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Brian_Jones
16-12-2009, 12:16 PM
Without wishing to divert, and happy to have a thread split, a note to all would-be web masters - do not pay to be registered with search engines. It is an unnecessary furfie and waste of money that is now a bygone requisite.

I bet you say that to all the (potential) competitors! :hand:

Basil
16-12-2009, 12:22 PM
I bet you say that to all the (potential) competitors! :hand:
Not at all. I hope you haven't been paying for something you don't need. Google has an all but monopoly. The top 3 or 5 search engines will find any site with half decent tags and key words, and list it, very quickly. I have far more to say to support my professional opinion but I'd rather you just trust me. I have neither the time nor the inclination. In the absence of trust, pay away!

Spiny Norman
16-12-2009, 04:11 PM
^ above url doesn't work on account of the bracket attached to the link
Fixed now ... thanks!

Davidflude
16-12-2009, 04:51 PM
Not at all. I hope you haven't been paying for something you don't need. Google has an all but monopoly. The top 3 or 5 search engines will find any site with half decent tags and key words, and list them, very quickly. I have far more to say to support my professional opinion but I'd rather you just trust me. I have neither the time nor the inclination. In the absence of trust, pay away!

I have not and now I will not until after I have set up lots of aprropriate tags and key words.

That was really useful advice gunnar.

Brian_Jones
17-12-2009, 08:18 AM
Not at all. I hope you haven't been paying for something you don't need. Google has an all but monopoly. The top 3 or 5 search engines will find any site with half decent tags and key words, and list it, very quickly. I have far more to say to support my professional opinion but I'd rather you just trust me. I have neither the time nor the inclination. In the absence of trust, pay away!

Another of your arrogant comments Gunnar. :evil:

Personally I agree with you but I know of lots of companies that employ search engine specialists successfully! They want to come up at number one not just anywhere on the first page!

Were you born without humility or did you just lose it earlier in life? :)

Basil
17-12-2009, 08:27 AM
Another of your arrogant comments Gunnar. :evil:
I do seem to have that effect on people :D However I simply claim having a monster clue as a defence. My commentary is entirely accurate. I'm aware that does come across arrogant to some of the lesser lights. Oh, have I just done it again? :D You can call me Britney.


Personally I agree with you ...
Good man. That gets you out of the firing line!


... but I know of lots of companies that employ search engine specialists successfully! They want to come up at number one not just anywhere on the first page!
This is SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) and more recently SMO as well as other activity. Nothing to do with paying to be listed with search engines as offered as a blanket servive by many ISPs. This is entirely different again to paying to 'own' key words with search engines. Two distinct functions.
1. Hey list me with 100 search engines.
This is what David was talking about. A service from an ISP for say $20. Meaningless and futile as described earlier.
2. Hey Google, let me rank #1 for the key phrase "chess community".
This is a deal with Google. Has nothing to do with the ISP. Not what David was talking about.


Were you born without humility or did you just lose it earlier in life? :)
You know it's amazing how many people ask me that! I'm guessing the former. My parents aren't sure.

MichaelBaron
17-12-2009, 09:01 AM
This is SEO (Search Engine Optimisation) and more recently SMO as well as other activity. Nothing to do with paying to be listed with search engines as offered as a blanket servive by many ISPs. This is entirely different again to paying to 'own' key words with search engines. Two distinct functions.
1. Hey list me with 100 search engines.
This is what David was talking about. A service from an ISP for say $20. Meaningless and futile as described earlier.
2. Hey Google, let me rank #1 for the key phrase "chess community".
This is a deal with Google. Has nothing to do with the ISP. Not what David was talking about.


You know it's amazing how many people ask me that! I'm guessing the former. My parents aren't sure.

Just to clarify a couple of points

1) In order to list a website with top 100 search engines. - No need to contact ISP. It can be done by the site owner through the use of search engine submission software. www.downloads.com has plenty of free software applications that could be used for search engine submission purposes.

2) First 2 search findings that always come up in google search are ''paid listings''. From the search result 3 onwards - search results come up in accordance with the key word matching rankings. Therefore, SEO is the key to be found online more frequently

Basil
17-12-2009, 09:14 AM
Just to clarify a couple of points

1) In order to list a website with top 100 search engines. - No need to contact ISP. It can be done by the site owner through the use of search engine submission software. www.downloads.com has plenty of free software applications that could be used for search engine submission purposes.
If you feel this was worth clarifying, fine. The point is that it's a futile exercise, whether it's done handyman style or with one's ISP when they offer it as a service for a small fee (or even free).


2) First 2 search findings that always come up in google search are ''paid listings''. From the search result 3 onwards - search results come up in accordance with the key word matching rankings. Therefore, SEO is the key to be found online more frequently
Again, if you feel this is worth clarifying in the context of the discussion of chess clubs.

So to clarify for would-be webmasters

There is absolutely no need for chess clubs to consider paying for anything. With Google. With ISPs. With self-helpers. None! Do not pay anyone or anything for any listing service! This is how pointies bamboozle volunteers.

Example. Type Brisbane Chess Club into search engine. A reasonable first timer's search. Hits number #1. Reason. Search engines find it easily. Not competing with 50 other Brisbane chess clubs. The tags, key words and even the body text do all the work. Search engines want to find the sites or else they lose market share to other search engines.

Enough! No more dribblings and hijackings of a thread where my comment to David was an aside. Pointies begone!

Desmond
17-12-2009, 09:15 AM
Just to clarify a couple of points

1) In order to list a website with top 100 search engines. - No need to contact ISP. It can be done by the site owner through the use of search engine submission software. www.downloads.com has plenty of free software applications that could be used for search engine submission purposes.

2) First 2 search findings that always come up in google search are ''paid listings''. From the search result 3 onwards - search results come up in accordance with the key word matching rankings. Therefore, SEO is the key to be found online more frequently
I think you'll find it's download (singular) .com

Spiny Norman
17-12-2009, 07:08 PM
2) First 2 search findings that always come up in google search are ''paid listings''. From the search result 3 onwards - search results come up in accordance with the key word matching rankings.
I am not sure that this is correct. Go to Google and search on "chess croydon" and the first result is www.croydonchess.com ... and we didn't pay anything for that.

MichaelBaron
18-12-2009, 12:03 AM
I am not sure that this is correct. Go to Google and search on "chess croydon" and the first result is www.croydonchess.com ... and we didn't pay anything for that.

but there must be 2 lines at the top of the search findings listings (just below the search bar) that are called ''advertisements by google)

CameronD
18-12-2009, 12:10 AM
I am not sure that this is correct. Go to Google and search on "chess croydon" and the first result is www.croydonchess.com ... and we didn't pay anything for that.

On my version of google. Croydon chess is the first hit and there are no sponsored sites listed at all.

Sponsored sites are of to the right hand side normally and not listed first.

Spiny Norman
18-12-2009, 04:18 AM
On my version of google. Croydon chess is the first hit and there are no sponsored sites listed at all.
Sponsored sites are of to the right hand side normally and not listed first.
Yes, that's what I see too Cameron ...

MichaelBaron
18-12-2009, 09:22 AM
Okie, I see...must be that no relevant sponsored links could be found. Also very good SEO by Snail King :clap: .

Try entering ''chess in melbourne'' into Google search box. a link to Chess Kids will show at the top of the page and its a sponsored link. Whenever available - sponsored links are given priority by Google'

Desmond
18-12-2009, 09:40 AM
I am not sure that this is correct. Go to Google and search on "chess croydon" and the first result is www.croydonchess.com ... and we didn't pay anything for that.Not surprising given that the two words are the name of the club, but try googling an adjacent suburb. For example, "kilsyth chess" and Croydon club is much further down the list, but still on the first page so it's not too bad.

Spiny Norman
18-12-2009, 04:40 PM
Yeah, if you look at our home page, right down the bottom I inserted the following text directly into the page:


Croydon Chess services the following areas:
Bayswater, Blackburn, Boronia, Box Hill, Chirnside Park, Croydon, Doncaster, Donvale, Ferntree Gully, Forest Hill, Glen Waverley, Healesville, Heathmont, Heatherdale, Kilsyth, Knox, Lilydale, Mitcham, Monbulk, Montrose, Mooroolbark, Mount Dandenong, Mount Evelyn, Mount Waverley, Narre Warren, Nunawading, Park Orchards, Ringwood, Rowville, Scoresby, Seville, Silvan, Templestowe, Vermont, Wandin, Wantirna, Warburton, Warrandyte, Wheelers Hill, Wonga Park, Woori Yallock, Yarra Glen, Yarra Valley (covering council areas of Knox, Manningham, Maroondah, Whitehorse and Yarra Ranges).
That made a huge difference to the Google (and other engine) results. We usually end up on either the 1st or 2nd page or results when searching melbourne's eastern suburbs for "chess" and the name of the suburb.

Garvinator
18-12-2009, 05:45 PM
Gunner achieves chesschat immortality, he now has a thread that is named on his behalf with a quote ;)

Santa
04-01-2010, 03:03 AM
I think you'll find it's download (singular) .com

I don't. Did you check, Boris?

Santa
04-01-2010, 03:05 AM
I am not sure that this is correct. Go to Google and search on "chess croydon" and the first result is www.croydonchess.com ... and we didn't pay anything for that.

Depends on whether someone's bought the words, and where in the world you are - there's less point in showing you ads for places in New York than in Melbourne.

Desmond
05-01-2010, 12:10 PM
I don't. Did you check, Boris?
Not at the time but I have now. It redirects you. :rolleyes: