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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    In Australia footy is our religion so could a baker refuse to make a cake with the Cane Toads motif on it?
    The thing I find curious about the cake thing is that the wedding cake is not an integral part of the wedding ceremony, indeed usually the cake is involved in the subsequent party and not the actual ceremony at all. As such it is baked for a couple who will be already married when they use it.

    In any case it will be interesting to see if Kath's business survives the bad publicity.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Paul Kelly, The Australian, 27 Sept 2017:
    Claims of the Yes camp that this plebiscite is just about gay marriage are intellectual fraud. They are designed to deliberately mislead. The real issue is about competing rights. In essence, it is about how our nation will manage and reconcile competing rights. It is about whether same-sex marriage will be legalised with or without the loss of other rights. ... The idea we legislate same-sex marriage and nothing else happens — as the Yes case pretends — is surely the joke of the year. How long can people tell us this with a straight face?"
    So it's now almost twelve months later. What else has happened as a result of the legalisation of same-sex marriage, apart from same-sex couples now being able to marry? What other rights have been lost as a direct result of that legalisation?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    So it's now almost twelve months later. What else has happened as a result of the legalisation of same-sex marriage, apart from same-sex couples now being able to marry? What other rights have been lost as a direct result of that legalisation?
    Only collateral damage I can think of is Malcolm losing the prime ministership.
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Only collateral damage I can think of is Malcolm losing the prime ministership.
    good bye malcolm I think you only achieved one goal and that is marriage equality, you were more suited for the ALP after all
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    'Please leave us': Archbishop tells same-sex marriage supporters to abandon Anglican church
    SMH, October 15, 2019

    Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Glenn Davies has told Anglican supporters of same-sex marriage they should leave the church rather than "betray God's word" in a scathing speech condemning progressive elements within the faith. ...

    Dr Davies said to bless same-sex unions would be to "betray God's word". He conceded "our view of marriage is not a popular one in Australia" and was also now contrary to the law.

    "Nonetheless, God's intention for marriage has not changed. We honour him when we abide by his instruction. We cannot bless same-sex marriages for the simple reason that we cannot bless sin," Dr Davies said. ...
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    'Please leave us': Archbishop tells same-sex marriage supporters to abandon Anglican church
    SMH, October 15, 2019

    Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Glenn Davies has told Anglican supporters of same-sex marriage they should leave the church rather than "betray God's word" in a scathing speech condemning progressive elements within the faith. ...

    Dr Davies said to bless same-sex unions would be to "betray God's word". He conceded "our view of marriage is not a popular one in Australia" and was also now contrary to the law.

    "Nonetheless, God's intention for marriage has not changed. We honour him when we abide by his instruction. We cannot bless same-sex marriages for the simple reason that we cannot bless sin," Dr Davies said. ...
    are they conceding that their God created this particular type of sin? Or is that a theological question and therefore in the wrong thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    are they conceding that their God created this particular type of sin? Or is that a theological question and therefore in the wrong thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    are they conceding that their God created this particular type of sin? Or is that a theological question and therefore in the wrong thread?
    The bit that caught my eye was it being called a sin to be same sex married specifically. Previously I have heard it claimed that it was the act of homosexual sex itself that was the sin.

    I've also heard that the church(es) wouldn't recognise the marriage. But I don't think I've heard this bit about the marriage itself being a sin.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    good bye malcolm I think you only achieved one goal and that is marriage equality, you were more suited for the ALP after all
    You got that right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    are they conceding that their God created this particular type of sin? Or is that a theological question and therefore in the wrong thread?
    The short answer here is that God does not create or cause sin. It always comes ultimately from satan.
    God exists. Short and to the point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamski View Post
    The short answer here is that God does not create or cause sin. It always comes ultimately from satan.
    I've replied in a new thread in the Religion section.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    'Please leave us': Archbishop tells same-sex marriage supporters to abandon Anglican church
    SMH, October 15, 2019
    Anglican Archbishop of Sydney Glenn Davies has told Anglican supporters of same-sex marriage they should leave the church rather than "betray God's word" in a scathing speech condemning progressive elements within the faith. ... "Nonetheless, God's intention for marriage has not changed. We honour him when we abide by his instruction. We cannot bless same-sex marriages for the simple reason that we cannot bless sin," Dr Davies said. ...
    An ironic claim to come from the Anglican Church, a church founded on divorce, which Jesus explicitly rejects - except for adultery.

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    Anglican Church leader seems to have a very clear stance regarding this matter!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    An ironic claim to come from the Anglican Church, a church founded on divorce, which Jesus explicitly rejects - except for adultery.
    True enough. This was one of the few things that Martin Luther and Thomas More agreed upon: that King Henry VIII's divorce of Catherine of Aragon was wrong. Henry argued that the marriage was wrong to start with because of the OT prohibition on marrying one's brother's wife. But Henry didn't do that—he married his brother's widow, which was not only not forbidden, but also encouraged as levirate marriage.

    Jesus also said that marriage = one man + one woman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    There would be little chance of Abbott playing up with his sister in law
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