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    1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 e5 3.g3 Nf6 4.Bg2 c5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.0-0 Be7 7.e3 0-0 8.d4 d6 9.d5 Na5 10.Qd3 Bd7 11.e4 a6 12.b3 Rb8 13.Nd1 b5 14.Bd2 g6 15.Qc3 Nxc4 16.bxc4 Nxe4 17.Qc2 Nxd2 18.Nxd2 f5 19.Rb1 e4 20.f3 exf3 21.Nxf3 Bf6 22.Ne3 Bg7 23.Qd3 f4 24.gxf4 Rxf4 25.Nd2 Qg5 26.Rxf4 Qxf4 27.Rf1 Qh6 28.Ne4 Qh4 29.Qe2 Be5 30.h3 Bxh3 31.Bxh3 Qxe4 32.cxb5 axb5 33.Be6+ Kh8 34.Rf3 Bg7 35.Qg2 Qe5 36.Qf2 c4 37.a3 c3 38.Nc2 Qg5 39.Qg2 Qh6 40.Qe2 Be5 41.Qf2 Ra8 42.Bd7 Qc1 43.Kg2 Qg5

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    1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 e5 3.g3 Nf6 4.Bg2 c5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.0-0 Be7 7.e3 0-0 8.d4 d6 9.d5 Na5 10.Qd3 Bd7 11.e4 a6 12.b3 Rb8 13.Nd1 b5 14.Bd2 g6 15.Qc3 Nxc4 16.bxc4 Nxe4 17.Qc2 Nxd2 18.Nxd2 f5 19.Rb1 e4 20.f3 exf3 21.Nxf3 Bf6 22.Ne3 Bg7 23.Qd3 f4 24.gxf4 Rxf4 25.Nd2 Qg5 26.Rxf4 Qxf4 27.Rf1 Qh6 28.Ne4 Qh4 29.Qe2 Be5 30.h3 Bxh3 31.Bxh3 Qxe4 32.cxb5 axb5 33.Be6+ Kh8 34.Rf3 Bg7 35.Qg2 Qe5 36.Qf2 c4 37.a3 c3 38.Nc2 Qg5 39.Qg2 Qh6 40.Qe2 Be5 41.Qf2 Ra8 42.Bd7 Qc1 43.Kg2 Qg5 44.Kf1 Bg7

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    1.c4 e6 2.Nc3 e5 3.g3 Nf6 4.Bg2 c5 5.Nf3 Nc6 6.0-0 Be7 7.e3 0-0 8.d4 d6 9.d5 Na5 10.Qd3 Bd7 11.e4 a6 12.b3 Rb8 13.Nd1 b5 14.Bd2 g6 15.Qc3 Nxc4 16.bxc4 Nxe4 17.Qc2 Nxd2 18.Nxd2 f5 19.Rb1 e4 20.f3 exf3 21.Nxf3 Bf6 22.Ne3 Bg7 23.Qd3 f4 24.gxf4 Rxf4 25.Nd2 Qg5 26.Rxf4 Qxf4 27.Rf1 Qh6 28.Ne4 Qh4 29.Qe2 Be5 30.h3 Bxh3 31.Bxh3 Qxe4 32.cxb5 axb5 33.Be6+ Kh8 34.Rf3 Bg7 35.Qg2 Qe5 36.Qf2 c4 37.a3 c3 38.Nc2 Qg5 39.Qg2 Qh6 40.Qe2 Be5 41.Qf2 Ra8 42.Bd7 Qc1 43.Kg2 Qg5 44.Kf1 Bg7 45.Bc6 Rb8

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    draw offer.

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    Draw accepted. From my perspective, the miniscule chance of squaring the match doesn't justify the incredible amount of fiddling about needed to try to squeeze something useful out of this. And I don't think there are serious winning chances for white anyway, while if white pushes too hard it's vaguely losable.

    I found this game quite frustrating and I don't think I played it well at all. Whatever the reason for 2...e5, the lack of immediate engagement common in the English means that white has to play sharply to turn a lost move into anything really advantageous and I didn't feel that I was doing that. Just when I thought I was getting somewhere, you played a very interesting piece sac that I hadn't paid much attention to and that was quite awkward to play against as I had very little piece play.

    Perhaps 23.Qd3 was a mistake, or at least my reason for playing it was wrong - I thought it led to a strong position (about +0.4) but it turned out that in one line F11 had frozen on an incorrect evaluation (strange little bug that it has sometimes). I would have cross-checked against my own judgement but in that sort of position, I don't have any! 23.Bh3 might have been a better try but I'm not sure if that led to anything.

    Congrats on winning the match.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Draw accepted. From my perspective, the miniscule chance of squaring the match doesn't justify the incredible amount of fiddling about needed to try to squeeze something useful out of this. And I don't think there are serious winning chances for white anyway, while if white pushes too hard it's vaguely losable.
    Interesting, my evals were saying that I was ahead by about 0.2 for quite a few moves. So looks like we were both trying to flog an even position.

    As for the draw offer, similar thoughts to you, except when I made the offer I was spending time on the other game, so did not want to 'waste' time on this game for what I thought was going to be a draw anyways.

    The draw offer was certainly tactical. I had expected c6 Ne8 fxe4 Kxe4 in the other game and was wanting to devote time to that game instead of this game, which seemed to be heading nowhere in a hurry.

    Whatever the reason for 2...e5, the lack of immediate engagement common in the English means that white has to play sharply to turn a lost move into anything really advantageous and I didn't feel that I was doing that.
    2. ... e5 was simply a move notation error In otb games, I am more likely to play 1. c4 Nf6. In this game I decided to give e5 a whirl thinking I had played Nf6 on move one. So I did not double check and just put in e5. I was incredibly fortunate that you had not play Nf3 yet or I would have been saccing a pawn almost in the variety of Qd4 from a previous game

    I found this game quite frustrating and I don't think I played it well at all. Just when I thought I was getting somewhere, you played a very interesting piece sac that I hadn't paid much attention to and that was quite awkward to play against as I had very little piece play.
    I think 15. Ne3 is 'required' instead of Qc3 to avoid the played piece sac. Still it turned a plodding along game into something of interest.

    Perhaps 23.Qd3 was a mistake, or at least my reason for playing it was wrong - I thought it led to a strong position (about +0.4) but it turned out that in one line F11 had frozen on an incorrect evaluation (strange little bug that it has sometimes). I would have cross-checked against my own judgement but in that sort of position, I don't have any! 23.Bh3 might have been a better try but I'm not sure if that led to anything.
    Rybka is giving black as slightly ahead by now, about 0.1, so not much though. Bh3 might have been a better try as you point out.

    On move 32, I think Qf3 gives more play and if I exchange queens, my attack is diluted.

    More comments to come after your replies.

    Congrats on winning the match.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I found this game quite frustrating and I don't think I played it well at all. Whatever the reason for 2...e5, the lack of immediate engagement common in the English means that white has to play sharply to turn a lost move into anything really advantageous and I didn't feel that I was doing that.
    After move 11 it looked kinda like you turned it into an Old Indian position where white didn't have much. 3.Nf3!

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    Doesn't 24...bxc4 win a rook? If Nxc4 Bf5. And if Qxc4 Bb5. And if you don't take with either then the pawn is pretty strong!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    Interesting, my evals were saying that I was ahead by about 0.2 for quite a few moves. So looks like we were both trying to flog an even position.
    I had that too although over the last few moves black's advantage had come down to less than 0.1, and once I entered in several moves it tended to go to zero and stay there (give or take a few meaningless hundredths).

    I think 15. Ne3 is 'required' instead of Qc3 to avoid the played piece sac.
    Yes; Qc3 might then come later. But it is very challenging to get anything happening if I take my time about it (since you have time to get in ...Qc7 and ...Bd8 if you want to hold the knight where it is; also you may be able to open the b-file) so I chose to strike more quickly. Alas, I didn't take the sac seriously enough.

    On move 32, I think Qf3 gives more play and if I exchange queens, my attack is diluted.
    I looked at this quite a lot. For a number of moves it makes not a great deal of difference what I do, but I didn't play Qf3 right away on move 32 because I found the reply ...Qd3 a bit irritating.

    Quote Originally Posted by mangafranga
    After move 11 it looked kinda like you turned it into an Old Indian position where white didn't have much. 3.Nf3!
    I was looking quite seriously at, of all things, 3.f4!? I rejected it on the grounds that I shouldn't have to take any risks with a tempo in hand on move 2, but considering my great ability to waste time in the opening in quiet positions, I probably should have played it anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexrules01
    Doesn't 24...bxc4 win a rook? If Nxc4 Bf5.
    Good try but then White can play Rxb8! so if black takes white's queen, white takes black's. Black ends up not getting the f-pawn back like in the game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    I was looking quite seriously at, of all things, 3.f4!?
    Haha awesome.

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    Fritz thought it was only very slightly less good than Nf3 and g3 (which it considered interchangeable).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Fritz thought it was only very slightly less good than Nf3 and g3 (which it considered interchangeable).
    The simple idea I had for Nf3 is that you should be able to get a (very) quick d4 in. The other idea is to transpose to something, but this might get very complicated if you are transposing to a reverse something and you are up 1 tempo from e6-e5, and another from being white.

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