View Poll Results: Who will win? (This poll asks who will win, not who do you want to win)

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  • Clinton (350+ EC votes)

    2 18.18%
  • Clinton (300-349 EC votes)

    5 45.45%
  • Clinton (270-299 EC votes)

    2 18.18%
  • Trump (270-299 EC votes)

    0 0%
  • Trump (300-349 EC votes) - CORRECT

    1 9.09%
  • Trump (350+ EC votes)

    1 9.09%
  • No electoral college majority

    0 0%
  • Someone else

    0 0%
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Oh, this again. Ben Shapiro, an Orthodox Jew and conservative who didn't vote for Trump, despises Bannon with ample justification but denies that he is antisemitic or racist.
    John Weaver and Adam Schiff, both long-time republicans use the word anti-semite to describe Bannon, so what's your point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Not exactly what he said, but I think Shapiro is reliable so it is reasonable to distrust Bannon and Breitbart.
    Shapiro has recently (August 2016) described Breitbart as "a cesspool of the alt-right" and said in the same article that as a moverment the alt-right is "shot through with racism and anti-Semitism". He also blames Bannon as the guy who took a once reasonable outlet and let it become the racist, anti-semitic cesspool that he claims that it is now.

    So either Bannon is an anti-semite or he provides the platform for a lot of anti-semitic content to be published on Breitbart.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind View Post
    John Weaver and Adam Schiff, both long-time republicans use the word anti-semite to describe Bannon, so what's your point?
    That they are wrong. By crying wolf on this, they discredit other claims of Bannon's major flaws as Shapiro explains.
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    The Press vs. the President
    Choosing sides is no substitute for thinking
    KEVIN D. WILLIAMSON, 19 February 2017

    The problem with the man currently leading the Republican party is that he is, as the Washington Post puts it, a hostage to the “fanatical policies of the extreme right.” His administration “insults women” and his unwelcome presence in public life “insults us all.” And, because the Republican party is all about the winning these days, the GOP establishment is “ready to forgive” . . . what? . . . “just about anything — as long as he wins.”

    So says the Post, which is not alone in this estimate: Extreme on economic issues, extreme on the so-called social issues, he even has had an “extreme foreign-policy makeover,” according to The Atlantic. His views on immigration, MSNBC says, represent the Republican party “shrinking down to its most extreme elements.” One cable-news panelist insists he was the most extreme Republican presidential candidate ever. Paul Krugman laments that he has forsaken all serious policy thinking for “dangerous fantasy.” Nicholas Kristof of the New York Times is also alert to the “dangers” he presents, the “most dangerous of all” being his views on Iran, though Kristof also worries that he is too buddy-buddy with that awful, scheming Benjamin Netanyahu. Predictably, Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow dogpiled him for his perplexing relationship with Moscow. Vice calls him a “sociopath” and Maureen Dowd dismissed him as “an out-of-touch plutocrat” who keeps “his true nature . . . buried where we can’t see it,” a devious figure who is so awful deep down inside that he “must hide an essential part of who he is” from the public.

    President Mitt Romney sounds like he would have been a riot. Alas, his presidency never came to pass, thanks in no small part to the hysteria chronicled above. Every Republican president is “the most extreme ever,” or so Democrats and their media friends insist. (“We do always say that,” one Democratic friend acknowledged. “And it is always true.” Well … )

    We deserve a better press, and a better president, too. If you are the sort of partisan who cannot entertain the possibility that both of these things may be true at the same time, then you ought to consider the possibility that you are one of the reasons why we do not have a better press or a better president.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    That they are wrong. By crying wolf on this, they discredit other claims of Bannon's major flaws as Shapiro explains.
    Ipse dixit. There are plenty of people on both sides calling Bannon an anti-semite and even your witness (Shapiro) says the Breitbart site has become a cesspool of the alt-right with which shot-through with anti-semitism under Bannon's watch.
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    Given that Trump has eight Jewish grandchildren, and that his new ambassador called out the UN for its bigoted antisemitism by singling out Israel rather than North Korea and Iran for human rights violations, it's absurd to call Trump an antisemite. Here is Ambassador Nikki Haley on the UN kakistocracy:

    The Security Council is supposed to discuss how to maintain international peace and security. But at our meeting on the Middle East, the discussion was not about Hezbollah’s illegal build-up of rockets in Lebanon. It was not about the money and weapons Iran provides to terrorists. It was not about how we defeat ISIS. It was not about how we hold Bashar al-Assad accountable for the slaughter of hundreds and thousands of civilians. No, instead, the meeting focused on criticizing Israel, the one true democracy in the Middle East. I am new around here, but I understand that's how the Council has operated, month after month, for decades.

    I'm here to say the United States will not turn a blind eye to this anymore. I am here to underscore the ironclad support of the United States for Israel. I'm here to emphasize the United States is determined to stand up to the UN's anti-Israel bias.
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    And Jono continues to ignore the problem that it is Bannon that everyone agrees is an antisemite and the one who is really running policy in the Whitehouse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Given that Trump has eight Jewish grandchildren, and that his new ambassador called out the UN for its bigoted antisemitism by singling out Israel rather than North Korea and Iran for human rights violations, ...
    But not Saudi Arabia? This administration is as hypocritical as any previous.

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    Jewish WorldOp-ed: Leftist quasi-Jews, stop lecturing Trump on anti-Semitism
    Trump is exceptionally supportive of Jews and Israel Leftist Jews advance anti-Semites,
    while Orthodox Jews voted overwhelmingly for Trump.

    Contact Editor Rabbi Dr. Dov Fischer, 24/02/17

    I am sick and tired of seeing and hearing these professional leftists — liberals and radical left activists who often are employed and paid well for their left-driven agenda activism — manipulating the happenstance of their Jewish birth to justify hurling vile and baseless accusations of “anti-Semitism” against those in the Trump Administration who actually are philo-Semitic.

    If these leftists are so concerned about anti-Semitism, why is it that so many among them never once sought to protect me or Israel from Barack Obama or John Kerry? When Obama and Kerry combined to imperil Israel by entering into an horrific deal with Iran, they were quiet. When Obama insulted the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, treating him like a beggar from Jerusalem, forcing Bibi to wait outside while the Obamas dined, they did not complain.

    As Keith Ellison, whose anti-Semitic record of back-biting against Israel and Jews has been exposed, rises within Democrat ranks they do not object. They do not condemn the anti-Semitism of an Al Sharpton, nor challenge why an Obama began his second Presidential campaign by meeting with Sharpton’s organization. Where were they when Kerry and Obama ambushed Israel at the very end of Obama’s term, refusing to veto an anti-Semitic United Nations Security Council resolution that declared an outright lie: that Jews have no connection to East Jerusalem?

    They are not playing with a full deck. This President of the United States, Donald Trump, is the most philo-Semitic President of my lifetime, perhaps in American history. That is why he carried the vote of the Orthodox Jewish community of America in overwhelming numbers. We Orthodox Jews know what anti-Semitism really is, what it sounds and feels like, at work and at play.

    There is a Steven Goldstein, the director of something called the “Anne Frank Center.” As an American Orthodox Rabbi of more than 35 years, a former Vice President of the Zionist Organization of America, a member of the Rabbinical Council of America’s executive committee during most of the past decade, and a host of other Jewish organizational affiliations and leadership posts, I can say unequivocally that this fellow who ranted against President Trump on the same day that the President forcefully condemned anti-Semitism merely is one more professional liberal. Even as the President said that “the anti-Semitic threats targeting our Jewish community and community centers are horrible and are painful and a very sad reminder of the work that still must be done to root out hate and prejudice and evil," this Goldstein was attacking Trump.

    The “Anne Frank Center” that Goldstein heads arrogates the name of a tragic Holocaust victim to advance a leftist agenda.
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    Of course, it's easy to conclude that the Trump administration isn't anti-semitic if you ignore all the evidence that it is (such as Bannon's support of anti-semitism)!

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    Dov Fischer like Jono is a religious far righter who used to say (when calling for Clinton's impeachment) that the moral character of the president was paramount. But when disturbing revelations are discovered about Trump's character suddenly sing a different tune.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Of course, it's easy to conclude that the Trump administration isn't anti-semitic if you ignore all the evidence that it is (such as Bannon's support of anti-semitism)!
    Bannon is not Trump, and even a Bannon foe like Ben Shapiro, himself Jewish, denies he is antisemitic.

    Results matter, and Trump has been the best friend in the White House to the Jewish state for decades. Obama betrayed Israel by snubbing its democratically elected leader and palled with genocidal Jew-hating regimes like Iran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Bannon is not Trump, and even a Bannon foe like Ben Shapiro, himself Jewish, denies he is antisemitic.
    Fischer - like you - doesn't address the anti-semitism in Bannon's publication Breitbart. As I said (and Rincewind implied), if you ignore all the contrary evidence, you can conclude anything.

    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Results matter, and Trump has been the best friend in the White House to the Jewish state for decades. Obama betrayed Israel by snubbing its democratically elected leader and palled with genocidal Jew-hating regimes like Iran.
    Results do matter:
    In January, 60 bomb threats were called in to some 48 Jewish community centers (JCCs) across North America. "I've been in the business for 20-plus years, and this is unprecedented," Paul Goldenberg, national director of the Secure Community Network, told CNN. "It's more methodical than meets the eye."
    I'm sure that the people at those centres would be completely reassured by Trump's support for Israel, even though he repeatedly failed to condemn these attacks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Bannon is not Trump, and even a Bannon foe like Ben Shapiro, himself Jewish, denies he is antisemitic.
    I wonder if Shapiro was aware of this:
    ... On Friday, The Washington Post published excerpts from presidential adviser Stephen Bannon’s decade-old, eight-page outline for a “documentary-style movie” that warned about how Muslim extremists could turn America into the “Islamic States of America.”
    “Instead of the stars and stripes—the crescent and the star!!!” the prologue reads.
    The film proposal also blasts “enablers” of this supposed threat, such as The Washington Post itself, NPR, “Universities and the Left,” the ACLU, the CIA, the State Department, and the “American Jewish Community.” ...
    This would be amusing - except that Trump has appointed this lunatic to the National Security Council

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    The Washington Post article didn't even mention Jews. But far more dangerous are the Democrats wanting to let in people who want to destroy Jews, and cozying up to the genocidal regimes of Hamas/Fatah and Iran. Now in the White House we have a president with a Jewish son in law and grandchildren who loves the Jewish State; for all his faults, far better than Hillary aka Obama's third term.
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