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Capablanca-Fan
08-09-2009, 01:24 PM
Speaking of political correctness, Controversial U.K. Mayor Cuts Gay Pride Funding, Pledges End to Political Correctness in Government (http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2009/sep/09090203.html). Let's hope this is the beginning of the end of the crippling PC rubbish in Britain, fomented by Labour and appeased by the current Labour-Lite tories.

Kevin Bonham
08-09-2009, 02:27 PM
I moved this post to a new thread as it is a largely distinct issue and a very interesting electoral development. It is probably easiest for this sort of anti-PC cost-cutting style campaign to take root at local council level, where candidates are not subject to quite the same level of personal scrutiny as at higher level.

Davies' mandate is questionable. The electoral system he was elected in is very dodgy. It goes like this: electors vote 1 and can vote 2. All the candidates who finish below second on the #1s are eliminated. Then any #2s for the remaining candidates are added to their tallies.

An independent got 22.9%, Davies got 22.6%, Labour got 22.1%, the Tories 16.3% and the BNP 10.9% (there were a couple of minor candidates). With everyone below second eliminated Davies got slightly more preferences than the Independent and squeaked over the line with 50.4% of the two-candidate vote. However, more than 60% of the voters who voted for an eliminated candidate either didn't express a preference, or else gave their #2 to a candidate who also got eliminated, and therefore had their second preference binned.

In an election where nobody knows who is going to finish 1 and 2 on primaries, this is a dreadfully confusing system for voters (especially Brit voters unused to preferential voting). For instance, if Labour voters did not expect the independent to make the final two, some may have voted 2 for the Tories to try to keep out either the BNP or Davies - however this would have backfired as the Tories did not actually make the final two. Or they may have voted 2 for likeminded minor candidates thus wasting their vote. The BNPers and the hardline Tories probably gave more #2s to Davies since they would have seen him as the next best candidate and would have seen no reason to vote tactically for anyone else. Minor candidate supporters may have given their #2s to Labour, never dreaming that Labour (the incumbents) would actually finish third.

Maybe he would have won anyway under a full preferential system; maybe not. But in any case it would have been extremely close. A landslide win for such a candidate would be far more of a threat in terms of similar candidates springing up and winning all over the place.

What will be interesting is when he runs for re-election.

There is a much longer article about Davies here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1209841/ROBERT-HARDMAN-The-PC-supermayor-slashed-public-spending-axed-pointless-jobs-banned-word-diversity.html). I agree with him about one thing (and probably not many more) - the idea that a place the size of Doncaster needs 63 councillors is a joke.

Capablanca-Fan
08-09-2009, 02:51 PM
Thanx for the information (and good thread move). Certainly looks like the UK should move towards full-fledged preferential system rather than that half-measure. From that article, it was quite a feat for someone more conservative than the Conservatives to win in a Labour heartland. According to your article:


He certainly has his work cut out, but he is already making waves. A random street survey suggests he has the support of around a third of the town, while a further third are in the 'wait and see' camp and the remaining third have no idea what I am talking about. No one, though, is anti-Davies.

But he does seem right about British people being sick of political correctness, and that there is little use for the Labor-Lite Tories. Peter Hitchens has written at length on the pathetic echo rather than choice that the Cameron Conservatives are (http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/dispatches/cameron+toff+at+the+top/328047). NB, Hitchens has also strongly urged people to reject the racist BNP (http://hitchensblog.mailonsunday.co.uk/2009/05/bnps-soft-sell-masks-the-poison.html). The UKIP might be a different matter, and seems more like what Davies thinks, since both want to pull out of the European Union and its bureaucratic tentacles, but Davies has already tried that and rejected it.

Also, good on Mayor Davies for scrapping excessive council pay, starting with his own, "twin city" junkets.