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  • Clinton (350+ EC votes)

    2 18.18%
  • Clinton (300-349 EC votes)

    5 45.45%
  • Clinton (270-299 EC votes)

    2 18.18%
  • Trump (270-299 EC votes)

    0 0%
  • Trump (300-349 EC votes) - CORRECT

    1 9.09%
  • Trump (350+ EC votes)

    1 9.09%
  • No electoral college majority

    0 0%
  • Someone else

    0 0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Are you saying that nobody would involuntarily lose coverage under Trumpcare?
    Are you denying that under Obamovcare, despites Obamov's repeated promise "If you like your health plan, you can keep it", millions did lose their health plan? Evidently you are denying that that millions of those will "lose coverage" never wanted that sort of coverage in the first place.
    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
    The Left: We shouldn't judge all Muslims by the actions of a few thousand.

    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Are you denying that under Obamovcare, despites Obamov's repeated promise "If you like your health plan, you can keep it", millions did lose their health plan? Evidently you are denying that that millions of those will "lose coverage" never wanted that sort of coverage in the first place.
    We've had this argument before:
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    In this case, the difference between using "all" instead of the correct "many" is that you've erased over a million people who will have their health coverage removed by Trump and the Republicans despite wanting to keep it - the whole point of my argument!
    If over a million people involuntarily lost their healthcare, then Trump broke that promise - along with several others on healthcare. Thus McCain has a good justification for breaking his promise. What Obama did is irrelevant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    A lot of conservatives like Ted Cruz and Rand Paul were not happy with the Skinny Repeal and such, precisely because the Republicans—including McCain as above—campaigned unambiguously for repeal and replace. But they were prepared to go along just to get some sort of repeal, even though it didn't go far enough in the direction of what the whole party had campaigned for. Rather, it was the traitors like McCain, Collins, and Murkowski who voted against the repeal in opposition to their campaigning and that of the GOP.
    We were talking about whether Strange or Moore would be conducive to the passage of bills in the senate. The healthcare points you make are irrelevant since both Strange and Moore probably would have voted for skinny repeal and probably would have voted for Graham-Cassidy too.
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    Exclamation Why Americans have finally seen that the Leftmedia is Fake News

    The 2016 Election and the Demise of Journalistic Standards
    Michael GoodwinImprimis 46(5/6), May/June 2017

    I found the whole concept appalling. What happened to fairness? What happened to standards? I’ll tell you what happened to them. The [NY] Times top editor, Dean Baquet, eliminated them. In an interview last October with the Nieman Foundation for Journalism at Harvard, Baquet admitted that the piece by his media reporter had nailed his own thinking. Trump “challenged our language,” he said, and Trump “will have changed journalism.” Of the daily struggle for fairness, Baquet had this to say: “I think that Trump has ended that struggle. . . . We now say stuff. We fact check him. We write it more powerfully that [what he says is] false.”

    Baquet was being too modest. Trump was challenging, sure, but it was Baquet who changed journalism. He’s the one who decided that the standards of fairness and nonpartisanship could be abandoned without consequence.

    With that decision, Baquet also changed the basic news story formula. To the age-old elements of who, what, when, where, and why, he added the reporter’s opinion. Now the floodgates were open, and virtually every so-called news article reflected a clear bias against Trump. Stories, photos, headlines, placement in the paper—all the tools that writers and editors have—were summoned to the battle. The goal was to pick the next president.

    Thus began the spate of stories, which continues today, in which the Times routinely calls Trump a liar in its news pages and headlines. Again, the contrast with the past is striking. The Times never called Barack Obama a liar, despite such obvious opportunities as “you can keep your doctor” and “the Benghazi attack was caused by an internet video.” Indeed, the Times and The Washington Post, along with most of the White House press corps, spent eight years cheerleading the Obama administration, seeing not a smidgen of corruption or dishonesty. They have been tougher on Hillary Clinton during her long career. But they still never called her a liar, despite such doozies as “I set up my own computer server so I would only need one device,” “I turned over all the government emails,” and “I never sent or received classified emails.” All those were lies, but not to the national media. Only statements by Trump were fair game.

    As we know now, most of the media totally missed Trump’s appeal to millions upon millions of Americans. The prejudice against him blinded those news organizations to what was happening in the country. Even more incredibly, I believe the bias and hostility directed at Trump backfired. The feeling that the election was, in part, a referendum on the media, gave some voters an extra incentive to vote for Trump. A vote for him was a vote against the media and against Washington. Not incidentally, Trump used that sentiment to his advantage, often revving up his crowds with attacks on reporters. He still does.

    If I haven’t made it clear, let me do so now. The behavior of much of the media, but especially The New York Times, was a disgrace. I don’t believe it ever will recover the public trust it squandered.

    [Michael Goodwin is the chief political columnist for The New York Post. He has a B.A. in English literature from Columbia College and has taught at the Columbia University Graduate School of Journalism. Before joining the Post in 2009, he was the political columnist for The New York Daily News, where he served as executive editor and editorial page editor and led its editorial board to a Pulitzer Prize. Prior to that, he worked for 16 years at The New York Times, beginning as a clerk and rising to City Hall Bureau Chief. He is the co-author of I, Koch and editor of New York Comes Back.]
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    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
    The Left: We shouldn't judge all Muslims by the actions of a few thousand.

    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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    Goodwin's conservative agenda means he sees the symptoms but misdiagnoses the disease. The Trump-Russia collusion problem is ramping up not down and whether it brings down Trump will be more a political rather than judicial decision but it is certainly not negligible. However the media coverage of the Clinton email server "scandal" has totally dissipated after the election. During the presidential campaign the email coverage was much more shrill and sucked up much more oxygen than the Russia collusion story. All outlets (including the NYT) but including the buffoons on Fox are guilty in that regard.
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    What an embarrassment.

    Puerto Rico: Trump paper towel-throwing 'abominable'

    Mayor Carmen Yulin Cruz described his televised meeting with officials as a "PR, 17-minute meeting". The sight of him throwing paper towels to people in the crowd was "terrible and abominable", she added. Mr Trump tweeted it had been a "great day" in Puerto Rico.
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    "Every death is a horror," the president said, "but if you look at a real catastrophe like Katrina, and you look at the tremendous - hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of people that died, and you look at what happened here, with really a storm that was just totally overpowering, nobody's ever seen anything like this."

    He then turned to the governor of Puerto Rico, Ricardo Rosello, and asked how many people had died in the storm. "Seventeen? Sixteen people certified, 16 people versus in the thousands," Mr Trump said, referring to the 2005 hurricane that killed 1,833 people in New Orleans.
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    meep meep

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
    Goodwin's conservative agenda
    Of course, only conservatives have an agenda. Leftists never have an agenda.
    1. Terrorist attacks by Muslims.
    The Left: We shouldn't judge all Muslims by the actions of a few thousand.

    2. Thug murders people (in gun free zone).
    The Left: We should judge all 50 American gun owners by the actions of a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Of course, only conservatives have an agenda. Leftists never have an agenda.
    No but Goodwin does have a major agenda since he is an editorialist rather than a journalist. Surprise you continually complain about a left bias in the media but you have no problems finding prominent right-wing ideologues like Goodwin and Whitman with plenty of access to a media platform for their views.
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    Did Netanyahu Help Torpedo The Iran Deal — Two Years Ago?
    The Forward op-ed
    16.10.17

    Two and a half years ago, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu made a provocative speech before the U.S. Congress, denouncing the pending agreement to curtail Iran’s nuclear program.

    “Denounce” may be too kind a word here. Actually, he trashed it, employing every emotional weapon at his disposal. He said the agreement could threaten the very survival of the State of Israel and of Jews everywhere. He appealed to Nobel laureate and Holocaust conscience Elie Wiesel, conveniently seated among the friendly crowd. Netanyahu did all this by going behind the back of President Obama, a stunning slight.

    And it didn’t work. Even with Netanyahu’s combative appeal, buttressed by an estimated $40 million of lobbying from the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, and all manner of maneuvering by Republican opponents, there were more than enough senators who supported the deal to enable Obama to sign it.

    Now, President Trump, a vociferous critic of the deal (and most everything else that Obama accomplished), has declined to certify the agreement and has ordered Congress to improve it or resume sanctions, in effect putting the deal in limbo without killing it off entirely.

    And among the very first of the few foreign leaders to praise his decision? Netanyahu....

    Trump claimed that Iran is not complying with the agreement, though he offers no credible proof, and even those in his own party are skeptical. The top Republican and Democrat of the House foreign affairs committee say it should be enforced, not discarded. Even Trump’s own secretaries of state and defense urged him not to scrap it....

    It strains the imagination, however, to think that this White House and this Congress could accomplish the herculean task of making a better Iran deal when they haven’t been able to pass a single major piece of Trump’s legislative agenda all year. And the deal is a joint pact, not a bilateral one: Britain, France, Germany and Russia remain enthusiastically committed to the landmark agreement, with backing by organizations like the European Union and the United Nations....

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