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    Draw?

    Dead drawn or not? You tell me. All analysis in your head. Post your answer in white text.

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    Need to look closer tomorrow.

    White cant do anything with his bishop and his pawns are imobile.

    Black may have some use with the good knight. Maybe black moves plan is ...

    h4,h3,Nh6,Ng4, or if white inserts h3 thn plan of h4,Ng3 will make the knight active

    Give more detail later, but I think black wins a pawn in all combinations.
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    Dead drawn with anything near best play. White can make no progress if black simply shuffles his king on the queenside. Black can make no progress if white plays h3 preventing ...Ng4. The knight can get to g5 after ...h4 but it cannot actually do anything once there as it soon gets tied to the defence of the h-pawn or else the king comes over and drives it back. Note that if Black tries bringing king to h6 to push ...g5 White will at some stage win by Bxc5!
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    The Gunner obviously meant 1. Bc5... However, I do not see how it is winning after 1... bc 2. Ka5 Kb7 3. b6 Nd4 4. h4 Kc6
    5. Ka6 Kd7 6. Ka7 Nc6 7 Kb7 Nb4 8 Ka7... Seem to be drawn unless I am missing something.


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    Looks drawn. The Q-side lacks an entry point for both sides. White's K side is defensible. If Black plays h4, then it will do no more than exhange this for white's h-pawn. White's advanced Ps restrict Black's pieces a lot that if the Black K moves outside the square of the bP to try to come through the K-side, then Bxc5 could even win for White.
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    Draw !

    White plays h3 and black has nowhere to move his knight and his king has nowhere to go.

    White's only access point is through a Bishop sac on c5 - but can only do this if the black king moves away.

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    The winning try for white seems to be 1.Bxc5, I guess playing it right away too other wise Black next plays Kb7 which helps him defend against this plan. So 1.Bxc5 bxc5 2.Ka5 Kb7 3.b6 Nd4 4.h4 Nc6 5.Kb5 Nb8 and keep shuffling the knight from b8 to c6, should secure at least a draw. That is all I can be bothered figuring out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangafranga
    The winning try for white seems to be 1.Bxc5, I guess playing it right away too other wise Black next plays Kb7 which helps him defend against this plan. So 1.Bxc5 bxc5 2.Ka5 Kb7 3.b6 Nd4 4.h4 Nc6 5.Kb5 Nb8 and keep shuffling the knight from b8 to c6, should secure at least a draw. That is all I can be bothered figuring out.

    After 6. Kc5... and 7. Kd7... and then collecting the pawn on f7, white is winning. That is why black has to play 4... Kc6, see my comment above.

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    Yep you are right about that plan drug. When I imagined it before for some reason c5 was un-traversable (but I imagined c5 was empty, odd). But! There is an alternative to Kc6, Nf5! wins I think. Point being- 4... Nf5! 5.Kb5 Nxh4 6.Kxc5 Nf5 and now Kd6 is blocked, so 7.Kb5 intending c5-c6 etc, but now Nd4+, Nc6, and this time doesn't shuffle. Instead the intetion is to play h3 etc, which makes the King walk to f7 too slow.
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    I will post the analysis and what happened later this evening (with commentary of course!). Any last tries? (in your heads of course )
    And good on everyone for having a bash at it
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    I will post the analysis and what happened later this evening (with commentary of course!). Any last tries? (in your heads of course )
    And good on everyone for having a bash at it
    Black has winning chances because White's Bishop is almost moveless. Knight forks abound.
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    Yes, the position is dead drawn. However ... !

    Genius over here decided OTB that Bxc5 did work. It doesn't! The knight covers everything. What's more, white's king is forced back with a tempo and the knight eats enough space for a black passer.

    Here's the game and the finish. Black has 30 seconds (10 sec inc) when white sacked.

    [Event "Autumn Swiss"]
    [Date "2008.04.03"]
    [Round "3"]
    [White "Howard Duggan"]
    [Black "Tyson Walker"]
    [Result "0-1"]
    [WhiteElo "1562"]
    [BlackElo "1598"]
    [ECO "A47"]

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    Gunner,

    On move 30, instead of b5, did you contemplate swapping everything off and going to a K + P ending? This might have been harder for Tyson to play well since he was surfing the increment.

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    bad luck Howard.

    I admire your courage though. Would have been tempting to sit on the position and take the draw against the higher rated opponent.

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