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    CC Grandmaster Sir Cromulent Sparkles's Avatar
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    What Do I Do Wrong Here ??

    hi. hope this is the appropriate place for this.

    this was a game i played a while back and lost. i had the feeling throughout the game that i would at least get a draw, then i somehow i let the queenside pawns advance without applying sufficient pressure in the middle to neutralise those pawns and ultimately got my rook trapped on a8.

    see what you think.

    Event: FICS rated standard game
    Site: FICS
    GameBotGameNo: 5491196
    White: lubitelche
    Black: quentinfuller
    WhiteElo: 1858
    BlackElo: 1603
    TimeControl: 600+12
    Date: 2009.01.28
    WhiteClock: 0:10:00.000
    BlackClock: 0:10:00.000
    ECO: C21
    PlyCount: 83
    Result: 1-0

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    Last edited by Sir Cromulent Sparkles; 30-03-2009 at 10:31 AM.
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    Try putting some line breaks in after every 10 moves ... if there is an unbroken string of moves that is too long, it seems to break the viewer sometimes.

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    25...Be5 is inaccurate, as it lets the advantage slip away.
    27.Bxe5 is a terrible move, delivering winning advantage to black.

    Starting from move 35 I'd suggest for black to play 35...h6 to secure the king, then march pawn e with the assistance of f pawn without wasting too much time on queenside (white is not achivening anything anyway).
    41...Ra8 is obviously a tactical oversight. I'd play 41...h6.
    However, after 42.b7 Qd6 43.Rxd2 Qxd2 44.b8Q Rxb8 45.Qxb8+ it's close to a draw.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    25...Be5 is inaccurate, as it lets the advantage slip away.
    27.Bxe5 is a terrible move, delivering winning advantage to black.

    Starting from move 35 I'd suggest for black to play 35...h6 to secure the king, then march pawn e with the assistance of f pawn without wasting too much time on queenside (white is not achivening anything anyway).
    41...Ra8 is obviously a tactical oversight. I'd play 41...h6.
    However, after 42.b7 Qd6 43.Rxd2 Qxd2 44.b8Q Rxb8 45.Qxb8+ it's close to a draw.
    thanks igor, appreciate the reply.

    thanks also to snail avatar with distended right eye for help with viewer.
    (sorry snail king but by line break, you mean simply pressing enter to create a clear line between say move 9 and move 10 ? i still cant get this thing to work.)


    i definately think i should have pressed on with the central pawn push instead of worrying so much about the queenside.
    Last edited by Sir Cromulent Sparkles; 30-03-2009 at 10:01 AM.
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    Yeah, sorry, that was I.T. speak ... press enter after about 10 moves worth ... so that the game continues on a new line ... do that again after the 20th move, and so on. That will fix it.
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    CC Grandmaster Sir Cromulent Sparkles's Avatar
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    sorry but im still not getting the pgn viewer to work.

    the steps im taking involve -

    # click on pgn uploader, copy pgn file from my hard drive.

    # data appears in message with the game data enclosed with PGN /PGN in square brackets.

    # press return key after every ten moves.

    .....and i still keep getting the same result

    SORRY DISREGARD THIS POST IT SEEMS TO BE WORKING NOW. thanks again .
    Last edited by Sir Cromulent Sparkles; 30-03-2009 at 10:30 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ace vancura
    sorry but im still not getting the pgn viewer to work.

    the steps im taking involve -

    # click on pgn uploader, copy pgn file from my hard drive.

    # data appears in message with the game data enclosed with .

    # press return key after every ten moves.

    .....and i still keep getting the same result

    am i missing a step somewhere ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    Can you see Snail King's viewer?
    i seem to be able to see my pgn viewer post now, even though before i could definately see snail kings but not mine.

    the only part of the pgn viewer i was able to see before was the blue bar with "pgn viewer" written on it.

    probably just a case of my piece of rubbish computer not being bothered to load it properly.
    (dont buy an acer laptop theyre cheap and nasty)

    oh well, crisis solved.
    Last edited by Sir Cromulent Sparkles; 30-03-2009 at 10:42 AM.
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    after editing, I find I need to exit the thread and then come back in again for the changes to be effective ... probably something to do with the Javascript PGN presentation software needing to reload something.
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    i suspected as much (though it took a while for the penny to drop).

    but honestly im still happier blaming my acer.
    its nearly slower than my "ye olde" amiga 1200 was.

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    5... Bc5 is a bad mistake, because White could regain the P with great advantage with 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Qd5+.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    5... Bc5 is a bad mistake, because White could regain the P with great advantage with 6. Bxf7+ Kxf7 7. Qd5+.
    yes, that certainly goes a long way to killing off my game.

    i guess the more sedate bishop move to d6 was appropriate. is that what you would think is best even though it blocks the d pawn?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ace vancura
    i guess the more sedate bishop move to d6 was appropriate. is that what you would think is best even though it blocks the d pawn?
    No, definitely not. You'll need those Q-side pieces. 5... Bb4 and swap for the N when White castles removes some attacking force, and 5... d6 and Be7 is also playable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    No, definitely not. You'll need those Q-side pieces. 5... Bb4 and swap for the N when White castles removes some attacking force, and 5... d6 and Be7 is also playable.
    if the purpose of curtailing the knights movement is now voided due to the king finding safety through castling, do we usually take this pinned piece immediately after castling or reassign the attacking piece creating the pin to a different task.

    is there a general maxim to every situation when the pin is removed ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ace vancura
    if the purpose of curtailing the knights movement is now voided due to the king finding safety through castling, do we usually take this pinned piece immediately after castling or reassign the attacking piece creating the pin to a different task.
    The N could become a dangerous attacker with Nd5, so best to remove it once the pin is inoperative.

    In this line, it is normal to play 4... cxb2 5. Bxb2 d5 6. Bxd5 and now I like 6... Bb4+ better than Nf6.

    Quote Originally Posted by ace vancura
    is there a general maxim to every situation when the pin is removed ?
    I doubt there is a general maxim to any situation
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