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peteryang
06-09-2009, 08:43 PM
dont see a thread for this and it starts today so..

who will win this double round robin tournament....

Tan the Bdx Man
06-09-2009, 08:45 PM
Ah yes good work 2 votes keep them coming!

Miranda
06-09-2009, 09:29 PM
I'm voting for Karjakin, as he's a junior (well, 19 anyway) and he won Corus A group in Feburary, and I think he can do it again, even though I assume he hasn't been concentrating on chess for a while since he recently got married.

ER
06-09-2009, 11:00 PM
I'm voting for Karjakin, (...) even though I assume he hasn't been concentrating on chess for a while since he recently got married.

Yep and congratulations! :) :clap:
http://players.chessdom.com/sergey-karjakin/karjakin-dolzhikova

Desmond
07-09-2009, 04:40 PM
Yep and congratulations! :) :clap:
http://players.chessdom.com/sergey-karjakin/karjakin-dolzhikova
Geez they are starting young; 19 and 20.

Kevin Bonham
07-09-2009, 04:51 PM
Event is underway now so poll closes in a few hours.

Grischuk defeated Aronian in round 1:

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bh4 dxc4 7.e4 g5 8.Bg3 b5 9.Ne5 Bb7 10.h4 g4 11.Be2 Nbd7 12.Bxg4 Rg8 13.Nxd7 Qxd7 14.Bf3 O-O-O 15.Qd2 Rxg3 16.fxg3 e5 17.O-O-O Qxd4 18.g4 Nd7 19.Qxd4 exd4 20.Rxd4 Bg7 21.Rdd1 Rg8 22.g5 Ne5 23.gxh6 Bxh6+ 24.Kb1 b4 25.Ne2 c5 26.Rd6 Bg7 27.Rhd1 Kc7 28.Nf4 Rh8 29.h5 Bc6 30.R6d2 Bh6 31.Nd5+ Kb8 32.Rf2 Ba4 33.Rdf1 Nd3 34.Re2 Ne5 35.Rh1 a5 36.Rf2 Bd7 37.Be2 Be6 38.Nf4 Bc8 39.Rd1 Bb7 40.Nd5 Re8 41.Rf6 Re6 42.Rdf1 Bg7 43.R6f5 Nd3 44.Rxf7 Bd4 45.Rd7 Re8 46.Rff7 Bc6 47.Rde7 Rd8 48.b3 Ne5 49.Rf5 cxb3 50.Rfxe5 bxa2+ 51.Kxa2 Rf8 52.R5e6 1-0

ER
07-09-2009, 10:37 PM
Geez they are starting young; 19 and 20.
Well if other things don't work out, they can still play chess! :P

Tan the Bdx Man
08-09-2009, 05:36 PM
Looking good for Grischuk with 6/6 for first 2 games

peteryang
08-09-2009, 06:14 PM
lol this new scoring system plus the small number of rounds....

grischuk 6
aronian 4
karjakin 1
shirov 1

theres already a 5 point gap and its only round 2!!!

aransandraseg
08-09-2009, 06:35 PM
I dont understand this scoring system. Anyway, how the hell is Aronian beating Karajkin. Grischuk is no 1 in my opinion. I have a book published by his coach. It has a picture of his coach and him when he was really young. Karajkin was really young when he became a gm. he became an IM at 11 and a gm at 12. (according to Wikipedia, which I trust as a very, very reliable source ;) )
Anyway he is like 18 and he is younger so he is better.:D
Levion Aronian is better than Shirov. I mean Shirov is good on world standard, but Aronian, Grischuk and Karajkin a just a different class. :uhoh: :whistle: :hmm: :clap: :owned: :lol: :rolleyes:

Kevin Bonham
08-09-2009, 07:14 PM
Not that long ago Shirov was well ahead of Grischuk and Karjakin on the Live Top List. Anyway, there's not more than 50 points of playing strength between the four of them so they're all close to the same standard, though Aronian has been more consistently top-10 than the others lately.

Garvinator
08-09-2009, 07:15 PM
I dont understand this scoring system.
3 points for a win, 1 point for a draw, 0 points for a loss. Exactly like soccer.

Tan the Bdx Man
10-09-2009, 08:52 AM
This scoring system is much more effective than the chess scoring system as here the people who really try hard to win are singled out and tournaments arent won by people who get 8 draws and 1 win just because they have that extra half point. Also much more convenient to say a whole number rather than a number and a half.

peteryang
10-09-2009, 06:20 PM
hmm but it is kinda unnatural...takes a bit of getting used to.

peteryang
11-09-2009, 08:22 AM
go aronian!

scores now

aronian 9
grischuk 6
karjakin 5
shirov 3
lol aronian is nearly uncatchable with 2 rounds to go now....

Desmond
11-09-2009, 09:10 AM
This scoring system is much more effective than the chess scoring system as here the people who really try hard to win are singled out and tournaments arent won by people who get 8 draws and 1 win just because they have that extra half point. But who is to say that getting those draws is so easy? Often draws are fought out harder than decisive results. If you can draw consistently with super-GMs I'd be glad if you could teach me how.


Also much more convenient to say a whole number rather than a number and a half.If that were the objective you could make it 2,1,0 or 100,50,0 for example.

Miranda
11-09-2009, 10:48 AM
I don't like the new scoring system - I think that two hard fought draws is at least equal to one hard fought game! In fact, from my experience in most cases it is much harder to hold a draw than it is to win a game.

aransandraseg
11-09-2009, 11:31 AM
When I first started playing chess I thought a system like this would work etter. Now it is too hard to get used to this system. Will it be used in Australia?

Miranda
11-09-2009, 12:01 PM
When I first started playing chess I thought a system like this would work etter. Now it is too hard to get used to this system. Will it be used in Australia?
I doubt it'll be used for a while.. at least no major tournaments so far have announced they'll use this system.

ER
11-09-2009, 02:17 PM
... in most cases it is much harder to hold a draw than it is to win a game.
Judging from your results you are doing quite well then! :P Maybe if you don't try so hard, your draws will be converted into wins!:owned:

Kevin Bonham
11-09-2009, 10:14 PM
Aronian has won three games in a row since losing in the first round and now takes over the lead after beating Grischuk in a wild game after a big novelty on move 10.

1.d4 d5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.c4 c6 4.e3 a6 5.Nc3 b5 6.c5 Nbd7 7.a3 a5 8.Bd3 e5 9.dxe5 Ng4 10.Bxb5 cxb5 11.Qxd5 Rb8 12.h3 b4 13.axb4 axb4 14.Ne4 Nxc5 15.Qxd8+ Kxd8 16.Nxc5 Nxf2 17.Kxf2 Bxc5 18.Bd2 Kc7 19.Rhc1 Kb6 20.Nd4 Rd8 21.Rc2 Rd5 22.Rac1 Be6 23.Nb3 Rbd8 24.Ke2 Bf8 25.Nd4 Bc5 26.Nxe6 fxe6 27.e4 Rxe5 28.Rc4 Rd4 29.Rxd4 Bxd4 30.b3 Rc5 31.Rf1 Kb5 32.Rf7 Bc3 33.Be3 Rc6 34.Rb7+ Ka6 35.Rb8 Ka5 36.Bg5 h6 37.Be7 e5 38.g4 Re6 39.Bf8 g5 40.Rd8 Rf6 41.Rd5+ Kb6 42.Rd6+ 1-0

peteryang
12-09-2009, 08:44 AM
make that four in a row...since his loss in round 1

aronian is now uncatchable and wins Bilbao Grand Slam

Aronian 12
Grischuk 7
Karjakin 6
Shirov 3

a disappointing tournament for shirov...an excellent one for aronian which may put him 2nd on the live ratings list with another win.

aransandraseg
12-09-2009, 03:22 PM
Aronion is a solid player but second is really high. Maybe he's a tad over rated now.

Tan the Bdx Man
12-09-2009, 10:38 PM
Well its all over: Aronian 12 Grischuk 7 Karjakin 6 Shirov 2 with 1 round to go

Kevin Bonham
12-09-2009, 10:47 PM
Grischuk successfully defended KR vs KRB against Karjakin:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Bb7 10.d4 Re8 11.Nbd2 Bf8 12.a4 h6 13.Bc2 exd4 14.cxd4 Nb4 15.Bb1 c5 16.d5 Nd7 17.Ra3 c4 18.axb5 axb5 19.Nd4 Rxa3 20.bxa3 Nd3 21.Bxd3 cxd3 22.Bb2 Qa5 23.Nf5 g6 24.Ne3 Ne5 25.Nb3 Qa4 26.Bxe5 Rxe5 27.Ng4 Re7 28.Nf6+ Kh8 29.Qxd3 Bg7 30.Qf3 Qxa3 31.Re2 Qa8 32.Rc2 Qd8 33.Qf4 Re5 34.Ng4 Re7 35.Nxh6 Qf8 36.Ng4 f5 37.exf5 Qxf5 38.Qxf5 Re1+ 39.Kh2 gxf5 40.Ne3 Be5+ 41.g3 f4 42.gxf4 Bxf4+ 43.Kg2 Bxe3 44.fxe3 Rxe3 45.Nd4 Rd3 46.Nxb5 Rxd5 47.Nxd6 Rxd6+ 48.Kg3 Bc6 49.Kf4 Kg7 50.Rc5 Be8 51.Ke5 Rh6 52.Rc3 Rh5+ 53.Kd6 Bg6 54.Re3 Bf5 55.Ke5 Bc8+ 56.Kd4 Kf6 57.h4 Bf5 58.Rb3 Be6 59.Rb4 Rxh4+ 60.Kc3 Rh1 61.Kd4 Rd1+ 62.Ke4 Bd5+ 63.Kf4 Rf1+ 64.Ke3 Ke5 65.Ke2 Rh1 66.Kd2 Be4 67.Rb5+ Kf4 68.Rb3 Rh2+ 69.Kc3 Rh8 70.Kc4 Rc8+ 71.Kd4 Rd8+ 72.Kc3 Bd3 73.Rb4+ Ke3 74.Rb2 Rc8+ 75.Kb3 Kd4 76.Kb4 Rc6 77.Kb3 Rc1 78.Rd2 Rc8 79.Rb2 Bc4+ 80.Kb4 Kd3 81.Rh2 Rb8+ 82.Kc5 Rb5+ 83.Kd6 Rg5 84.Rh3+ Kd4 85.Rh4+ Kc3 86.Rh3+ Kb4 87.Rh7 Rd5+ 88.Ke7 Kc5 89.Rg7 Rh5 90.Kf6 Kd6 91.Rg5 Rh4 92.Rg7 Be6 93.Kg5 Rg4+ 94.Kf6 Rf4+ 95.Kg5 Rf2 96.Kg6 Ke5 97.Kg5 Bf7 98.Kh6 Kf6 99.Rg6+ Bxg6 1/2-1/2

peteryang
13-09-2009, 08:46 AM
and round 6 is over, with both games being draws.

congratulations to aronian for being the Grand Prix AND Grand Slam winner!