View Poll Results: Which move would you play as White?

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  • 2.Re1+

    19 79.17%
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    Two legal moves - both win - which do you choose?

    This is problem 30632 at ChessTempo.com.

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    Black plays 1...Rd1+? leaving White with two legal moves 2.Re1+ and 2.Bxd1, both are winning positions. Which would you choose?

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    wow, I just saw the results and was celebrating cauz i was with the majority (100% mind you?) for first time in my entire life! Then I realised I was the only voter!
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    Win Rook

    Re1+ because it wins a whole Rook.
    Bxd1 is harder to win after ...Rxe6, Bb3 Kf7, Bxe6+ Kxe6. Black has active king so ending could be more complex to win.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamski
    Re1+ because it wins a whole Rook.
    Bxd1 is harded to win after ...Rxe6, Bb3 Kf7, Bxe6+ Kxe6. Black has active king so ending could be more complex to win.
    Agreed.
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    *hits head on desk* I spent five minutes looking at this problem, going 'why can't black take the rook on e1 and it's mate!'

    ahhh too little sleep!

    But yeah, i'd play Re1. A whole rook advantage is way better!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adamski
    Bxd1 is harder to win after ...Rxe6, Bb3 Kf7, Bxe6+ Kxe6. Black has active king so ending could be more complex to win.
    No hurry to grab the rook, move your king up, let him waste a move and then take the rook next move. This is the simpler win IMO.
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    Seems like Re1+ is pretty clear but I keep looking for some tricky trick to pop out LOL....I even looked at 1....Rd5 and 1.....Re6. Nope, they don't work

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    Maybe it says something about players' personalities. Bd1 looks more clear-cut in that you can precisely map out the winning process after the exchanges, but I suspect I would play Re1 as it's a safer win in the position a piece up but you could misjudge the pawn ending and end up a tempo short. Also the opponent might just resign after Re1 whereas after Bd1 they could be tempted to check out your technique.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    No hurry to grab the rook, move your king up, let him waste a move and then take the rook next move.
    All true.

    This is the simpler win IMO.
    I have no doubt that someone of your strength would find it simple. But a player a few hundred points lower might go wrong in the P ending, while he would likely win after 2. Re1+ Kf8 3. Rxd1 with an extra B+P. E.g. if 3... Re2 then simply 4. Rb1 is possible followed by Kf1-e1 driving the R off the 2nd rank, or better 4. Kf1 Rxb5. Rd7 cleaning up lots of Black's Ps.
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    Yeah
    i've stuffed up many a pawn ending

    so i'd just take the rook and hope they resign soon!

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    What about a third option; play neither move. This sometimes encourages people to resign.

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    No one's going to resign after they have just played check!
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    Thanks for your responses. I personally prefer the king-and-pawn endgame.

    Lets consider 1... Rd1+ 2. Bxd1 Rxe6 3. Bb3 Kf7 4. f4 Ke7 5. Bxe6 Kxe6. By the way, 4. Bxe6+ also wins similarly, but it's best to avoid wasting time.

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    White to move.

    I think this is a very instructive position. Anyone who thinks this is a difficult win for White - I recommend playing it against your computer for practice. Similar positions will come up in tournament play.

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    I wouldn't think much about which wins more easily since both win very easily.

    I'd play Re1+ because it's more artistic.
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    I'd play Re1+, more fun.

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