View Poll Results: Is the death penalty an appropriate penalty for proven murders

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    Is the death penalty an appropriate penalty for proven murders

    Is the death penalty an appropriate penalty for proven murders?
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Is the death penalty an appropriate penalty for proven murders?
    If it is 100% certain and foolproof, then it is appropiate. Doesn't mean I would want it to occur

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Is the death penalty an appropriate penalty for proven murders?
    I need to know what you mean by "proven" to vote in the poll.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I need to know what you mean by "proven" to vote in the poll.
    Proven means proven. It is meant to get away from "what if an innocent is executed?" to see if this is a real objection, or whether one opposes capital punishment per se.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Proven means proven. It is meant to get away from "what if an innocent is executed?" to see if this is a real objection, or whether one opposes capital punishment per se.
    Is it OK if I add "probably" and "probably not" to the poll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Is it OK if I add "probably" and "probably not" to the poll?
    Sure, go ahead.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronD
    If it is 100% certain and foolproof, then it is appropiate. Doesn't mean I would want it to occur
    I would only seriously consider applying capital punishment in the case of 100% certainty of guilt.First degree murder,pre-meditated and planned etc would fit the criteria of one of the worst crimes.
    I opposed capital punishment at one time.I have certainly moved in the other direction over the years.
    A Catholic friend says,How do we know we have the right to do it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Met
    A Catholic friend says, How do we know we have the right to do it?
    Simple, as I've explained. Intentionally taking an innocent life means one's own life is forfeit.
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    I believe the death penalty is barbaric and brutalises those employing it. If you were looking for a job and a vacancy for Executioner was advertised, would you apply?

    There is a well-balanced article on the debate at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_debate

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    Killing is not a punishment, it is a crime. You might as well ask if rape is an appropriate penalty for a rapist. Of course not. Two wrongs do not make a right.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray
    I believe the death penalty is barbaric and brutalises those employing it.
    I think life is trivialized if taking it is not punished by forfeiture of life. It is barbaric to allow murderers to live and likely kill again.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray
    There is a well-balanced article on the debate at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capital_punishment_debate
    Wikipedia? Give me a break!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Killing is not a punishment, it is a crime.
    It is not always a crime, but only where it violates the law. Killing in self-defence is not a crime in many places, and a lawful execution is not a crime by definition.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    You might as well ask if rape is an appropriate penalty for a rapist. Of course not.
    But imprisonment is an appropriate punishment for someone who imprisons an innocent (i.e. kidnapping). Fining or forcibly taking someone's else's property is an appropriate punishment for theft or robbery, which is forcibly taking someone's else's property.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Two wrongs do not make a right.
    This is begging the question.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    I think life is trivialized if taking it is not punished by forfeiture of life. It is barbaric to allow murderers to live and likely kill again.
    Killing is barbaric.

    Do you think murderers are normal well-adjusted people?

    Do you think executioners are normal well-adjusted people?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray
    Killing is barbaric.
    Not always. We already know that you don't even approve of lethal force against someone still holding an axe who has already taken a swing. Perhaps the Allies shouldn't have gone to war against Hitler?

    My own view is that killing innocents is barbaric, and allowing murderers to live and kill more innocents is barbaric.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray
    Do you think murderers are normal well-adjusted people?
    No, people who deserve to have their lives forfeited.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray
    Do you think executioners are normal well-adjusted people?
    Some jobs are unpleasant but need to be done, e.g. armed police and soldiers who may likewise have to kill people in the course of their duties.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Sure, go ahead.
    Done and voted for "probably not" along the lines discussed in the other thread.

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