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    World Youth Day Bulldust

    NSW has new crimes of annoying religious fantastic pilgrims - a fine of $5,500 if I go and do my usual thing of protesting against religious idols!

    What was the name of Castillo's book about the foolish priests that he was persecuted for? Fool and Pulpit or something like that?

    Bring it on religious idols - I am coming special down to Sydney to take you on!

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    Would be interesting to have that law tested in court. It must contrdict something.

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    AC, I think you do your cause a disservice by being more abusive to the believers than to the ridiculous laws put in place to "protect" them. The laws are a disgrace of a sort that should not occur in a liberal democracy and I encourage NSW voters to vote out all parties that supported them (if you can find a way to do so without voting for someone even sillier).

    However assuming all those who are attending to be fanatics is unjustified and to call them idiots without explanation leaves yourself open to charges of also being one, and may be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    AC, I think you do your cause a disservice by being more abusive to the believers than to the ridiculous laws put in place to "protect" them. The laws are a disgrace of a sort that should not occur in a liberal democracy and I encourage NSW voters to vote out all parties that supported them (if you can find a way to do so without voting for someone even sillier).

    However assuming all those who are attending to be fanatics is unjustified and to call them idiots without explanation leaves yourself open to charges of also being one, and may be illegal.

    The following is a moderation directive: you have 24 hours to tone the post down to something that doesn't have me thinking about religious vilification law, or lose it.
    AC IS NOT SAYING "IF YOU'RE RELIGIOUS YOU'RE AN IDIOT" BUT RATHER HE WAS REFERRING TO THOSE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HE CONSIDERED IDIOTS IE AS IN " RELIGIOUS IDIOTS"

    AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION , I'M SURE YOU'LL AGREE , WHEN EXAMINING VILIFICATION LAW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    AC IS NOT SAYING "IF YOU'RE RELIGIOUS YOU'RE AN IDIOT" BUT RATHER HE WAS REFERRING TO THOSE RELIGIOUS PEOPLE HE CONSIDERED IDIOTS IE AS IN " RELIGIOUS IDIOTS"

    AN IMPORTANT DISTINCTION , I'M SURE YOU'LL AGREE , WHEN EXAMINING VILIFICATION LAW.
    It is an important distinction but on my long experience of AC's output I am not at all convinced he considers any religious people not to be idiots, and the above is quite consistent with that.

    Lose the caps in future. SHOUTING LIKE THIS only makes people wonder if there's something wrong with your argument and I'm getting sorely tempted to delete all gratuitous shouting that is more than about two lines long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Lose the caps in future. SHOUTING LIKE THIS only makes people wonder if there's something wrong with your argument and I'm getting sorely tempted to delete all gratuitous shouting that is more than about two lines long.
    He has been warned about using all caps on a number of previous occasions.
    Next time such posts will be deleted without notice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    AC, I think you do your cause a disservice by being more abusive to the believers than to the ridiculous laws put in place to "protect" them. The laws are a disgrace of a sort that should not occur in a liberal democracy and I encourage NSW voters to vote out all parties that supported them (if you can find a way to do so without voting for someone even sillier).
    FWIW I don't support such laws or any other religious anti-vilification laws.
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    So what exactly does the law say?
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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    Bring it on religious idiots - I am coming special down to Sydney to take you on!
    Looks like the geese are migrating early this year ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    AC, I think you do your cause a disservice by being more abusive to the believers than to the ridiculous laws put in place to "protect" them. The laws are a disgrace of a sort that should not occur in a liberal democracy and I encourage NSW voters to vote out all parties that supported them (if you can find a way to do so without voting for someone even sillier).

    However assuming all those who are attending to be fanatics is unjustified and to call them idiots without explanation leaves yourself open to charges of also being one, and may be illegal.

    The following is a moderation directive: you have 24 hours to tone the post down to something that doesn't have me thinking about religious vilification law, or lose it.
    Voting out the Catholic premier is too late, the damage will have been done, lack of civil rights plus wasting $120,000,000 on this garbage. Parents of permanently very sick children can't even get sufficient respite support from the government yet money is wasted on this garbage. The public schools facilities are a disgrace, toilets without doors, no hot water etc and freezing in winter and sweltering in summer. Decent Catholics should protest and demand that the $120,000,000 is handed back for a worthy cause.

    What about if a religious custom was to eat rare snails, and they wiped out your "children", should there still be freedom of religion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    ...........I encourage NSW voters to vote out all parties that supported them (if you can find a way to do so without voting for someone even sillier).
    Sorry Kevin, NSW voters can do no worse than the silly Tasmanian voters who sent Bob Brown to Canberra.
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    Bob Brown is the highest principled man in Canberra. Remember when he tried to present that anti-Iraqi protest petition to GW Bush but the war mongering Liberals formed a pack around GWB to keep him out. The lowest point of Aussie politics for many years. And deservedly they are now out on their backsides - where Bush will join them shortly.

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    Gays got their tails up

    Gay groups under WYD policing scrutiny PRINT FRIENDLY EMAIL STORY
    AM - Friday, 4 July , 2008 08:22:00
    Reporter: Michael Edwards
    TONY EASTLEY: Gay groups say police have begun questioning them about their planned activities during World Youth Day. New regulations give police extra powers during the event in Sydney.

    Civil libertarians say the new rules are over-the-top and inflammatory and gay groups planning events to coincide with World Youth Day say they’re already being unnecessarily scrutinised by police.

    Michael Edwards has this story.

    MICHAEL EDWARDS: Luke Roberts is a lapsed Catholic as well as a homosexual activist and performer who goes by the stage name, Pope Alice.

    Pope Alice is best described as a celestial being whose greatest claim is that she is the "Queen of Heaven" and along with Pope Benedict, Pope Alice will also be in Sydney during World Youth Day.

    LUKE ROBERTS: I want to see Pope Alice express herself as a focal point for anybody, gays, lesbians, transgender, intergender, queers, bisexuals, anybody, heterosexuals - anyone who have an open mind and want to say we have had enough of these medieval religions that keep the world backward.

    MICHAEL EDWARDS: Pope Alice will host a so-called “kiss-in” to be held along Oxford Street in Darlinghurst.

    LUKE ROBERTS: You’re having your thing. We’re having ours.

    MICHAEL EDWARDS: Luke Roberts has made no secret of the proposed “kiss in” and yesterday it appeared the New South Wales Police also got wind of it.

    He received a call in Brisbane from a policeman who identified himself as being from the World Youth Day Investigation Squad. He was then asked him a series of questions.

    LUKE ROBERTS: He wanted to know how long I’d be there, how many people would actually be with me, would there be music, what was the nature of the event.

    MICHAEL EDWARDS: Mr Roberts says that despite the fact the policeman was respectful and polite, he still felt intimidated.

    LUKE ROBERTS: You do feel that you’re not sure then, you know, whether your phones are going to be tapped, you know what I mean. You feel, of course, a little vulnerable.

    MICHAEL EDWARDS: This week it was revealed New South Wales Police have been given the power to arrest anyone who in their view causes annoyance or inconvenience to pilgrims during World Youth Day.

    Offenders risk fines of up to $5,500. Protest groups worry about the definition of “annoying”.

    They fear it could lead to the confiscation of items such as placards and t-shirts bearing anti-World Youth Day slogans.

    Paul Harris is the co-convenor of Acceptance, a group for gay and lesbian Catholics which is planning to run a forum on homosexuality to coincide with the event. He also received a call from the New South Wales Police.

    PAUL HARRIS: Initially, I thought it was the World Youth Day people. I thought it was, you know, some kind of World Youth Day CSI. Some secret police of the Catholic Church were trying to investigate what this gay group is on about. I didn't know who it was really.

    TONY EASTLEY: Paul Harris, the co-convenor of the gay Catholic group, Acceptance, ending Michael Edwards' report.

    A spokesman for New South Wales Police has told AM, the World Youth Day Investigation Squad is not about curtailing the rights of protesters - instead, its role is to ensure everyone’s safety.

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    olice investigate WYD queer kiss-in

    Pope Alice will host a queer kiss-in along Sydney's Oxford Street during World Youth Day. (Photo supplied by Luke Roberts)

    Audio: Gay groups under WYD policing scrutiny (AM) Map: Sydney 2000
    Gay groups say police are unnecessarily scrutinising them over activities planned for Sydney's World Youth Day, as civil libertarians rile at new police powers for this month's week-long event.

    Lapsed Catholic Luke Roberts is a homosexual activist and performer who goes by the stage name Pope Alice, a character best described as a celestial being of indeterminate gender.

    Along with Pope Benedict, Pope Alice will also be in Sydney during World Youth Day, hosting a "kiss-in" along Oxford Street in Darlinghurst.

    "I want to see Pope Alice express herself as a focal point for anybody - gays, lesbians, transgender, queers, bisexuals, heterosexuals, anyone who has an open mind and wants to say, 'We've had enough of the medieval religions that keep the world backwards,'" Mr Roberts said.

    The performer has made no secret of the proposed kiss-in.

    "You're having your thing and we are having ours," he said. "This is one of the gay capitals of the world."

    Yesterday, it appeared the NSW Police got wind of the plans. Mr Roberts received a call in Brisbane from a detective who identified himself as being from the World Youth Day Investigation Squad. He was then asked a series of questions.

    "He wanted to know how long I'd be there, how many people would actually be with me, would there be music, what was the nature of the event," Mr Roberts said.

    He says he felt intimidated, despite the fact the policeman was respectful and polite.

    "You do feel that you're not sure then whether or not your phones are going to be tapped," he said. "You do feel a little vulnerable."


    Annoy pilgrims, face a fine

    This week, it was revealed NSW Police had been given the power to arrest anyone who they believe causes annoyance or inconvenience to pilgrims during World Youth Day. Offenders risk fines of up to $5,500.

    Protest groups worry about the definition of the word, 'annoying'. They fear it could lead to the confiscation of items such as placards and T-shirts bearing anti-World Youth Day slogans.

    The co-convenor of Acceptance, a group for gay and lesbian Catholics that is planning to run a forum on homosexuality to coincide with the event, says he has also received a call from NSW Police.

    Paul Harris says the call came after World Youth Day organisers refused to include the forum as part of the week's official festivities.

    "Initially, I thought it was the World Youth Day people," he said.

    "I thought it was some sort of World Youth Day CSI - some secret police of the Catholic Church were trying to investigate what this gay group were on about. I didn't know who it was really."


    Green light for silent protest

    A Hunter Valley man, who says he was sexually abused by a local priest, has met the police to discuss another World Youth Day protest planned by a group of sex abuse victims.

    Peter Gogarty says the protesters are considering wearing T-shirts saying, 'Pope Benedict say sorry', calling for a papal apology to victims of paedophile priests.

    "We're also planning to have a number of timber crosses there but have one of those for every convicted paedophile priest," he said.

    "They were fairly accepting of that. As long as we don't go out of our way to disrupt anybody else or engage with anyone else, we shouldn't have too much trouble."

    Mr Gogarty says the police suggested the group apply for a permit to stage the protest.

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    KB it was the Catholic bloody fanatics who bashed me up the last time a ruddy pope came to Australia, at the SCG it was. The Swiss guards made me eat dust a...holes they are. I was protesting against the Pope's birth control policy that banned condoms for contraception and also against AIDS.

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