View Poll Results: Who will win? (This poll asks who will win, not who do you want to win)

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  • Clinton (350+ EC votes)

    2 18.18%
  • Clinton (300-349 EC votes)

    5 45.45%
  • Clinton (270-299 EC votes)

    2 18.18%
  • Trump (270-299 EC votes)

    0 0%
  • Trump (300-349 EC votes) - CORRECT

    1 9.09%
  • Trump (350+ EC votes)

    1 9.09%
  • No electoral college majority

    0 0%
  • Someone else

    0 0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Oh, this again. Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew and conservative who didn't vote for Trump, despises Bannon with ample justification but denies that he is antisemitic or racist.
    John Weaver and Adam Schiff, both long-time republicans use the word anti-semite to describe Bannon, so what's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Not exactly what he said, but I think Shapiro is reliable so it is reasonable to distrust Bannon and Breitbart.
    Shapiro has recently (August 2016) described Breitbart as "a cesspool of the alt-right" and said in the same article that as a moverment the alt-right is "shot through with racism and anti-Semitism". He also blames Bannon as the guy who took a once reasonable outlet and let it become the racist, anti-semitic cesspool that he claims that it is now.

    So either Bannon is an anti-semite or he provides the platform for a lot of anti-semitic content to be published on Breitbart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
    John Weaver and Adam Schiff, both long-time republicans use the word anti-semite to describe Bannon, so what's your point?
    That they are wrong. By crying wolf on this, they discredit other claims of Bannon's major flaws as Shapiro explains.
    Leftist logic:
    • People are born male, but can change to female.
    • Gender is fluid, but we should vote for Hillary because she's biologically female.
    • People are born white, but can change to black.
    • People are born homosexual, but can never change.
    • Allahu akbar is Arabic for “Nothing to do with Islam”

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    The Press vs. the President
    Choosing sides is no substitute for thinking
    KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON, 19 February 2017

    The problem with the man currently leading the Republican party is that he is, as the Washington Post puts it, a hostage to the “fanatical policies of the extreme right.” His administration “insults women” and his unwelcome presence in public life “insults us all.” And, because the Republican party is all about the winning these days, the GOP establishment is “ready to forgive” . . . what? . . . “just about anything — as long as he wins.”

    So says the Post, which is not alone in this estimate: Extreme on economic issues, extreme on the so-called social issues, he even has had an “extreme foreign-policy makeover,” according to The Atlantic. His views on immigration, MSNBC says, represent the Republican party “shrinking down to its most extreme elements.” One cable-news panelist insists he was the most extreme Republican presidential candidate ever. Paul Krugman laments that he has forsaken all serious policy thinking for “dangerous fantasy.” Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times is also alert to the “dangers” he presents, the “most dangerous of all” being his views on Iran, though Kristof also worries that he is too buddy-buddy with that awful, scheming Benjamin Netanyahu. Predictably, Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow dogpiled him for his perplexing relationship with Moscow. Vice calls him a “sociopath” and Maureen Dowd dismissed him as “an out-of-touch plutocrat” who keeps “his true nature . . . buried where we can’t see it,” a devious figure who is so awful deep down inside that he “must hide an essential part of who he is” from the public.

    President Mitt Romney sounds like he would have been a riot. Alas, his presidency never came to pass, thanks in no small part to the hysteria chronicled above. Every Republican president is “the most extreme ever,” or so Democrats and their media friends insist. (“We do always say that,” one Democratic friend acknowledged. “And it is always true.” Well … )

    We deserve a better press, and a better president, too. If you are the sort of partisan who cannot entertain the possibility that both of these things may be true at the same time, then you ought to consider the possibility that you are one of the reasons why we do not have a better press or a better president.
    Leftist logic:
    • People are born male, but can change to female.
    • Gender is fluid, but we should vote for Hillary because she's biologically female.
    • People are born white, but can change to black.
    • People are born homosexual, but can never change.
    • Allahu akbar is Arabic for “Nothing to do with Islam”

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    That they are wrong. By crying wolf on this, they discredit other claims of Bannon's major flaws as Shapiro explains.
    Ipse dixit. There are plenty of people on both sides calling Bannon an anti-semite and even your witness (Shapiro) says the Breitbart site has become a cesspool of the alt-right with which shot-through with anti-semitism under Bannon's watch.
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    Thumbs up

    Given that Trump has eight Jewish grandchildren, and that his new ambassador called out the UN for its bigoted antisemitism by singling out Israel rather than North Korea and Iran for human rights violations, it's absurd to call Trump an antisemite. Here is Ambassador Nikki Haley on the UN kakistocracy:

    The Security Council is supposed to discuss how to maintain international peace and security. But at our meeting on the Middle East, the discussion was not about Hezbollah’s illegal build-up of rockets in Lebanon. It was not about the money and weapons Iran provides to terrorists. It was not about how we defeat ISIS. It was not about how we hold Bashar al-Assad accountable for the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of civilians. No, instead, the meeting focused on criticizing Israel, the one true democracy in the Middle East. I am new around here, but I understand that's how the Council has operated, month after month, for decades.

    I'm here to say the United States will not turn a blind eye to this anymore. I am here to underscore the ironclad support of the United States for Israel. I'm here to emphasize the United States is determined to stand up to the UN's anti-Israel bias.
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    Leftist logic:
    • People are born male, but can change to female.
    • Gender is fluid, but we should vote for Hillary because she's biologically female.
    • People are born white, but can change to black.
    • People are born homosexual, but can never change.
    • Allahu akbar is Arabic for “Nothing to do with Islam”

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    And Jono continues to ignore the problem that it is Bannon that everyone agrees is an antisemite and the one who is really running policy in the Whitehouse.
    So einfach wie möglich, aber nicht einfacher - Albert Einstein

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Given that Trump has eight Jewish grandchildren, and that his new ambassador called out the UN for its bigoted antisemitism by singling out Israel rather than North Korea and Iran for human rights violations, ...
    But not Saudi Arabia? This administration is as hypocritical as any previous.

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