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ursogr8
24-07-2004, 02:43 PM
The Victorian INTERCLUB _ Eastern zone_2004
started on Friday 23/July with 8 teams in A grade as the premier attraction. Clubs that are represented in A are Melbourne, Bosnia, Dark Horse, Box Hill and New Life. This composition means that A Grade will be a round-robin.

Before B Grade got underway there was mild excitement as the entry for one team had gone astray. The new draw will involve 7 teams and will necessitate a bye each round. Box Hill, New Life, Dark Horse are the involved Clubs.

C Grade is always where the rubber hits the road between the oldies on the way down vs the up-and-comers. This time six teams, variously from Dark Horse, and Box Hill, will vie for supremacy.

D Grade also has 6 teams from Whitehorse and Box Hill. Tomorrow's champions can often be seen in this grade at no cost to spectators.

Arbiter is Gary Wastell, and the venue is Box Hill at 7.45 pm for the foreseeable.

A little disappointing this year that Dandenong and Mentone (where are you THUNK) did not enter teams.

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ursogr8
31-07-2004, 10:55 AM
The Victorian INTERCLUB _ Eastern zone_2004
started on Friday 23/July with 8 teams in A grade as the premier attraction. Clubs that are represented in A are Melbourne, Bosnia, Dark Horse, Box Hill and New Life. This composition means that A Grade will be a round-robin.

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"We were slaughtered", said Bobby 1972.

Round 2 of the VICTORIAN Winter Interclub competition saw Melbourne Chess Club’s A Grade team sitting opposite the Dark Horse Tigerstyle team. (Dark Horse is a new Club in Melbourne and is a Geoff Saw initiative).
On board 1 for MCC is bobby1972, one of Nature’s gentlemen. On board 1 for DHT is Christopher Wallis. Bill, you remember Christopher Wallis; he was the one I posted about when I asked for you to rate the recent VIC OPEN.

Bill you should have adjusted his rating then because his win last night is now going to cost Ascaro many, many rating points; and you know how Ascaro enjoys his rating points.

But wait, there is more. Ruperto Lugo surgically outplayed the MCC board 2, and Zhigen Wilson Lin ground down the MCC board 3 (MCC names not included to conform with privacy obligations). It was left to firegoat7, on board 4, to uphold the honour of MCC.

As Ascaro was walking out the front door he responded to a query with the now famous words ""We were slaughtered". But the MCC will back and will be competitive. It is not often that you play against 4 under-age juniors and come up short.


Leaders after 2 rounds in all grades are
A: Dark Horse Tigerstyle 6.5/8
B: L’s Angels 5.5/8
C: Setup Crew 6/8
D: Eastern Influence 4.5/8


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ursogr8
02-08-2004, 04:46 PM
The Victorian INTERCLUB _ Eastern zone_2004
started on Friday 23/July with 8 teams in A grade as the premier attraction.
starter

Full details of team composition now viewable at
http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/teams.htm

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firegoat7
04-08-2004, 08:42 PM
Hi,


No Pecori, Zag filling in ....EEEEEEPPPPP!!!

cheers FG7

ursogr8
04-08-2004, 09:47 PM
Hi,


No Pecori, Zag filling in ....EEEEEEPPPPP!!!

cheers FG7

Spectators are going to wonder if the high-rated lurker on board for will be promoted this week.

firegoat7
08-08-2004, 04:13 PM
A little bird told me Zag lurked brilliantly on board 1 Muhahahahahaha

jeffrei
08-08-2004, 06:38 PM
Any word on the results in A-Grade, starter? DH Tigerstyle didn't do at all well on Friday - have they blown their lead?

Recherché
09-08-2004, 12:29 PM
I suppose few people outside it care much about C Grade, but the last two rounds are looking interesting.

The = 2nd teams are playing each other this week, with Up and Comers going on to play the (current) #1 team in the final round the following Friday. Placings are still very much up in the air.

The results aren't actually up for last Friday's games, but assuming Whittick-Rozenblat was 1-0 (it seemed to be heading that way when I left), the standings should be:

Set-Up Crew: 8.5/12
Solid Rocks: 7/12
Up and Comers: 7/12

Can anyone tell me if there'll be a final played in C Grade?

ursogr8
09-08-2004, 01:23 PM
I suppose few people outside it care much about C Grade, but the last two rounds are looking interesting.

The = 2nd teams are playing each other this week, with Up and Comers going on to play the (current) #1 team in the final round the following Friday. Placings are still very much up in the air.

The results aren't actually up for last Friday's games, but assuming Whittick-Rozenblat was 1-0 (it seemed to be heading that way when I left), the standings should be:

Set-Up Crew: 8.5/12
Solid Rocks: 7/12
Up and Comers: 7/12

Can anyone tell me if there'll be a final played in C Grade?

Actually Recherché, C grade does hold interest for many so I am happy to address your questions.
It is a bit intriguing though to see some poster who succeeds in getting a thingo above that second e in your handle, not able to do some detective work and work out whether there is a FINAL or not. BTW, you are not connected to Thunk are you.....he specialises in e-defects?

Have a look at
http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/event.htm
and it lists 7 rounds.
Now flick to
http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/calendar.htm
and see round 8 on 10/9 (with an ALLEGRO on the same night).
Leave you to put 2 and 2 together.
It may be of importance to you to ask Gazza if there is a Western C Grade competition. If yes, then there will probably be a further C grade final...Easts v Wests.

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Recherché
09-08-2004, 04:29 PM
It is a bit intriguing though to see some poster who succeeds in getting a thingo above that second e in your handle, not able to do some detective work and work out whether there is a FINAL or not.

I knew there were finals; I suspected C-Grade may have been an exception due to the relatively small number of teams competing. I'm glad to hear this isn't the case.

Acute accents on és are sometimes a little easier to obtain than current tournament information on websites. Although actually I think the Interclub has been very well looked after on the website this year.


BTW, you are not connected to Thunk are you.....he specialises in e-defects?

I'm neither connected to nor familiar with "Thunk". But here's a few more, just for kicks: grave accent, è; circumflex, ê; diaeresis, ë.

ursogr8
14-08-2004, 03:06 PM
Round 4 of the VICTORIAN Winter Interclub competition has conducted and results in full can be seen at

http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/results.htm

In A Grade, Darkhorse TigerStyle has cleared out with a 2.5 point margin over their nearest rival.

In B Grade, L's Angels still lead, and by 1.5 points at the moment.

In C grade, the SET-up Crew ratain their lead; by 1 point.

In D Grade, Euro Spread have move to equal with Short Shrifters.


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ursogr8
19-08-2004, 12:52 PM
A little bird told me Zag lurked brilliantly on board 1 Muhahahahahaha

A bigger bird tells me

(at http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/results.htm)

that Zag would be well advised to lurk at all boards if the Brunswick St crew are to avoid the wooden spoon.
Is it time to test all of Gazza's rules about subs, in order to get out of this apparent trough?

jeffrei
19-08-2004, 07:39 PM
A-GRADE teams ranked by average rating of all members to have played at least one game:
1. BH President’s Men (1980)
2. BH Upwardly Mobile (1976)
3. BH Eastern Euros (1968)
4. Bosnia 1 (1956)
5. BH New Life 1 (1901)
6. Melbourne 1 (1851)
7. DH FisH (1752)
8. DH Tigerstyle (1668) :eek:

A-GRADE teams ranked by scores after Round Four:
1. DH Tigerstyle (11.5/16) :eek:
2. BH Upwardly Mobile (9.5/16)
3. BH President’s Men (9/16)
4. Bosnia 1 (9/16)
5. DH FisH (8/16)
6. BH New Life 1 (7/16)
7. BH Eastern Euros (5.5/16)
8. Melbourne 1 (4.5/16)

Leading individual scores in A-GRADE: :clap:
4/4 Zhigen LIN (1644!!) [A3 – DH Tigerstyle - age 11]
3.5/4 Chris WALLIS (1642!!) [A1 – DH Tigerstyle - age 13], Dusan STOJIC (1947!!) [A2 – BH New Life 1 - age 15], Rukman VIJAYAKUMAR (1643!!) [A3 – DH FisH - age 13]

Number of rating points pinched by DH players so far:
???? :eek:

jeffrei
21-08-2004, 12:08 PM
There was actually another player on 3.5/4 in A-GRADE, namely Bosnia 1's Board 4 Jusuf Pekmezovic (1948). I was able to work this out since the crosstable has been updated to include Round 4: http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/crosstable.htm.

ursogr8
21-08-2004, 05:50 PM
A-GRADE teams ranked by average rating of all members to have played at least one game:
1. BH President’s Men (1980)
2. BH Upwardly Mobile (1976)
3. BH Eastern Euros (1968)
4. Bosnia 1 (1956)
5. BH New Life 1 (1901)
6. Melbourne 1 (1851)
7. DH FisH (1752)
8. DH Tigerstyle (1668) :eek:

A-GRADE teams ranked by scores after Round Four:
1. DH Tigerstyle (11.5/16) :eek:
2. BH Upwardly Mobile (9.5/16)
3. BH President’s Men (9/16)
4. Bosnia 1 (9/16)
5. DH FisH (8/16)
6. BH New Life 1 (7/16)
7. BH Eastern Euros (5.5/16)
8. Melbourne 1 (4.5/16)

Leading individual scores in A-GRADE: :clap:
4/4 Zhigen LIN (1644!!) [A3 – DH Tigerstyle - age 11]
3.5/4 Chris WALLIS (1642!!) [A1 – DH Tigerstyle - age 13], Dusan STOJIC (1947!!) [A2 – BH New Life 1 - age 15], Rukman VIJAYAKUMAR (1643!!) [A3 – DH FisH - age 13]

Number of rating points pinched by DH players so far:
???? :eek:

Bill

I hope you have noted jeffrei's post. The lowest average rating team in A grade is leading all other teams and ripping rating points away from our visitors.
Now, if you had re-rated after the VIC OPEN, as we asked, then these under-rated juniors would have had their rating adjusted then.
It is not good enough for you to have super-Glicko2-with-the-lot if you are not going to run it and remove the lag-effect from infrequent re-rates.

starter

ursogr8
21-08-2004, 05:55 PM
Round 5 of the VICTORIAN Winter Interclub competition has conducted and results in full can be seen at

http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/results.htm

In A Grade, Darkhorse TigerStyle has cleared out with a 3.5 point margin over their nearest rival.

In B Grade, L's Angels still lead, and by 2.5 points at the moment.

In C grade, the SET-up Crew and Solid Rocks move into the semi-final. Bye for these two next week.

In D Grade, check the web-site for details when they are worked out. Two teams tie for second, and a tie-breaker, a la Gazza-style, will be invoked. Bye next week

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bobby1972
23-08-2004, 09:47 AM
anybody know the results for last round we had a 2-2 in melb-eastern hope we can avoid the spoon but looking hard ,what about the junior playing Aghamalyan very good prospects that one and james morris maybe go to become top players.

Recherché
23-08-2004, 12:16 PM
Round 5 of the VICTORIAN Winter Interclub competition has conducted and results in full can be seen at

http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/results.htm

Actually, the round 5 results don't appear to be up on the website yet. That's a link to round 4 results.


In C grade, the SET-up Crew and Solid Rocks move into the semi-final. Bye for these two next week.

The top four teams in C grade go into the semi-finals.

Top three was:

12/20: SET-up Crew; Solid Rocks
11/20: Up-and-Comers

I didn't see who grabbed fourth.


what about the junior playing Aghamalyan

Christopher Wallis had a win against Aghamalyan. A very impressive tournament so far from Chris.

I'm not sure what final standings in A grade were though, apart from Tigerstyle keeping a big lead.

bobby1972
23-08-2004, 04:28 PM
question for the ratings people,is winter interclub going to be rated in the coming list?i ask because as pointed out by starter i will loose a lot so i am wondering if it goes on the next list and so there is time to repair the damage.

eclectic
23-08-2004, 04:46 PM
question for the ratings people,is winter interclub going to be rated in the coming list?i ask because as pointed out by starter i will loose a lot so i am wondering if it goes on the next list and so there is time to repair the damage.

i would guess they will be rated as a whole (or per grades) when completed but using the june ratings not forthcoming september (or december ??) ones

eclectic

ursogr8
23-08-2004, 05:13 PM
question for the ratings people,is winter interclub going to be rated in the coming list?i ask because as pointed out by starter i will loose a lot so i am wondering if it goes on the next list and so there is time to repair the damage.

hi Ascaro

Milic Sucevic e-mailed us last Friday to say that the last day for rating adjustments was 21/8.
INTERCLUB was not included in his list because it is not a completed tournament.
Next time.

starter


By the way, Ascaro, share with us where you are going to play to get some cheap points to repair your rating. There could be a queue.

Garvinator
23-08-2004, 06:03 PM
hi Ascaro

Milic Sucevic e-mailed us last Friday to say that the last day for rating adjustments was 21/8.
INTERCLUB was not included in his list because it is not a completed tournament.
Next time.

starter


By the way, Ascaro, share with us where you are going to play to get some cheap points to repair your rating. There could be a queue.

does this mean that tournaments cant be sent in after 21/8. :confused: bill can you answer this?

ursogr8
23-08-2004, 06:24 PM
does this mean that tournaments cant be sent in after 21/8. :confused: bill can you answer this?

gg''
This was only meant to indicate to Ascaro what the VIC dead-line is...21/8.
Bill may have different rules for QLD.
starter

Garvinator
23-08-2004, 07:23 PM
gg''
This was only meant to indicate to Ascaro what the VIC dead-line is...21/8.
Bill may have different rules for QLD.
starter
was more saying that i thought bill can actually decide to rate tournaments if they are completed after 21/8. Just that they have to be finished before 31/8 in this case.

Bill Gletsos
24-08-2004, 12:15 AM
gg''
This was only meant to indicate to Ascaro what the VIC dead-line is...21/8.
Bill may have different rules for QLD.
starter
That is not correct.
The deadline for all states is the same.
They are requested to submit whatever they have by 31st July.
They are then requested to submit whatever else they have by 23/8.
This allows for checking of the results wothout having things all arrive at the last minute.

The critical cut-off date for this period is 6pm August 30th.
State Rating Officers aware of events finishing on August 29th are expected to liase with the organiser to ensure they get them that evening so they can forward them to me by the 30th.

Bill Gletsos
24-08-2004, 12:16 AM
hi Ascaro

Milic Sucevic e-mailed us last Friday to say that the last day for rating adjustments was 21/8.
INTERCLUB was not included in his list because it is not a completed tournament.
Next time.
When do the interclub matches finish.

Bill Gletsos
24-08-2004, 12:18 AM
i would guess they will be rated as a whole (or per grades) when completed but using the june ratings not forthcoming september (or december ??) ones

eclectic
Then you would guess wrong.
The ratings used are the ratings in effect at the time of submission.
If the event is submitted after the Sept ratings are published then the Sept ratings are used.

You are correct however that the interclub results would only be submitted for rating when the individual grades are completed.

ursogr8
24-08-2004, 07:54 AM
When do the interclub matches finish.

Bill

Zone finals, for Eastern Zone, are scheduled for 10 September.
Not sure if there is a Western Zone this year. (If there is a common grade between the two then a playoff is organised, ad hoc).

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ursogr8
24-08-2004, 08:00 AM
anybody know the results for last round we had a 2-2 in melb-eastern hope we can avoid the spoon but looking hard ,what about the junior playing Aghamalyan very good prospects that one and james morris maybe go to become top players.

hi Ascaro, again.

I have had a closer look and MCC could avoid the dreaded spoon. You guys are on 6.5/20 and Eastern Euros are on 7.5/20. But, your big chance is that EE have to play DarkHorse Tigerstyle (14.5/20) in round 6, whereas MCC play the Presidents Men on 10/20.

starter

ps Do you want me to post Gazza's rules about last minute higher-rated substitutes? :uhoh:

ursogr8
24-08-2004, 08:03 AM
The top four teams in C grade go into the semi-finals.

Top three was:

12/20: SET-up Crew; Solid Rocks
11/20: Up-and-Comers

I didn't see who grabbed fourth.



I'm not sure what final standings in A grade were though, apart from Tigerstyle keeping a big lead.

In C >

Fourth was Old'n'Bold on 10.5/20

In A >

DarkHorse Fish are second on 11/20

bobby1972
24-08-2004, 09:43 AM
where to get cheap ratings points is very hard to know,i normally stay around say hi 1900`s to low 2000`s by playing in the same bunch of tournys but some time the results are completly different i think that last year at the mcc i lost over 100 but i have picked up that many in other turnys say begonia and others,but this year all my points seem to come from mcc turnys every other turny seems to hard, for example in vic open i got 5.5 points and still lost some points i believe,but thats the way it goes.still this rating system is very consistent to show where your are at at any given moment.by the way i am very please about the rating of interclub because if it is rated later then that junior will be much higher and i will not loose that many points is this correct ? ,i mean its ok to loose to that kid i believe that a lot of improvement in his play very quickly lately.,the under 2000 was won by thy ly very strong field

ursogr8
24-08-2004, 10:05 AM
where to get cheap ratings points is very hard to know,i normally stay around say hi 1900`s to low 2000`s by playing in the same bunch of tournys but some time the results are completly different i think that last year at the mcc i lost over 100 but i have picked up that many in other turnys say begonia and others,but this year all my points seem to come from mcc turnys every other turny seems to hard, for example in vic open i got 5.5 points and still lost some points i believe,but thats the way it goes.still this rating system is very consistent to show where your are at at any given moment.by the way i am very please about the rating of interclub because if it is rated later then that junior will be much higher and i will not loose that many points is this correct ? ,i mean its ok to loose to that kid i believe that a lot of improvement in his play very quickly lately.,the under 2000 was won by thy ly very strong field


There is a good observation of yours.......Chris (the KID) Wallis will have been re-rated in the September ratings, and your loss to him in the INTERCLUB will not be rated until the following quarter. You may get off with a minimum rating loss.

starter

Bill Gletsos
24-08-2004, 01:19 PM
There is a good observation of yours.......Chris (the KID) Wallis will have been re-rated in the September ratings, and your loss to him in the INTERCLUB will not be rated until the following quarter. You may get off with a minimum rating loss.
Actually with the use of the new intermediate rating in the rating calcs the rating used of Wallis by his opponents in September will be much higher than his June rating.
Of course if Wallis improves even further in the next period then rating the interclub in the December list will be even better for Wallis's opponents.

bobby1972
24-08-2004, 01:30 PM
thanks for that bill,it just goes to show how good this rating system is ,love it

jeffrei
24-08-2004, 03:26 PM
ps Do you want me to post Gazza's rules about last minute higher-rated substitutes? :uhoh:

Is this against the rules? I was actually planning on playing a game for DH Tigerstyle in the last round.


But, your big chance is that EE have to play DarkHorse Tigerstyle (14.5/20) in round 6, whereas MCC play the Presidents Men on 10/20.

Agreed, although you must admit it's kinda surreal that the '1600 team' is being regarded as the one to beat. I'm certainly hoping that the MCC bring out the 'heavy artillery' for this Friday...it should be an interesting match.

By the way, was there any more interest in my idea to have the Xmas Swiss at the MCC? I still think that was a good idea. However, if it's not workable, would it be possible to make the already-planned Immanuel open weekender open to non-members of the MCC (say with a small surcharge)? If that can be done I'm confident I could get 10-15 kids playing at MCC that weekend. Everyone wants to get some good practice in before the Aus Open/Aus Juniors - and also a lot of them are quite keen on visiting this MCC place they've heard so much about.

ursogr8
24-08-2004, 05:11 PM
Is this against the rules? I was actually planning on playing a game for DH Tigerstyle in the last round.

Agreed, although you must admit it's kinda surreal that the '1600 team' is being regarded as the one to beat. I'm certainly hoping that the MCC bring out the 'heavy artillery' for this Friday...it should be an interesting match.



Against the rules?
You mean Gazza's rules; written in 6 font, on the back of the display board. :uhoh:

And while you are searching it out...just have a look at the transfer rule as well as the subsitute rule. Be very careful.

bobby1972
25-08-2004, 11:09 AM
the Immanuel open is open to all players only difference is mcc members get $5 discount,i think this year they might try to ask for the rights to call it the xmas swiss but i am not sure they will tell us later ,i think it will stay at 5 rounds as this has traditionaly been 5 round turny since i can remember .yeah hope its a nice turny again this year.

NOTORIOUS
26-08-2004, 03:26 PM
Does anyone know the full scores for A Grade? I mean, I know that DH Tigerstyle is outright 1st with 14.5/20 and DH FisH is outright second with 11/20, but how many teams are piled up on 9-10.5 points? Quite a lot I reckon. Anyone want to make any predictions about the likely finalists?

By the way when talking about promising Victorian juniors before I think you guys left someone very significant out. Hint: who's the only person in A Grade currently on 5/5?

ursogr8
26-08-2004, 03:44 PM
Does anyone know the full scores for A Grade? I mean, I know that DH Tigerstyle is outright 1st with 14.5/20 and DH FisH is outright second with 11/20, but how many teams are piled up on 9-10.5 points? Quite a lot I reckon.

Yes, they are on display at Box Hill (physically)...but not on the BB.

Anyone want to make any predictions about the likely finalists?
This would be rash until it is clear which team MCC fields in the effort to avoid the wooden spoon. :uhoh:

By the way when talking about promising Victorian juniors before I think you guys left someone very obvious out. Hint: who's the only person in A Grade currently on 5/5?

You are allowed to name NAMES here yourself NOTORIOUS.
A quick trip to
http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/crosstable.htm
would help.

The reason Chris Wallis has featured has been the on-going debte with Bill as to why a re-rating after the VIC OPEN did not occur.

starter

Bill Gletsos
26-08-2004, 03:53 PM
The reason Chris Wallis has featured has been the on-going debte with Bill as to why a re-rating after the VIC OPEN did not occur.

There has been no ongoing debate at all.
In fact a new rating list incorporating the Vic Open was never ever going to happen.

Even though I announced the planned rating changes on the BB, that was also not going to lead to new rating lists being published.
At that time testing as well as determing if we would implement the 100 point floor was still happening.

ursogr8
26-08-2004, 05:16 PM
There has been no ongoing debate at all.
In fact a new rating list incorporating the Vic Open was never ever going to happen.

Even though I announced the planned rating changes on the BB, that was also not going to lead to new rating lists being published.
At that time testing as well as determing if we would implement the 100 point floor was still happening.

Let me see if I have this clear and correct Bill.

Not only are you not agreeing to the request we put forward, you are not even agreeing that you even deigned to talk to us about the request.

starter

ursogr8
26-08-2004, 07:52 PM
Does anyone know the full scores for A Grade? I mean, I know that DH Tigerstyle is outright 1st with 14.5/20 and DH FisH is outright second with 11/20, but how many teams are piled up on 9-10.5 points? Quite a lot I reckon. Anyone want to make any predictions about the likely finalists?

By the way when talking about promising Victorian juniors before I think you guys left someone very significant out. Hint: who's the only person in A Grade currently on 5/5?

Team 2 DarkHorse TigerStyle 14.5/20
Team 3 NewLIFE 9.5/20
Team 4 Upwardly Mobile 10.5/20
Team 5 Eastern Euros 7.5/20
Team 6 Presidents men 10/20
Team 7 DarkHorse FISH 11/20
Team 8 Bosnia 1 10.5/20
Team 1 XXX 6.5/20

Two rounds to go
In round 6 1v6, 2v5, 3v4, 7v8
In round 7 1v7, 2v6, 3v5, 4v8

starter

bobby1972
28-08-2004, 09:52 AM
we are trying not to finish last ,we played better last night.

[Event "interclub"]
[Date "2004.08.27"]
[Round "6"]
[White "Pecori, A."]
[Black "Hacche, D."]
[Result "1-0"]
[ECO "B32"]

1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 e5
5. Nb5 d6 6. N1c3 a6 7. Na3 b5 8. Nd5 Nce7 9. Bg5 h6 10. Bh4 Be6 11. c3 Bxd5
12. exd5 g5 13. Bg3 Nf6 14. Nxb5 axb5 15. Bxb5+ Nd7 16. h4 Ra5 17. a4 Nf5 18.
Qg4 Nxg3 19. fxg3 Rxb5 20. axb5 Be7 21. Ra7 Nf6 22. Qc4 O-O 23. hxg5 hxg5 24.
Qd3 e4 25. Qe3 Nxd5 26. Qxe4 Nf6 27. Qf5 1-0

firegoat7
28-08-2004, 09:59 AM
Hey Oscar,

Nice win man. Fixed up the Hack, congratulations!! Can't let these non-affiliated club players get away with blue murder.

Well done
FG7

ursogr8
28-08-2004, 03:39 PM
Hey Oscar,

Nice win man. Fixed up the Hack, congratulations!! Can't let these non-affiliated club players get away with blue murder.

Well done
FG7

Well done Ascaro....great result.

fg7

Hacche is a member of an affiliated club.

starter

firegoat7
28-08-2004, 10:44 PM
Hacche is a member of an affiliated club.

Which club is the hack a member of Starter? I would like to know since he still owes MCC $145. Hmmmmm, maybe Jammo could mediate on our behalf.

Cheers FG7

ursogr8
28-08-2004, 10:58 PM
Which club is the hack a member of Starter? I would like to know since he still owes MCC $145. Hmmmmm, maybe Jammo could mediate on our behalf.

Cheers FG7


The Club is obvious from the web-site list of teams.
Debts between you and the player are your business, not mine.
I have no dispute with you, so no need for a mediator.

starter

firegoat7
29-08-2004, 11:27 AM
The Club is obvious from the web-site list of teams.
Debts between you and the player are your business, not mine.
I have no dispute with you, so no need for a mediator.

starter I'm very curious now. So maybe you could humor my enquires Starter. How long has Hacche been a member of Box Hill CC? Has he paid all monies owing in full to Box Hill chess club? See I'm asking because MCC let Hacche play at the club based on goodwill, we would rather see him playing then not, but, Mr Hacche has in fact abused this goodwill.

Since this is the second year running where Mr Hacche owed money to the club, I am curious whether it is just an MCC relationship problem or an ongoing problem with the individual concerned. If it is the first reason then MCC will have to review its own policies towards members. If it is the second then it might be prudent of MCC to warn other affiliated clubs of the dangers faced with dealing with certain individuals within Victorian chess.

Cheers FG7

ursogr8
29-08-2004, 11:55 AM
I'm very curious now. So maybe you could humor my enquires Starter. How long has Hacche been a member of Box Hill CC?

The wrong question fg7.........Hacche has played previous VIC Championships as a member of BHCC.


Has he paid all monies owing in full to Box Hill chess club?

It is not possible to enter an event at BHCC and not be eligible.


See I'm asking because MCC let Hacche play at the club based on goodwill, we would rather see him playing then not, but, Mr Hacche has in fact abused this goodwill.

The BHCC Treasurer shows very little goodwill. He likes everything regular and normalised.


Since this is the second year running where Mr Hacche owed money to the club

Nup. We exercise a guillotine at the NOV AGM for BHCC. Membership is revoked then if necessary and appropriate. It (outstanding SUBS or entry fees) never goes beyond one tourney, let alone one year.


I am curious whether it is just an MCC relationship problem or an ongoing problem with the individual concerned.
No comment on the individual.


If it is the first reason then MCC will have to review its own policies towards members. If it is the second then it might be prudent of MCC to warn other affiliated clubs of the dangers faced with dealing with certain individuals within Victorian chess.

Cheers FG7

A State run black-list..........how could you envisage such a thing fg7. Your view of the State (CV) is that it couldn't run a pie-warmer; so how could they run a a blacklist.
We would prefer to take our own chances and form our own judgements.



However, you have a good issue underlying all your sentences. Should chess clubs recognise that some individuals are hard-up and would like to play chess but cannot afford it? Yes, we have a few of these. And yes, a % of the time we/I find a benefactor who will fund the individual.

starter

(ps.... I am off to the football ...Bombers v Bulldogs. I think I might try your idea about negotiating free entry, at the Docklands, with the guy on the gate. Like my chances?)

jeffrei
03-09-2004, 02:01 AM
Going into the last round it's still pretty tense in A-GRADE, and it's not clear who'll make it into the finals. We have five teams still in with some kind of chance:

DH Tigerstyle 16/24
DH FisH 13.5/24
BH New Life 1 13/24
Bosnia 1 12/24
BH President's Men 11.5/24

Any two of these teams could qualify for the finals. Would anyone care to make some predictions?

DH Tigerstyle thought that they'd 'snuffed out New Life' in round by hammering them 3.5-0.5 in Round 4, but they bounced back in Round 6 to beat BH Upwardly Mobile by the same margin. The secret of their success is most definitely Dusan Stojic (on Board 2 for some reason, as he was at the 2004 World Youth Olympiad), who I think has scored 5.5/6. That's just about the best score in A-GRADE, after Zhigen Lin who has 6/6 and Igor Bjelobrk who has 5/5. I've posted Zhigen and Chris's last 2 games (and their notes) in the 'games and analysis' section.

jeffrei
04-09-2004, 02:00 PM
:shocked: :sad: :happy:
We need a 'bittersweet' emoticon.

ursogr8
04-09-2004, 07:48 PM
:shocked: :sad: :happy:
We need a 'bittersweet' emoticon.

jeffrei
Instead of commenting on graphics design, what about giving us the scores.

jeffrei
05-09-2004, 01:48 AM
jeffrei
Instead of commenting on graphics design, what about giving us the scores.

I don't actually know the scores. What I do know are the following facts:

A-GRADE
a) Pretty much everyone hitherto doing well (e.g Zhigen Lin 6/6, Igor Bjelobrk 5/5, Dusan Stojic 5.5/6, Rukman Vijayakumar 5/6, Chris Wallis 4.5/6) messed up in the last round. (SURPRISE! :shocked: )
b) Everyone in the DH Tigerstyle team played horribly, and thus they lost 0.5-3.5 against BH President's Men (BITTER! :sad: ).
c) However, they were already leading by so much they came outright first by 1.5 points anyway. (SWEET! :happy: ).
d) Due to b), there was a protracted tussle between DH FisH and BH President's Men for the remaining spot in the A-GRADE finals, which was decided on countback in favour of DH FisH. So we have Chris Wallis vs Igor Bjelobrk on Board 1 next week!

B-GRADE
a) BH L's Angles were never likely to miss out on a place in the finals.
b) From the outset I was sortof figuring that DH Killer Beez would join them...which did end up happening. However, at one point on Friday night it seemed that their chances had been scuttled by - of all people - Rebecca Harris. Can anyone guess how she managed to impinge on events in Melbourne from 1000-odd kilometres away? :lol:
c) Derek Yu 6/6 against a field with an average rating - not counting one unrated - 195.2 points higher than his own. Can you say underrated junior?

Bill Gletsos
05-09-2004, 02:01 AM
b) From the outset I was sortof figuring that DH Killer Beez would join them...which did end up happening. However, at one point on Friday night it seemed that their changes had been scuttled by - of all people - Rebecca Harris. Can anyone guess how she managed to impinge on events in Melbourne from 1000-odd kilometres away? :lol:
She called a players mobile?

jeffrei
05-09-2004, 02:04 AM
Good guess yaar!

Of course it was his fault and not hers. I'll throw out another question before going to bed: whose mobile did did she ring, and what is his BB incarnation? I won't be back to answer this tomorrow, but it's not too challenging. Check http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/teams.htm for teams list.

Bill Gletsos
05-09-2004, 02:09 AM
Good guess yaar!

Of course it was his fault and not hers. I'll throw out another question before going to bed: whose mobile did did she ring, and what is his BB incarnation? I won't be back to answer this tomorrow, but it's not too challenging. Check http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/teams.htm for teams list.
She called Broadz?

ursogr8
05-09-2004, 07:42 AM
She called Broadz?

I heard a mobile ring.
I saw BroadZ rise quickly from his seat and head into the other room and towards the exit.
I would have liked to see the Arbiter in action on this one, but I was enjoying my Wing gambit against the FRENCH too much. :)

starter

bobby1972
05-09-2004, 05:43 PM
what does the dh stand for please?and did mcc finish last in a grade?

BroadZ
05-09-2004, 05:57 PM
I heard a mobile ring.
I saw BroadZ rise quickly from his seat and head into the other room and towards the exit.
I would have liked to see the Arbiter in action on this one ...

starter


oh yeh? whyd that be starter? a bit sore perhaps that youve been my only win n you were smashed off the board? well at least you got half of it, i was forfeitted but i cant help but wonder why my opponent would do anythin bout it: even if it is the rules, its 4 moves in, ive got bout 20 mins left to his 80, surely he mustve been confident of winning without havin to be a complete pussy and forfeit me over that?

anyone who replies sayin he had to cause its the rules - id rather keep quiet n finish the game when he comes back - it makes for a more satisfactory point for your team

Garvinator
05-09-2004, 07:49 PM
oh yeh? whyd that be starter? a bit sore perhaps that youve been my only win n you were smashed off the board? well at least you got half of it, i was forfeitted but i cant help but wonder why my opponent would do anythin bout it: even if it is the rules, its 4 moves in, ive got bout 20 mins left to his 80, surely he mustve been confident of winning without havin to be a complete pussy and forfeit me over that?

anyone who replies sayin he had to cause its the rules - id rather keep quiet n finish the game when he comes back - it makes for a more satisfactory point for your team
you spent about 60 mins on 4 moves :uhoh: and some of us thought nick speck's 1 hour in the aussie champs playoff was slow :doh:

Ok i wont reply that its in the rules, even though my thoughts on the mobile phone rule is well known :owned: instead of blaming the rule for your loss, how about blaming yourself for having your phone on when fully well know the mobile phone rule? Its called personal responsibility ;)

jeffrei
06-09-2004, 02:14 AM
what does the dh stand for please?and did mcc finish last in a grade?

DH stands for Dark Horse, as in Dark Horse Chess Club.

I don't know if MCC avoided the wooden spoon but I do know that their board 1 put in a fine performance against one of Australia's absolute best players in the last round!

ursogr8
06-09-2004, 08:09 AM
oh yeh? whyd that be starter? a bit sore perhaps that youve been my only win n you were smashed off the board?
Good point BroadZ. Now that you remind me of your good win against me it does change my outlook a bit.

Actually, what I was looking fwd to was watching Gazza handle the disturbance. We have so few these days with the guillotine finish out the window because of digital clocks. I think the only one this tourney was the dispute over the touched piece, by an opponent who did not speak English.



well at least you got half of it, i was forfeitted but i cant help but wonder why my opponent would do anythin bout it: even if it is the rules, its 4 moves in, ive got bout 20 mins left to his 80, surely he mustve been confident of winning without havin to be a complete pussy and forfeit me over that?

Nicely written BroadZ. Reminds me of those people who write to the 'Letters to the EDITOR' complaining because they got a parking ticket.



anyone who replies sayin he had to cause its the rules - id rather keep quiet n finish the game when he comes back - it makes for a more satisfactory point for your team

At least you have the satisfaction of being the first (at least, at Box Hill).

starter

ps Have you got a formal transfer to play at DH?

pps Personally, I think the forfeit rule for 'disturbance' due to a mobile phone ringing is a farce. Can anyone think of another 'minor disturbance' that carries the penalty of LOSS without a single personal warning.

Recherché
06-09-2004, 12:08 PM
pps Personally, I think the forfeit rule for 'disturbance' due to a mobile phone ringing is a farce. Can anyone think of another 'minor disturbance' that carries the penalty of LOSS without a single personal warning.

I believe the FIDE regulation is aimed more at players who might potentially use new-generation phones to cheat. With, say, photo messages, or even running MiniFritz.

Garvinator
06-09-2004, 01:21 PM
I believe the FIDE regulation is aimed more at players who might potentially use new-generation phones to cheat. With, say, photo messages, or even running MiniFritz.
this discussion has happened before on here hasnt it? Someone, anyone?????

Bill Gletsos
06-09-2004, 01:28 PM
I believe the FIDE regulation is aimed more at players who might potentially use new-generation phones to cheat. With, say, photo messages, or even running MiniFritz.
Given this was brought in more than 2 years ago, thats unlikely.
After all they havent banned pocketPC's or palm PDA's.

ursogr8
06-09-2004, 01:30 PM
this discussion has happened before on here hasnt it? Someone, anyone?????

Yes
On 'what is a disturbance
On 'using the mobile as an openings book or a FRITZ
On 'who will be the first banned/forfeited.

But no, on what is sensible.

starter

ursogr8
08-09-2004, 04:40 PM
DH stands for Dark Horse, as in Dark Horse Chess Club.

I don't know if MCC avoided the wooden spoon but I do know that their board 1 put in a fine performance against one of Australia's absolute best players in the last round!

Ascaro...Looks like MCC did get the wooden spoon, from what I can read at
http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/crosstable.htm

jeffrei...........Can you give us more detail on the board 1 performance.

Bill.......two kids around 1640 cleaned up in A grade ...one of them 6/6. But then you know one of their names from previous.

starter

JGB
08-09-2004, 05:21 PM
this discussion has happened before on here hasnt it? Someone, anyone?????

Yeah we talked about the use of mobile phones in tournamnets and the automatic loss of a game as a result. I also brought up the point that it is possible to cheat in chess tournaments using the new age chess programmes playable on mobile phones. mini fritz is a good example.

Recherché
08-09-2004, 06:26 PM
Bill.......two kids around 1640 cleaned up in A grade ...one of them 6/6. But then you know one of their names from previous.

They'll be rated 1837 and 1723 respectively when the Interclub tournament goes through the ratings cycle. The intermediate rating thing may mitigate this further. They finished on 4.5/7 and 6/7, I think.

Bill Gletsos
08-09-2004, 06:34 PM
They'll be rated 1837 and 1723 respectively when the Interclub tournament goes through the ratings cycle.
Correct.


The intermediate rating thing may mitigate this further.
It will certainly help their opponents. ;)


They finished on 4.5/7 and 6/7, I think.
Correct.

jeffrei
08-09-2004, 07:24 PM
jeffrei...........Can you give us more detail on the board 1 performance.

Ah...I was referring to the game Bjelobrk-Pecori, in which the former player was held to a draw. I didn't see the game at all but I'm sure this must have restored some MCC pride!

Interesting to note that both DH Tigerstyle and DH FisH had players putting in very powerful performances on boards 1 and 3. Naturally these players are now going to collide in the final: we have Igor Bjelobrk (5.5/6) vs Chris Wallis (4.5/7) on board 1 and Zhigen Lin (6/7) vs Rukman Vijayakumar (5/7) on board 3. Anyone want to back Chris to beat someone rated precisely 550 points higher than him? Who's the favourite on board 3: the 11-year-old, or the 13-year-old?

By the way I've posted Chris and Zhigen's Round 7 games on the 'Live at the BBQ' thread (they both lost!).

/jef

ursogr8
08-09-2004, 09:12 PM
Ah...I was referring to the game Bjelobrk-Pecori, in which the former player was held to a draw. I didn't see the game at all but I'm sure this must have restored some MCC pride!

/jef

hey Ascaro

Well done.
It is a must that you post it here.

starter

bobby1972
08-09-2004, 11:00 PM
he just gave me a knight for nothing and then at the end i offered a draw because i was in time pressure i was lucky (he was winning if he played more agresively say 32 nf5 Ra4 33Qb7+-), but not as lucky as in our previous meeting he he
[Event "winter interclub a grade"]
[Site "?"]
[Date "2004.09.03"]
[Round "7"]
[White "Bjelobrk, I."]
[Black "Pecori, A."]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "E84"]
[PlyCount "92"]

1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 g6 3. Nc3 Bg7 4. e4 d6 5. f3 O-O 6. Nge2 Nc6 7. Be3 a6 8. Qd2
Rb8 9. a3 Re8 10. b4 e5 11. d5 Ne7 12. Nc1 Nh5 13. Nd3 f5 14. Be2 Rf8 15. O-O
Bd7 16. c5 f4 17. Bf2 g5 18. b5 axb5 19. Rab1 Qe8 20. cxd6 cxd6 21. Qb2 Qg6 22.
Nxb5 g4 23. fxg4 Bxg4 24. Bxg4 Qxg4 25. Ba7 Ra8 26. Rf3 Ng6 27. Bf2 Qd7 28. Qb4
Ra6 29. Rc1 Rc8 30. Rxc8+ Qxc8 31. Nxd6 Qc2 32. Nc4 Ra4 33. Qd6 Rxc4 34. Qe6+
Kh8 35. g4 Nf6 36. g5 Nxe4 37. Qe8+ Nf8 38. Nxe5 Qd1+ 39. Kg2 Nxg5 40. Nf7+
Nxf7 41. Qxf7 Rc1 42. Qxf4 Qf1+ 43. Kg3 Qc4 44. Bd4 1/2-1/2

jeffrei
10-09-2004, 11:50 PM
we have Igor Bjelobrk (5.5/6) vs Chris Wallis (4.5/7) on board 1 and Zhigen Lin (6/7) vs Rukman Vijayakumar (5/7) on board 3.

My psychic powers tell me Bjelobrk 1-0 Wallis, but only after a very long struggle and some valuable lessons learned (the reason we started this venture, remember?). And Vijayakumar-Lin a drawn-out draw in some ending. Could be wrong about either or both of those descriptions, but not about the final scoreline, which was: DH FisH 3-1 DH Tigerstyle.

boardumb
11-09-2004, 03:58 AM
My psychic powers tell me Bjelobrk 1-0 Wallis, but only after a very long struggle and some valuable lessons learned (the reason we started this venture, remember?). And Vijayakumar-Lin a drawn-out draw in some ending. Could be wrong about either or both of those descriptions, but not about the final scoreline, which was: DH FisH 3-1 DH Tigerstyle.

in the first case, v. true. mr bjelobrk was heard to concede his position was quite dire at one stage, but tactics came to the rescue.

but while watching the boards, i felt that vijayakumar-lin seemed to have the best chance of winning for fish, but before mcdonald won some pawns. i'm sure the post mortem will reveal something different, but it looked promising, but rukman had no way of infiltrating.

my own game however, :hand: .

ursogr8
15-09-2004, 08:29 PM
Full results of the 2004 Victorian eastern zone INTERCLUB are available at

http://www.boxhillchess.org.au/e2004/e0407fwi/round7.htm

Mischa
15-09-2004, 10:13 PM
jefrei'
Am sick of hearing about the kids you coach. Have you any comment about any others

ursogr8
16-09-2004, 07:37 AM
jefrei'
Am sick of hearing about the kids you coach. Have you any comment about any others
hi n.i.

The bulletin board is open to all coaches to post about their charges games.
Can we look forward to David Hacche posting some games for the forthcoming Box Hill OPEN given that David is also playing in this event, as well as the youngster.

starter

Mischa
22-09-2004, 10:02 PM
What does David Hacche to do with this?

Mischa
22-09-2004, 10:03 PM
Starter...am so impressed with your deductions

ursogr8
23-09-2004, 08:16 AM
Starter...am so impressed with your deductions

Mrs noidea

It would be easy to accept your blandishment, but, on the 8th of May you posted on the BB
Tried to enter my kid in the Vic Open but apparently he is not affiliated so has to pay extra.... he is only a junior
and then you raised the same question a day or two later at the Box Hill Chess Club.
Just put 2 and 2 together.

starter

Mischa
23-09-2004, 08:49 PM
Well, noidea does refer to more than just my chess knowledge

Mischa
23-09-2004, 08:50 PM
Just for the record...David is not actually the kids coach

jenni
24-09-2004, 11:07 AM
Mrs noidea


starter
Now I know who noidea is - should have guessed it from the same clues of course...... :)

Mischa
30-09-2004, 09:45 PM
well that just takes the fun out of my year!

jeffrei
22-10-2004, 12:29 AM
Am I allowed to say this?

DarkHorse FisH are the Victorian Interclub Champions!!!!!

They beat DarkHorse Tigerstyle in the East Zone Finals and then Hobsons Bay 1 in the Interzone Final. Does the club president get a pennant to hang up on his bedroom wall?

I'd like to say thanks to all the people who dissed us and talked crap about us throughout the competition, and a special shout out to the mother-*ahem* who before the first round took one look at Chris Wallis on board 1 and said that Dark Horse would be 'Dead Horse'. By the way you're still wack. :P :P :P

jeffrei
22-10-2004, 12:30 AM
I'll post full results when they become available to me, and maybe some games too. Does anyone know who won B-, C- and D-grades?

booboo
22-10-2004, 06:47 AM
Congratulations jeffrie on a fine result. (for all DH teams)
B grade was won by Hobson,s Bay 2 over L,s Angels on a tie-breaker. (L,s Angels forfeited board 3 :( and lost on board 2. The tie break eliminates board 4 first - hence the result)

ursogr8
22-10-2004, 08:05 AM
Congratulations jeffrie on a fine result. (for all DH teams)
B grade was won by Hobson,s Bay 2 over L,s Angels on a tie-breaker. (L,s Angels forfeited board 3 :( and lost on board 2. The tie break eliminates board 4 first - hence the result)


hello Booboo

Listen mate, you have been dialling in here for 12 months, and I know you don't post much, but.....you can't just leave
>>(L,s Angels forfeited board 3 :(
...dangling like that.

You need to name names and reasons. We will get to the bottom of it in the end you know. No secrets here. Save us some time...spill the beans.

starter

booboo
22-10-2004, 08:54 AM
You need to name names and reasons. We will get to the bottom of it in the end you know. No secrets here. Save us some time...spill the beans.

Thank you for your promp, starter.
The boy in question is usually quite reliable and I don't believe in embarrassing people unnecessarily. (Also, it is possible that a quiet reminder from his captain last Friday would have been useful - arrangements for finals becomes a long-running saga in Mexico :rolleyes: and people can lose track of committments. Can we hope the system will improve?)

Julian
22-10-2004, 07:53 PM
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA GG NO RE
This goes out to all the unbelievers who said Dark Horse sucked and that our average rating was far too low to play in A grade.

Thanks to Hobson's Bay and Peter Caissa for a smoothly run finals. Lastly thanks to my teammates Igor, Rukman and Vincent for showing points != skill.

Julian.