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    Quote Originally Posted by Saragossa
    At what level do you think that deep knowledge of a certain opening compensates for it's bad statistics. some defences have like 58% and higher wins for white so does deep knowledge at club level compensate or are you just making it harder for yourself?
    A great deal depends on the opponent's knowledge of the opening (or even of genral opening principles) and his playing strength. Thus a strong club player with a good knowledge of a statistically weak opening can still expect to do well with it especially against weaker club players. It's a different thing at elite level where players are more evenly matched.

    I'll cite a couple of examples that I think I have mentioned on Chess Chat before.

    a. When I played as St Kilda CC, Melbourne in the 1960s one of the club's leading players regularly played the fairly weak Sokolsky (or whatever you like to call it): 1.b4. He knew it well and was successful, despite everyone knowing he used it, because he was just a better player. Moreover there was little available theory on it at the time.

    b. One of the main lines (still) for White against the Latvian Gambit was found by Smyslov over the board years ago. He had never the seen the opening before but was so strong a player he could work it out from his general opening knowledge. He also had the advantage of having a bit longer to think because of the slower time limits then used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saragossa
    At what level do you think that deep knowledge of a certain opening compensates for it's bad statistics. some defences have like 58% and higher wins for white so does deep knowledge at club level compensate or are you just making it harder for yourself?
    I forget whose quote it was but there is a quote that at club level almost any opening is playable. Specialists in dodgy lines often score much better with them than they deserve.

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    not necessarily coz a bishop or knight cannot return to the square the pawn previously occupied prior to the promotion - there caught you out there. whereas a Queen and rook on promotion could return to prior square. Giving the promotion colour another move. A knight or bishop may not have a legal move.

    (if I have not fooled myyself I have caught you out)
    You have fooled yourself since your previous question was hopelessly badly worded. It now looks like you're referring to a case where a player promotes to bishop or knight then winds up stalemated on their next turn as a result of so doing. In that case the promotion move is still legal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I forget whose quote it was but there is a quote that at club level almost any opening is playable. Specialists in dodgy lines often score much better with them than they deserve.



    You have fooled yourself since your previous question was hopelessly badly worded. It now looks like you're referring to a case where a player promotes to bishop or knight then winds up stalemated on their next turn as a result of so doing. In that case the promotion move is still legal.
    But are there any games where that happened, must be of course?

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    But are there any games where that happened, must be of course?
    Not sure. Would have to be pretty unusual since the promoting piece would need to be blocked from moving to any other squares by its own pieces, at least as you describe it. Perhaps, say, a stalemated black king on g2 and black plays h1=B, and nothing white can do gives check or lifts the stalemate. But I doubt whether it has ever happened in a serious game. Sounds more like something you'd make an artificial problem out of.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Not sure. Would have to be pretty unusual since the promoting piece would need to be blocked from moving to any other squares by its own pieces, at least as you describe it. Perhaps, say, a stalemated black king on g2 and black plays h1=B, and nothing white can do gives check or lifts the stalemate. But I doubt whether it has ever happened in a serious game. Sounds more like something you'd make an artificial problem out of.
    could it be furthered complicated by promoting king being on 8th rank and the defending colour moves a piece out of way (after promotion) so that the promoted knight cannot move away or move its king in the vacant square either out of range or would be into check?

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    could it be furthered complicated by promoting king being on 8th rank and the defending colour moves a piece out of way (after promotion) so that the promoted knight cannot move away or move its king in the vacant square either out of range or would be into check?
    http://www.xs4all.nl/~timkr/chess2/minor.htm

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    thanks very mcuh will check out tomorrow

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    Ivanchuk has excaped sanctions for refusing drug test. The same guy who convicted our Shaun let Ivanchuk off for exactly the same refusal.

    In Shaun's case apparently the result was written up in local paper even before the "trial" had been held.

    Ivanchuk got off coz the request was made in English and not in Ukrainian, but the request was translated to him but the "judges" said they did not know about that and the result may have been different if they did know.

    If only I could get past KB's barrings like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    Ivanchuk has excaped sanctions for refusing drug test. The same guy who convicted our Shaun let Ivanchuk off for exactly the same refusal.

    In Shaun's case apparently the result was written up in local paper even before the "trial" had been held.

    Ivanchuk got off coz the request was made in English and not in Ukrainian, but the request was translated to him but the "judges" said they did not know about that and the result may have been different if they did know.

    If only I could get past KB's barrings like this.
    In that respect, he was actually Papua New Guinea's Shaun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Denis_Jessop
    In that respect, he was actually Papua New Guinea's Shaun.

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    Is is all in Ian Rogers chess column in Byron Echo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    Is is all in Ian Rogers chess column in Byron Echo.
    The point that I was making was that Shaun was a member of the PNG Olympiad team and it was in his capacity as a FIDE-registered PNG player that he was asked to take a test. I note that Ian decscribed him as "Canberra's" which may be so; but not for this purpose.

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    FRom the SMH

    Paul Gascoigne, who I loved as a player and for drop kicking those silly buggers, now unfortunately has become an alcoholic.

    He rang his dad claiming that they will play chess against Presidents Clinton and Bush - but Paul did not even have a chess board. Bush was busy but Clinton was getting back to him.

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    Before I found in the Aust Encly how F Flatow's chess was described as "misunderstood" and nobody could tell me why.

    I was looking up Aust Chess in the 80s today and under a photo of Fred and Doug Hamilton had said exactly the same thing.

    CAn anyone ask Doug one day why he thought that?

    I will desist from any comments of Mr Barber and all the long hairs there.

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    In this weeks Ian Rogers column (in Byron Echo do search) he raves on about odd successful play of a D Suttles, never heard of him. There is a book out about Suttles called Chess on the Edge see www.suttlesbook.com

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    Bill claims in shoutbox that only if a king and rook left that one would be very unlikely to castle. But if at other end of rank was opposing King and then Queen of course one would castle,as well maybe one's king may not be able proceed out of way to forward rank

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