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    Defunding police

    More guns and prisons are not a solution to racial disparity. Could defunding the police be the answer?

    A common catchcry at Black Lives Matter rallies in the United States is the demand to “defund the police”. Although the organisational structure and funding of police in the US is different from Australia ... the call raises important and troubling questions about the nature of policing and the possibility (and impossibility) of reform. ...

    “Defund the police” is a demand for divestment from police, particularly at the state and local levels, and a reallocation of those resources into community development – housing, healthcare and education. As the Movement for Black Lives (M4BL) puts it, “more officers, guns, jails and prisons are not a solution to longstanding problems of racial disparities, injustice and police violence”.

    This basic proposition has also informed Indigenous community initiatives in Australia – that we need to stop investing in seemingly never-ending criminal justice responses to social, economic and political issues and refocus our resources on community support and development. We see this approach in action in places like Bourke, Halls Creek and Port Adelaide, often under the banner of justice reinvestment. ...

    The idea that police derive their legitimacy from the consent of citizens has never applied to Aboriginal people. The consent of the colonised for their own dispossession was never sought nor given. Indeed, Indigenous claims of sovereignty remain as strong as ever and were most recently reaffirmed in the Uluru Statement from the Heart.

    Aboriginal sovereignty claims contest state policing. Here are two examples: the governance of community safety through self-policing and the legal challenge to the state’s right to exercise jurisdiction over Indigenous people (referred to as “no jurisdiction” cases). ...

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    While police officers are sworn 'to protect and serve', clearly that protection and service do not apply to all sectors of society. There are alternative public safety methods which have been used successfully.

    To Stop Police Brutality, Do We Need to Stop Policing?

    ... Calls for ending the police are not calls for anarchy, Wild West law and order, or vigilante justice. It’s not about dismantling, or even disarming, law enforcement. Rather, the concept involves ending the confrontational, us-versus-them police culture—and the anti-cop, snitches-get-stitches ethos that exists in some neighborhoods—by both encouraging and empowering communities to police themselves. It involves using ancient social practices like restorative justice—bringing crime victim and perpetrator together to work things out—and modern ideas, such as hiring gang members and ex-convicts to stop street violence and keep the peace. At its heart, it involves changing the unhealthy but accepted societal norms at the root of street crime—which leads to heavy-handed law enforcement, which leads to mistrust of police. ...

    Alternatives to the police

    ... “Most of our communities already exist without policing. Most of our human interactions are already outside of the purview of police officers, Most of the social relationships between people do not require police intervention”.

    While a complete abolition of the police system would require a change in social order, some alternatives to the current police system set out to empower people to keep their communities safe, while encouraging everyone to live lives that are free of violence and oppression. A society with little or no policing requires strong community organizations to mediate and react to conflict when it does occur.

    Restorative justice

    Restorative justice, as an example of an alternative to police, has a long history in Canada, particularly within Indigenous communities. It traditionally lessens the state’s role in dealing with crime, and focuses on methods like mediation, dialogue, and reconciliation, instead of punishment. ...

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    Leftists: the population should be disarmed; only the police should have guns.

    Also leftists: we should defund the police because they are racist.
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    Degun the population
    Defund the National Rifle Association but they are funded by Russia
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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    But Ian , some people's sense of injustice hits a roadblock at yesterday.
    They are very happy to keep stolen land but scream at every little misdemeanor they see on low brow TV like someone knocking off some cancer sticks that should be illegal anyway.
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    Defund police, bring in militias, neo nazi and Antifa scum to keep order!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    Defund police, bring in militias, neo nazi and Antifa scum to keep order!
    Or use the Hells Angels like the Stones did all those years ago
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Or use the Hells Angels like the Stones did all those years ago
    exactly and all (not so angelic) hell broke lose at Altamont!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    exactly and all (not so angelic) hell broke lose at Altamont!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ER View Post
    Defund police, bring in militias, neo nazi and Antifa scum to keep order!
    Exactly!!!
    So who will make sure that criminals are brought to justice.

    To those who want to defund police...why not defund the Indigenous communities entirely?
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Exactly!!! So who will make sure that criminals are brought to justice. ...
    Maybe you should read what Ian actually posted
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    ... Calls for ending the police are not calls for anarchy, Wild West law and order, or vigilante justice. It’s not about dismantling, or even disarming, law enforcement. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Exactly!!!
    So who will make sure that criminals are brought to justice.

    To those who want to defund police...why not defund the Indigenous communities entirely?
    but then who's going to finance their legal representation now that we have situations such as this couple of their advocates
    having to face the music accused of being very naughty boys and allegedly trying to pervert the course of justice??

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    An 8-year-old was handcuffed for carrying a stick. The case is one of dozens of NYPD complaints, review board finds

    An 8-year-old boy handcuffed for carrying a stick. An 11-year-old black boy stopped and frisked after a handshake. A 17-year-old black boy pushed up against a fence for carrying a backpack.
    These are just a few recent substantiated allegations of misconduct against New York Police Department officers, according to a report by the Civilian Complaint Review Board (CCRB), a city agency that investigates and delivers findings on police misconduct complaints.
    The CCRB report released Monday examines 112 fully investigated complaints involving young New Yorkers between January 2018 and June 2019. Taken together, they illustrate the fraught relationship between police and young people of color and illustrates one reason people are protesting against systemic racism in policing.

    "Sadly, after years of witnessing news about police misconduct and possibly experiencing it themselves, even the youngest among us have an awareness of the tension that too often exists between the police and civilians," ...

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    The movement to wind back policing has taken on a life of its own over the last couple of weeks.

    Some points to ponder:

    • Traffic safety doesn't require armed police. Give unarmed traffic patrols the power to write infringement notices, reducing a lot of police hours.

    • Domestic violence calls, welfare checks, the mentally ill and the homeless etc can be better handled by social services

    • Decriminalise victimless crimes (drug use, prostitution, offensive language, public drunkenness etc), which at the same times takes all such criminals off the streets and the need for them to be confronted by armed police. And keeps petty crime out of the courts and prison system.

    Take away all those costs and police can be seriously defunded, with the savings better spent elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    The movement to wind back policing has taken on a life of its own over the last couple of weeks.

    Some points to ponder:

    • Traffic safety doesn't require armed police. Give unarmed traffic patrols the power to write infringement notices, reducing a lot of police hours.

    • Domestic violence calls, welfare checks, the mentally ill and the homeless etc can be better handled by social services

    • Decriminalise victimless crimes (drug use, prostitution, offensive language, public drunkenness etc), which at the same times takes all such criminals off the streets and the need for them to be confronted by armed police. And keeps petty crime out of the courts and prison system.

    Take away all those costs and police can be seriously defunded, with the savings better spent elsewhere
    Drug use is victimless crime? And how about drug selling? And how about resisting those who are high on drugs?
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