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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    ... Free market advocacy doesn't require martyrdom. ...
    I completely agree, of course. And I assume that you'd agree this also applies to diabetics dying because they can't afford insulin. Your free-market solution may work - but it also might not, and even if it does it will likely take time for competitors to enter the drug market. On the other hand, price controls will solve the problem immediately, and there is no danger of over-consumption in this case.

    So why not introduce price controls now, to save lives, and deal with the other problems later? You keep arguing that the US healthcare system isn't a free market one anyway, so what does it matter if it becomes a bit less free market?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    I completely agree, of course. And I assume that you'd agree this also applies to diabetics dying because they can't afford insulin.
    I do.

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    So why not introduce price controls now, to save lives, and deal with the other problems later?
    So why not support what the libertarians are proposing, and allow diabetics to import insulin from Canada, now, and save lives?

    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    You keep arguing that the US healthcare system isn't a free market one anyway, so what does it matter if it becomes a bit less free market?
    Obviously, I want it to become more free market, because that will bring costs down for all.
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    But will that put Americans out of work? Will there be Trumpian tariffs?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    I do.


    So why not support what the libertarians are proposing, and allow diabetics to import insulin from Canada, now, and save lives?


    Obviously, I want it to become more free market, because that will bring costs down for all.
    I think the core problem that many free market opponents tend to ignore is that it is impossible to have BEST prices without having a free market place without these prices being heavily subsidised. Short-term - all kind of market manipulation is possible but long term. Only free market economy can deliver best productivity/best prices. The concept of self-regulating market place is the core principle of economics.

    This is why those who do not want a Market economy do not really have an argument against it.

    You can have arguments against illegal practices by the companies in order to keep the prices artificially high (should such practices be taking place) but no interference into a marketplace can improve long term productivity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    So why not support what the libertarians are proposing, and allow diabetics to import insulin from Canada, now, and save lives?
    I don't have any problem with people in the US taking advantage of Canadian socialism

    But as this is an obvious admission that price controls work, why not introduce them in the US as well? That would make life much easier for US diabetics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    I think the core problem that many free market opponents tend to ignore is that it is impossible to have BEST prices without having a free market place without these prices being heavily subsidised. Short-term - all kind of market manipulation is possible but long term. Only free market economy can deliver best productivity/best prices. The concept of self-regulating market place is the core principle of economics. This is why those who do not want a Market economy do not really have an argument against it. You can have arguments against illegal practices by the companies in order to keep the prices artificially high (should such practices be taking place) but no interference into a marketplace can improve long term productivity.
    That is true in general. But free markets don't work in healthcare, for obvious reasons. If you're seriously ill, you can't shop around

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    That is true in general. But free markets don't work in healthcare, for obvious reasons. If you're seriously ill, you can't shop around
    There are caretakers etc who can shop on your behalf.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    There are caretakers etc who can shop on your behalf.
    Did you miss the bit where I said that you were seriously ill

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    Did you miss the bit where I said that you were seriously ill
    It makes me ill just listening to the advertisements of free market aged health care. Just one business has never stopped blanket advertising for years. Why isn't this money being spent instead on caring for customers. There are also never ending stories of neglect of customers due to staff shortages that I conclude the money has been spent on advertising instead. There should not be profit making in health care .
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