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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    I've found it hard to make out what the argument actually is.
    The fault of the media again!

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    Fortunately, Fascistbook doesn't seem to be blocking this site.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    I've found it hard to make out what the argument actually is. It may be that an argument is that often people browsing news on social media are doing the digital equivalent of the old practice of picking up the newspaper, skimming it quickly to see if any of the headlines are interesting, and only buying it if they are - which in the old days might get you stared at by the newsagent. Especially as a lot of people react to news on social media without even attempting to read beyond the headline and summary at the top of the argument.
    I think the argument runs something like, that the media companies acting alone are in an unfair negotiation position of payment for content etc with the likes of Facebook, since the latter has an effective monopoly, so the government is stepping in.
    Which is probably true, but then again it's difficult to feel sympathy for such companies, when some of them seem to be quite anti-competition monopolies in their own contexts as well.
    And to add to the cynicism is the fact that one wonders if the chief beneficiary of the Liberal government actions would be it's longtime ally Rupert Murdoch.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    I don't see any reason why Facebook should pay big media for a service the media benefit from, especially since it is only certain media sources. Just seems like a gouge by old media sources that are deservedly struggling because their product is bad. I do think Facebook should be forced to provide proper user services or be banned, but that's a different matter, as is whether Facebook should pay more taxes. Also Facebook's behaviour today looks like a colossal overreaction and won't help them.
    Facebook's overreaction is definitely bad publicity for it. But how would you ban a private company for choosing not to provide a service, even if that service is considered a necessary one? There's no evidence of discrimination in the bans. I think the real problem is that Facebook is a monopoly provider - but it's not clear how the Australian government could encourage competitors.

    The best suggested solution I've seen is for the Australian government to provide alternatives, as it does in other areas regarded as necessary, such as medicine or transport.

    The other solution would be for Australians to just stop using it, of course!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    But how would you ban a private company for choosing not to provide a service, even if that service is considered a necessary one?
    What I had in mind there was issues such as algorithm bans and inability to contact customer support. I was personally locked out of my Facebook account for 24 hours by a simple password resetting bug and just lucky that my partner found a non-Facebook website that had found a solution to the problem that turned out to work, as there was no way to actually contact Facebook about the problem that I could find. I was locked out of Instagram (not that I use it much) for weeks. I have seen cases where other users have been banned over images that have wrongly been considered problematic. It is similar on Twitter where many users have been subject to spurious algorithm bans (eg those who call out 5G COVID conspiracies are often banned on the assumption that they are spreading the conspiracies rather than attacking them.)

    If we accept that these websites are essential services then what does that say for a person who loses access to such a service for no reason? In fact such people do find ways to function without these websites but can be severely disadvantaged in business by it.

    So I think we should say to Facebook that if you want to operate in this country we're not going to make you prop up dodgy old media dynasties but we are going to make you provide proper customer service. I don't think they would leave, but even if they did, replacements would emerge, or people would just shift more to using other existing sites.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    I think the argument runs something like, that the media companies acting alone are in an unfair negotiation position of payment for content etc with the likes of Facebook, since the latter has an effective monopoly, so the government is stepping in.
    Which is probably true, but then again it's difficult to feel sympathy for such companies, when some of them seem to be quite anti-competition monopolies in their own contexts as well.
    And to add to the cynicism is the fact that one wonders if the chief beneficiary of the Liberal government actions would be it's longtime ally Rupert Murdoch.
    And media outlets like News upload to their FB pages links to their websites, which FB allows at no cost (while data harvesting when those links are clicked). It is hard to justify charging FB for providing links to other media

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    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Apparently facebook will be opening the news sites back up, doesn't appear to have been done yet though.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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