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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    If there are no females amongst these players than chess is certainly a male-dominated game - must put down to family commitments in most cases
    Last bit there is a load of clueless rubbish as usual from you on such subjects. If male domination of top-level chess was mainly caused by women having family commitments then at high-school ages when women do not have such commitments, the genders would be significantly closer to even. They're not. There are currently only four girls in the top 100 juniors and the highest of these is #72. In fact the top two females are slightly higher than that on the overall lists at the moment.

    The fact is that women who become very strong chess players often either defer having a family (if they were interested in the first place) or else continue playing strong chess as parents as Polgar (albeit now retired in her late 30s) and Kosteniuk among others have done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Last bit there is a load of clueless rubbish as usual from you on such subjects. If male domination of top-level chess was mainly caused by women having family commitments then at high-school ages when women do not have such commitments, the genders would be significantly closer to even. They're not. There are currently only four girls in the top 100 juniors and the highest of these is #72. In fact the top two females are slightly higher than that on the overall lists at the moment.

    The fact is that women who become very strong chess players often either defer having a family (if they were interested in the first place) or else continue playing strong chess as parents as Polgar (albeit now retired in her late 30s) and Kosteniuk among others have done.
    If one is interested in having more female participation taking on your explanation then the problem is more serious. Outside of the USSR and Republic of China where chess is state run for decades from what I see there is no female equality in any form in chess. Is it a combination of nature and nurture? That includes some male youth not being gender inclusive in junior chess. As I can't be trusted to work out anything do you have the explanation?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist View Post
    Is it a combination of nature and nurture? That includes some male youth not being gender inclusive in junior chess. As I can't be trusted to work out anything do you have the explanation?
    I think it is largely a result of a combination of nurture and a range of social issues. A higher proportion of girls are good players at primary level than by the end of highschool. During highschool they often drop out either because of peer pressure or "only girl syndrome". There is some "nature" argument that strong male juniors accelerate in strength faster around the onset of puberty, but that goes nowhere near explaining the disparities (which are well developed even before that age).

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    Grischuk has moved to #2 on the live rating list - not sure if it's the first time he's been there - and is 50.3 behind Carlsen.

    In recent days, Grischuk, Nakamura and Giri have all recorded career highs.

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    Geez Caruana has fallen a long way in just a few months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Geez Caruana has fallen a long way in just a few months.
    Note that top 10 playrs are mostly 2780+ now as opposed to 2760+ some months ago...but top 5 has lower average rating than before...the gap is closing
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    After his loss to Carlsen in the Gashimov Memorial, Caruana has dropped below live 2800, leaving only Carlsen above that mark and leading Nakamura by 70.4 points. This is the largest gap between first and second I can recall recently.

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    Has anyone got to or been close to 3000 ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaitlin View Post
    Has anyone got to or been close to 3000 ?
    No. The record is by Carlsen, 2889.2. I update the record in post 1 of this thread when it changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    After his loss to Carlsen in the Gashimov Memorial, Caruana has dropped below live 2800, leaving only Carlsen above that mark and leading Nakamura by 70.4 points. This is the largest gap between first and second I can recall recently.
    I am guessing Fischer 1st Spassky 2nd in about 1976 isn't recent enough.(Was about 90ish points from memory)
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    Quote Originally Posted by James Peirce View Post
    I am guessing Fischer 1st Spassky 2nd in about 1976 isn't recent enough.(Was about 90ish points from memory)
    Fischer led by 125 points in July 1972 and Kasparov led by 82 in January 2000.

    The highest published rating lead I can find for Carlsen is 72 points in July and August last year, which is more recently than I remembered!

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    Speaking of Fischer, GM Gufeld had claimed in his lecture at the then VCA (Elizabeth St. Melbourne) in the mid 1980s that the American had actually lost rating points as a result of his 1972 WC match versus Spassky. However, the popular late GM had his tongue firmly on cheek in many occasions when he told (numerous) stories about the international chess scene! (I still have somewhere an autographed copy of his "Mona Lisa" as he called his ultra sacrificial 1973 King's Indian Defence victory versus GM(*) Bagirov's Samisch Variation.
    (*)To be fair to Vladimir Bagirov, he was only an IM - he became a GM 5 years after the said game, whereas Edward Gufeld was already a GM at the time!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Elliott Renzies View Post
    Speaking of Fischer, GM Gufeld had claimed in his lecture at the then VCA (Elizabeth St. Melbourne) in the mid 1980s that the American had actually lost rating points as a result of his 1972 WC match versus Spassky.
    That is correct. Fischer dropped 5 rating points from 2785 to 2780.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill Gletsos View Post
    That is correct. Fischer dropped 5 rating points from 2785 to 2780.
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    Carlsen went into Norway Chess with a 71-point live rating lead over Caruana. He comes out with a 37.2 point lead over Anand, with Caruana now fifth.

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