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    Problem's with the solutions in problem books

    Hi Everyone,

    I was going through 1001 Brilliant ways to Checkmate by Fred Reinfeld today and yesterday, and was a bit puzzled by some of his solutions.

    For example ( white to move )

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    this was in a chapter about Queen Sacrifices

    The problem was that I found a mate in three and kept the queen; the solution featured a mate in four, with the queen donated.

    Then later on I found this position ( black to move )

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    Which gave a solution in 12 moves ( well 11 in the solution which overlooked a queen sacrifice desperado) and yet I found a mate in 6 and kept my queen.

    And finally we have this position ( black to move )

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    Where I found a mate in 3, yet kept the queen, and the solution wished for a mate in 4.

    Has anyone else encountered this form of difficulty with these problem books or any others?

    I recall at some time when Fischer was challenged for not mating more quickly in a game that he said, " I had seen this one" or words to that effect.

    Is this the same story but in print? I would welcome any feedback

    Take care and God Bless, Macavity

    PS will post the solutions in a couple of days, if required

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    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    I was going through 1001 Brilliant ways to Checkmate by Fred Reinfeld today and yesterday, and was a bit puzzled by some of his solutions.

    For example ( white to move )
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    1. Ng3+ Kh4 2. Nf3+ Kg4 3. h3# v 1. Qf3+ Bg4 2. Qxg4+ Nxg4 3. Ng3+ Kh4 4. Nf3#.

    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    this was in a chapter about Queen Sacrifices

    The problem was that I found a mate in three and kept the queen; the solution featured a mate in four, with the queen donated.

    Then later on I found this position ( black to move )
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    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    Which gave a solution in 12 moves ( well 11 in the solution which overlooked a queen sacrifice desperado) and yet I found a mate in 6 and kept my queen.
    The simple 1... Qg4 leaves White with no good defence against 2... Rxh3+ mating.

    The "solution" presumably begins with 1... Qxh3+, e.g. 2. gxh3 Rxh3+ 3. Kg2 Rh2+ 4. Kg3 Bd6+ 5. Kg4 ...


    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    And finally we have this position ( black to move )
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    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    Where I found a mate in 3, yet kept the queen, and the solution wished for a mate in 4.
    Sure looks like it. 1... Rxg2+ 2. Kxg2 Qxh3+ 3. Kg1 Rg3# v. 1. ... Qxh3+ 2. gxh3 Bd6+ 3. Qe5 Bxe5+ 4. Kh1 Rxh3#

    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    Has anyone else encountered this form of difficulty with these problem books or any others?
    Yeah. But these Reinfeld books are still very good for tactical training.

    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    I recall at some time when Fischer was challenged for not mating more quickly in a game that he said, " I had seen this one" or words to that effect.

    Is this the same story but in print? I would welcome any feedback
    Not sure, but Chernev advised in Logical Chess that if a clear way to victory is found, don't bother searching for another one; "Leave the brilliancies to Alekhine and Keres". And Kotov in Think Like a Grandmaster advised the same, giving an example where Keres himself went wrong in a crucial game against Filip, when his adjournment analysis found five ways to win, but he picked a sixth choice which lost.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    Has anyone else encountered this form of difficulty with these problem books or any others?
    Yes, but I don't consider these errors a big deal. I quite like finding the errors, as long as they are small and not many.

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    Looking at this thread for the first time. I did Chernev's problem books when I was much younger, and always found that there were many ways to win the positions apart from the intended combination.

    I recommend Blokh's books these days for combinations. I thought the first edition was the best, a green one. There are at least 3 other combo books by him now which are all very good. They are good because the combo is the only way to win (or draw) and a lot of the positions have a combo for each player. Also the level of difficulty is very clear and accurate.
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    Solution to first one

    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
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    this was in a chapter about Queen Sacrifices
    Perhaps because it said in chapter about Queen Sacrifices? My solution in white below:

    1.Qf7+ Qxf7 2.Ng3+ Kh4 3.Nf3+ Kg4 4.h3 checkmate!

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