Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 15 of 20
  1. #1
    Account Shoutbox Banned antichrist's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    20,896

    Winston Churchill

    Winston Churchill was an [snipped-mod] how he glibly sacrificed sailors in the disasterous sea campaign against Turkey in WW1. He only commented afterwards that the ships lost were very old so did not matter. No mention about the sailors lost.

    Also when Aussie troops were returning to fight the Pacific War he wanted them to fight without heavy arnaments which were on another ship that had not arrived. Curtin would not allow - a man of the people and humanitarian.
    Last edited by Kevin Bonham; 12-05-2008 at 02:34 PM.

  2. #2
    Account Permanently Banned Axiom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    4,383
    War Criminal

    33 Degree freemason

  3. #3
    CC Grandmaster Capablanca-Fan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Atlanta, GA (formerly Brisbane, and before that Wellington, NZ)
    Posts
    21,124
    Too much to expect documentation for these smears on the man who led Britain to defeat Hitler—and for the previous decade of "the wilderness years" had warned against the dangers of appeasement.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

  4. #4
    CC Grandmaster Spiny Norman's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2004
    Posts
    4,437
    ... and the reason for starting this thread is ... what, exactly?

    Has Winston been bugging you again AC? Just tell him to p*** off, along with all those other voices ... =8^)
    “As you perhaps know, I haven't always been a Christian. I didn't go to religion to make me happy. I always knew a bottle of port would do that. If you want a religion to make you feel really comfortable, I certainly don't recommend Christianity.” -- C.S.Lewis

  5. #5
    Account Permanently Banned Axiom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    4,383
    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Too much to expect documentation for these smears on the man who led Britain to defeat Hitler
    He had little to do in the defeat of Hitler as any informed russian or american will tell you !


    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    —and for the previous decade of "the wilderness years" had warned against the dangers of appeasement.
    Churchill was a pawn in a giant geo-political game , merely the right actor for the role. Appeasers simply were not required for the part.

  6. #6
    Account Permanently Banned Axiom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    4,383
    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Too much to expect documentation for these smears on the man who led Britain to defeat Hitler
    The book : "Dark Skies" - Mike Davis

    also http://members.tripod.com/~wwx2/churchil.html

    try googling "churchill war criminal" there is no shortage of documentation
    Last edited by Axiom; 19-05-2008 at 06:52 PM.

  7. #7
    CC Grandmaster Capablanca-Fan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Atlanta, GA (formerly Brisbane, and before that Wellington, NZ)
    Posts
    21,124
    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    He had little to do in the defeat of Hitler as any informed russian or american will tell you !
    Britain single-handedly held off Hitler for two years, and won the Battles of the River Plate, Britain and El Alamein before the entry of the Americans. And Churchill, himself half American, even warned the Nazi ambassador Ribbentrop that if Germany went to war, eventually America would join the British side as in WW1 and crush Germany.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    Churchill was a pawn in a giant geo-political game , merely the right actor for the role. Appeasers simply were not required for the part.
    Who were the players of this alleged game?
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

  8. #8
    Account Permanently Banned Axiom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    4,383
    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Britain single-handedly held off Hitler for two years, and won the Battles of the River Plate, Britain and El Alamein before the entry of the Americans. And Churchill, himself half American, even warned the Nazi ambassador Ribbentrop that if Germany went to war, eventually America would join the British side as in WW1 and crush Germany.
    after he had prior knowledge of the pearl harbour attack !

    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Who were the players of this alleged game?
    The Rothschild banking dynasty, which played both sides.

  9. #9
    Monster of the deep Kevin Bonham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    40,357
    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    Too much to expect documentation for these smears [etc]
    Given who posted it, it's probably too much to expect anything.
    Moderation Requests: All requests for, comments about, or questions about moderation of any kind including thread changes must be posted in the Help and Feedback section and not on the thread in question. (Or by private message for routine changes or sensitive matters.)

    ACF Newsletter Information - All Australian players and administrators should subscribe and check each issue for relevant notices

    My psephology/politics site (token chess references only) : http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/ Politics twitter feed https://twitter.com/kevinbonham

  10. #10
    Account Permanently Banned Axiom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    4,383
    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Given who posted it, it's probably too much to expect anything.
    OK, conventional history is a very accurate portrayal of reality , is that better ?

  11. #11
    Monster of the deep Kevin Bonham's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Posts
    40,357
    Sorry Ax, just meant to bag antichrist this time; you were collateral damage.
    Moderation Requests: All requests for, comments about, or questions about moderation of any kind including thread changes must be posted in the Help and Feedback section and not on the thread in question. (Or by private message for routine changes or sensitive matters.)

    ACF Newsletter Information - All Australian players and administrators should subscribe and check each issue for relevant notices

    My psephology/politics site (token chess references only) : http://kevinbonham.blogspot.com.au/ Politics twitter feed https://twitter.com/kevinbonham

  12. #12
    CC Grandmaster
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    5,539
    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    OK, conventional history is a very accurate portrayal of reality , is that better ?
    Conventional history is a complete crap.
    Conspiracy theories are even bigger crap.
    For private coaching (IM, four times VIC champion) call or SMS 0417519733
    Computer tells you what to play. Good coach explains why.

  13. #13
    CC Grandmaster Capablanca-Fan's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2004
    Location
    Atlanta, GA (formerly Brisbane, and before that Wellington, NZ)
    Posts
    21,124
    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    after he had prior knowledge of the pearl harbour attack !
    What, at the time Ribbentrop was the Nazi ambassador to the UK? Anyway, it really was the Japanese fault that they attacked Pearl Harbor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    The Rothschild banking dynasty, which played both sides.
    I doubt they had that power, esp. in Germany, because they were Jews.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

  14. #14
    Account Permanently Banned Axiom's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2005
    Posts
    4,383
    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    Conventional history is a complete crap.
    and perhaps the greatest conspiracy theory of all !!

  15. #15
    CC Grandmaster
    Join Date
    Nov 2005
    Location
    Melbourne
    Posts
    5,539
    Quote Originally Posted by Axiom
    and perhaps the greatest conspiracy theory of all !!
    Not really. I'd say vested interest of history writers. By vested interest I also mean research grants, reluctance to seriously consider alternative version (as it requires extra work) and unwillingness to acknowledge an error.
    Over time probable versions become axiomatic, approximate estimations are treated as precise.
    Next generation of historian treat the writing of predecessors as a gospel truth, and so on.

    Given that printing press was invented in 15th century, any attempts to precisely describe the history that pre-dates 13th century are, at least, questionable and often laughable.
    For private coaching (IM, four times VIC champion) call or SMS 0417519733
    Computer tells you what to play. Good coach explains why.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •