donations to help our Olympiad teams will be announced this week.

I have accepted an invitation from ACF to again act as the appeal coordinator. The appeal website is under construction, and will open soon at www.acfappeal.aunz.org (http://www.acfappeal.aunz.org)

That's great news, Ian. You did an amazing job last time. Best of luck with the appeal.

Ian Murray
09-04-2010, 12:50 PM
That's great news, Ian. You did an amazing job last time. Best of luck with the appeal.
Flattery will get you everywhere :D

Garvinator
11-04-2010, 07:41 PM
What happens if less than 4 women apply?

Adamski
11-04-2010, 08:10 PM
What happens if less than 4 women apply?Less than 4 women go to Siberia. But I don't expect that. Alexandra Jule is another who could apply and showed some form in Sydney in the SIO.

Metro
11-04-2010, 08:24 PM
That's great news, Ian. You did an amazing job last time. Best of luck with the appeal.
How about a target of $20,000? If I am not mistaken,2008 total was $19,669.

Kevin Bonham
11-04-2010, 08:28 PM
What happens if less than 4 women apply?

In my experience this is unlikely, as several applications for Olympiad selection usually arrive in the last week or two.

However if it did happen that there were fewer than five valid applications for either team, then barring exceptional circumstances or ACF directions to the contrary, I would declare those who had applied selected, and re-open applications for the remaining position(s).

Ian Murray
21-04-2010, 11:35 AM
Hi Ian

I run the Maccabi Junior Chess Club in Perth. We have 30 children registered of all religions and race.

We would like to take this opportunity to wish the Australian Chess team all the success.

Being in Perth, we have very limited access to the excitement of the national team.

Chess is a very small sport, and our club cannot offer the Olympic Chess team any financial support.

However we can offer moral support. In this regard, we would like to know how we can assist.

It would be terrific for the club, to have some interaction with the national players.

The internet has revolutionised the possibilities. Please advise how we can assist.

Regards

Steven Pearson
Maccabi Chess Club WA

Vlad
27-04-2010, 12:36 PM
After taking into account the expected changes in May


# Name Title Fed Rating G B-Year
1 Zhao, Zong-Yuan g AUS 2582 1986
2 Smerdon, David g AUS 2531 1984
3 Xie, George Wendi m AUS 2482 1985
4 Solomon, Stephen J. m AUS 2434 1963
5 Johansen, Darryl K. g AUS 2420 1959
6 Wohl, Aleksandar H. m AUS 2412 1963
7 Goldenberg, Igor m AUS 2386 1969
8 Lane, Gary W. m AUS 2367 1964
9 Rej, Tomek f AUS 2343 1986

Vlad
27-04-2010, 12:46 PM
After taking into account the expected changes in May (Women's FIDE ratings):


1 Caoili, Arianne wm AUS 2243 1986
2 Berezina, Irina m AUS 2239 1965
3 Nguyen, Thu Giang AUS 2108 1985
4 Moylan, Laura wm AUS 2108 1983
5 Dekic, Biljana N. wm AUS 2091 1950
6 Jule, Alexandra wm AUS 1970 1989
7 Guo, Emma wf AUS 1954 1995
8 Yu, Sally AUS 1902 1994

Desmond
27-04-2010, 12:59 PM
After taking into account the expected changes in May


# Name Title Fed Rating G B-Year
1 Zhao, Zong-Yuan g AUS 2582 1986
2 Smerdon, David g AUS 2531 1984
3 Xie, George Wendi m AUS 2482 1985
4 Solomon, Stephen J. m AUS 2434 1963
5 Johansen, Darryl K. g AUS 2420 1959
6 Wohl, Aleksandar H. m AUS 2412 1963
7 Goldenberg, Igor m AUS 2386 1969
8 Lane, Gary W. m AUS 2367 1964
9 Rej, Tomek f AUS 2343 1986
Plenty of players with the YoB in the 60s and 80s but what about the 70s? Those players are now in their chess prime, the 30-40 age bracket. Did that generation (for want of a better term) lack talent, nurturing or retention at the high level?

Oepty
27-04-2010, 01:28 PM
Plenty of players with the YoB in the 60s and 80s but what about the 70s? Those players are now in their chess prime, the 30-40 age bracket. Did that generation (for want of a better term) lack talent, nurturing or retention at the high level?

Trevor Tao, John-Paul Wallace, Nick Speck and Greg Canfell are all players born in the 70s who have been to Olympiads, 3 of them at 20 or younger.
Scott

Desmond
27-04-2010, 02:28 PM
Ok thanks

Vlad
29-04-2010, 10:54 PM
As Pax has already mentioned somewehere else

1. Yuan
2. David
3. George and
4. Darryl

are the clear cut. The 5-th is not as clear and the main choice is between Stephen and Alex.

I personally would go with Stephen because of his good performance in the Australian Masters in December last year and his relatively better performance in the Championship.

Ok, the man's team is a clear cut now.

1. Yuan
2. David
3. George
4. and 5. Darryl and Stephen (I am not so sure about in which order they should be placed.)
6. Alex
7. Igor
8. Gary

Vlad
29-04-2010, 11:06 PM
Woman's team is more or less clear cut as well.
1. Arianne
2. Irina
3. Giang
4. Biljana
5. Emma
6. Sarah
7. Vaness

It is unfortunate that Laura Moylan and Alex Jule did not apply. They could make the team stronger.

Note that Biljana has had a very good performance recently. She finished the North Sydney Chess Club Champonship on 6/11 with a FIDE performance rating of 2150.

ER
30-04-2010, 03:22 AM
...
It is unfortunate that Laura Moylan and Alex Jule did not apply. They could make the team stronger.


I think that is also very unfortunate that Box Hill and Canterbury Juniors CC Sally Yu is not amongst our female Olympians' team!

AzureBlue
30-04-2010, 05:10 PM
Trevor Tao, John-Paul Wallace, Nick Speck and Greg Canfell are all players born in the 70s who have been to Olympiads, 3 of them at 20 or younger.
Scott
Terry Tao's brother :eek: ?

Oepty
30-04-2010, 05:21 PM
Terry Tao's brother :eek: ?

Yes, Terry Tao is Trevor's brother.
Scott

AzureBlue
30-04-2010, 06:06 PM
Yes, Terry Tao is Trevor's brother.
Scott
Wow :D Terry Tao = Maths God. I think Trevor got a bronze in IMO at one stage and so did Nigel. Terry got a bronze, silver then gold in consecutive years, then went off to get a fields medal. :) Does Trevor still play chess competitively?

pax
30-04-2010, 06:12 PM
Yes, Terry Tao is Trevor's brother.
Scott
Talented family: Nigel works for Google.

pax
30-04-2010, 06:27 PM
Ok, the man's team is a clear cut now.

1. Yuan
2. David
3. George
4. and 5. Darryl and Stephen (I am not so sure about in which order they should be placed.)
6. Alex

You are probably right about this now. Stephen's Doeberl and SIO have surely cemented his place. Darryl's place might have been at risk after the Doeberl and SIO were it not for the fact that Alex had a pretty disastrous Malaysian Open at around the same time. Stephen will jump above both Darryl and Alex on the next FIDE list (meanwhile, George creeps closer to the crucial 2500).

Oepty
30-04-2010, 11:46 PM
Wow :D Terry Tao = Maths God. I think Trevor got a bronze in IMO at one stage and so did Nigel. Terry got a bronze, silver then gold in consecutive years, then went off to get a fields medal. :) Does Trevor still play chess competitively?

Yes, Trevor does, at the rate of one tournament per year though so only just. Hopefully he will play the Checkmate weekender again this year.
Scott

Brian_Jones
01-05-2010, 09:38 AM
.....Alex had a pretty disastrous Malaysian Open at around the same time.

I think you mean the KL Open. ;)

Malaysian Open starts at the end of August 2010. :rolleyes:

that Caesar guy
01-05-2010, 12:25 PM
Woman's team is more or less clear cut as well.
1. Arianne
2. Irina
3. Giang
4. Biljana
5. Emma
6. Sarah
7. Vaness

It is unfortunate that Laura Moylan and Alex Jule did not apply. They could make the team stronger.

Note that Biljana has had a very good performance recently. She finished the North Sydney Chess Club Champonship on 6/11 with a FIDE performance rating of 2150.
Especially on that note, Alex Jule had a sensational SIO, finishing on 4/9 against a quality field, including wins against Moulthun Ly, Hilton Bennett and Helen Milligan, and draws against Erik Teichmann and Sohel Chowdhury.

Santa
07-06-2010, 11:46 AM
Wow :D Terry Tao = Maths God. I think Trevor got a bronze in IMO at one stage and so did Nigel. Terry got a bronze, silver then gold in consecutive years, then went off to get a fields medal. :) Does Trevor still play chess competitively?


There are three brothers. All three won maths prizes while at high school. I googled Trevor at one time and found he's also a gifted musician.

Trevor came =2 in the Australian Champs at his first try. I think he drew with Gluzman in the last round. He was a junior not qualified by rating to enter, in tennis he'd have been "given a wildcard entry."

lost
27-08-2010, 10:22 PM
I wish to confirm to everyone that I have been granted a press pass at the Olympiad. I will be updating everyone with the news and pictures as well.

lost

Kevin Bonham
05-09-2010, 09:02 PM
As posted by heligan in the NZ @ Olympiad thread, the provisional seedings have been released here:

http://www.chessdom.com/news-2010/chess-olympiad-2010-participants

Australia are seeded 50th in the Open and 51st in the Womens but there are a number of countries seeded at the bottom on a notional rating average of 1400 that are bound to be stronger (especially Georgia and Nigeria) and that are presumably in the bad books for non payment of ratings fees or in Georgia's case not yet announcing their teams.

Hopefully all will go smoothly in organisational terms although the impression from afar has been pretty shambolic to this point.

Oepty
05-09-2010, 10:50 PM
Belgium is shown as being represent by 5 unrated players which surely is not correct, as well as a Russia 4 team. Some quite interesting and surely wrong board orders including Kyrgyzstan which is shown with GM Leonid Yurtaev on board 5 even though he is their highest rated player. Also interesting is that Dmitry Jakovenko is board 1 for Russia 3 even though he is higher rated than Russia 1's board 5 and all of the Russia 2 team. France have selected the lowest rated of their 5 Vladislav Tkachiev on board 1. There are at least three women in the stupidly named Men's Olympiad, GM Judit Polgar, IM Viktorija Cmilyte and GM Ketevan Grant.
Scott

And ratings.fide.com seems to be down at the moment too.

Kevin Bonham
05-09-2010, 11:34 PM
Some quite interesting and surely wrong board orders including Kyrgyzstan which is shown with GM Leonid Yurtaev on board 5 even though he is their highest rated player.

The established standard is that teams can employ whatever cute and objectively "wrong" board order they like provided that they stay in it. I remember we played one team where the team sponsor was pretty weak but played on board 1 in exchange for his sponsorship, and the board 2 was their strongest player.

Oepty
06-09-2010, 07:06 AM
The established standard is that teams can employ whatever cute and objectively "wrong" board order they like provided that they stay in it. I remember we played one team where the team sponsor was pretty weak but played on board 1 in exchange for his sponsorship, and the board 2 was their strongest player.

Okay Kevin. They shouldn't be able to get away with it, but if they can then they will I guess. Not sure what advantage it gives if any.
Scott

Metro
14-09-2010, 06:02 PM
Okay Kevin. They shouldn't be able to get away with it, but if they can then they will I guess. Not sure what advantage it gives if any.
Scott
Round 1 commences September 21, only 1 week now.35 of the top 37 players over 2700 ELO are playing.While Anand is not ,Carlsen,Kramnik and Topalov are playing.

Garvinator
14-09-2010, 06:28 PM
Round 1 commences September 21, only 1 week now.35 of the top 37 players over 2700 ELO are playing.While Anand is not ,Carlsen,Kramnik and Topalov are playing.Have they built the accommodation yet?

ER
14-09-2010, 07:32 PM
Have they built the accommodation yet?

http://www.ugra-chess.com/sites/default/files/hotel_olympic.jpg
http://www.ugra-chess.com/sites/default/files/hotel_valley.jpg
http://www.ugra-chess.com/sites/default/files/hotel_taray_t.jpg
http://www.ugra-chess.com/sites/default/files/hotel_7_t.jpg

they seem to be catching up, happy? BTW when are you planning to stage an Olympiad in QLD?

peter_parr
16-09-2010, 02:57 PM
Further lengthy regular reports on the Chess Olympiad will be published throughout the Olympiad in Siberia in the Sydney Morning Herald (as in the last 37 years). SMH (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/newsindex.htm)

This is an ideal time for chess to be promoted in the media.
Any other regular extra chess columns?

lost
17-09-2010, 03:34 PM
Further lengthy regular reports on the Chess Olympiad will be published throughout the Olympiad in Siberia in the Sydney Morning Herald (as in the last 37 years). SMH (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/newsindex.htm)

This is an ideal time for chess to be promoted in the media.
Any other regular extra chess columns?

I have been granted a press pass and will submitting heaps of articles all over the place for our Chess Community.

lost

Kevin Bonham
17-09-2010, 04:37 PM
Apparently there's been yet another change to the charter flights (about the fourth such) and this is causing great inconvenience to many delegations, coming so late in the day as it does. See http://www.chessvibes.com/reports/olympiad-charter-flights-changed-again/ although I am still awaiting confirmation of all this.

The pre-organisation of this Olympiad has just not been up to scratch. Most disappointing - hope all goes OK despite this.

Garvinator
17-09-2010, 05:20 PM
I have been wondering if it possible to 'easily' get to Khanty without having to use Fide charter flights? Are there other options?

ER
17-09-2010, 06:57 PM
Are there other options? dive and start swimming toward North? if you catch a good wave you might make it there in time for the first round! Forget the opening ceremony though!

lost
17-09-2010, 11:56 PM
I have been wondering if it possible to 'easily' get to Khanty without having to use Fide charter flights? Are there other options?

Garvin,

You have to fly to Moscow airport and catch a bus/coach to Khanty-Mansiysk. That is the only way in this.

lost

Garvinator
18-09-2010, 02:08 AM
You have to fly to Moscow airport and catch a bus/coach to Khanty-Mansiysk. That is the only way in this.There seem to be options of flying to Ekatrinburg.

ER
18-09-2010, 01:53 PM
There seem to be options of flying to Ekatrinburg.

You can also ask Axiom, he 's like a fish in the water in matters Siberian! BTW Any chance to have Ax as a special commentator for the Olympiad duration?

Kevin Bonham
18-09-2010, 02:42 PM
BTW Any chance to have Ax as a special commentator for the Olympiad duration?

Only if we find out his real name, and even then not in the shoutbox. :lol:

Kevin Bonham
20-09-2010, 12:42 AM
Looks like games are being conducted 3 pm local time which is 7 pm AEST.

Round 1 Tuesday night
Rest day Sunday after round 5
Second rest day the next Saturday after round 10
Round 11 the next Sunday (3 Oct) starting 11am local time (3 pm ours)

Hopefully there will be live coverage that actually works now and then; I won't be holding my breath based on the problems so far.

Garrett
20-09-2010, 06:25 AM
Hopefully there will be live coverage that actually works now and then; I won't be holding my breath based on the problems so far.

Yes it will be good to have coverage of a major event at a decent time for Australia / NZ !

Tony Dowden
20-09-2010, 09:21 AM
I have been granted a press pass and will submitting heaps of articles all over the place for our Chess Community.

lost

Thanks!

Skulte
20-09-2010, 02:39 PM
Round 1 Tuesday night


What are the best sites to watch the broadcast's? I assume ICC & Play-chess are doing commentary on the top boards. But to watch our Aussie hero's in action, any suggestions?

Jesse Jager
20-09-2010, 02:54 PM
I think Playchess will have coverage of all the boards. I'm not sure if playchess will be doing commentary of the event though.

lost
20-09-2010, 06:04 PM
I think Playchess will have coverage of all the boards. I'm not sure if playchess will be doing commentary of the event though.

I will do coverage and hope to get a link to the aussie boards for you.

Feel free to post something for me to chase up.

lost

Garvinator
20-09-2010, 06:35 PM
I recall from 2008 that all? the games were transmitted from the main site. Not sure if that will be the case this time being in Khanty.

ER
20-09-2010, 07:33 PM
I recall from 2008 that all? the games were transmitted from the main site.

yes, and what an excellent coverage it was!!!



Not sure if that will be the case this time being in Khanty.

Let's hope so!

ER
20-09-2010, 08:33 PM
Some interesting line - ups

RUSSIA



Bo. Name Rtg
1 GM Kramnik Vladimir 2780
2 GM Grischuk Alexander 2760
3 GM Svidler Peter 2731
4 GM Karjakin Sergey 2747
5 GM Malakhov Vladimir 2725

UKRAINE


Bo. Name Rtg
1 GM Ivanchuk Vassily 2754
2 GM Eljanov Pavel 2761
3 GM Ponomariov Ruslan 2749
4 GM Efimenko Zahar 2683
5 GM Moiseenko Alexander 2658

ARMENIA


Bo. Name Rtg
1 GM Aronian Levon 2783
2 GM Akopian Vladimir 2691
3 GM Sargissian Gabriel 2677
4 GM Pashikian Arman 2639
5 GM Grigoryan Avetik 2579

ENGLAND


Bo. Name Rtg
1 GM Adams Michael 2728
2 GM Short Nigel D 2690
3 GM McShane Luke J 2657
4 GM Howell David W L 2616
5 GM Jones Gawain C B 2576

Any surprised in the English team??? :P

Desmond
21-09-2010, 09:29 AM
Not sure if anyone posted this yet but round 1 draw is up.

Men
49 Australia : Bahrain
18 New Zealand : Cuba

122. Bahrain (BRN / RtgAvg:1965)
1 Bukhalaf Ebrahim 0 BRN
2 Al Sulaiti Ali 2134 BRN
3 Bukhalaf Khalil 0 BRN
4 FM Ayyad Maher 2160 BRN
5 FM Ayyad Husain 2165 BRN

21. Cuba (CUB / RtgAvg:2614)
1 Dominguez Perez Leinier 0 CUB
2 GM Bruzon Batista Lazaro 2679 CUB
3 GM Quesada Perez Yuniesky 2614 CUB
4 GM Corrales Jimenez Fidel 2599 CUB
5 GM Hernandez Carmenates Holden 2563 CUB

Women

51 Nigeria : Australia
13 New Zealand : Slovenia

111. Nigeria (NGR / RtgAvg:1400)
1 Olatunji Oluwatobilowa 0
2 Edward-Dappa Rachael 0
3 Akintola Olufunmilayo 0
4 Amadasun Rosemary 0
5 Dzaayem Vivian 0

13. Slovenia (SLO / RtgAvg:2358)
1 IM Muzychuk Anna 2535
2 WGM Krivec Jana 2309
3 WGM Kaps Darja 2300
4 WIM Rozic Vesna 2289
5 WFM Bajt Indira 2204

Garvinator
21-09-2010, 10:14 AM
Looks like all boards will be transmitted from seeing the playing hall photos.

Brian_Jones
21-09-2010, 12:23 PM
PNG v IRAN in Round 1 today.

(Posted from the early morning bar in KM)

Team lists to be registered in the next hour!

ER
21-09-2010, 12:32 PM
NZ looks like having a bit of a hard day at the office, but ... but... but weren't you thinking the same abou them in the Soccer World Cup???? GO KIWIS!!!!!

michaelrichards
21-09-2010, 01:30 PM
As I recall, in a previous year (maybe last time), the games were broadcast brilliantly, one could watch four boards at once, at the official website I think or maybe chessdom.com

michaelrichards
21-09-2010, 01:34 PM
cant wait!
come on Olatunji Oluwatobilowa!

Tony Dowden
21-09-2010, 02:21 PM
NZ looks like having a bit of a hard day at the office, but ... but... but weren't you thinking the same abou them in the Soccer World Cup???? GO KIWIS!!!!!

Yeah, but this event is tad different ;) I think we can safely predict NZ will lose its unbeaten status in the first round.

Tony Dowden
21-09-2010, 02:22 PM
I will do coverage and hope to get a link to the aussie boards for you.

Feel free to post something for me to chase up.

lost

OK, you are on! Please post the NZ results in the NZ Olympiad team thread :cool:

Garvinator
21-09-2010, 06:33 PM
Live games might be shown here: http://www.chessdom.com/chess-olympiad-live Will not really know until after 7pm.

Jesse Jager
21-09-2010, 07:15 PM
What a surprise, the site isn't working :wall:

Kevin Bonham
21-09-2010, 07:27 PM
Is for me but takes repeated load attempts to bring up the page at http://ugra-chess.com/results.php . Took me two attempts for the open and about eight for the women's.

49 Australia (AUS) - 123 Bahrain (BRN)

GM Smerdon David 2526 - Bukhalaf Ebrahim 0
IM Xie George Wendi 2478 - Al Sulaiti Ali 2134
GM Johansen Darryl K 2420 - Bukhalaf Khalil 0
IM Solomon Stephen J 2396 - FM Ayyad Maher 2160

108 Nigeria (NGR) Rtg - 51 Australia (AUS)

Olatunji Oluwatobiloba 0 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2243
Edward-Dappa Rachael 0 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2108
Akintola Olufunmilayo 0 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2104
Amadasun Rosemary 1900 - WFM Guo Emma 1964

I don't know what the Nigerian female players are like in playing strength but their open team is habitually seeded too far down because of failure to pay dues leading to even IM-strength Nigerians being unrated.

Kevin Bonham
21-09-2010, 08:38 PM
Nothing should be read into first round mismatches but Smerdon completely demolished Bahrain's board 1 in 19 moves.

Smerdon - Bukhalaf

1.e4 c6 2.Nf3 d5 3.Nc3 dxe4 4.Nxe4 Nd7 5.Bc4 Ngf6 6.Neg5 e6 7.Qe2 Nb6 8.Ne5 Qd4? [8...Nxc4 is compulsory] 9.Bb3 Bc5 10.c3 Qh4 11.d4 Be7 12.g3 Qh5 13.g4 Qh4 14.h3 Nxg4 15.Qxg4 Bxg5 16.Bxg5 Qxg4 17.Nxg4 0-0? 18.Be7! Re8 19.Nf6+! 1-0

ER
21-09-2010, 10:35 PM
Yeah, but this event is tad different ;) I think we can safely predict NZ will lose its unbeaten status in the first round.

I have faith in them, they are the epitomy of fighting against all odds. My friend's Cretan grand dad was telling me stories of unbelievable heroism (to the point of sheer lunacy) vs the Nazis in WWII.

Garvinator
21-09-2010, 10:38 PM
I have faith in them, they are the epitomy of fighting against all odds. My friend's Cretan grand dad was telling me stories of unbelievable heroism (to the point of sheer lunacy) vs the Nazis in WWII.
Are you aware that eventually Crete was lost to the Nazi's in the end?

Rincewind
21-09-2010, 10:45 PM
Are you aware that eventually Crete was lost to the Nazi's in the end?

Around 10 days all up. But what JaK was told is right. Particularly before the Germans captured any airfields and relying on paratroopers- the local civilian populous were engaging the German paratroopers with whatever they could find at hand.

Kevin Bonham
21-09-2010, 11:55 PM
Open team won 4-0. Smerdon game as above. Darryl eventually won a pawn and ground the opponent into the dust. Solo's opponent blundered in the endgame (haven't yet attempted to evaluate the position otherwise). George won a pawn in the opening and the opponent put up a fair fight for a while but eventually couldn't hang on.

Giang won a pawn and got a dominating position leading to mate. Emma won first a pawn and then a piece due to opponent errors. Biljana's result unknown at this point as a move was entered incorrectly and so the game stopped feeding. Arianne got in severe time trouble after taking a very long time on move 8 but managed to prevail in the endgame, where it seems the opponent missed a draw in the pure pawn ending, here's the finish:

Olatunji - Caoili

1...c4 2.bxc4 Ra2+ 3.Kc3 Rxd2 4.Kxd2 dxc4 5.f3 f5 6.Kc3 Kd5 7.Kb4 h5 8.Kc3 [8.Ka3! with the point that after 8...Kc5 9.Ka4! black must expend the valuable tempo 9...g6 and now 10.Ka3 Kb5 11.Kb2 Kb4 12.Kc2 and 12...c3 13.e4 only draws 13...fxe4 14.fxe4 Kc4 15.e5 Kd5 16.Kxc3 Kxe5 17.Kd3 - compare next note and game] 8...Kc5 9.e4 [9.Kd2 Kb4 10.Kc2 g6 and now if 11.Kb2 c3+ 12.Kc2 Kc4 with the black king one square closer 13.e4 loses because after 13...fxe4 14.fxe4 Kd4 15.e5 Kxe5 16.Kxc3 the white king is too far away] 9...fxe4 10.fxe4 g6 11.e5 Kd5 12.e6 Kxe6 13.Kxc4 Kf5 14.Kd5 Kg4 15.Ke6 Kxg3 16.Ke5 0-1

Leonid Sandler
22-09-2010, 12:20 AM
Australia women's team won 4-0 against Nigeria.

Tomorrow we will be probably play on top boards in different playing area.

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2010, 12:58 AM
Ireland's board 1, Sam Collins, has held Grischuk to a 73-move draw with black.

I cannot see any live updating of results as they come in on the official site, which is disappointing.

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2010, 02:48 AM
Looks like the pairing is done in match-point groups with the teams within the match-point groups ordered by game points.

This creates the strange result in which we just happen to be far enough down the list of 2-4s to draw the top team on 2-3 which happens to be the sixth seeds and defending champions, Armenia. (Armenia conceded two draws against Costa Rica).

1 GM Aronian Levon 2783 ARM
2 GM Akopian Vladimir 2691 ARM ½ 0,5 1 2345 0
3 GM Sargissian Gabriel 2677 ARM 1 1,0 1 2429 0
4 GM Pashikian Arman 2639 ARM ½ 0,5 1 2423 0
5 GM Grigoryan Avetik 2579 ARM 1 1,0 1 2172 0

Will they field Aronian against us or save him for another round? Aronian-Zhao (or if not that Akopian-Zhao) could be board 1.

The women have drawn a fellow 2-4 team, Slovakia (seeded 15th)

1 IM Repkova Eva 2447 SVK 1 1,0 1 1904 0
2 WGM Pokorna Regina 2370 SVK 1 1,0 1 1829 0
3 WGM Kochetkova Julia 2327 SVK 1 1,0 1 2020 0
4 WIM Mrvova Alena 2253 SVK 1 1,0 1 1933 0
5 WFM Machalova Veronika 2229 SVK

We are white on 1 and 3 in this one.

There were no big match upsets in the Open in round 1 though Norway might be a bit embarrassed about conceding 1.5 points to Jamaica.

Carl Gorka
22-09-2010, 04:31 AM
Where is lost and the Palau team?

ER
22-09-2010, 04:44 AM
Where is lost and the Palau team?

I hope everything is OK, because I am worried as well. Actually, I could not find the team in the list here

http://chess-results.com/Tnr36795.aspx?art=33&lan=1

Has Palau been annexed by the Phillipines or Indonesia?? :hmm: :P Only joking Jamie I hope you and the team are OK!

WhiteElephant
22-09-2010, 04:49 AM
I talked to lost yesterday and he had arrived safely and was in good spirits. Not sure what's happened since then.

Good start for the Aussie teams! I'll be telling the kids all about it today at my holiday program.

Carl Gorka
22-09-2010, 04:52 AM
I talked to lost yesterday and he had arrived safely and was in good spirits. Not sure what's happened since then.

Good start for the Aussie teams! I'll be telling the kids all about it today at my holiday program.

Cheers George, good to know Jamie is ok :)

WhiteElephant
22-09-2010, 05:12 AM
Jamie was planning to go out for dinner with Aronian and Arianne last night :) I hope he reports back here with the goss.

ratinahat
22-09-2010, 08:29 AM
Armenia in round 2 for the Aussie men. Keep us busy !:D

MichaelBaron
22-09-2010, 10:02 AM
I have faith in them, they are the epitomy of fighting against all odds. My friend's Cretan grand dad was telling me stories of unbelievable heroism (to the point of sheer lunacy) vs the Nazis in WWII.

Jak similarly to other intellectual activities, chess is a game of mental skill as well as heroism :)

Garvinator
22-09-2010, 10:10 AM
Looks like the pairing is done in match-point groups with the teams within the match-point groups ordered by game points.
From Shaun Press laws blog:


During and after the 2008 Dresden Olympiad, there was plenty of discussion about the pairing system used. The major complaints were Match points over Game points, Acceleration, Top v Bottom, and team ordering. At the FIDE Congress in 2009 a lot of these concerns were addressed by the Technical Administration Panel (TAP), and changes were made for 2010. Here is a summary of those changes.

Firstly, acceleration is out. So the pairings start with 1 v (N/2)+1 etc
However Match points remain for pairing ordering and placing.
The team ordering for pairings has been changed from the Olympiad SB system, to a simpler method. The ranking is now Match points, then game points and finally Team rating (as defined at the start of the tournament).
Pairings will be done in the order of top down to just above middle, then bottom up to just below middle, then middle.
Pairings with a pairing group will revert to top v (N/2)+1, rather than top v bottom. The pairings will also try and have top half v bottom half wherever possible. This is more achievable than under the normal swiss rules, as colurs in teams events is less important, and will not be an overriding criteria.
For colours, not team can have a colour imbalance >2 or >2 colours in a row. However teams that both have a +1 (or -1) colour imbalance already can still play each other. Colour allocation will follow the equalisation, then alternation system.

If you want to see a full description of the system then it is published here in the FIDE handbook.

Watto
22-09-2010, 10:33 AM
I talked to lost yesterday and he had arrived safely and was in good spirits. Not sure what's happened since then.

Perhaps lost is just there with a press pass and the team wasn't successfully registered?? lost, what happened?

Brian_Jones
22-09-2010, 11:49 AM
Perhaps lost is just there with a press pass and the team wasn't successfully registered?? lost, what happened?

They only have two qualified players at present! They cannot play until they get a third player!

peter_parr
22-09-2010, 11:56 AM
A lengthy column appeared in today’s SMH (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/2010.htm).

Next column – Australia plays Olympic champions.

A separate very long obituary on GM Larsen also appeared in today’s Sydney Morning Herald.

Has anyone submitted Olympiad material in other major newspapers around Australia? – Media most important when we play the Olympic gold medalists!!

Garvinator
22-09-2010, 01:45 PM
Damn, pgn will not play through. Do not know what is wrong with it.

Leonid Sandler
22-09-2010, 02:06 PM
Hello from rainy Khanty-Mansiysk.

Our ladies team for todays match against Slovakia

1.Arianne
2.Giang
3.Biljana
4.Emma

We are playing at small tournament hall(top 27 mens matches and 13 womens matches.)

Carl,at the moment Palau team do have only 2 players(the minimal requirement to be allowed to compete -- 3 players).

According to my information the third player from Palau will be appering shortly(hopefully Palau team will join Olympiad from the round 4).

Garvinator
22-09-2010, 02:10 PM
Could this be a contender for game of the year, or at least tactic of the year?

(1) Samhouri,Ahmad Fawzi (2372) - Polgar,Judit (2682) [B51]
39th Olympiad Men Khanty-Mansiysk RUS (1), 21.09.2010

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 d6 4.0-0 Bd7 5.c3 Nf6 6.Re1 a6 7.Ba4 b5 8.Bc2 e5 9.d3 Be7 10.Nbd2 0-0 11.Nf1 Re8 12.d4? cxd4 13.cxd4 Bg4 14.dxe5 Nxe5 15.Ne3 Bh5 16.h3 Rc8 17.g4 Bg6 18.Nd2 Qb6 19.f4 19... Nd5!! A beautiful shot that is winning in all variations.

20.exd5 20...Bxc2 21.Qe2 Nd3 22.Nf3 22...Nxf4 23.Qh2 Nd3 24.Re2 Bd1 0-1

lost
22-09-2010, 02:33 PM
Perhaps lost is just there with a press pass and the team wasn't successfully registered?? lost, what happened?

To all concerned about Palau,

Palau had only arrived with 2 players which is good, but not god enough. The ruling is they need 3 players to play. We have another player on the way here in Khanty-Mansiysk so we should be able to play from Round 4.

As for the press centre internet reception isnt the best and nor the hotel we are staying in either.

I hope to post some pictures soon.

Also I was in press conference with current FIDE president as well.

I will keep everyone updated as frequently as possible.

lost

lost
22-09-2010, 02:35 PM
Jamie was planning to go out for dinner with Aronian and Arianne last night :) I hope he reports back here with the goss.

Not last night, but hopefully during the tournament.

It will be good to catch up with Aronian again.

lost

ER
22-09-2010, 02:42 PM
Jak similarly to other intellectual activities, chess is a game of mental skill as well as heroism :)

wooops, sorry I think you are right, but considering my overall performance (s) this
chess is a game of mental skill does not necessarily apply to me! :owned: :P :lol:

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2010, 05:13 PM
Could this be a contender for game of the year, or at least tactic of the year?

(1) Samhouri,Ahmad Fawzi (2372) - Polgar,Judit (2682) [B51]
39th Olympiad Men Khanty-Mansiysk RUS (1), 21.09.2010

It's a very nice tactic. With one knight en prise she places another en prise and, as the old Tal anecdote goes, "they can only take them one at a time".

Desmond
22-09-2010, 07:04 PM
Armenia in round 2 for the Aussie men. Keep us busy !:D
Match 28. Armenia Australia
Aronian, Levon v Zhao, Zong-Yuan (B)
Akopian, Vladimir v Smerdon, David (W)
Sargissian, Gabriel v Xie, George Wendi (B)
Pashikian, Arman v Solomon, Stephen J (W)

Garvinator
22-09-2010, 08:21 PM
I do not understand the pairings. Shouldn't it be 4 v 4 all the way down till the lowest rated 4 pointer and then they play the highest 3.5er??

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2010, 09:08 PM
I do not understand the pairings. Shouldn't it be 4 v 4 all the way down till the lowest rated 4 pointer and then they play the highest 3.5er??

No. Game points are not a score as such. They are a ranking method for teams in the same score group, ie with the same match point total. At least that's my interpretation of what was posted.

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2010, 09:11 PM
Well at least we won't be 4-0d by Armenia:

Smerdon-Akopian

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5 4.c3 Nc6 5.Nf3 Qb6 6.Bd3 cxd4 7.cxd4 Bd7 8.0-0 Nxd4 9.Nbd2 Bc5 10.Nxd4 Bxd4 11.Nf3 Ne7 12.Nxd4 Qxd4 13.Re1 Nc6 14.Be3 Qxe5 15.Qd2 d4 16.Bh6 Qh5 17.Bxg7 Rg8 18.Bf6 Rxg2+ 19.Kxg2 Qg4+ 20.Kf1 Qh3+ 21.Ke2 Qg4+ 22.Kf1 draw

Smerdon's record of holding top GMs to draws is outstanding.

Garvinator
22-09-2010, 09:17 PM
No. Game points are not a score as such. They are a ranking method for teams in the same score group, ie with the same match point total. At least that's my interpretation of what was posted.
Ok I think I understand what you are saying. Misunderstanding on my part from looking at the pairings for the 2 match points.

All the game points do is seed the teams inside the 2 match point group, with those on 4 game points being seeds 1 to 28 (28 being a made up number), then those on 3.5 game points being seeds 29 and so forth. Pairings are done as per normal swiss draw, with the exception that top half v bottom half is given more priority than normal due to it being a team tournament.

I wonder which way would be better? They way they are pairing the teams in the Olympiad, or the way I thought they were doing it :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2010, 09:38 PM
I wonder which way would be better? They way they are pairing the teams in the Olympiad, or the way I thought they were doing it :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:

I actually don't like either for the early stages. I think early in the tournament, maybe the first 4 rounds, they should rank teams on the same match point total by seeding rather than game points. Then switch to what they are doing.

Ranking scoregroups by game points early in the event is just too random.

Adamski
22-09-2010, 09:48 PM
Well at least we won't be 4-0d by Armenia:
Smerdon's record of holding top GMs to draws is outstanding.
Well done, smurfo! :clap:

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2010, 09:57 PM
Repkova - Caoili

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Bc5 4.d3 Nf6 5.c3 d6 6.Bb3 a6 7.h3 Ba7 8.Nbd2 0-0 9.Nf1 d5 10.Qe2 Re8 11.Ng3 h6 12.0-0 Be6 13.Nh4 Nxe4 14.dxe4 Qxh4 15.exd5 Bxd5 16.Bxd5 Qxg3 17.Qh5 Re7 18.Be4 Rd8? [18...Re6 19.Kh1 g6 20.fxg3 gxh5 21.Bd5 Rae8 22.Bxe6 Rxe6] 19.Kh1 g6 20.Qxh6 Bxf2 21.Bg5 Re6 22.Bxc6 Rxc6 23.Bxd8 Be3 24.Qh4 1-0

Aronian - Zhao

1.Nf3 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.g3 d5 4.Bg2 Be7 5.0-0 0-0 6.d4 dxc4 7.Qc2 a6 8.a4 Bd7 9.Qxc4 Bc6 10.Bf4 a5 11.Nc3 Na6 12.Ne5 Bxg2 13.Kxg2 Nd5 14.Rad1 c6 15.Bc1 Nab4 16.e4 Nb6 17.Qe2 Nd7 18.Nf3 Re8 19.h4 Qb6 20.Ng5 h6 21.Rh1! Bf8 [21...hxg5? 22.hxg5 g6 23.Qf3 and white is winning] 22.e5 f5? [22...hxg5 23.hxg5 g6 24.Qf3 Bg7 25.Ne4 is less clear than the previous but just intuitively it looks like too much][22...Nd5 may be an option] 23.Qh5 Re7 24.Qg6 hxg5 25.hxg5 c5 26.Nb5 Qc6+ 27.f3 cxd4 28.Qh7+ 1-0

mikesguns
22-09-2010, 10:29 PM
Ok I think I understand what you are saying. Misunderstanding on my part from looking at the pairings for the 2 match points.

All the game points do is seed the teams inside the 2 match point group, with those on 4 game points being seeds 1 to 28 (28 being a made up number), then those on 3.5 game points being seeds 29 and so forth. Pairings are done as per normal swiss draw, with the exception that top half v bottom half is given more priority than normal due to it being a team tournament.

I wonder which way would be better? They way they are pairing the teams in the Olympiad, or the way I thought they were doing it :hmm: :hmm: :hmm:
So in the first round when everyone is on zero, is it a random draw, or does average rating of team or country ranking determine the seed of the team.

Adamski
22-09-2010, 10:35 PM
How are PNG going, Brian (or Shaun)?
How are your vote-attracting plans going for the zonal presidency?
What's the internet like at your hotel? Sounds like most place sthe internet reception is none too good.
Good luck!

Garvinator
22-09-2010, 10:49 PM
So in the first round when everyone is on zero, is it a random draw, or does average rating of team or country ranking determine the seed of the team.Average rating of top four members for round one.

Kevin Bonham
22-09-2010, 11:09 PM
PNG are playing Ireland. They are 2-0 down and appear to be losing the other two as well.

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 12:10 AM
Smerdon's quick draw was the only joy we had tonight; Armenia 3.5-0.5 Australia in the Open and Slovakia 4-0 Australia in the Women's.

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 09:47 AM
Open team (2-4.5) play 86th seeds Puerto Rico (2-3.5):

1 CM Machin Rivera Mark 2229 PUR 0 0,0 1 2590 0
2 IM Montalvo Alejandro 2250 PUR 0 1 1,0 2 2308 0
3 CM Vazquez Reyes Raul 2217 PUR ½ 0 0,5 2 2370 0
4 CM Ovalle Burgos Ramon 2201 PUR 0 1 1,0 2 2315 0
5 CM Almedina Ortiz Edgardo J 2197 PUR 1 1,0 1 1200 0

Women's team (2-4) play 35th seeds Peru (2-5.5):

1 WGM Cori T Deysi 2368 PER 1 1 2,0 2 2179 0
2 WIM Morales Mendoza Luciana 2187 PER
3 WFM Chumpitaz Ann 2150 PER 1 0 1,0 2 2026 0
4 WFM Aliaga Fernandez Ingrid Y 2134 PER 1 ½ 1,5 2 1706 0
5 Orbezo Rosales Ximena Lucia 1836 PER 1 0 1,0 2 1637 0

Interesting to note that for a team of our seeding there is a big difference between being 2-4.5 and 2-4 in the draw. This applies to both the Open and the Women's draw.

Garvinator
23-09-2010, 10:05 AM
Round Three:

Open Team: Match 43 v Puerto Rico (We are white board 1)

Puerto Rico


CM Machin Rivera Mark 2229
IM Montalvo Alejandro 2250
CM Vazquez Reyes Raul 2217
CM Ovalle Burgos Ramon 2201
CM Almedina Ortiz Edgardo J 2197

Women's Team: Match 18 v Peru (We are white board 1)


WGM Cori T Deysi 2368
WIM Morales Mendoza Luciana 2187
WFM Chumpitaz Ann 2150
WFM Aliaga Fernandez Ingrid Y 2134
Orbezo Rosales Ximena Lucia 1836

MichaelBaron
23-09-2010, 11:12 AM
Puerto Rico should be easy. The match with Peru however will will be interesting

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 11:25 AM
Puerto Rico should be easy.

Should be but teams in this range can be a bit pesky and we did have an upset loss to a team of similar seeding either last Olympiad or the one before, so shouldn't take this lot too lightly.

Leonid Sandler
23-09-2010, 01:57 PM
Hello from Khanty-Mansiysk

Our ladies team for today's match

1.Arianne
2.Giang
3.Biljana
4.Vaness


Yesterday I have met our FIDE delegate Phil Viner who is enjoying Olympiad.

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 02:28 PM
18.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2243 - WGM Cori T Deysi 2368
18.2 Nguyen Thu Giang 2108 - WIM Morales Mendoza Luciana 2187
18.3 WIM Dekic Biljana N 2104 - WFM Chumpitaz Ann 2150
18.4 WFM Reid Vaness 1839 - WFM Aliaga Fernandez Ingrid Y 2134

Not surprisingly Peru have elected not to field their much lower-rated reserve in this match.

43.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2583 - CM Machin Rivera Mark 2229
43.2 GM Smerdon David 2526 - IM Montalvo Alejandro 2250
43.3 GM Johansen Darryl K 2420 - CM Ovalle Burgos Ramon 2201
43.4 IM Solomon Stephen J 2396 - CM Almedina Ortiz Edgardo J 2197

Capablanca-Fan
23-09-2010, 02:44 PM
18.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2243 - WGM Cori T Deysi 2368
18.2 Nguyen Thu Giang 2108 - WIM Morales Mendoza Luciana 2187
18.3 WIM Dekic Biljana N 2104 - WFM Chumpitaz Ann 2150
18.4 WFM Reid Vaness 1839 - WFM Aliaga Fernandez Ingrid Y 2134

Not surprisingly Peru have elected not to field their much lower-rated reserve in this match.

43.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2583 - CM Machin Rivera Mark 2229
43.2 GM Smerdon David 2526 - IM Montalvo Alejandro 2250
43.3 GM Johansen Darryl K 2420 - CM Ovalle Burgos Ramon 2201
43.4 IM Solomon Stephen J 2396 - CM Almedina Ortiz Edgardo J 2197
I thought Peru was much stronger, e.g. with GM Julio Granda-Zuniga.

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 03:02 PM
I thought Peru was much stronger, e.g. with GM Julio Granda-Zuniga.

That is their open team - this is their women's team.

Skulte
23-09-2010, 03:19 PM
Australia made the chessbase report for the day.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6690

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 04:25 PM
Australia made the chessbase report for the day.

http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=6690

Yes they analyse Aronian's win against Zhao. Unfortunately they only look at 21...hxg5 and not at 22...hxg5 (which I assume also loses but I wasn't able to quickly talk Fritz into agreeing with me).

Round 2 was upset city!


Topalov was actually lost in his game, and pulled out all his resources to miraculously draw, however Kiril Georgiev’s loss in the Wilkes-Barre/Traxler of a Two Knights defense against Ivan Saric was the team’s downfall, and Croatia took it 2.5-1.5.

Chessbase is incorrect here. It was not a Wilkes-Barre. Black (who lost) played 4...d5 and 5...Nd4; the Wilkes-Barre is 4...Bc5.

It seems that the team from Yemen were forced to withdraw from their round 1 match against Israel mid-game for political reasons and furthermore that sanctions may have been imposed against the players by their government for starting the games at all.

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 07:51 PM
Sadly, Vugar Gashimov is not in this Olympiad. He was omitted from the Azerbaijan team by the infamous Azmai for reasons that are really not entirely clear; there is some background on this here:

http://www.chessintranslation.com/2010/09/gashimov-left-out-of-azerbaijan-team-for-olympiad/

In the absence of Gashimov the team suffered an upset loss to Vietnam.

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 11:01 PM
4-0 for Australian men against Puerto Rico. Unfortunately the only point for our Women's team was scored by Giang on forfeit.

Zhao - Machin. The Puerto Rico board 1 deserves respect for this showing with black, he kept getting back into the game but then the tactics got him in time trouble.

1.d4 g6 2.c4 Bg7 3.e4 d6 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.f3 0-0 6.Nge2 c5 7.d5 e6 8.Ng3 exd5 9.cxd5 a6 10.a4 Re8 11.Be2 Nbd7 12.0-0 h5 13.Bg5 Qb6 14.Qd2 Nh7 15.a5 Qc7 16.Be3 h4 17.Nh1 f5 18.Nf2 b5 19.axb6 Qxb6 20.Rfb1 Rb8 21.b4 Qd8 22.bxc5 Rxb1+ 23.Rxb1 Nxc5 24.Bd4 Ng5 25.Bxg7 Kxg7 26.Nd3 fxe4 27.Nxc5 dxc5 28.f4 Nf7 29.Na4 c4 30.Rb6 Kh7 31.Qd4 Nd6 32.Nc3 e3 33.Qc5 Ne4 34.Nxe4 Rxe4 35.Rb8 Qf6 36.Qxc8 Qa1+ 37.Bf1 e2 38.Rb7+ Kh6 39.Qf8+ Kh5 40.Rh7+ Kg4 41.Rxh4+ Kxh4 42.Qh6+ 1-0

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 11:11 PM
Montalvo - Smerdon. Black had too many tricks up his sleeve.

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 c5 3.d5 g6 4.c4 Qb6 5.Bc1 Ne4 6.Nd2 Nxd2 7.Qxd2 Bg7 8.e4 e6 9.Bd3 d6 10.Ne2 exd5 11.exd5 0-0 12.0-0 Nd7 13.f4 f5 14.Rb1 Nf6 15.b3 Nxd5! 16.cxd5 c4+ 17.Kh1 cxd3 18.Qxd3 Bd7 19.Be3 Bb5!? 20.Qd2 Qa6 21.Rfe1 Bxe2 22.Rxe2 Rfe8 23.Rbe1? [23.Ree1 seems fine but instead this more natural move walks into a trick] 23...Re4 24.Bg1 Bc3! 25.Qxc3 Rxe2 26.Rxe2 Qxe2 27.Qc7 Re8 28.Qxb7 Qd2 29.h3 Qxf4 30.Qb5 Re1! Wins crushingly. White gets tied to stopping threats on g1 and can't stop threats on g2 too 31.Qb8+ Kg7 32.Qxa7+ Kh6 33.Qb6 Re2 34.Qd8 Qe4 0-1

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 11:23 PM
Johansen - Ovalle. Black let Darryl's knights get going and then walked into a big bad combo, losing two pawns.

1.c4 Nf6 2.Nf3 g6 3.Nc3 Bg7 4.e4 d6 5.d4 0-0 6.Be2 e5 7.Be3 h6 8.h3 exd4 9.Nxd4 Re8 10.Qc2 Na6 11.0-0 Nc5 12.Bf3 a5 13.Rad1 Bd7 14.Rfe1 Qc8 15.Bf4 Nh7 16.Ndb5 Ng5 17.Bxg5 hxg5 18.Nd5 Na6? [18...Bxb5 19.cxb5 Qd8 is probably not so bad] 19.Nbxc7! and the game is essentially over 19...Nxc7 20.Nb6 Qd8 21.Rxd6 Ba4 22.Qd2 Qe7 23.Nxa4 Qe5 24.Rd1 b5 25.cxb5 Qxb5 26.b3 Rab8 27.Be2 Qe5 28.Bc4 Ne6 29.Bxe6 fxe6 30.Nb6 Bf8 31.Nd7! Qxd6 32.Nf6+ Kf7 33.Qxd6 Bxd6 34.Nxe8 Be5 35.Nd6+ Bxd6 36.Rxd6 a4 37.Rd3 axb3 38.axb3 Ra8 39.Kh2 Ra2 40.Rf3+ Ke7 41.Kg3 Re2? 42.Kg4! 1-0

Kevin Bonham
23-09-2010, 11:32 PM
Almendina - Solomon

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 Nc6 6.Be2 Qb6 7.Be3 Nxd4 8.Bxd4 Qa5 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Bb5+ Bd7 11.Bxd7+ Kxd7 12.0-0 e6 13.Kh1 Be7 14.f4 Rhg8 15.Qf3 Kc7 16.Rad1 Rad8 17.b4 Qxb4 18.Rd4 Qc5 19.Rb1 Kb8 20.Rdb4 Rd7 21.Qh3 Qf2 22.f5 d5 23.R4b3 d4 24.fxe6 fxe6 25.Nb5 Qxc2 26.Nxd4 Rxd4 27.Rxb7+ Ka8 28.Qf3 Rgd8! [An idea I had here was 28...Bb4! which also wins easily] 29.Qf1 Rd1 30.Rb8+ Rxb8 31.Rxd1 Qxe4 32.Qa6 Rg8 33.Qf1 f5 34.Rd7 Bc5 35.h3 f4 36.Rd2 Be3 37.Qd3 Qxd3 38.Rxd3 Rg7 39.g4 e5 40.Kg2 e4 41.Rd8+ Kb7 42.Re8 h5 43.Rxe4 hxg4 44.hxg4 Rxg4+ 45.Kf3 Rg3+ 46.Ke2 Rg2+ 0-1

Garvinator
24-09-2010, 01:59 AM
Round 4

Open:

Match 18 Australia white board one and three v Peru


1 GM Granda Zuniga Julio E 2636
2 GM Cordova Emilio 2539
3 GM Cori Jorge 2496
4 Palacios Efrain 2184
5 FM Pacheco Marco 2392

Women:

Match 42 Australia white board one and three v Pakistan


1 Nida Mishraz Siddiqui 1796
2 Wasif Zenobia 0
3 Begum Ghazala 0
4 Shakir Ayman 0
5 Shakir Sannam 0

Kevin Bonham
24-09-2010, 12:28 PM
It's clear that the draw system really isn't too fussed about alternating team colours!

We (Rogers, Smerdon, Zhao, Wohl) 4-0d Peru in the final round in 2006 which was a sensational result that lifted us way up in the standings after an erratic campaign. They will be out for revenge!

Women's team should not have much trouble with Pakistan. Hopefully a good percentage-boosting result here (clearly game points help a lot in the draw in getting you easier opponents for your match point score in future rounds).

pax
24-09-2010, 01:46 PM
Juha Kivijärvi is again running his excellent Olympiad performance ratings site, using "true" performance ratings (i.e the rating at which actual performance is equal to expected performance):

http://staff.cs.utu.fi/~juhkivij/chess/ol2010/olympiad2010_en.shtml

This is a great way to see who is really performing well. For example, David Smerdon (who drew with Akopian and won his other two games) has a TPR of 2320 on chess-results.com, and 2727 on Juha's site.

Kevin Bonham
24-09-2010, 03:36 PM
Juha Kivijärvi is again running his excellent Olympiad performance ratings site, using "true" performance ratings (i.e the rating at which actual performance is equal to expected performance):

Pleased to hear it - I was looking at my summary of the 2006 results and hoping it would be back.

Kevin Bonham
24-09-2010, 04:06 PM
Solo has the day off today

28.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2583 - GM Granda Zuniga Julio E 2636
28.2 GM Smerdon David 2526 - GM Cordova Emilio 2539
28.3 IM Xie George Wendi 2478 - GM Cori Jorge 2496
28.4 GM Johansen Darryl K 2420 - FM Pacheco Marco 2392

Both teams field their four highest-rated players, though curiously the Peruvian on board 4 is in fact their board 5.

42.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2243 - Nida Mishraz Siddiqui 1796
42.2 Nguyen Thu Giang 2108 - Wasif Zenobia 0
42.3 WFM Guo Emma 1964 - Begum Ghazala 0
42.4 WFM Reid Vaness 1839 - Shakir Ayman 0

Biljana has the day off from the Womens team; good opportunity for Vaness to get on the scoreboard.

michaelrichards
24-09-2010, 04:33 PM
I reckon Russia 2 (and maybe even Russia 3) has a good chance of placing or winning, in that case, the medals go to Russia 1 or something like that apparently

Skulte
24-09-2010, 04:45 PM
Go Aussies!!!!

Brian_Jones
24-09-2010, 06:19 PM
How are PNG going, Brian (or Shaun)?
How are your vote-attracting plans going for the zonal presidency?
What's the internet like at your hotel? Sounds like most place sthe internet reception is none too good.
Good luck!

PNG lost first three matches (Iran, Ireland and Surinam). Hoping for win today v San Marino.

FIDE Congress starts today but Asia Continental Meeting and General Assembly start in a few days time.

Finally have internet in hotel room but trying to fight off cough I brought with me from Malaysia!

Desmond
24-09-2010, 06:36 PM
Solo has the day off today

28.1 GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2583 - GM Granda Zuniga Julio E 2636
28.2 GM Smerdon David 2526 - GM Cordova Emilio 2539
28.3 IM Xie George Wendi 2478 - GM Cori Jorge 2496
28.4 GM Johansen Darryl K 2420 - FM Pacheco Marco 2392

Should be a good match :)

Watto
24-09-2010, 06:57 PM
42.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2243 - Nida Mishraz Siddiqui 1796

I met Nida in Thailand earlier this year - a lovely woman and very likeable so slightly surprisingly my loyalties are a bit mixed. I expect Arianne to win this easily though as I suspect that Nida isn't much stronger than I am [Go Nida! Give her a good game at least!]

Adamski
24-09-2010, 10:01 PM
PNG lost first three matches (Iran, Ireland and Surinam). Hoping for win today v San Marino.

FIDE Congress starts today but Asia Continental Meeting and General Assembly start in a few days time.

Finally have internet in hotel room but trying to fight off cough I brought with me from Malaysia!Thanks for the update, Brian. Get well quickly and hope PNG get some points on the board soon! You'll have to tell us if Karpov wins too! (Though, I am sure that will be widely publicised, but maybe you can get a scoop for Chess Chat!)

Kevin Bonham
24-09-2010, 10:31 PM
Zhao - Granda Zuniga

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 dxc4 4.e3 e6 5.Bxc4 c5 6.0-0 Nc6 7.Nc3 a6 8.Qe2 b5 9.Bb3 Bb7 10.Rd1 Qb6 11.d5 Na5 12.e4 c4 13.Bc2 Bc5 14.Bg5 0-0 15.Bxf6 gxf6 16.e5 f5 17.Ng5 h6 18.Nce4! Bxd5?! 19.Nf6+ Kg7 20.Rxd5 [20.Ngh7 Bb7 (20...Rfd8 21.Nxd5 Rxd5 22.Rxd5 exd5 23.Bxf5 Nc6 24.Nf6±) 21.Nxf8 Bxf8±] 20...exd5 21.Qf3 hxg5 22.Qxf5 Rfd8 23.Qxg5+ Kf8 24.Nh7+ Ke8 25.Nf6+ Kf8 26.Nh7+ Ke8 27.Nf6+ draw

pax
24-09-2010, 11:13 PM
Where are the live games?

Edit: nevermind, found them here:
http://www.ugra-chess.com/results.php

Oepty
24-09-2010, 11:15 PM
http://ugra-chess.com/results.php?ln=en&tmnt=1&rn=4

Leonid Sandler
24-09-2010, 11:18 PM
I have just returned from the tournament hall and happy to report ----Australia-Pakistan 4-0 (women's match).

Unfortunately our men's team were losing 1-2 against Peru with David Smerdon refufed a draw offer and trying to convert a very small advantage.

Leonid Sandler
24-09-2010, 11:22 PM
Unfortunately in our men's match of missed opportunities we lost to Peru 1,5-2,5

pax
24-09-2010, 11:35 PM
I have just returned from the tournament hall and happy to report ----Australia-Pakistan 4-0 (women's match).

Unfortunately our men's team were losing 1-2 against Peru with David Smerdon refufed a draw offer and trying to convert a very small advantage.

The website main page is showing 1-0 for George, but the game shows he lost after a promising looking attack petered out.

Kevin Bonham
24-09-2010, 11:46 PM
Attempt at guided computer analysis of Xie-Cori (gave both computer and operator a headache)

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nc3 Nf6 4.Bg5 Bb4 5.Nge2 dxe4 6.a3 Be7 7.Bxf6 gxf6 8.Nxe4 b6 9.Nf4 Bb7 10.Bb5+ Kf8 11.Nc3 Qd6 12.Qd2 Rg8 13.0-0-0 f5 14.h4 Kg7 15.d5 c6 16.Nh5+ Kh8 17.Bd3 [17.Ne4!? fxe4 18.Qc3+ e5 19.dxc6 Qh6+ 20.Kb1 Bxc6 21.Qxe5+ f6 22.Qxe7 Bxb5 23.Nxf6 Rf8 24.Nxe4 =] 17...cxd5 18.Rhe1 Nc6 Probably not best 19.Bxf5! exf5 [19...Rxg2] 20.Nxd5 Bf8 21.Qc3+ Bg7 22.Ndf6 Qf8 23.Rd7 [23.Nxg7 Qxg7 24.Rd7 Na5 25.Nxg8 Qxc3 26.bxc3 Kxg8=] 23...Rc8! A sneaky trap set by black although he was very short of time with only four minutes on his clock + inc for 17 moves when he played it. 24.Rxb7 [24.Nxg7 Na5 25.Qb4 (25.Rc7 Qxg7 26.Rxc8 Qh6+ 27.Kb1 Rxc8 28.Nh5+!! Kg8 (28...Rxc3 29.Re8+ Qf8 30.Rxf8#) 29.Nf6+ draw) 25...Rxg7 26.Qxf8+ Rxf8 27.b4 Bc6 28.Rd6 Rxg2 29.bxa5=] 24...Na5! Perhaps not the end of the world but George's dramatic response doesn't work; it seems he had to pic another dramatic response and sac the rook instead to try to hold on 25.Qxc8? [25.Rc7?! Rxc7 26.Qxc7 Bxf6 27.Kb1! (27.Nxf6?? Qh6+) 27...Qd8 (27...Bxh4 28.b4!=) 28.Qxf7 Rf8 29.Qe6 Qd4 etc and white is struggling][25.Qe5! Nxb7 26.Qxf5 Bh6+ 27.Kb1 Rg6 28.Nd7 is extremely messy, white seems to recover the exchange and a pawn to reach an ending with three pieces for a pawn 28...Nd6 (28...Qd8 29.Ne5 Nd6 30.Nxg6+ hxg6 31.Qe5+ f6 32.Qxf6+ Qxf6 33.Nxf6) 29.Qe5+ Bg7 30.Nxf8 Bxe5 31.Nxg6+ fxg6 32.Rxe5 Nc4 33.Re7 gxh5 (33...g5) 34.Rxa7] 25...Qxc8 26.Rxf7 Nb3+! 27.Kb1 Nd2+ 28.Ka1 Ne4 29.Nxg8 Bxb2+ 30.Kb1 Kxg8 31.Re7 Bd4 0-1

Watto
25-09-2010, 12:25 AM
I have just returned from the tournament hall and happy to report ----Australia-Pakistan 4-0 (women's match).

:) Good to hear. Good luck in the next round!

Garvinator
25-09-2010, 12:31 AM
Been wondering about this. How come Russia can enter so many teams? It is not unusual in team comps to allow the host to enter a second team ie ASTC, but 5 in the open and 3 in the women??

Oepty
25-09-2010, 12:49 AM
Been wondering about this. How come Russia can enter so many teams? It is not unusual in team comps to allow the host to enter a second team ie ASTC, but 5 in the open and 3 in the women??

Read somewhere that they are allowed 2 plus a third to remove the bye if necessary. How it got to 5 I don't know. Perhaps they entered 3 and then a team pulled out so they entered a 4th to remove the bye again, then another team pulled out so they entered a 5th to remove the bye again.
Scott

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 12:50 AM
I think it's quite common in big teams swisses to allow hosts to enter as many teams as they like, although my main evidence for this view is a George R R Martin short story. :D Probably does no harm except that the increased chance of them playing each other could increase the risk of suss results.

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 12:53 AM
PNG down 3-1 to San Marino but at least they now have two game points, which is two more than the boys from Macau!

Garvinator
25-09-2010, 01:36 AM
KB, can you have a look at the top boards from the Round 4 Open and try and explain the pairings as I just do not understand how the pairings work?

With Match points being used as Criteria 1 and then game points to seed inside the match point score group, I do not understand how USA is not on board two with 6 match points and 10.5 game points.

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 01:45 AM
With Match points being used as Criteria 1 and then game points to seed inside the match point score group, I do not understand how USA is not on board two with 6 match points and 10.5 game points.

My suspicion is simply that the table numbers were juggled for some unknown practical reason as is sometimes done.

It looks like tables 5-7 would have been 2-4 and 2-4 would have been 5-7 in the draw as originally done.

However it hasn't been done in round 5 in the same way.

There is a juggle in round 5 with Bulgaria table 13 when they would otherwise be table 7. France-England is also moved.

Garvinator
25-09-2010, 02:01 AM
Round 5:

Open Match 33: Moldova v Australia


1 GM Bologan Viktor 2690
2 GM Iordachescu Viorel 2632
3 IM Hamitevici Vladimir 2415
4 GM Svetushkin Dmitry 2552
5 GM Sanduleac Vasile 2446

Women Match 35: New Zealand v Australia :owned: :owned: :owned: :owned:


1 WFM Milligan Helen 2033
2 WIM Maroroa Sue 1981
3 WCM Chen Eachen 1966
4 WFM Fairley Natasha 1777
5 WFM Smith Vivian J 1827

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 02:13 AM
That is a truly scummy draw in the Open section. Moldova are only down in the bottom half of the 4 group because they upset Germany and then got crunched by China, then had an unlucky pairing with Israel (who themselves had an upset tie with Indonesia and then an unlucky pairing with France who had also had an upset tie!)

There are 34 teams on 4 of which three are seeded ahead of us and we get drawn against one of those because they have less game points than us as a result of overperforming. :rolleyes:

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 01:10 PM
It's also a scummy draw for Moldova of course.

NZ-Aus will be an interesting match because although we'll outrate NZ on most if not all boards depending on who plays, the gaps will not be vast and they have been doing pretty well so far. We'll have to be careful.

Leonid Sandler
25-09-2010, 03:09 PM
Our team line up for Trans-Tasman clash

1.Arianne
2.Giang
3.Biljana
4.Vaness

At the moment St.Kilda fan Stephen,Darryl and myself are listening Grand Final radio report.


Go St.Kilda!!

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 03:16 PM
33.1 GM Bologan Viktor 2690 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2583
33.2 GM Iordachescu Viorel 2632 - GM Smerdon David 2526
33.3 GM Svetushkin Dmitry 2552 - IM Xie George Wendi 2478
33.4 GM Sanduleac Vasile 2446 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2396

35.1 WFM Milligan Helen 2033 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2243
35.2 WCM Chen Eachen 1966 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2108
35.3 WFM Fairley Natasha 1777 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2104
35.4 WFM Smith Vivian J 1827 - WFM Reid Vaness 1839

MichaelBaron
25-09-2010, 03:24 PM
33.1 GM Bologan Viktor 2690 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2583
33.2 GM Iordachescu Viorel 2632 - GM Smerdon David 2526
33.3 GM Svetushkin Dmitry 2552 - IM Xie George Wendi 2478
33.4 GM Sanduleac Vasile 2446 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2396

35.1 WFM Milligan Helen 2033 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2243
35.2 WCM Chen Eachen 1966 - Nguyen Thu Giang 2108
35.3 WFM Fairley Natasha 1777 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2104
35.4 WFM Smith Vivian J 1827 - WFM Reid Vaness 1839
Darryl appears to be playing only against opponents rated below him :)

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 03:33 PM
Darryl appears to be playing only against opponents rated below him :)

I've noticed that Solo has been fielded against the very strong teams and I wonder if the rationale for this is that he is the only member still looking for GM norms. So early in the tournament when the results probably won't affect our final position anyway, it makes sense to play Solo against GMs in case he beats some and gets a run going. Of course, for all I know there could be some other reason for it, but this makes sense to me.

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 03:52 PM
Smurf may have been lucky to get away with a draw at the end there yesterday, it appears Cordova should have won the endgame but probably had his brain jammed in draw mode given the match situation (or was in time trouble):

Cordova,Emilio (2539) - Smerdon,David (2526) [D05]
39th Olympiad Men Khanty-Mansiysk RUS (4.28), 24.09.2010

1.d4 e6 2.Nf3 c5 3.e3 Nf6 4.Bd3 d5 5.b3 Nc6 6.0-0 Bd6 7.Bb2 0-0 8.Nbd2 Qe7 9.c4 cxd4 10.exd4 b6 11.a3 Bb7 12.b4 dxc4 13.Nxc4 Rfd8 14.Re1 Rac8 15.Qe2 Bf4 16.Rad1 Qc7 17.Nce5 Ne7 18.g3 Bh6 19.h4! Ng6 20.Ng5 Bxg5 21.hxg5 Nxe5 22.dxe5 Nd5 23.Rc1 Qd7 24.Ba6 White seems to be giving up winning chances with this move though in terms of the match outcome a draw was fine for him. 24...Bxa6 25.Qxa6 Rxc1 26.Rxc1 Ne7 27.Qe2 g6 28.b5 Qd5 29.a4 Qb3 30.Qc2 Qf3 31.Qc3 Rd3 32.Qb4 Rd1+ 33.Rxd1 Qxd1+ 34.Kg2 Nd5 35.Qd4 Qb3 36.Bc1 Qc3 37.Qxc3 Nxc3 38.Bb2! Ne4? [38...Nxa4 39.Bd4 and now 39...Nc5 (39...Kf8 40.Kf3 Ke7 41.Ke4 Kd8 42.Kd3 Kc7 43.Kc4 isn't working either) fails because 40.Bxc5 bxc5 and the white king reaches the pawn before the black king can defend it because the white pawns on b5 and e5 make the king's path longer - an unlucky point: 41.Kf3 Kf8 42.Ke4 Ke7 43.Kd3 Kd7 44.Kc4 Kc7 45.Kxc5 which I think is drawn] 39.Bd4! Kf8 40.Kf3 [40.a5! bxa5 (40...Ke7 41.a6! intending Bxb6 wins) 41.Bxa7 Ke8 42.f3! wins] 40...Nd2+ 41.Ke3 Nc4+ 42.Kd3 Na5 43.Bc3 Nb7 44.a5 Nc5+ 45.Kc4 Nd7 46.Bd4 Ke7 47.f4 ½-½

jammo
25-09-2010, 07:41 PM
After 38...Nxa4 39.Bd4 Black has a blockade and can just move his K to B7 and it doesn't matter if he loses the N.

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 07:58 PM
After 38...Nxa4 39.Bd4 Black has a blockade and can just move his K to B7 and it doesn't matter if he loses the N.

OK so Nxa4 was a definite draw for Black then, but alas no more.

Garvinator
25-09-2010, 09:53 PM
Announcement for Federations

CHARTERS

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All Federations which incurred extra charges as a result of changes in the air charter timetables should come to the FIDE Secretariat office in the Congress Center with their receipts, and speak to the FIDE accountant , Ms. Eva Perissiou ,who will arrange repayment by electronic transfer.
http://www.ugra-chess.com/charter_announcement

Kevin Bonham
25-09-2010, 11:17 PM
Bologan - Zhao. I thought the opposing GM's play with Nxf7 and so on was very unconvincing and Zhao played an excellent game to give it what it deserved; in all the chaos Bologan was never close to winning.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 Bc5 5.c3 a6 6.Bb3 Ba7 7.0-0 d6 8.Re1 Ne7 9.d4 Ng6 10.h3 0-0 11.Nbd2 Re8 12.Ng5 Re7 13.Ndf3 Qe8 14.Nxf7?! Rxf7 15.Ng5 Nh8 16.f4 h6 17.Nxf7 Nxf7 18.g4 Be6 19.Bc2 g5 20.fxe5 dxe5 21.Be3 Qe7 22.Kh1 Rd8 23.Qd2 Kg7 24.Qf2 Bxg4!? 25.dxe5 [25.hxg4 Nxg4 26.Qg3 Nxe3 27.Rxe3 exd4 28.Rf3 and white is not too bad] 25...Nxe5 26.Bxa7 Bf3+! 27.Kg1 b6 28.Re3 Bh5 29.Rg3 Ra8 30.Bxb6 cxb6 31.Qxb6 Rd8 32.Qf2 Bg6 33.Re3 Nh5 34.Rd1 Rf8! 35.Qe2 Nf4 36.Qxa6 g4 37.Qd6 Qxd6 38.Rxd6 Nxh3+ 39.Rxh3 Forced 39...gxh3 40.Bd1 Bxe4 41.a4?? Classic move 41 blunder [41.Kh2 Bg2 looks miserable for white anyway] 41...Rf2! 0-1

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2010, 12:15 AM
Our teams have won both matches 2.5-1.5. Terrific win against Moldova given that we were coming off a loss and they are higher seeded than us. Zhao and Xie won and Solo drew.

I think we were pretty lucky to get past New Zealand. Arianne won despite a great fight from Helen after losing a pawn early, and there were three draws, at least two of which we had the worse of.

Garvinator
26-09-2010, 12:49 AM
Free day 26th, so no play at 7pm tonight.

I would assume team pairings will still be done, but board pairings will not be submitted until this time tomorrow night.

Garvinator
26-09-2010, 01:14 AM
Round 6:

Open: Mongolia v Australia


1 Gundavaa Bayarsaikhan 2460
2 FM Battulga Namkhai 2421
3 Erdene Ganzorig 2330
4 IM Batchuluun Tsegmed 2422
5 GM Khatanbaatar Bazar 2392

Women: Australia v France


1 GM Sebag Marie 2499
2 IM Milliet Sophie 2388
3 WIM Guichard Pauline 2293
4 IM Collas Silvia 2320
5 WGM Maisuradze Nino 2273

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2010, 01:48 AM
Mongolia (66) are not that far below us and are doing fairly well; they had a 2-2 draw with Slovenia (29) last round.

France (11) have had upset losses to Latvia (22) and Indonesia (50) so the reason they are down playing us is a simple one - they are having a shocker.

MichaelBaron
26-09-2010, 02:16 AM
I am curious..what the captain and the 2 Palau players are up to....

I know Mongolia is not that ''easy'' but for some reason I am confident we will win!

Oepty
26-09-2010, 09:11 AM
France (11) have had upset losses to Latvia (22) and Indonesia (50) so the reason they are down playing us is a simple one - they are having a shocker.

Yes France is having a shocker as a team, but Pauline Guichard is doing quite well and Marie Sebag is doing okay, it is the other 3 who are having shockers.
Scott

Leonid Sandler
26-09-2010, 11:25 AM
France is doing ok with 3 players (Sebag,Guichard and Maisuradze) performing well and 2 others (Milliet and Collas) not too bad.


The teams line up will be announced tomorrow (today is day off with many players will be recovering from Bermuda party...)

I think that France will looking something like this

1.Sebag
2.Milliet
3.Guichard
4.Maisuradze

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2010, 12:05 PM
TPR data on France:


FRA 1 g Sebag Marie 23 2499 3 4 2476
FRA 2 m Milliet Sophie 26 2388 2 4 2174 214
FRA 3 wm Guichard Pauline 21 2293 4 5 2363
FRA 4 m Collas Silvia 36 2320 1 3 1946
FRA 5 wg Maisuradze Nino 28 2273 3 4 2199

Sebag is performing to expectations, Guichard a little better, Maisuradze not far below and it's Milliet and Collas who are well below so far.

Of course it only takes one bad game to mess these up from such a small sample size, and one good win to get them back on track. George was 200 points below expectation yesterday but after his win yesterday is back to performing to his rating (exactly as it happens!)

Brian_Jones
26-09-2010, 03:47 PM
I am curious..what the captain and the 2 Palau players are up to....

Palau cannot play as they have no third player.

So the captain and the two players are having a holiday!

MichaelBaron
26-09-2010, 04:22 PM
Palau cannot play as they have no third player.

So the captain and the two players are having a holiday!

Well...kind of sad...out of all the places available to go for holidays..to go to a small siberian town. Or well..at least they can ''rub shoulders'' with famous players

Kevin Bonham
26-09-2010, 08:56 PM
Oddly it seems that although teams are paired based on match points and then game points, the official standings use match points, then another tiebreak, then game points. Does anyone know what the other tiebreak is?

Oepty
26-09-2010, 10:05 PM
Been wondering about this. How come Russia can enter so many teams? It is not unusual in team comps to allow the host to enter a second team ie ASTC, but 5 in the open and 3 in the women??

Found this article, http://reports.chessdom.com/news-2010/olympiad/russia-teams-olympiad, which speculates along the lines of what I did although with more specifics. Romania pulling out might be the reason for the 4th team and another team pulling for the 5th team. I wonder whether the situation with Palau lead to the 5th Russia team.
Scott

Oepty
26-09-2010, 10:08 PM
Oddly it seems that although teams are paired based on match points and then game points, the official standings use match points, then another tiebreak, then game points. Does anyone know what the other tiebreak is?

The tiebreaks are explained at the bottom of this article http://www.chessdom.com/news-2010/chess-olympiad-2010/round-4-report

The first tiebreak is Sonneborn-Berger.

Scott

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2010, 02:17 AM
The first tiebreak is Sonneborn-Berger.

Feared as much.

Actually the first tiebreak is a version of Neustadtl, which is incorrectly called "Sonneborn-Berger" since S+B actually criticised the system and had their own (which as it turned out was equally pointless). Whoever's calling it Sonneborn-Berger (presumably FIDE) need to get with the times since it is now widely known that that name is incorrect.

I think it's totally ludicrous that they are using a version of Neustadtl as a first tiebreak in a Swiss given that some teams will aim to play conservatively, win matches and not be too concerned about the margins. Neustadtl is a silly tiebreak anyway because it rewards inconsistency. I don't see why they can't use the Buchholz-style tiebreak higher up.

arosar
27-09-2010, 08:24 AM
'Scuse me youse blokes, but are youse getting any newsletters from the Olympiad? I'm talking about those you get for donating. I got nothin' so far.

Thanks.

AR

Capablanca-Fan
27-09-2010, 09:41 AM
Using match points instead of game points is crass anyway, but to so devalue game points by putting them behind even crasser tie-break systems is just moronic.

Igor_Goldenberg
27-09-2010, 10:17 AM
'Scuse me youse blokes, but are youse getting any newsletters from the Olympiad? I'm talking about those you get for donating. I got nothin' so far.

Thanks.

AR
Got the first one yesterday.

Desmond
27-09-2010, 10:34 AM
Note: Tiebreak criteria

1. the sum of Sonneborn-Berger points, which are calculated as follows: match points of each opponent, excluding the opponent who scored the lowest number of match points, multiplied by the number of game points achieved against this opponent;
2. by the number of the game points scored;
3. by the sum of the match points of all the teams opponents, excluding the lowest one.
(1.) is quite different from Neustadtl.

pax
27-09-2010, 11:05 AM
It's also a scummy draw for Moldova of course.

Apparently ;)

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2010, 11:58 AM
For anyone wondering about team reports and so on I am doing a rearguard job on sending these out as noted on the Olympiad Appeal thread here (http://chesschat.org/showpost.php?p=289626&postcount=17). Still got quite a few glitches to sort out.

Amiel: I shall try again using a different address in your case - if you don't get at least one email today please email me and let me know which address you'd like them sent to.

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2010, 12:05 PM
(1.) is quite different from Neustadtl.

It's basically a variant of Neustadtl with the lowest opponent dropped and game points (instead of match points) scored against each opponent used as a multiplier, whereas straight Neustadtl would probably just use match points x match points.

It's as if they decided to deliberately pick the least applicable standard tiebreak system they could find and make it even sillier. Maybe next Olympiad they should take all the possible tiebreak systems and put them in a hat and draw them out in random order.

An indication of its unfairness can be seen with our Open team, who were seeded 49th and are currently ranked 49th although four members of our team are performing above their ratings and the fifth is performing exactly to his rating.

arosar
27-09-2010, 12:20 PM
I got me newsletters. Thanks. The hotmail addy will do.

Cheers,

AR

peter_parr
27-09-2010, 12:29 PM
For full regular reports on the Chess Olympiad see the chess columns in the SMH last week this week and next week. SMH (http://www.chessdiscountsales.com/news/2010.htm)

Any ACF press releases on the Olympiad??

Any other newspaper regular coverage??

Good to see radio coverage this morning from Adam Spencer on breakfast radio who read the SMH today!!

Leonid Sandler
27-09-2010, 02:23 PM
Our line up for todays match

1.Arianne
2.Giang
3.Emma
4.Vaness

French team (apparently the most photographed women's team in Olympiad) are using the top 4 boards.

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2010, 02:31 PM
28.1 Gundavaa Bayarsaikhan 2460 - GM Zhao Zong-Yuan 2583
28.2 Erdene Ganzorig 2330 - IM Xie George Wendi 2478
28.3 IM Batchuluun Tsegmed 2422 - GM Johansen Darryl K 2420
28.4 GM Khatanbaatar Bazar 2392 - IM Solomon Stephen J 2396

15.1 WIM Caoili Arianne 2243 - GM Sebag Marie 2499
15.2 Nguyen Thu Giang 2108 - IM Milliet Sophie 2388
15.3 WFM Guo Emma 1964 - WIM Guichard Pauline 2293
15.4 WFM Reid Vaness 1839 - IM Collas Silvia 2320

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2010, 05:10 PM
The round 5 winner of the "The man is mad, you're playing a lunatic" prize was Akopian for this sacrificial effort against Alekseev, which eventually resulted in a draw. To my surprise it probably wasn't all that unsound! 33...Qc5+ would have led to an earlier draw.

Alekseev,Evgeny (2691) - Akopian,Vladimir (2691) [B42]
39th Olympiad Men Khanty-Mansiysk RUS (5.1), 25.09.2010

[pgn]1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.Bd3 Nf6 6.0-0 Qc7 7.Qe2 d6 8.c4 g6 9.Nc3 Bg7 10.Nf3 0-0 11.Bf4 Nh5 12.Bd2 Nd7 13.Rac1 b6 14.Bg5 h6 15.Be3 Bb7 16.Qd2 Kh7 17.Rfd1 Rad8 18.Bb1 Ne5 19.Nxe5 dxe5 20.Qc2 f5 21.Qb3 Rd4 22.Ne2 fxe4 23.Nxd4 exd4 24.Bxd4 Nf4 25.Qe3 Nxg2 26.Kxg2 Rf3 27.Qe2 e3 28.Qxf3 Bxf3+ 29.Kxf3 exf2 30.Bxf2 Bxb2 31.Rc2 Qc6+ 32.Ke3 Bf6 33.Bg3 h5 34.Rf2 Qc5+ 35.Kf3 h4 36.Kg2 h3+ 37.Kf1 Qxc4+ 38.Bd3 Qa4 39.Rc1 Bg5 40.Rc7+ Kh6 41.Bc2 Qb5+ 42.Re2 Qd5 43.Be4 Qd4 44.Rf7 Qa1+ 45.Be1 Bh4 46.Rf3 Bxe1 47.Rxe1 Qxa2 48.Rxh3+ Kg7 49.Re2 Qc4 50.Rg3 a5 51.Bd3 Qc1+ 52.Kg2 Qc6+ 53.Kf2 a4 54.h4 a3 55.Bxg6 Kf6 56.h5 Qc5+ 57.Kf1 b5 58.Rge3 Qc4 59.Bb1 Qc1+ 60.Re1 Qc4+ 61.R3e2 b4 62.h6 b3 63.h7 Kg7 64.Rd1 Qh4 65.Rd7+ Kf6 66.Rf2+ Ke5 67.Re2+ Kf6 68.Rf2+ Ke5 69.Re2+ ½-½

Garvinator
27-09-2010, 05:23 PM
Alekseev,Evgeny (2691) - Akopian,Vladimir (2691) [B42]
39th Olympiad Men Khanty-Mansiysk RUS (5.1), 25.09.2010

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 e6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 a6 5.Bd3 Nf6 6.0-0 Qc7 7.Qe2 d6 8.c4 g6 9.Nc3 Bg7 10.Nf3 0-0 11.Bf4 Nh5 12.Bd2 Nd7 13.Rac1 b6 14.Bg5 h6 15.Be3 Bb7 16.Qd2 Kh7 17.Rfd1 Rad8 18.Bb1 Ne5 19.Nxe5 dxe5 20.Qc2 f5 21.Qb3 Rd4 22.Ne2 fxe4 23.Nxd4 exd4 24.Bxd4 Nf4 25.Qe3 Nxg2 26.Kxg2 Rf3 27.Qe2 e3 28.Qxf3 Bxf3+ 29.Kxf3 exf2 30.Bxf2 Bxb2 31.Rc2 Qc6+ 32.Ke3 Bf6 33.Bg3 h5 34.Rf2 Qc5+ 35.Kf3 h4 36.Kg2 h3+ 37.Kf1 Qxc4+ 38.Bd3 Qa4 39.Rc1 Bg5 40.Rc7+ Kh6 41.Bc2 Qb5+ 42.Re2 Qd5 43.Be4 Qd4 44.Rf7 Qa1+ 45.Be1 Bh4 46.Rf3 Bxe1 47.Rxe1 Qxa2 48.Rxh3+ Kg7 49.Re2 Qc4 50.Rg3 a5 51.Bd3 Qc1+ 52.Kg2 Qc6+ 53.Kf2 a4 54.h4 a3 55.Bxg6 Kf6 56.h5 Qc5+ 57.Kf1 b5 58.Rge3 Qc4 59.Bb1 Qc1+ 60.Re1 Qc4+ 61.R3e2 b4 62.h6 b3 63.h7 Kg7 64.Rd1 Qh4 65.Rd7+ Kf6 66.Rf2+ Ke5 67.Re2+ Kf6 68.Rf2+ Ke5 69.Re2+ ½-½

Garvinator
27-09-2010, 06:19 PM
One of Smerdon's games is used in the latest Chessbase article to test viewers tactical ability.

Judit's game does not get a mention though.

Garvinator
27-09-2010, 09:33 PM
It's basically a variant of Neustadtl with the lowest opponent dropped and game points (instead of match points) scored against each opponent used as a multiplier, whereas straight Neustadtl would probably just use match points x match points.

It's as if they decided to deliberately pick the least applicable standard tiebreak system they could find and make it even sillier. Maybe next Olympiad they should take all the possible tiebreak systems and put them in a hat and draw them out in random order.

An indication of its unfairness can be seen with our Open team, who were seeded 49th and are currently ranked 49th although four members of our team are performing above their ratings and the fifth is performing exactly to his rating.I think it does not matter which of any of the manufactured systems are used, with pairings being done by match point, game points, those two should be the first and second tie break criteria.

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2010, 10:12 PM
One of Smerdon's games is used in the latest Chessbase article to test viewers tactical ability.

Judit's game does not get a mention though.

Probably because there is one big tactical moment in it but the tactics would be over the heads of most viewers. One of Smerdon's wins had lots of little tactics in it.

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Xie's win from round 5. I thought George put in a great effort to even get near winning this when his advantage was a very unpromising looking pawn. Even so the opponent probably could have drawn this but lost the plot in time trouble.

Svetushkin,Dmitry (2552) - Xie,George Wendi (2478) [E12]
39th Olympiad Men Khanty-Mansiysk RUS (5.33), 25.09.2010

1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 b6 4.Nc3 Bb4 5.Qc2 Bb7 6.a3 Bxc3+ 7.Qxc3 Ne4 8.Qc2 d6 9.e3 Nd7 10.Be2 Qe7 11.0-0 f5 12.Ne1 0-0 13.f3 Ng5 14.Nd3 e5 15.d5 e4 16.Ne1 exf3 17.Nxf3 Nxf3+ 18.Bxf3 Ne5 19.Be2 c6 20.Qd1 cxd5 21.cxd5 Rac8 22.b4 Nc4 23.Qd4 Qe5 24.Rd1 Qxd4 25.Rxd4 Ne5 26.Bd2 a6 27.h3 Rfe8 28.Rf1 g6 29.e4 fxe4 30.Rxe4 Bxd5 31.Rd4 Bc4 32.Bxc4+ Nxc4 33.Bh6 b5 34.h4 Rcd8 35.Rf6 Ne5 36.Kh2 Nf7 37.Bd2 Kg7 38.Rf1 Rc8 39.Kh3 Rc4 40.Rd3 Kg8 41.Rdf3 Re7 42.R1f2 d5 43.Rf6 Ra7 44.Rb6 d4 45.g4 d3 46.h5 Kg7 47.hxg6 hxg6 48.Rff6 Rc2 49.Rxg6+ Kh7 50.Bh6 Ne5 51.Rge6 Nc4 52.Rb8? [52.Rxa6 should draw] 52...Re2! 53.Rf6 Re1 54.Kg2 d2 55.Bxd2 Re2+ 56.Kg3 Nxd2 57.Rc6 Rf7 0-1

Garvinator
27-09-2010, 10:32 PM
KB,

Do you agree with my tie break comment?

Kevin Bonham
27-09-2010, 10:57 PM
KB,

Do you agree with my tie break comment?

I don't know yet! All I know is that the present one is ridiculous.

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2010, 12:38 AM
We have drawn 2-2 with Mongolia; Zhao won (bizarre game), Darryl and George drew, Solo blundered at the time control (but was struggling anyway).

Fantastic effort by Arianne to hold against GM Sebag despite the usual time trouble and a very difficult position. That saved us from 4-0; we lost the other three (though Emma nearly drew).

Garvinator
28-09-2010, 01:52 AM
Round Seven:

Open: Australia v Finland
Women: Turkey v Australia

Finland:


1 GM Nyback Tomi 2635
2 IM Karttunen Mika 2440
3 IM Agopov Mikael 2419
4 IM Norri Joose 2330
5 Sipila Vilka 2231

Turkey:


1 WIM Yildiz Betul Cemre 2252
2 WIM Ozturk Kubra 2235
3 Kaya Emel 2070
4 Sop Selen 2021
5 Sasmazel Burcu 1909

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2010, 02:12 AM
Finland are seeded 60th and have an extremely similar form guide to us. They also drew 2-2 with Mongolia and lost 1.5-2.5 to Peru! And they also had an upset win over a team seeded substantially above them, in their case the 40th seeds Egypt. They are, however, coming off a 4-0 wipeout by Brazil. It should be a good match.

Turkey are seeded 48th. They did very well to take 1.5 points off Russia 2, and have generally performed to expectations. They will be a tough challenge. Oddly, their board 1 has mostly been doing poorly, with three losses to slightly lower-rated players, but their board 5, when she has played, has done extremely well for them. So it will be interesting to see what their lineup is.

Leonid Sandler
28-09-2010, 02:13 PM
Our team line up

1.Arianne
2.Bilijana
3.Emma
4.Vaness

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2010, 03:02 PM
26.1 GM Smerdon David 2526 - GM Nyback Tomi 2635
26.2 IM Xie George Wendi 2478 - IM Karttunen Mika 2440
26.3 GM Johansen Darryl K 2420 - IM Agopov Mikael 2419
26.4 IM Solomon Stephen J 2396 - Sipila Vilka 2231

24.1 WIM Yildiz Betul Cemre 2252 - WIM Caoili Arianne 2243
24.2 WIM Ozturk Kubra 2235 - WIM Dekic Biljana N 2104
24.3 Kaya Emel 2070 - WFM Guo Emma 1964
24.4 Sasmazel Burcu 1909 - WFM Reid Vaness 1839

Vilka is having a brilliant Olympiad so far with 4.5/5 for a TPR of 2698 - highest difference from rating for any player who does not have a perfect score.

Garvinator
28-09-2010, 07:23 PM
Tough day at the office for David Smerdon.

26.1 GM Smerdon David 2526 - GM Nyback Tomi 2635

1. e4 1-0

Skulte
28-09-2010, 07:50 PM
Tough day at the office for David Smerdon.

26.1 GM Smerdon David 2526 - GM Nyback Tomi 2635

1. e4 1-0

I have tried to analyse and I cant find a clear win. Fritz can't help either. Must be above both our heads.

Garrett
28-09-2010, 08:08 PM
yeah thanks to Garvinator for putting it in the viewer. Hard to visualise otherwise.

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2010, 09:40 PM
David Smerdon's blog at http://www.davidsmerdon.com/ has some great reading on the Olympiad. Among other things he reports:

* He shaved his head in Dubai because it was too hot!

* In Vaness's win against Pakistan, her opponent deliberately played two moves in a row. :eek:

* Smerdon 0-1 Siberian mammoth statue

and lots of local colour and stuff about the non-chess side of the event.

mikesguns
28-09-2010, 10:08 PM
I have tried to analyse and I cant find a clear win. Fritz can't help either. Must be above both our heads.
he might have been forfeited because he didnt make it to his board

ER
28-09-2010, 10:09 PM
he might have been forfeited because he didnt make it to his board

Or he might have heard (or read) that saying "White 1.e4 Black resigns!" ;)

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2010, 10:12 PM
Arianne's great save from last night. White's position in the early middlegame is very unpleasant if not outright lost and it was a great scramble to hold against such a strong opponent playing with not much but the increment for much of it.

Caoili,Arianne (2243) - Sebag,Marie (2499) [D10]
39th Olympiad Women Khanty-Mansiysk RUS (6.15), 27.09.2010

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.cxd5 cxd5 4.Nc3 Nf6 5.Bf4 Nc6 6.e3 a6 7.Bd3 Bg4 8.f3 Bh5 9.Qb3 Ra7 10.g4 Bg6 11.Bxg6 hxg6 12.g5 Na5 13.Qc2 Nh5 14.Be5 e6 15.h4 Nc4 16.Kf2 b5 17.Bh2 Bd6 18.Bxd6 Qxd6 19.Nge2 Rc7 20.Rac1 Qd7 21.Qb1 b4 22.Nd1 0-0 23.b3 Na3 24.Rxc7 Qxc7 25.Qd3 Nb5 26.Nb2 Nc3 27.f4 Ne4+ 28.Kg2 Qd7 29.Nc4 dxc4 30.Qxe4 c3 31.Nc1 Qb5 32.Rd1 Rc8 33.Qc2 Qc6+ 34.Kf2 a5 35.Nd3 Qd5 36.Ne5 Qb5 37.Rc1 Rb8 38.Qd3 Qd5 39.Rd1 a4 40.Qc4 Qe4 41.bxa4 Ra8 42.Qd3 Qf5 43.Qxf5 gxf5 44.Nd3 Rxa4 45.Kf3 Rxa2 46.Nxb4 Rh2 47.Rc1 Rh3+ 48.Kf2 Rh2+ 49.Kf3 Rh3+ 50.Kf2 Rh2+ 51.Kf3 Rh3+ 52.Kf2 ½-½

mikesguns
28-09-2010, 10:26 PM
If anyone is watching George Xie's game 41.Re8 wins instantly for white so Australia will lose that game but hopefully Solo can win, for an overall win for us

EDIT: Karttunen, Mika didnt think so. Still won after 3 moves though

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2010, 10:48 PM
We won the Open match 2.5-1.5 with Solo winning, David winning on forfeit, Darryl drawing and George losing.

We also won the Women's match 2.5-1.5 - Arianne drew, Emma and Vaness won, Biljana lost. Vaness's opponent blundered into mate in 1 in an unfavourable position.

I will post Emma's and Solo's games shortly.

Kevin Bonham
28-09-2010, 11:08 PM
Here is Emma's win. The opponent seemed better (but not outrageously so) before a mistake on move 20. After that, very much one-way traffic.

Kaya (2070) - Guo (1964)

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.d3 Be7 5.0-0 0-0 6.Re1 d6 7.c3 Na5 8.Bb5 a6 9.Ba4 b5 10.Bc2 c5 11.Nbd2 Re8 12.Nf1 Nc6 13.a4 Bd7 14.Ne3 Bf8 15.Bb3 h6 16.Nd5 Nxd5 17.Bxd5 Qf6 18.d4 Rac8 19.axb5 axb5 20.Be3?! [White should play 20.dxc5 dxc5 21.Be3] 20...exd4 21.cxd4 Bg4 22.Bxc6 In this line black was threatening Bxf3 with Nxd4. Had the previous note been followed this threat would not have existed. 22...Rxc6 23.h3 Bh5 24.g4 Bg6 25.e5 dxe5 26.dxe5 Qe7 27.Qd5 Rcc8 28.Bf4? The beginning of the end for white as this just gives black way too much play 28...Red8 29.Qa2 Rd3 30.Be3 Be4! 31.Qa6 Rcd8 32.Nd2 Qxe5 33.Nxe4 Qxe4 34.Bg5 [34.Qxb5 Qf3 35.Qc4 Qxh3 etc is miserable] 34...Qd5! 35.Bxd8 [35.Be3 c4 is utterly lost] 35...Rxh3! 36.Kf1 Qd3+ 37.Kg1 Qf3 [Official board viewer at one stage incorrectly switched to showing 37...Qxd8 as the move made but I'm sure the original was correct.] 0-1

Kevin Bonham
29-09-2010, 12:33 AM
As noted above Sipila was having an excellent Olympiad, but all this counts for nothing when you play an insipid variation and end up in an inferior endgame against Solomon.

1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Bd3 dxe4 4.Bxe4 Nf6 5.Bf3 c5 6.Ne2 Nc6 7.Be3 e5! 8.Bxc6+ bxc6 9.dxe5 Qxd1+ 10.Kxd1 Ng4 11.Nd2 Ba6 12.Nf3 Be7 13.Nc3 0-0-0+ It's always fun to do that! 14.Kc1 Nxe3 15.fxe3 g5 16.Nd2 h5 17.Nde4 Rh6 Return of the roaming rook. Although a pawn down black is already better. 18.Ng3 Re6 19.Rd1 Rxe5 20.e4 g4 21.Rxd8+ Kxd8 22.Kd2 Bg5+ 23.Ke1 Kc7 24.Nxh5 Bh4+ 25.Ng3 f5 26.Kd2 f4 27.Nf5 Bg5 28.h4? gxh3 29.gxh3 Rxf5! [29...f3+! is the more forcing move order 30.Ke1 Rxf5 31.exf5 Bh4+ 32.Kd2 f2 33.Ne4 f1Q 34.Rxf1 Bxf1] 30.h4 [30.exf5 f3+ transposes to note above] 30...Re5 31.hxg5 Rxg5 32.Na4 [32.Rh1 may have some saving chances] 32...Bb5 33.c4! Rg2+ 34.Kd3 Rg3+ 35.Ke2 Re3+ 36.Kd2 Bxa4 37.b3 Rxe4 38.Rh1 Kb6 39.Rh4 Rd4+ 40.Kc3 f3 41.Rh2 Re4 42.Rf2 Re3+! 43.Kd2 Re2+ Liquidating to a trivial win 44.Rxe2 fxe2 45.Kxe2 Bxb3 46.axb3 Ka5 47.Kd2 Kb4 48.Kc2 Ka3 49.Kc3 a5! [Though even 49...Ka2 wins as 50.b4 a6 (even 50...cxb4+ 51.Kxb4 Kb2 52.Kc5 Kc3 53.Kxc6 Kxc4 is good enough) 51.bxc5 a5 is won] 50.Kc2 Ka2 51.Kc3 Kb1! 52.b4 axb4+ 53.Kb3 Kc1 54.Ka2 Kc2 55.Ka1 Kc3 56.Ka2 Kxc4 and I don't think we really need to see the rest! 0-1