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    The death toll is now 19 children and 2 teachers

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    Steve Kerr has had enough


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    Beto O'Rourke is the leader Texas needs.
    Govenor Abbott is a gun loving mass murderer enabling idiot who will not do anything. He has weakened the gun laws in Texas. Friday he is going to the NRA general meetiing to address them, what a joke.
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    Senator Ted Cruz's solution is to lock all the door and only have one entrance and exit to the school. All well and good until there is a fire and no one can get out and they burn to death.

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    As the picture in the link points out, there is no God, so fix the gun laws.


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    So more details are coming forth about what happened.

    The shooter barricaded himself inside a classroom at the school by locking the door. Authorities were unable to break down the door so they could not stop the shooter shooting everyone. All of the 19 dead children were in the same class.

    The school did have an armed security guard present but he also was unable to stop the shooter.

    https://apnews.com/article/uvalde-te...482483df6e4683

    I am not sure what the door was made of but for the police and boarder patrol officers to not be able to break it down seems very strange.
    As is the comment from the police in the article that they seemed happy to have contained the shooter to a classroom, even though it meant he could kill or injure everyone in that classroom.
    Big questions about police compentency here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott Colliver View Post
    Big questions about police compentency here.
    Leftist gun-grabbers: Only the police should have guns.
    Also Leftist gun-grabbers: Defund the police.

    The police in this case, and too many others, stood by for way too long. We just can't trust them to protect us. So schools instead should have armed officers, and plenty of retired vets would be glad of the work. Any teacher who wants to conceal-carry should be allowed to. Plus: replace "Gun-free zone" signs with signs saying "Anyone who tries to harm our children will be met with armed force."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Metro View Post
    Steve Kerr has had enough
    Who gives a monkey's what a woke basketballer thinks?

    If he has an idea for getting guns off thugs instead of disarming mainly the law-abiding, I'm all ears. Also, how do we guarantee against tyranny from an armed government against unarmed citizens, which has happened way too often in the last 100 years.

    With America's porous borders, we can't keep guns out of the hands of thugs. So the answer is deterring them from shooting. It's no accident they target "Gun-Free Zones" like schools, many churches and theatres, etc. They don't target gun shows or NRA meetings.

    Kerr is not the only gun grabber with form for supporting removal of police protection of schoolkids:

    Old footage of Kerr soapboxing at a protest to de-police Oakland public schools resurfaced online in response to his theatrics. At the height of the summer 2020 riots over George Floyd's death under police custody, Kerr joined hundreds of activists at the anti-police rally demanding the removal of all uniformed law enforcement officers from Oakland Unified School District campuses. Kerr was an impromptu speaker at the march led by Black Organizing Project, whose successful mission was to abolish the OUSD police department.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Patrick Byrom View Post
    The Buffalo shooter had no criminal record.
    I.e. most of the proposed measures would not have stopped him. Nor would banning so-called assault rifles and other gestures. Someone with concealed carry could have stopped him.
    “The history of the 20th century is full of examples of countries that set out to redistribute wealth and ended up redistributing poverty.”
    “There’s no point blaming the tragedies of socialism on the flaws or corruption of particular leaders. Any system which allows some people to exercise unbridled power over others is an open invitation to abuse, whether that system is called slavery or socialism or something else.”—Thomas Sowell

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    I.e. most of the proposed measures would not have stopped him. Nor would banning so-called assault rifles and other gestures. Someone with concealed carry could have stopped him.
    Enforced 'red flag' laws would have stopped him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    ... The police in this case, and too many others, stood by for way too long. We just can't trust them to protect us. So schools instead should have armed officers, and plenty of retired vets would be glad of the work. Any teacher who wants to conceal-carry should be allowed to. Plus: replace "Gun-free zone" signs with signs saying "Anyone who tries to harm our children will be met with armed force."
    The school had an armed security guard. It didn't stop the shooter. You do know the shooter was wearing body armour?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    ... If he has an idea for getting guns off thugs instead of disarming mainly the law-abiding, I'm all ears.
    Let's stop conflating the average thug/criminal with school/church etc mass shooters. Criminals use firearms to help their money-making criminal endeavours - random shootings would be counter-productive. The disarmament target should be the loner weirdo who snaps and starts killing innocents for no justifiable reason. They should not have access to firearms, particularly rapid-fire assault-rifle knock-offs of the type designed for use by soldiers in wars.

    15% of childhood deaths in USA are caused by firearms. How many more before enough is enough?

    Also, how do we guarantee against tyranny from an armed government against unarmed citizens, which has happened way too often in the last 100 years.
    Other democracies do not rely on arming the civilian population

    With America's porous borders, we can't keep guns out of the hands of thugs. So the answer is deterring them from shooting. It's no accident they target "Gun-Free Zones" like schools, many churches and theatres, etc. They don't target gun shows or NRA meetings. ...
    Again, the 'thugs' are not targetting schools, churches, theatres and other gun-free zones. It's the weirdos, who are usually on their own suicide missions and are beyond deterrence. They must be disarmed beforehand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    15% of childhood deaths in USA are caused by firearms. How many more before enough is enough?
    Firearms are now the leading cause of death for children in the USA!

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Again, the 'thugs' are not targetting schools, churches, theatres and other gun-free zones. It's the weirdos, who are usually on their own suicide missions and are beyond deterrence. They must be disarmed beforehand.
    Ironically, Trump's speech to the NRA in Texas is a gun-free zone. The Secret Service isn't relying on 'concealed carry' to protect the former President.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Other democracies do not rely on arming the civilian population.
    America is not a democracy but a republic.

    I don't want America to be like Victoria where people are disarmed and thuggish Polizei beat protesters and arrest pregnant women in their home for Facebook posts.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Again, the 'thugs' are not targetting schools, churches, theatres and other gun-free zones. It's the weirdos, who are usually on their own suicide missions and are beyond deterrence. They must be disarmed beforehand.
    Of course! But we don't confiscate cars from sober drivers every time a drunk driver kills someone.
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