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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Speaking of fascists, a Holocaust-denying couple, Heath and Deborah Campbell, named two of their kids:

    1. Adolph Hitler Campbell
    2. JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell

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    Now theres a bully victim.
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    I think the sate has a responsibility to remove the children at birth. The parents are clearly incapable of raising these kids by society standards and the state has a duty of care to the children.



    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Speaking of fascists, a Holocaust-denying couple, Heath and Deborah Campbell, named two of their kids:

    1. Adolph Hitler Campbell
    2. JoyceLynn Aryan Nation Campbell


    This is far sicker even than other celebrity parent giving their kids stupid names or weird spellings of normal names, since the latter is just making a sick joke or showing off at the child's expense. But honouring mass murders and celebrating racist groups goes well beyond that.

    Supermarket defends itself over Adolf Hitler cake

    A supermarket is defending itself for refusing to a write out 3-year-old Adolf Hitler Campbell's name on his birthday cake. Deborah Campbell, 25, of nearby Hunterdon County, N.J., said she phoned in her order last week to the Greenwich ShopRite. When she told the bakery department she wanted her son's name spelled out, she was told to talk to a supervisor, who denied the request.

    Karen Meleta, a ShopRite spokeswoman, said the store denied similar requests from the Campbells the last two years, including a request for a swastika.

    "We reserve the right not to print anything on the cake that we deem to be inappropriate," Meleta said. "We considered this inappropriate."

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronD
    The parents are clearly incapable of raising these kids by society standards and the state has a duty of care to the children.
    Inclined to agree with you here ... and the supermarket shouldn't even have to defend itself against this sort of nonsense.

    Some jurisdictions do make some attempt to disallow stupid names of this variety.

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    Here I too would make an exception to my usual distrust of government intervention, since the parents are clearly trying to raise neo-Nazis. Kudos to the supermarket.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Here I too would make an exception to my usual distrust of government intervention, since the parents are clearly trying to raise neo-Nazis.
    I'm not sure they are. From the article:

    Campbell said he was raised not to avoid people of other races but not to mix with them socially or romantically. But he said he would try to raise his children differently.

    "Say he grows up and hangs out with black people. That's fine, I don't really care," he said. "That's his choice."
    I just think that parents should not subject their children to ridicule and bullying by giving them unbelievably stupid names and that there is some point where the State can reasonably step in in the interests of the child.

    Ideally that point should have been immediately after birth; simply refuse to register the name, make the parents pick something more sensible, and then there's hopefully no need to intervene further.

    I'm not sure quite how restrictive such a limit would need to be (eg whether you need to stop parents calling their child "Dwayne Pipe" and so on) but to me this seems outside it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I'm not sure they are. From the article:
    I read that too, but "Aryan Nation" for the other child, and a Swastika for a birthday cake? It's hard to believe that these jerks admired Hitler just for making trains run on time.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I just think that parents should not subject their children to ridicule and bullying by giving them unbelievably stupid names and that there is some point where the State can reasonably step in in the interests of the child.
    I agree. It should be sparing, just like the state should step in if a child is severely malnourished, but not dictate what foods all parents must give their children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I'm not sure quite how restrictive such a limit would need to be (eg whether you need to stop parents calling their child "Dwayne Pipe" and so on) but to me this seems outside it.
    Or Randolph Mann because the first name can be abbreviated, Wayne King (say it fast), or if the initials spell an unpleasant word (Robert Alexander Thomas) ... ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    I read that too, but "Aryan Nation" for the other child, and a Swastika for a birthday cake? It's hard to believe that these jerks admired Hitler just for making trains run on time.
    OK, perhaps they are trying to raise neo-Nazis, but not all that fussed if they fail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    OK, perhaps they are trying to raise neo-Nazis, but not all that fussed if they fail.
    Or they are saying what they thought the reporter wanted to hear?
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    Friedrich Hayek, The Road to Serfdom

    Although our modern socialists' promise of greater freedom is genuine and sincere, in recent years observer after observer has been impressed by the unforeseen consequences of socialism, the extraordinary similarity in many respects of the conditions under "communism" and "fascism." As the writer Peter Drucker expressed it in 1939, "the complete collapse of the belief in the attainability of freedom and equality through Marxism has forced Russia to travel the same road toward a totalitarian society of un-freedom and inequality which Germany has been following. Not that communism and fascism are essentially the same. Fascism is the stage reached after communism has proved an illusion, and it has proved as much an illusion in Russia as in pre-Hitler Germany."

    No less significant is the intellectual outlook of the rank and file in the communist and fascist movements in Germany before 1933. The relative ease with which a young communist could be converted into a Nazi or vice versa was well known, best of all to the propagandists of the two parties. The communists and Nazis clashed more frequently with each other than with other parties simply because they competed for the same type of mind and reserved for each other the hatred of the heretic. Their practice showed how closely they are related. To both, the real enemy, the man with whom they had nothing in common, was the liberal of the old type. While to the Nazi the communist and to the communist the Nazi, and to both the socialist, are potential recruits made of the right timber, they both know that there can be no compromise between them and those who really believe in individual freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain Underpants
    Lefties make me wanna puke.
    well Gunnar when your Mother Country was battling Moustached Monster it was only the leftie partisans across Europe who put up a decent resistance - the right-wingers were joining in alliances with him (stalin did also but nobody was supposed to know about that)

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    Quote Originally Posted by antichrist
    well Gunnar when your Mother Country was battling Moustached Monster it was only the leftie partisans across Europe who put up a decent resistance - the right-wingers were joining in alliances with him (stalin did also but nobody was supposed to know about that)
    Hitler was a Leftard: a big-government National Socialist. His squabbles with Commies was a war over the same ideological turf, like Trotsky v Stalin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Hitler was a Leftard: a big-government National Socialist. His squabbles with Commies was a war over the same ideological turf, like Trotsky v Stalin.
    He was supposedly wiping out the Jews because of their support of Communism - maybe he was a hybrid, just don't let him hear us you call him that.

    Did he take over Jewish businesss? Only Jewish businesses? Nationalise them for the state?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Hitler was a Leftard
    that is one of the most ridiculous things you have said outside of your church newsletters.

    Nazism and fascism are far-right politically. You are confusing the moderate bourgeois right-wing (the like you you and Iggy) with the ultra right-wing.

    Nazism is anti-liberalism and so is nothing like the left until you get to the far-left of Stalinist Russia. And then the similarity is just that they are both authoritarian.

    In the early days there was socialist element to the National Socialist party which was headed up by Otto Strasser. But they became inconvenient for Hitler (forming the splinter Black Front party) and anyone of importance from that faction was liquidated (or like Strasser fled) in the Night of the Long Knives purge in 1934 and the Nazi party was pure far-right from then onwards.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    Nazism and fascism are far-right politically.
    No they are not. Nazism = National Socialism. It is a big-government ideology, not at all free market. Thomas Sowell writes:

    The Fascists were completely against individualism in general and especially against individualism in a free-market economy. Their agenda included minimum-wage laws, government restrictions on profit-making, progressive taxation of capital, and “rigidly secular” schools.

    Unlike the Communists, the Fascists did not seek government ownership of the means of production. They just wanted the government to call the shots as to how businesses would be run.

    They were for “industrial policy,” long before liberals coined that phrase in the United States.

    Indeed, the whole Fascist economic agenda bears a remarkable resemblance to what liberals would later advocate.

    Moreover, during the 1920s “progressives” in the United States and Britain recognized the kinship of their ideas with those of Mussolini, who was widely lionized by the Left.

    Famed British novelist and prominent Fabian socialist H. G. Wells called for “Liberal Fascism,” saying “the world is sick of parliamentary politics.”

    Another literary giant and Fabian socialist, George Bernard Shaw, also expressed his admiration for Mussolini — as well as for Hitler and Stalin, because they “did things,” instead of just talk.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    You are confusing the moderate bourgeois right-wing (the like you you and Iggy) with the ultra right-wing.
    No, Leftards have exploited the internecine turf war on the left between national socialists (fascists and Nazis) with international socialists (Communists) to claim that the former must be "right" because they fought with the Communists on the Left. Sowell continued:

    Fascism, initially recognized as a kindred ideology of the Left, has since come down to us defined as being on “the Right” — indeed, as representing the farthest Right, supposedly further extensions of conservatism.

    If by conservatism you mean belief in free markets, limited government, and traditional morality, including religious influences, then these are all things that the Fascists opposed just as much as the Left does today.
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    This one goes around and around so often on here it can have its own thread instead of contaminating others.

    I like the Political Compass axis with liberty/authority on one scale and socialism/capitalism on the other. On that scale Nazis are extreme authoritarians, but economically a mixed bag.

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