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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Again, not proven. Leadership positions often require long hours at the office, and women are often more sensible about prioritizing family time over work.
    Also speculation. Times have changed - women are no longer prevented from following careers by their biological constraints of bearing children along the way.

    What is proven is the under-representation of women in the House of Representatives. The ALP, which has a policy of pre-selecting at least one woman for every three winnable seats, has a 41% female representation. The Libs have 20%, Nationals 6%. Women are standing as candidates in record numbers, but the pre-selection processes of the major parties operate under mens' rules.

    Politicians’ positions have never been determined on merit. Of course, there are many people who have merit who come into parliament and that is a mix of the ability and the commitment to what they believe in from their particular political ideology. But we have never been able, in any country that I know of, to actually list these particular criteria for determining who will make a good political representative. Politicians’ positions are determined by their ability to win support from a narrow section of a political party or trade union, by their knowledge and their experience within that structure and their ability to attract the numbers in pre-selection ballots.

    ‘Merit’ is in the eye of the beholder and traditionally Australian mateship has perpetuated the assumption that men will be more likely to have the appropriate mix of qualities to suit them for parliamentary life. Dale Spender’s assessment of the merit argument suggests that: ‘Men can’t or won’t see that their definitions of merit, expectation and experiences are nothing more than rules they’ve made up to protect their own positions.’
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    But apparently your answer is to select women over men regardless of merit, just like the emasculated politically correct Polizei and military. Of course, affirmative action hires don't get the respect, and neither do they deserve it. The problem is that this disrespect carries over to the members of the favoured group who earned their positions on merit.
    You assume too much. I am challenging the underlying premise - that in the good old days selection was always by merit, which is simply not true. The majority of Australians, women, have always been discriminated against by the minority male population. The situation is slowly improving, aided by quotas when necessary to overcome the inertia.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    ...But apparently your answer is to select women over men regardless of merit, just like the emasculated politically correct Polizei and military. Of course, affirmative action hires don't get the respect, and neither do they deserve it. The problem is that this disrespect carries over to the members of the favoured group who earned their positions on merit.
    There is a more rational explanation, to dilute the embedded cultural misogynism in the military.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Also speculation. Times have changed - women are no longer prevented from following careers by their biological constraints of bearing children along the way.
    No they are not. But it is only natural that people who work for longer hours and have less leave will accumulate more hours and experience. As Thomas Sowell points out:

    For example, some women are mothers and some men are fathers. But does the fact that they are both parents make them comparable in the labor market? Actually the biggest disparity in incomes is between fathers and mothers. Nor is there anything mysterious about this, when you stop and think about it.

    How surprising is it that women with children do not earn as much as women who do not have children? If you don’t think children take up a mother’s time, you just haven’t raised any children.

    How surprising is it that men with children earn more than men without children, just the opposite of the situation with women? Is it surprising that a man who has more mouths to feed is more likely to work longer hours? Or take on harder or more dangerous jobs, in order to earn more money?

    More than 90 percent of the people who are killed on the job are men.

    There is no point pretending that there are no differences between what women do and what men do in the workplace, or that these differences don’t affect income.

    When the hours and experience are equalized, then the disparities disappear. Another Sowell column pointed out:

    As far back as 1971, single women in their thirties who had worked continuously since high school earned slightly more than men of the same description. As far back as 1969, academic women who had never married earned more than academic men who had never married.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    What is proven is the under-representation of women in the House of Representatives. The ALP, which has a policy of pre-selecting at least one woman for every three winnable seats, has a 41% female representation. The Libs have 20%, Nationals 6%. Women are standing as candidates in record numbers, but the pre-selection processes of the major parties operate under mens' rules.
    Any proof of that? Again, a lot of the above presupposes that numerical disparity is in itself proof of discrimination.

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    ‘Merit’ is in the eye of the beholder
    If you believe that, then you have no basis for asserting discrimination between men and women of equal merit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    You assume too much. I am challenging the underlying premise - that in the good old days selection was always by merit, which is simply not true. The majority of Australians, women, have always been discriminated against by the minority male population. The situation is slowly improving, aided by quotas when necessary to overcome the inertia.
    Quotas are never necessary. What you really mean is: you don't really object to sexual discrimination, as long as it is Left approved discrimination.
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    Sensible law prof undoing politically correct anti-logic

    Undoing the Dis-Education of Millennials
    By Adam J. MacLeod, associate professor of law at Jones School of Law at Faulkner University in Montgomery, Alabama
    New Boston Post, 9 November 2017

    So, here are three ground rules for the rest of the semester.

    1. The only “ism” I ever want to come out your mouth is a syllogism. If I catch you using an “ism” or its analogous “ist” — racist, classist, etc. — then you will not be permitted to continue speaking until you have first identified which “ism” you are guilty of at that very moment. You are not allowed to fault others for being biased or privileged until you have first identified and examined your own biases and privileges.

    2. If I catch you this semester using the words “fair,” “diversity,” or “equality,” or a variation on those terms, and you do not stop immediately to explain what you mean, you will lose your privilege to express any further opinions in class until you first demonstrate that you understand three things about the view that you are criticizing.

    3. If you ever begin a statement with the words “I feel,” before continuing you must cluck like a chicken or make some other suitable animal sound.

    To their credit, the students received the speech well. And so far this semester, only two students have been required to cluck like chickens.
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