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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The point was: just because ScoMo claimed he was right wing doesn't make him so, especially when he hated capitalism and admired Communist China and was a self-described eco-fascist.
    We should judge him by his actions, not his words. Hatred of Muslims is almost always associated with right-wingers, so he should be regarded as a right-winger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The point was: just because ScoMo claimed he was right wing doesn't make him so,
    He's be labelled right-wing by all and sundry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    He's be labelled right-wing by all and sundry.
    Btw, is being a ''Nazi'' - related to right/left wing?
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    Dutton equates neo-nazis, white supremacists with extreme right.

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    ... Asked why Tarrant wasn’t on a terror watch list, Mr Dutton said it might be a simple reflection of how little time he had spent here in recent years.

    “We look at our situation all the time in our country, as New Zealand will theirs,” he said.

    Mr Dutton said it was “frankly disgraceful” that critics were suggesting ASIO had dropped the ball on right-wing extremists.

    “The fact is that ASIO has, from the very first briefing they provided to me, spoken about the threat from these extremist groups,” he said.

    “Neo-Nazis, white supremacists, extreme right-wing groups, whatever term you want to apply to them, they’ve been squarely on their radar. ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Dutton equates neo-nazis, white supremacists with extreme right.
    So what? White supremacy is a form of collectivism, so is leftist. Leftists are about the group identity over the individual. Nazi = National Socialist, and indeed this was a big-government party, so again part of the Left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    So what? White supremacy is a form of collectivism, so is leftist. Leftists are about the group identity over the individual. Nazi = National Socialist, and indeed this was a big-government party, so again part of the Left.
    So: the neo-Nazi / white supremacists are baked in the extreme right-wing, according to even the uncontentious utterances of the leaders of said right-wing parties.

    BTW big government has never had a better friend than our present right-wing government, seems to know no bounds when it comes to growing expenditure:

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    Apropos of nothing in particular, but it should be common knowledge that Germany's invasion of Poland followed the Nazi-Soviet pact. Stalin clearly had no problem with the idea that the communists and the national socialists should divide Eastern Europe between each other. It's also worth remembering that the Nazi vote in the election that mattered (14 September 1930) came from rural voters who mostly didn't own radios and weren't much exposed to either the rhetoric of Hitler or the propaganda of Goebbels. They voted in places like Schleswig-Holstein for the promise to put a protectionist floor under the price of wheat and other primary commodities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    So what? White supremacy is a form of collectivism, so is leftist. Leftists are about the group identity over the individual. Nazi = National Socialist, and indeed this was a big-government party, so again part of the Left.
    You realise that you're using a 'collectivist' argument'? Does that make you a 'leftist'? Or does it invalidate your claim that treating people as part of a group is something only 'leftists' do?

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    The national socialist platform:

    You can review the entire 25-point plan here, and yes, it is a platform that is filled with anti-Semitic and nationalist themes, but a review of several of the key points of the manifesto are important to understand their political beliefs as they orient around socialist and Marxist philosophy.

    "…We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens…"

    "…The first obligation of every citizen must be to productively work, mentally or physically..."

    "…The activity of individuals is not to counteract the interests of the universality [the state], but must have its result within the framework of the whole for the benefit of all..." [italics mine]

    "…We demand the Breaking of debt (interest)-slavery…"

    "…In consideration of the monstrous sacrifice in property and blood that each war demands of the people, personal enrichment through a war must be designated as a crime against the people. Therefore, we demand the total confiscation of all war profits…"

    "…We demand the nationalisation of all (previous) associated industries..." [italics mine]

    "…We demand a division of profits of all heavy industries…"

    "…We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare…"

    "…We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation…"

    "…We demand the immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality…"

    "…We demand struggle without consideration against those whose activity is injurious to the general interest. Common national criminals, usurers, profiteers and so forth are to be punished with death…" [italics mine]

    "…We demand substitution of a German common law in place of the [existing] Roman Law serving a materialistic world-order…"

    "…The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education…"

    "…The comprehension of the concept of the state must be striven for by the school as early as the beginning of understanding…"

    "…We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession…"

    "…The state is to care for the national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young…"

    "…We demand legal opposition to known lies and their promulgation through the press… Publications which are counter to the general good are to be forbidden… We demand legal prosecution of artistic and literary forms which exert a destructive influence on our national life and the closure of organizations opposing the above made demands…"

    "…a lasting recovery of our nation can only succeed from within on the framework: "THE GOOD OF THE COMMUNITY BEFORE THE GOOD OF THE INDIVIDUAL." [All CAPS theirs in the original document]

    "…For the execution of all of this we demand the formation of a strong central power… Unlimited authority of the central parliament over the whole Reich and its organizations in general…"

    "…The leaders of the Party promise, if necessary by sacrificing their own lives, to support by the execution of the points set forth above without consideration…"
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    The Christchurch massacre and the rise of right-wing extremism | Four Corners

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    The national socialist platform:
    "…We demand that the state be charged first with providing the opportunity for a livelihood and way of life for the citizens…"
    "…We demand an expansion on a large scale of old age welfare…"
    "…We demand the creation of a healthy middle class and its conservation…"
    "…The state is to be responsible for a fundamental reconstruction of our whole national education program, to enable every capable and industrious German to obtain higher education…"
    "…We demand the education at the expense of the state of outstanding intellectually gifted children of poor parents without consideration of position or profession…"
    "…The state is to care for the national health by protecting the mother and child, by outlawing child-labor, by the encouragement of physical fitness, by means of the legal establishment of a gymnastic and sport obligation, by the utmost support of all organizations concerned with the physical instruction of the young…"
    As an opponent of socialism, I assume you're opposed to welfare for the old and in favour of child labour?

    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    "…We demand the immediate communalization of the great warehouses and their being leased at low cost to small firms, the utmost consideration of all small firms in contracts with the State, county or municipality…"
    Supporting small firms is not socialism.

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