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    How politically correct racist patronizing attitudes hurt ordinary Aborigines

    Judge Sarah Bradley, District Court, Cairns Qld sez in a paper Using Indigenous Justice Initiatives in Sentencing:

    The statistical facts highlight why Indigenous offenders should be given special consideration in courts.

    So she let off a gang of pedophile scum who gang-raped a 10yo girl because she must have asked for it:

    Nine males who pleaded guilty last month to gang-raping a 10-year-old girl at the Aurukun Aboriginal community on Cape York have escaped a prison term, with the sentencing judge saying the child victim "probably agreed" to have sex with them.

    Cairns-based District Court judge Sarah Bradley ordered that the six teenage juveniles not even have a conviction recorded for the 2005 offence, and that they be placed on a 12-month probation order.

    So who cares about the aboriginal victims of aboriginal criminals? Why is the judge not removed from the bench?
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    Thanks for the link Jono.

    It seems the sentencing did not match what the judge said. We've all heard the 'probably agreed' bit but she also mentions, inter alia, how 'to my mind (this is) horrific in the extreme'.

    Although I have no experience with other cultures, I think that a custodial sentence would have been very appropriate in this case, and a fairly lengthy one at that.

    I guess we will hear more about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett
    It seems the sentencing did not match what the judge said. We've all heard the ‘probably agreed’ bit but she also mentions, inter alia, how ‘to my mind (this is) horrific in the extreme.’
    One must wonder how lenient she would have been about a rape that wasn't so ‘horrific in the extreme’. Paid the rapists? What would it actually take for her to put someone in jail?

    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett
    Although I have no experience with other cultures, I think that a custodial sentence would have been very appropriate in this case, and a fairly lengthy one at that.
    Of course. ‘Culture’ should not be used as an excuse for such evil crimes. And the victims of this pandering are usually those in this ‘culture’ that is ostensibly being protected.

    Dr Thomas Sowell, an African American economist and author, comments on attitudes like that pedophile-excusing judge in his top class book, The Vision of the Anointed:

    “Widespread personification of ‘society’ is another verbal tactic that evades issues of personal responsibility. Such use of the term ‘society’ is a more sophisticated version of the notion that ‘the devil made me do it.’ Like much of the rest of the special vocabulary of the anointed, it is used as a magic word to make choice, behavior, and performance vanish into thin air.” — P. 199

    “The vision of the anointed is one in which ills as poverty, irresponsible sex, and crime derive primarily from ‘society’, rather than from individual choices and behavior. To believe in personal responsibility would be to destroy the whole special role of the anointed, whose vision casts them in the role of rescuers of people treated unfairly by ‘society’.” — P. 203

    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett
    I guess we will hear more about this.
    Yeah, in Child safety failed rape girl:

    A senior departmental official yesterday told The Australian that the child involved was sexually abused at age seven and, as a safety measure, was put with various foster families, eventually ending up in 2005 with a non-indigenous family in Cairns. But she was returned nine months later to Aurukun, where she was gang-raped by the nine males.

    “These non-indigenous people were fantastic — ensuring she went to school, and the father actually took a year off his work to personally supervise this girl,” he said. “But two new social workers were appointed to the north and they expressed the view, which was repeated many times to the investigating committee, that putting an indigenous child with white foster parents was another stolen generation…”

    See, once again, this ‘stolen generation’ paranoia is harming real aboriginal children. It's also notable that two of Robert Manne's trophy cases for the ‘stolen generation’, aboriginal girls called Topsy and Dolly, were removed from similar situations, according to Andrew Bolt:

    I looked up those cases and found they were girls little different to this girl who has been raped at Aurukun.

    Topsy was brought in for protection by a station owner because she was just 12, fatherless, a half-caste in a black tribe — and already had syphilis. Dolly was about 13, but was already seven months pregnant and penniless, working for nothing on a station, when she was rescued.

    These are cases that Manne himself handpicked as clear proof of the “stolen generations”. …
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    I don't agree with many of Jono's views on race-related subjects, but this sentence is a compete joke. Who cares if the 10-year old "probably agreed" or not? We as a society surely have formed the opinion that 10 years old is not old enough to make that decision.

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    Prosecutor in gang rape case stood aside

    The prosecutor at the centre of the case in which six attackers escaped jail time for the gang rape of a 10-year-old
    in far-north Queensland has been stood aside, pending an investigation.

    Queensland Attorney-General Kerry Shine said late Tuesday the Office of the Director of Public Prosecutions would investigate the conduct of Steve Carter, the senior legal officer responsible for Cape York matters in the DPP's Cairns chambers.

    Court transcripts released Tuesday showed Mr Carter had described the 2006 incident as "childish experimentation" and consensual "in a general sense".

    The child - who cannot be named - was gang-raped at the age of seven in Aurukun on Cape York in 2002, and was later put into foster care with a non-indigenous family in Cairns.

    However, child safety officers in April 2006 returned her to Aurukun, where she was raped again at the age of 10.

    Premier Anna Bligh admitted the Child Safety Department had failed the girl.

    "I think it is very important to understand, and I don't resile from the fact for one moment, the system clearly failed this little girl," Ms Bligh told reporters.

    But she said the government took immediate action by disciplining the officers involved, moving the child, and improving child safety processes.

    Ms Bligh could not give a reason for the officers' decision to return the girl to Aurukun, but said it should never have happened.

    Cairns-based District Court judge Sarah Bradley did not record convictions against six teenage attackers and gave three others aged 17, 18 and 26 suspended sentences over the 2006 rape.

    The state government is appealing the sentences and has ordered a review of around 75 sexual assault cases in Cape York over the past two years.

    One senior child safety officer has been sacked and two others suspended for 12 months on full pay over the incident, but the two suspended officers are appealing the decision.

    The girl is now in the care of the Child Safety Department away from Aurukun.

    While the Director of Public Prosecutions Leanne Clare declined to comment, her office released transcripts of the court case.

    They revealed that during the case, Mr Carter described the incident - in which the girl contracted a sexually transmitted disease - as "consensual sex".

    "To the extent I can't say it was consensual in the legal sense, but in the other - in the general sense, the non-legal sense - yes, it was," Mr Carter told the court.

    Mr Carter said the sex had been prearranged and the males had not forced themselves on the girl.

    "... they're very naughty for doing what they're doing but it's really, in this case, it was a form of childish experimentation, rather than one child being prevailed upon by another," he said.

    Mr Carter also told the court such incidents were not out of character in small, remote communities.

    " ... children, females, have got to be - deserve - the same protection under the law in an Aboriginal or an indigenous community as they do in any other community," Mr Carter said.

    "But sometimes things happen in a small community when children get together."

    Hetty Johnston, founder of Bravehearts, said a judicial inquiry was needed.

    "The prosecutor is there to defend the rights of the victims - that man is standing behind the wrong desk," Ms Johnston told AAP.

    "This girl's life has been screwed up by a combination of the (child safety) department and the DPP."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    I don't agree with many of Jono's views on race-related subjects, but this sentence is a compete joke. Who cares if the 10-year old "probably agreed" or not? We as a society surely have formed the opinion that 10 years old is not old enough to make that decision.
    Not just as a society. It is a matter of law.

    A person under the age of 16 is legally regarded as not being able to consent to sex. This is because the 'minor' is not legally regarded as being able to judge right from wrong and the consequences of their actions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    One must wonder how lenient she would have been about a rape that wasn't so ‘horrific in the extreme’. Paid the rapists?
    Paid the girl for her time would be more likely

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    I don't agree with many of Jono's views on race-related subjects,
    What about my agreement with Martin Luther King Jr., that people should be judged on the content of their character, not the colour of their skins?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    but this sentence is a compete joke. Who cares if the 10-year old "probably agreed" or not? We as a society surely have formed the opinion that 10 years old is not old enough to make that decision.
    Yeah, should be obvious. And as ggrayggray says, below the age of 16, it is legally impossible to consent! So it is an automatic crime of rape.

    It just shows how political correctness is actually harming members of the politically designated victim race. Expecting lower standards from them is actually a pernicious form of racism.
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    Out of all this, the thing I most concerned about is- what would have happened if this case and similar ones had not been aired in the media.

    Would it have just continued the Qld Labor's government pattern of only acting on 'issues' once they are known in the media? Otherwise, do nothing or cover it up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono
    What about my agreement with Martin Luther King Jr., that people should be judged on the content of their character, not the colour of their skins?
    Yep, I agree with that. It is more your views of welfare I disagree with.

    Anyway, to me this is not (or should not be) a case of race. It is a case of an abused girl.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Yep, I agree with that. It is more your views of welfare I disagree with.
    OIC.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Chess Chat Forum - Reply to TopicAnyway, to me this is not (or should not be) a case of race. It is a case of an abused girl.
    Most definitely. People who abuse a young girl so grievously should be punished with long jail terms, regardless of the race of the victim or rapists.
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    Pearson: irate that "Stolen Generations" myth removed victim from safe white fosters

    Family's warnings ignored
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    THE family of a 10-year-old gang-rape victim last night revealed they had warned child safety authorities she would be attacked if taken out of a Cairns foster home and returned to their remote Aboriginal community of Aurukun.

    Amid a continuing public outcry over the Queensland Department of Child Safety's failure to protect the girl and a Queensland District Court judge's controversial decision not to jail her attackers, her family has told of a community in crisis and "a little girl who has had the light turned off on her life".

    In October, judge Sarah Bradley decided not to record convictions against six teenage attackers and gave three others, aged 17, 18 and 26, suspended sentences over the rape. The sentences will be appealed and dozens of other sex abuse cases from the Cape reviewed after The Australian on Monday revealed the lenient sentences in the gang-rape case.

    The prosecutor in the case, Steve Carter - who described the rape as "a form of childish experimentation" of which the victim was a willing participant - has also been stood down pending an internal investigation.

    The girl's aunt said she was deeply offended by Mr Carter's claim that the victim had consented to the rape, and said suggestions underage sex was a fact of life in Cape communities was abhorrent.

    "That's not right. It's not traditional to have sex without parents' consent. Something is not right. She is a little girl who has had the light turned off on her life," she said.

    Her uncle, the family patriarch, said sexual assaults, family violence and drugs had become so bad in the community he would support a Northern Territory-style intervention.

    "The violence happens all the time. Something needs to be done, we shouldn't have to live like this," he said.

    Cape York Aboriginal leader Noel Pearson last night described the case as "just the tip of the iceberg" of dysfunction in indigenous communities.

    Mr Pearson blasted the notion that indigenous children taken into care and placed with non-indigenous foster carers were "another Stolen Generation" - as social workers in the Aurukun case believed. He said that where children's welfare was under threat, the placement should be "one of safety, whether it is whitefellas or blackfellas".

    "Those child protection practices that have sought to place Aboriginal children exclusively with Aboriginal carers have resulted in a great deal of harm for the individual children under care," Mr Pearson said.

    "This is a case of children in urgent need of protection. As long as Aboriginal society is so dysfunctional that we have to take children into care and protection, we should never hear people bleat about some Stolen Generation.

    "Today children on communities are living in dysfunctional situations where their welfare is under threat. There should be no hesitation in taking them out of those threatening circumstances and placing them with carers — whitefellas or blackfellas."
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
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    Someone should tell Professor Mann (?) ... where's his expert commentary on all of this? ... =8^)
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    I'd just like to note that there has been some endemic cultural cringing in recent times regarding 'avoiding the ghost of the stolen generation' and subsequent policy making.

    If you suspect you are a cringer, (cultural or PC),
    1. Out yourself now and start working for a more enlightened self. Slavish copybook third millenium PC think is weighing you down and will send your children potty.

    2. First hour (read 'berating/ reprogramming') with me is free!
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    We have an R&B / Urban section with our mag. For the uninitiated, think black music.

    One of the regular columns is entitled 'Blackboard'. The column is styled, named and written by people of mixed race and heritage. It is also prepared for broadcast on one of the radio stations each week.

    You can imagine my surprise (NOT!) when our editors received the following via e-mail, yesterday:

    Quote Originally Posted by Poltically Correct Clown Mad 3rd Millenium Style Drowning Howard In Stupidity, Who The Hell Is Responsible For This Madness?, Please Stop Being So Facile
    To whom it may concern,

    I often read you magazine, but want to complain about the section labelled "Blackboard - weekly wrap of Hip Hop & RNB"

    I find this offensive, as this type of labelling can be seen as racist to members of our community. I hope you take this into consideration next time you print this section.

    Look forward to hearing from you.

    Regards,

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