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Kevin Bonham
19-05-2009, 06:54 PM
Featuring Topalov, Carlsen, Shirov, Ivanchuk, Wang Yue, Dominguez.

At the half-way mark:

+1 Topalov, Carlsen, Shirov
= Wang Yue, Dominguez
-3 Ivanchuk

Poor Chucky; he really has lost the plot lately. Here's his self-destruct against Topalov.

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 a6 6.Bg5 e6 7.f4 Be7 8.Qf3 Qc7 9.0-0-0 Nbd7 10.Bd3 h6 11.Qh3 Nc5 12.Rhe1 Rg8 13.Bh4 g5 14.e5 dxe5 15.fxg5 hxg5 16.Bg3 Ncd7 17.Nxe6 Qb6 18.Bc4 g4 19.Qh6 fxe6 20.Bh4 Bf8 21.Qd2 Qc6 22.Bd3 b5 23.Ne4 Nd5 24.Rf1 Bb7 25.Rxf8+ Nxf8 26.Qh6 Rg6 27.Nf6+ Rxf6 28.Bxf6 Nxf6 29.Bg6+ Nxg6 30.Qxg6+ Ke7 31.Qg7+ Ke8 32.Qxf6 Rc8 33.c3 b4 34.Qg6+ Ke7 35.Qg7+ Ke8 36.Rf1 Qc5 37.Qxb7?? Aaaaaargh! [37.Qf7+ Kd8 38.Rd1+ Bd5 39.Qxe6 draws] 37...Qe3+ 38.Kc2 Qe2+ 39.Kb3 Qc4+ 40.Kc2 b3+ 41.Kd2 Rd8+ 42.Ke1 Rd1+ 43.Kxd1 Qxf1+ 44.Kd2 Qf4+ 45.Kd1 bxa2 46.Qc8+ Kf7 47.Qd7+ Kf6 48.Qd8+ Kf5 49.Qf8+ Ke4 50.Qa8+ Kd3 51.Qxa6+ Qc4 52.Qa7 g3 53.h3 Qb3+ 54.Ke1 Kc2 0-1

and another one, described by Mig as an "epic fail" against Wang Yue:

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Nc3 Nxc3 6.dxc3 Be7 7.Be3 Nc6 8.Qd2 Be6 9.0-0-0 Qd7 10.Kb1 a6 11.Be2 Bf6 12.Ng5 Bxg5 13.Bxg5 f6 14.Be3 0-0-0 15.Rhe1 Rhe8 16.b3 Bg4 17.f3 Bf5 18.Bf1 Bg6 19.Kb2 Re5 20.Bf2 Qf5 21.Bg3 Rxe1 22.Bxe1 Qg5 23.Qxg5 fxg5 24.c4 Ne7 25.Bd2 h6 26.Bc3 Nf5 27.Re1 Re8 28.Rxe8+ Bxe8 29.Bd3 g6 30.Kc1 Nh4 31.Bf1 Kd7 32.Kd2 Ke6 33.Ke3 Nf5+ 34.Kf2 Kf7 35.Bd3 Ne7 36.g4 Nc6 37.Be4 Nd8 38.Bd5+ Ke7 39.Bg7 h5 40.Bd4 Bc6 41.Be3 Kf6 42.Kg3 Ne6 43.a4 Ke5 44.Bxg5 Bxd5 45.f4+ Ke4 46.cxd5 Nxg5 47.fxg5 h4+ 48.Kxh4 Kf3 49.b4 b5 50.a5 Kg2 51.h3 Kh2 0-1.

and how not to play the Moscow - Shirov beats him in 24 moves with black:

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 d6 3.Bb5+ Bd7 4.Bxd7+ Qxd7 5.c4 Nf6 6.Nc3 g6 7.d4 cxd4 8.Nxd4 Bg7 9.f3 0-0 10.Be3 Nc6 11.0-0 Rac8 12.b3 e6 13.Rc1 Rfd8 14.Qd2 d5 15.exd5 exd5 16.c5 Nxd4 17.Bxd4 Ne4 18.Qe3 Nxc5 19.Rcd1 Bxd4 20.Rxd4 Qc6 21.Ne2 Ne6 22.Rd2 d4 23.Nxd4 Qb6 24.Rfd1 Rd5 0-1.

What is happening? He'll be out of the top 50 before long if he keeps this up!

Carlsen - Topalov; check out white's 33rd:

1.d4 d5 2.c4 c6 3.Nf3 Nf6 4.Nc3 e6 5.Bg5 h6 6.Bxf6 Qxf6 7.e3 Nd7 8.Bd3 dxc4 9.Bxc4 g6 10.0-0 Bg7 11.e4 0-0 12.e5 Qe7 13.Qe2 b5 14.Bd3 Bb7 15.Be4 Rfd8 16.Rac1 Rab8 17.Rfd1 a6 18.h4 Ba8 19.Rc2 Rdc8 20.Rdc1 Qf8 21.a4 c5 22.axb5 cxd4 23.Nxd4 Bxe4 24.Nxe4 Rxc2 25.Rxc2 axb5 26.Nc6 Rb6 27.f4 Qa8 28.Ne7+ Kh7 29.h5 Ra6 30.hxg6+ fxg6 31.Rc7 Ra1+ 32.Kf2 Qd8 33.Qd3 Qxe7 34.Rxd7 Qh4+ 35.Kf3 Qh5+ 36.Kg3 1-0

Shirov seems to be resurgent; it is good to see him back in the top 10 and performing well against top opposition.

Kevin Bonham
23-05-2009, 01:20 PM
Topalov defeated Ivanchuk in a long game and is now +2 alongside Shirov. Carlsen leads at +3, Dominguez and Wang Yue are -1, and poor Ivanchuk is -5. Yep, that's right, 2/9, and he has fallen off the Live Top List!

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Ba4 Nf6 5.0-0 Be7 6.Re1 b5 7.Bb3 d6 8.c3 0-0 9.h3 Na5 10.Bc2 c5 11.d4 Qc7 12.d5 Bd7 13.b3 c4 14.Ba3 Bd8 15.Nbd2 Ne8 16.Bb4 cxb3 17.axb3 Nb7 18.Qe2 Qb8 19.Ba3 Bb6 20.b4 Nc7 21.Bd3 a5 22.Nf1 axb4 23.cxb4 f6 24.Ne3 g6 25.Bb2 Rxa1 26.Rxa1 Nd8 27.Nd2 Nf7 28.Kh2 Qd8 29.Rf1 Qe7 30.Bc1 Ra8 31.Nb1 Bd4 32.Nc2 Bb6 33.Nc3 f5 34.exf5 gxf5 35.f4 Rc8 36.Be3 Bxe3 37.Qxe3 Ne8 38.Be2 Qf6 39.Qd2 exf4 40.Nd4 Qe5 41.Bxb5 f3+ 42.Kg1 Bxb5 43.Ncxb5 fxg2 44.Rxf5 Qe4 45.Nc3 Qh4 46.Qxg2+ Kh8 47.Nce2 Nf6 48.Rf4 Qh6 49.Nf5 Qf8 50.Ned4 Ne5 51.b5 Qg8 52.Ne7 Rc1+ 53.Kh2 Qxg2+ 54.Kxg2 Nfd7 55.Ndf5 Nc4 56.Rg4 Nf6 57.Rg3 Rc2+ 58.Kg1 Rc1+ 59.Kh2 Rc2+ 60.Rg2 Rxg2+ 61.Kxg2 Ne4 62.Nc8 Nc3 63.Ncxd6 Nb6 64.Ne3 Kg7 65.Kf3 Kf8 66.Kf4 Ke7 67.Ndc4 Nxc4 68.Nxc4 Nxd5+ 69.Kg5 Kd7 70.h4 Ne7 71.Kf6 Ng6 72.Ne5+ Nxe5 73.Kxe5 Kc7 74.h5 Kb6 75.Kf6 Kxb5 76.Kg7 Ka4 77.Kxh7 Kb3 78.h6 Ka2 79.Kg6 Kb1 80.h7 Kc2 81.h8=Q 1-0.

I can only assume the significance of the final moves is that Topalov was very short of time without the increment.

Tony Dowden
23-05-2009, 02:00 PM
Yes its sad about Chukky.

But almost unnoticed, Alexei Shirov has a shot at a major tournament victory. While I'm an unabashed Carlsen fan - and hope Magnus comes at least first equal - its terrific seeing Shirov finally emerge from relative obscurity after the Kasparov-Shirov match didn't happen.

Er, go Magnus!

Kevin Bonham
23-05-2009, 04:49 PM
But almost unnoticed, Alexei Shirov has a shot at a major tournament victory. While I'm an unabashed Carlsen fan - and hope Magnus comes at least first equal - its terrific seeing Shirov finally emerge from relative obscurity after the Kasparov-Shirov match didn't happen.

Absolutely.

Tonight's key matchups are Shirov-Carlsen and Wang Yue-Topalov. Play starts an hour early (10pm our time).

Kevin Bonham
24-05-2009, 01:39 AM
Shirov defeats Carlsen and wins the tournament!

I don't know what to make of this wild last round game really. Black goes three pawns down for a big attack and although black's practical record after white accepts the third pawn has been good, this seems to have been inflated by suspect white play. Anyway by the time Shirov makes the first new move of the game, 22.Nc2, it is already not clear that black has enough compensation, but if there is not enough compensation there then how far back must black go?

I don't feel remotely qualified to say whether the game was a brilliant win by Shirov or if Carlsen just underprepared but it was a great game to watch. Anyway, whatever black's reason for going into such a risky last-round position with a half-point lead, it didn't work for him.

1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.d4 cxd4 4.Nxd4 Nf6 5.Nc3 e5 6.Ndb5 d6 7.Bg5 a6 8.Na3 b5 9.Bxf6 gxf6 10.Nd5 Bg7 11.Bd3 Ne7 12.Nxe7 Qxe7 13.0-0 0-0 14.c4 f5 15.Qh5 This is less often played than Qf3 and has a poor record at top level 15...Rb8 16.exf5 e4 17.Rae1 Bb7 18.Qg4 Rfe8 19.cxb5 d5 20.bxa6 Bc6 21.b3 Kh8 [21...Bd7 22.a7?! Rb7 23.Nc4 Rd8 24.Ne3 exd3 25.Nxd5 Qd6 26.Qg5 f6 27.Qg4 Bc6 28.Nc3 Qb4 29.Qxb4 Rxb4 30.Re6 Ba8 31.Rd1 Kf7 32.Na4 Rg4 33.g3 Bf3 34.a8Q Bxa8 35.f4 Bh6 36.Kf2 Bxf4 37.gxf4 Rg2+ 38.Kf1 Rxh2 39.Nc3 Bf3 40.Rb1 d2 41.Re3 Rh1+ 42.Kf2 Rxb1 43.Kxf3 Rc1 0-1 Fiel 2526 -Cordova 2477 Buenos Aires 2007] 22.Nc2 Novelty [22.Nb1 Rg8 23.Qh3 Rb6 24.Be2 Ba8 25.Rc1 Rh6 26.f6 Qxf6 27.Qd7 Bc6 28.Rxc6 Qxc6 29.Qxc6 Rxc6 30.Rd1 Rc2 31.Kf1 d4 32.Bc4 Rxa2 33.Nd2 e3 34.fxe3 dxe3 35.Ne4 Be5 36.Be2 Rc8 37.Bc4 Bxh2 38.Nc3 Rf2+ 39.Ke1 f5 40.Ne2 Bc7 41.Rd5 f4 42.Rc5 Rd8 43.Nc3 Bb8 44.Rg5 Rc2 45.Nd5 Bd6 0-1 Nyvlt 2635 -Neumann 2667 Frantisek Batik mem 2003 and there is also another black win from 2200s level correspondence play just before this] 22...Be5 23.Be2 d4 24.Bc4 Rg8 25.Qh3 Rg7 26.g3 Rbg8 27.Qh6 Qc7? This gives white's knight a very good square for busting black's play on the long diagonal. 28.Nb4 Ba8 29.Nd5 Qd8 30.Rxe4 1-0

Shirov is back! He will go #5 in the world on the Live Top List now, ahead of one Vladimir Kramnik.

Capablanca-Fan
24-05-2009, 02:48 AM
its terrific seeing Shirov finally emerge from relative obscurity after the Kasparov-Shirov match didn't happen.
That was indeed a gross injustice; Shirov was cheated there, and ended up getting nothing from beating Kramnik convincingly while the loser got a fair payment.

So maybe he will repeat the great success in this tourney?

Tony Dowden
24-05-2009, 10:39 AM
Shirov defeats Carlsen and wins the tournament!

I don't know what to make of this wild last round game really. Black goes three pawns down for a big attack and although black's practical record after white accepts the third pawn has been good, this seems to have been inflated by suspect white play.

A good come-back for Alexei Shirov after bombing in the 2008 Tal Memorial.

In the deciding Shirov-Carlsen game it looks like opening up the long diagonal with 25...e3 was logical with unclear play in the offing. But what baffles me is why would Carlsen entertain complications against Shirov (of all people) when he is half a point ahead. Maybe young Magnus is an 18 year-old teenager and needs to learn these lessons like other mere mortals?

The Bilbao Grand Slam - now limited to just four places - will seem a bit lop-sided and unrepresentative with Topalov, Karjakin, Shirov and Grischuk - but none of Anand, Carlsen, Aronian or Kramnik.

Kevin Bonham
24-05-2009, 03:09 PM
That was indeed a gross injustice; Shirov was cheated there, and ended up getting nothing from beating Kramnik convincingly while the loser got a fair payment.

There was an offer to him to play the match against Kasparov which he rejected, but the prize fund was a bit of a joke ($400K/$200K).

Subsequently Kasparov stated that Shirov had turned down a match for $650K/$350K but Shirov denied having ever seen this offer.

Capablanca-Fan
24-05-2009, 05:55 PM
Shirov was entitled to a match under the conditions agreed to for his play-off with Kramnik.
Kasparov would have won it very one-sidedly.

ER
24-05-2009, 11:47 PM
I googled "Shirov wins"
First two responses re game vs Magnus Carlsen were from our Forum!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:

Capablanca-Fan
25-05-2009, 12:57 PM
I googled "Shirov wins"
First two responses re game vs Magnus Carlsen were from our Forum!!!:clap: :clap: :clap:
Probably applies only to searches from Australia though.

Kevin Bonham
25-05-2009, 02:20 PM
Yes, I tried to replicate that result but was unable to do so, even when I tried "custom" and "pages from Australia".

ER
25-05-2009, 04:53 PM
I can't remember the time of my exact seach but it was there with comments from our shoutbox by Kevin! Now I tried to reproduce it a few minutes ago but it's not there anymore, it's got chessbase on top now!
the closest i can get (but with one reference is
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&cr=countryAU&ei=BUEaSonDEoKctgOozbzWCw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=shirov+carlsen+chess+chat&spell=1

Kevin Bonham
25-05-2009, 05:01 PM
I can't remember the time of my exact seach but it was there with comments from our shoutbox by Kevin!

I was getting that at one stage but the comment by me from our shoutbox it was highlighting was two years old and nothing to do with this tournament.

I am now getting this thread as the first hit for "Shirov wins" when searching pages from Australia only, with the two year old shoutbox comments second.

ER
25-05-2009, 05:47 PM
I was getting that at one stage but the comment by me from our shoutbox it was highlighting was two years old and nothing to do with this tournament.

I am now getting this thread as the first hit for "Shirov wins" when searching pages from Australia only, with the two year old shoutbox comments second.

yes, that might as well have been the case in my original search! (which of course does not diminish the value your retrospective commentating presence! :)
Now, can I have responses to the question:
Can we seriously include Shirov to the list of potential World Champions?

Tony Dowden
25-05-2009, 08:04 PM
Kasparov would have won it very one-sidedly.


Yes, Shirov was Kasparov's bunny. I don't know what the stats are/were but I have an idea that it was something horrific like 10-0 in Garry's favour at one stage :eek:

ER
25-05-2009, 08:29 PM
Yes, Shirov was Kasparov's bunny. I don't know what the stats are/were but I have an idea that it was something horrific like 10-0 in Garry's favour at one stage :eek:
what was the respective score in Kasparov vs Kramnik encounters before the World Championship Match?

Kevin Bonham
25-05-2009, 11:25 PM
Now, can I have responses to the question:
Can we seriously include Shirov to the list of potential World Champions?

I think if he's going to have a shot he needs to do it in the current cycle while his form is good and before his strength subsides. So he needs to keep his rating up there and see if he can be one of the two players exempted into the Candidates on rating.

The lineup for the Candidates at the moment is looking like:

Loser of Anand/Topalov (qualified).
Kamsky (qualified).
Aronian (more or less a certainty from GP and if not then probably from rating anyway).
Carlsen (very likely on rating).
Somebody else on rating.
Somebody else from the Grand Prix.
Whatever womble gets lucky in the next World Cup.
Whatever womble gets a wild card from the organisers.

Shirov is certainly in the game for the "somebody else on rating"

Kevin Bonham
25-05-2009, 11:33 PM
Yes, Shirov was Kasparov's bunny. I don't know what the stats are/were but I have an idea that it was something horrific like 10-0 in Garry's favour at one stage :eek:

Shirov never defeated Kasparov in a rated game. Fritz database has the final score between them at +15=12-0 to Gazza. There may be a few that it is missing.


what was the respective score in Kasparov vs Kramnik encounters before the World Championship Match?

3-all with 14 draws according to wikipedia list (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_chess_games_between_Kasparov_and_Kramnik), which I have no reason to doubt.

Tony Dowden
28-05-2009, 10:20 PM
Shirov never defeated Kasparov in a rated game. Fritz database has the final score between them at +15=12-0 to Gazza. There may be a few that it is missing.

OK, I was discounting draws - which I shouldn't do - being quite fond of them myslef ;)

So it was 15-0? Ouch! :eek:

Ian Rout
29-05-2009, 02:07 PM
That would give Shirov about the same score as Fischer had against Spassky before the 1972 match.

Undoubtedly Kasparov would have won. Though on the other hand a fair few contests in chess and other sports would have been different if they had not taken place and instead been decided in the popular imagination on the basis of who obviously would have won.