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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    Very few. But that is a different question than what you asked above. How many yesses does it take to brand me a lefty?
    Pax,

    Nobody is branding anyone. I do not consider the questionnaire itself descriptive. The reaction to the test is a different matter. As You went through the question, one of the 4 situation mentioned above arise. If you answer last two question, which are repeated below for simplicity, we'll be able to determine which of those four applies to you and thus will be able to address the grievance.

    Questions repeated for simplicity:

    1. Do you consider yourself a "lefty"? (Yes/No)
    2. How many (approximately) questions did you answer yes? ("A few" gives some idea, but I'd like a slightly better quantification).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    You need to define your question better. How do I decide if the list is describing me as a lefty or not?
    They exemplify some common corollaries of an over-riding lefty/Anointed belief:

    That they (or Big Government) know better how to run people's lives than than the people do themselves.

    With a corollary:

    That they (or Big Government) know better how to spend money than those who actually earned it.

    Pax on this board has often supported these two points in various aspects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    That they (or Big Government) know better how to spend money than those who actually earned it.
    This is a huge strawman since you do not propose the end of taxation, and are quite happy for the US to spend trillions (of other people's money) on the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    2. How many (approximately) questions did you answer yes? ("A few" gives some idea, but I'd like a slightly better quantification).
    About five depending on how many technicalities you count, and discounting a number of logically flawed points.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    e.g The writings of Karl Marx are set in stone because, well, he's dead.
    "The Marxists have merely interpreted Marxism in various ways; the point, however, is to change it."- Hochhuth

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    will everybody please
    chillax!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    About five depending on how many technicalities you count, and discounting a number of logically flawed points.
    What about the other question:
    "Do you consider yourself a lefty?" (yes/no, you can use your own understanding of the word "lefty")
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    What about the other question:
    "Do you consider yourself a lefty?" (yes/no, you can use your own understanding of the word "lefty")
    See above. If you must use "left" and "right", I'm probably more left than right, but it depends on the issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    This is a huge strawman since you do not propose the end of taxation, and are quite happy for the US to spend trillions (of other people's money) on the military.
    Of course: a major purpose of the government is to protect its people from being harmed by others, whether the dangers are from the outside (military) or from the inside (police).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    See above. If you must use "left" and "right", I'm probably more left than right, but it depends on the issue.
    OH NO IT DOESN'T!!!
    YOU'RE A LEFTY ON EVERYTHING! ALL LEFTIES ARE LEFTIES ON EVERYTHING

    Even Boris' and Fludes who profess to have voted right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    What is exactly your concern? Thee are four possible outcomes:
    1. You think you are not lefty, but according to questionnaire you are
    2. You think you are lefty, and questionnaire agrees with you.
    3. You think you are lefty, but according to questionnaire you are not.
    4. You think you are not lefty, and questionnaire agrees with you.
    A person going through the questions might be unhappy in case of any outcome. However, to address the grievance it is important to know which particular outcome the person in question is unhappy with.

    Would you be so kind to inform the forum what was your outcome?
    Sorry for quoting myself.
    Pax agreed that he is in situation 2 mentioned above (unless I misunderstood and it's situation 3) and is unhappy about it.

    Quite honestly, I don't understand why.

    The whole questionnaire is not about left versus right, not about big government versus free market, not about collective versus individual.

    It is about double standard/hypocrisy and internal contradictions of some of the proponents of socialist orientation.
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    # You have not seen The Passion of the Christ, and you don’t know anyone who has seen it.

    I haven't seen the movie. I have no idea whether people I know saw it or not (not that I care much), so the answer would be know.

    # If you don't see the parallel between yourself, Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin and Chairman Mao.

    I tried to find parallel between myself and any of the other three and couldn't.
    Unfortunately I am not as smart as any of them, fortunately don't have anything in common in other areas.

    It means two yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    Sorry for quoting myself.
    Pax agreed that he is in situation 2 mentioned above (unless I misunderstood and it's situation 3) and is unhappy about it.
    You're just making this up as you go along.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    Jon (pax). It's OK mate. Really. We're all good here.

    Just do a Google on "You Know You're A When You're A" and similar pages will come up like a fruit machine. But you know this already.
    Here's one my wife found a while back that she can relate to:

    You Know You're A Homeschool Mom When...
    • You get to change more than diapers, you get to change their minds.
    • When a child busts a lip, and after seeing she's okay, you round up some scotch tape to capture some blood and look at it under the microscope!
    • You find dead animals and actually consider saving them to dissect later.
    • Your children never ever leave the "why?" stage.
    • When your teenager decides to take one community college course, and comes home and asks you why the teacher wrote "At" on his paper. (A+)
    • You ask for, and get, a copier instead of a diamond tennis bracelet for your wedding anniversary.
    • Your kids think reading history is best accomplished while lying on the floor with their head resting on the side of their patient dog.
    • Your husband can walk in at the end of a long day and tell how the science experiment went just by looking at the house.
    • You never have to drive your child's forgotten lunch to school.
    • Your child will never suffer the embarrassment of group showers after PE.
    • The only debate about the school lunch program is whose turn it is to cook.
    • You never have to face the dilemma of whether to take your child's side or the teacher's side in a dispute at school.
    • If your child gets drugs at school, it's probably panadol.
    • Your neighbors think you are insane.
    • Your kids learn new vocabulary from their extensive collection of "Calvin & Hobbes" books.
    • Your formal dining room now has a computer, copy machine, and many book shelves and there are educational posters and maps all over the walls.
    • You have meal worms growing in a container....on purpose.
    • If you get caught talking to yourself, you can claim you're having a PTA meeting.
    • Talking out loud to yourself is a parent/teacher conference.
    • You take off for a teacher in-service day because the principal needs clean underwear.
    • You can't make it through a movie without pointing out the historical inaccuracies.
    • You step on math manipulative on your pre-dawn stumble to the bathroom.
    • The teacher gets to kiss the principal in the faculty lounge and no one gossips.
    • Your honor student can actually read the bumper sticker that you have put on your car.
    • If your child claims that the dog ate his homework, you can ask the dog.
    • Some day your children will consider you to be a miracle-working expert and will turn to you for advice.
    • Your kids refer to the neighbor kids as "government school inmates."
    • You can't make it through the grocery produce department without asking your preschooler the name and color of every vegetable.
    • You can't put your produce in your cart without asking your older student to estimate it's weight and verify accuracy.
    • You live in a one-house schoolroom.
    • Your favorite Christmas gift was a gift certificate to a book store.
    • The principal can give the teacher a pat on the behind and it's not harassment.
    • Your kids will actually talk to grown ups at a family gathering and are actually patient with kids half their age.
    • You can take the time to look at a tiny spider on a log.
    • You can listen to your child's favorite hilarious passage from Hank the Cowdog 47 times.
    • Your daughter, who is practically a vegetarian, is begging her dad to shoot some starlings so she can pluck them and clean them up to make a "blackbird" pie just like the Ingalls family.
    • You're almost afraid to put your hand in your purse because you not sure if your 6yo has put something that's alive (or possibly not alive, but once was) to take home to view under the microscope.
    • You have a line item in your budget for overdue book fines.
    • You have to add the words: "homeschool, homeschooler, and homeschooling" to your computer's spell checker so it will stop marking them as wrong.
    • Your house in on the Parade of Homes List — for educational merchandisers.
    • When visiting a strange town you see a parking lot full of mini-vans and station wagons and wonder if it's a homeschooling conference.
    • Your friends don't want to help you move because you have so many books.
    • Your school clothes have more holes in the knees than your play clothes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    # You have not seen The Passion of the Christ, and you don’t know anyone who has seen it.

    I haven't seen the movie. I have no idea whether people I know saw it or not (not that I care much), so the answer would be know.

    # If you don't see the parallel between yourself, Adolph Hitler, Josef Stalin and Chairman Mao.

    I tried to find parallel between myself and any of the other three and couldn't.
    Unfortunately I am not as smart as any of them, fortunately don't have anything in common in other areas.

    It means two yes.
    LEFTY!

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