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    king to e2

    i had this in a game recently.
    1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 Bf5 4. e3 e6 now i was thinking not to play why not the daring c4 it was very interesting 5. c4 Bxb1 6. Rxb1 Bb4+ 7. Ke2
    i drew this game. is white in a bad way or is it only ugly looking i mean say f3 then kf2 Bd3 with g4 and h4 looks almost book.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobby1972
    i had this in a game recently.
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    I'd strongly advise against this. It blocks your Nf1, and Black can blast open the centre quickly with ... c5. Black probably needs to pull back the B first to d6 then castle in preparation. White might be able to struggle for equality but why go to all that effort?
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    I guess if you play 5.c4 you're committed to Ke2, because 6.Qxb1 can't be that appealling and 7.Ne2 just loses to ...Ne4.

    Chessbase has ten games with both players >2200 but the score is in black's favour (+3=2-5 for white) and some of the games featured white outrating black.

    Kamsky has played it but no-one else much over 2500 has.

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    incredible even when you blunder its in the book.during the game after Bb4+ i felt like giving it up only the fact that it was the oz champs made me play on.i mean at the end i got .5 out of 4 by a miracle could not see anything too heavy this turny 11 round its very hard,too hard for me no excuses i am just very glad its over and to have played in one ,that was great.how do some of the older players do it man i never have experinenced such drain from chess .i now relise how very hard is this turney i mean in the open there is so many easy games here every game was hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bobby1972
    i had this in a game recently.
    1. d4 d5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bf4 Bf5 4. e3 e6 now i was thinking not to play why not the daring c4 it was very interesting 5. c4 Bxb1 6. Rxb1 Bb4+ 7. Ke2
    i drew this game. is white in a bad way or is it only ugly looking i mean say f3 then kf2 Bd3 with g4 and h4 looks almost book.
    If white has such problems so early in the game its certainly not good. May be 5.c4 is not a move to play
    how about Bd3!?
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    ke2 i am told is in kovacevic book on the london and he says c4! is best can you believe it,amazing

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    I just ran it through Fritz.

    After Ke2, black is about 1 pawn better (-0.98)

    I suggest on move 6, play Qa4+, then 7.Rxb1. Your position still looks good.

    But Fritz rathers 6.Qxb1 Bb4+ 7.Kd1 0-0.

    I prefer 6.Qa4+ but thats just me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexrules01
    I just ran it through Fritz.

    After Ke2, black is about 1 pawn better (-0.98)
    Which version are you using?

    My copy of Fritz11 reckons it is virtually equal (-0.08 after a few minutes).

    In any case, computer evaluations aren't always all that useful in the opening.

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    I might run it for longer and I'm using Fritz10.

    And yea, I know computers see positions different, thats why I rather 6.Qa4+
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    Vlatko kovacevic says c4 is best, but doesn't recommend it as most readers dont have the combined defensive skill for a central king and technical skill to exploit the two bishops in this situation.

    The book recommends 5.Nbd2

    note- kovacevic has Qx in his book and the Queen check is given !? as an alternative without commentary.

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    OK, after 10 minutes of Fritz 10 looking at the position after 7.Ke2, black is
    -0.71 better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CameronD
    Vlatko kovacevic says c4 is best, but doesn't recommend it as most readers dont have the combined defensive skill for a central king and technical skill to exploit the two bishops in this situation.

    The book recommends 5.Nbd2

    note- kovacevic has Qx in his book and the Queen check is given !? as an alternative without commentary.
    Yes, it is an interesting move. But I overlooked that the Kinght on c6 (if you play 6.Qa4+ Nc6) is covering the b4 square, so the bishop can check anyway.
    So this has changed my opion a little, but bringing the queen out with an uncastled king my prove handy.

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    to say nothing of my early (very early) K to d2 also in the championship ,this K moves scored 1.5 out of 2 in oz champs not bad,and to think all the bad press early king moves get?

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