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    Coalition unveils $6.3bn broadband plan

    THE Coalition will spend $6.31 billion over seven years to provide Australians with faster broadband using a mix of technologies.
    My first impression - Coalition will waste only $6.3B instead of $43B.
    Improvement (lower interest bill and lower capital waste expenditure) over Labor white elephant, but still $6.3B short of being attractive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    THE Coalition will spend $6.31 billion over seven years to provide Australians with faster broadband using a mix of technologies.
    My first impression - Coalition will waste only $6.3B instead of $43B.
    Improvement (lower interest bill and lower capital waste expenditure) over Labor white elephant, but still $6.3B short of being attractive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    THE Coalition will spend $6.31 billion over seven years to provide Australians with faster broadband using a mix of technologies.
    My first impression - Coalition will waste only $6.3B instead of $43B.
    Improvement (lower interest bill and lower capital waste expenditure) over Labor white elephant, but still $6.3B short of being attractive.
    I thought the government was only spending $26B on the NBN the rest being souced from the private sector?

    BTW you missed the best bit of the coalition plan:

    97% of household will have the achieved baseline 12Mbps by 2016

    Whoopeee by 2016 that should be the equivalent of today's dial-up speeds. (12Mbps maximum theoretical speed of ADSL2, depending on distance from the exchange some households might be lucky to get half that).

    They mention max speeds of up to 100Mbps in the article but I don't see a figure for the percentage of households covered. Anybody got any idea? The NBN is supposed to deliver 100Mbps to 93% of households

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker
    I thought the government was only spending $26B on the NBN the rest being souced from the private sector?
    And how likely private sector to provide the rest voluntary ?


    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker
    97% of household will have the achieved baseline 12Mbps by 2016

    Whoopeee by 2016 that should be the equivalent of today's dial-up speeds. (12Mbps maximum theoretical speed of ADSL2, depending on distance from the exchange some households might be lucky to get half that).

    They mention max speeds of up to 100Mbps in the article but I don't see a figure for the percentage of households covered. Anybody got any idea? The NBN is supposed to deliver 100Mbps to 93% of households
    I don't think any of those figures are relevant. Reliable 1.5 Mbps is quite good, I doubt many will want to pay for more then 10Mbps.
    Wireless broadband is already around 3.6 Mbps mark.

    If you want faster then that - pay from your own pocket, I don't appreciate thieves trying to put their hands in mine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Thanks Boris

    Confimred that the policy doesn't say of the 97% of housholds covered, how many will be getting the minimum 12Mbps by 2016 and how many will actually get 100Mbps networks.

    A lot of the policy is based on Wireless Networks

    Currently Telstra offers 10GB download limit (typical speeds 550Kbps to a max of 8Mpbs) for a whopping $100 per month on a 24 month contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker
    Currently Telstra offers 10GB download limit (typical speeds 550Kbps to a max of 8Mpbs) for a whopping $100 per month on a 24 month contract.
    And the point is?
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    100Mbps is a very big pipe. You can do synchronous replication of very large datasets over distance over a much smaller pipe.

    To say that households need it is a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    And how likely private sector to provide the rest voluntary ?.
    Dunno, but I'd say very likely provided the right financial instrument used to attract that investment. Like a fixed dividend preference share.

    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    I don't think any of those figures are relevant. Reliable 1.5 Mbps is quite good, I doubt many will want to pay for more then 10Mbps. Wireless broadband is already around 3.6 Mbps mark..
    I already get reliable actual speed of 12-15Mbps at home (ADSL2+ and close to the exchange).

    On the occasions I have to use wireless it is acceptable in terms of speed, but for how much longer.

    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    If you want faster then that - pay from your own pocket, I don't appreciate thieves trying to put their hands in mine.
    Typically ungrateful, you are quite happy to take advantage of the public infrastructure and institutions provided for you by past generations of Australian tax payers, so that you can earn an income and enjoy the benefits of this great country. But as soon as someone asks you to invest in future generations by building infrastructure you call it stealing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker
    Typically ungrateful, you are quite happy to take advantage of the public infrastructure and institutions provided for you by past generations of Australian tax payers, so that you can earn an income and enjoy the benefits of this great country. But as soon as someone asks you to invest in future generations by building infrastructure you call it stealing.
    I am paying my way (which includes infrastructure as well), as well as a lot tax, instead of sucking on welfare tit - so nick off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    And the point is?
    It's expensive and slow in comparison to cable and ADSL2+

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    100Mbps is a very big pipe. You can do synchronous replication of very large datasets over distance over a much smaller pipe.

    To say that households need it is a joke.
    Good point. I especially like the word "need".
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker
    It's expensive and slow in comparison to cable and ADSL2+
    Slow - maybe, even though it's relative. I can say that anything less then a Gigabit is a slow, so what? The word is cheap, if you want faster Internet - pay for it, I am happy with what I have.

    As for expensive - shop around for much better deals that what Telstra offers. If you base a policy on Testra prices along, you can justify almost any waste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    I am paying my way (which includes infrastructure as well), as well as a lot tax, instead of sucking on welfare tit - so nick off.
    I don't deny that, but don't go around call paying your way being robbed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheJoker
    I don't deny that, but don't go around call paying your way being robbed.
    Paying my way is fine, taxing me for waste is not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    Slow - maybe, even though it's relative. I can say that anything less then a Gigabit is a slow, so what? The word is cheap, if you want faster Internet - pay for it, I am happy with what I have.
    It's not about you being happy with what you have. It's about building a network that will support the needs of future generations

    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    As for expensive - shop around for much better deals that what Telstra offers. If you base a policy on Testra prices along, you can justify almost any waste.
    Wireless is expensive, compared with other technologies offered by any ISP Telstra or otherwise

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