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    Can black win?

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    Can black win? Black to move.

    I was playing black, my continuation was:

    40... h4 41. Kg2 g4 42. Kf2 g3+ 43. Kg2 Kg4 44. h3+ Kf4 45. Kf1 Kf3 46. Kg1 g2 47. Kh2 g1=Q+ 48. Kxg1 Kg3 49. Kh1 Kxh3 50. Kg1 Kg3 51. Kh1 h3 52. Kg1 h2+ 53. Kh1 Kh3 1/2-1/2

    I'm sending my opponent the link to this thread aswell so if you have any tips for him feel free to share them.
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    Starting to think the bishop sac for the last pawn there was really stupid, should have used it just to block his queening square, eh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DanielBell
    Starting to think the bishop sac for the last pawn there was really stupid, should have used it just to block his queening square, eh?
    Haven't got much time, but Bg2,would have given you more time and put his king to far from the action.

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    Daniel, I think you were winning up until your 38.Kf4 ... if you went to g4 instead (38.Kg4) then you can win the h2 pawn. e.g.
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    It's also a good idea in principle not to bring the h-pawn up in these kinds of positions but to leave it there so you can decide later whether to move it one square or two. For instance even if white can get in the corner and save the h-pawn, then whether the ending is a win or a draw could depend on whether white's king is on g1 or h1 at the point black finally plays ...g3. If you hold back the h-pawn then should white's king get into the corner you can decide between ...h6 and ...h5 in a way that forces white to go where you want him to.

    I'm not completely certain, but I think the diagram position at the top of the thread is a draw.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    It's also a good idea in principle not to bring the h-pawn up in these kinds of positions but to leave it there so you can decide later whether to move it one square or two. For instance even if white can get in the corner and save the h-pawn, then whether the ending is a win or a draw could depend on whether white's king is on g1 or h1 at the point black finally plays ...g3. If you hold back the h-pawn then should white's king get into the corner you can decide between ...h6 and ...h5 in a way that forces white to go where you want him to.

    I'm not completely certain, but I think the diagram position at the top of the thread is a draw.
    In the diagrammed position, if B is trying to win, advancing the RP first is no way to do it. But the position is drawn anyway. Paul Keres has the identica position with colours reversed in his Practical Chess Endings, p. 36, diag. 41, after the first moves. The position he cites has the Ks on the knight's file but the first moves he gives transfers them to the B file giving rise to the position diagrammed in this thread but with colours reversed. With B (our example not his) to move he says no progress can be made after only 2 moves ( B moves either Ke4 or g4) and the opposing K just moves to either e2 or g2 and back to f2 again. Moreover Keres says it is drawn even with W to move.

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    Tablebase says draw! Also, last move to win was 39...Kg4

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