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    "announcing" mate?

    In many Chess publications, particularly those that comment on games of the classical chess era, I have often noticed the expession player X "announced" mate in an N number of moves.
    How did they do it?
    Did they stop the clock, called the arbiter and told them "look, I have a forced mate in 5 here" can you declare me as a winner please?
    Did they just tell their opponent "No use in going on mate, you 're getting mated in 5 moves"?
    What if that wasn't the case and there was a game saving response on behalf of the supposedly losing side?
    What if a mate could be executed in less or more moves than the declared N number?
    Was there any penalty against the player who claimed the win in a number of moves if he wasn't correct?
    Does this practice occur in modern tournaments, or is it just a thing of the past?
    I searched my "The Rules Of Chess" booklet and there was nothing about this situation.
    Please feel free to shed some light in this query of mine!
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    My understanding is that this was normally just a verbal announcement to the opponent at the completion of the move. If there was a audience and the player was flamboyant I imagine the announcement would have been more to the room than the opponent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justaknight
    In many Chess publications, particularly those that comment on games of the classical chess era, I have often noticed the expession player X "announced" mate in an N number of moves.
    How did they do it?
    Did they stop the clock, called the arbiter and told them "look, I have a forced mate in 5 here" can you declare me as a winner please?
    Did they just tell their opponent "No use in going on mate, you 're getting mated in 5 moves"?
    What if that wasn't the case and there was a game saving response on behalf of the supposedly losing side?
    What if a mate could be executed in less or more moves than the declared N number?
    Was there any penalty against the player who claimed the win in a number of moves if he wasn't correct?
    Does this practice occur in modern tournaments, or is it just a thing of the past?
    I searched my "The Rules Of Chess" booklet and there was nothing about this situation.
    Please feel free to shed some light in this query of mine!
    Cheers and good luck
    i don't think you are allowed to do it these days
    it's arrogant and pretentious
    indeed announcing such a sequence might be deemed to be oral "notetaking"
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    Quote Originally Posted by eclectic
    i don't think you are allowed to do it
    it's arrogant and pretentious
    indeed announcing such a sequence might be deemed to oral "notetaking"
    I like the oral note taking idea, but these days I believe it would be against the rule of it being forbidden to distract one's opponent in any way. Saying anything not required by the law would fall under that.
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    Thanks Rinse and Eclecticus for the responses!
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    Right Onz Knights

    Just seems to add a lil flavor to the crowd watching yea winning the match- The Announcer "Lets Get Ready To Mate in t -4 moves"

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    I believe the announcing was all part of the battle and ceremony. Pip pip tally ho. Executioner! Did your family proud. Good chap 'n all that.
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    I suspect the process fell by the wayside because of spurious announcements of forced mates.

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    "Oral Notetaking" ?
    Is that when you eat your written words?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil Bourke
    "Oral Notetaking" ?
    Is that when you eat your written words?
    Reminds me of the adage that a verbal contract is not worth the paper it's written on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    Reminds me of the adage that a verbal contract is not worth the paper it's written on.
    Why not, since "verbal" means using words (Latin verbum = word) as opposed to actions or pictures, say, so a verbal contract could be written or oral. Sometimes "verbal" is used where "oral" would be more precise, but even such a "verbal" agreement can be binding.
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