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    Trump: “Alarmists…demand absolute power to dominate…control every aspect of our lives

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    Hard to talk solutions with people who deny there is a problem.
    Rather, it's hard to talk solutions with people who want only one type of solution: that which reduces individual freedom and increases power of politicians and bureaucrats.

    PRESIDENT TRUMP AT DAVOS

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    To protect our security and our economy, we are also boldly embracing American energy independence.

    The United States is now by far the number one producer of oil and natural gas anywhere in the world. By far. It’s not even close.

    While many European countries struggle with crippling energy costs, the American energy revolution is saving American families $2,500 every year in lowering electric bills. Numbers that people said couldn’t happen and also very importantly prices at the pump.

    We’ve been so successful that the United States no longer needs to import energy from hostile nations. With an abundance of American natural gas now available, our European allies no longer have to be vulnerable to unfriendly energy suppliers either. We urge our friends in Europe to use America’s vast supply and achieve true energy security.

    With US companies and researchers leading the way, we are on the threshold of virtually unlimited reserves of energy, including from traditional fuels: LNG, clean coal, next-generation nuclear power and gas-hydrate technologies.

    At the same time, I’m proud to report the United States is among the cleanest air and drinking water on earth and we’re going to keep it that way, and we just came out with a report that at this moment it’s the cleanest it’s been in the last 40 years. We’re committed to conserving the majesty of God’s creation and the natural beauty of our world.

    Today I’m pleased to announce the United States will join the 1 trillion trees initiative being launched here at the World Economic Forum. 1 trillion trees, and in doing so we will continue to show strong leadership and restoring, growing, and better managing our trees and our forests.

    This is not a time for pessimism, this is a time for optimism. Fear and doubt is not a good thought process because this is a time for tremendous hope, and joy and optimism and action.

    But to embrace the possibilities of tomorrow, we must reject the perennial prophets of doom and their predictions of the Apocalypse.

    They are the heirs of yesterday’s foolish fortune tellers, and I have them, and you have them and we all have them and they want to see us do badly but we won’t let that happen. They predicted an overpopulation crisis in the 1960s, mass starvation in the 70s, and an end of oil in the 1990s.

    These alarmists always demand the same thing: absolute power to dominate, transform and control every aspect of our lives.

    We will never let radical socialists destroy our economy, wreck our country or eradicate our liberty. America will always be the proud, strong and unyielding bastion of freedom.

    In America, we understand what the pessimists refused to see. That a growing and vibrant market economy, focused on the future, lifts the human spirit and excites creativity: strong enough to overcome any challenge, any challenge by far.

    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Rather, it's hard to talk solutions with people who want only one type of solution: that which reduces individual freedom and increases power of politicians and bureaucrats.
    You think the trimuph of a $5.2 trillion subsidised industry over free renewables is a triumph of the market?

    PRESIDENT TRUMP AT DAVOS
    Trump is a moron and has no idea what he's doing. If you think him postulating something gives it weight, you're barking up the wrong end of the stick.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    Rather, it's hard to talk solutions with people who want only one type of solution: that which reduces individual freedom and increases power of politicians and bureaucrats.
    Are you claiming that Trump thinks global heating is a problem? Do you have evidence for that claim?

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    https://www.msn.com/en-au/news/austr...406y0k63uCTpR8

    When protesters make a ''salad'' out of all the causes they are fighting for . Rather typical of how messed up and confused many of them are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    You think the triumph of a $5.2 trillion subsidised industry over free renewables is a triumph of the market?
    No. At the very least, some of the profits of the industry should pay back subsidies.

    In the USA, we also have subsidies to ethanol, an inefficient and hygroscopic substance that is not even that green.

    Quote Originally Posted by Desmond View Post
    Trump is a moron and has no idea what he's doing. If you think him postulating something gives it weight, you're barking up the wrong end of the stick.
    Everything he said makes sense. He judges policies by results, not gestures. America has become greener, unlike most of the countries still in the fraudulent Paris agreement. So of course the Greenies attack America, not countries building more coal-fired power stations.

    Historian Niall Ferguson has slammed Greta Thunberg’s climate change hypocrisy at Davos, asking why “I don’t see her in Beijing or Delhi.”
    “The destructive capacity of the individual, however vicious, is small; of the state, however well-intentioned, almost limitless. Expand the state and that destructive capacity necessarily expands, too, pari passu.”—Paul Johnson, Modern Times, 1983.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capablanca-Fan View Post
    ... Everything he said makes sense. He judges policies by results, not gestures. America has become greener, unlike most of the countries still in the fraudulent Paris agreement. So of course the Greenies attack America, not countries building more coal-fired power stations.

    Historian Niall Ferguson has slammed Greta Thunberg’s climate change hypocrisy at Davos, asking why “I don’t see her in Beijing or Delhi.”
    Just for the record:

    End of the year wrap-up: five figures show China’s renewable energy growth in 2019

    India’s investments in renewable energy are growing faster than even China’s

    And despite Trump's passion for coal and anti-green regulation changes:

    More renewable energy expected to be built in 2019 than any other form of U.S. electrical generating power

    Trump touts environment record, green groups scoff

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Yes, a very damning read.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Denial to the Death: In Australia, Newspaper Headlines Tout “Warming Is Good For Us”

    As Australia continues to burn, the deniers continue to deny. Australia is in the midst of a climate emergency with over 30 people dead, in excess of a billion animals incinerated, and millions upon millions of Australian’s breathing toxic air.

    The cost of this catastrophe, if you can even begin to measure the loss of wildlife and quantify the collective trauma, is said to be in excess of AUS $100 billion. .

    Despite the daily climate carnage, Murdoch’s columnists continue to spout climate denial in a way that many would find illogical, insensitive, and just plain idiotic.

    Today, a columnist in the Herald Sun, Andrew Bolt, writes that “global warming is good for you.”

    He alleges that “activists are exploiting these terrible bushfires to whip up an astonishing fear of man-made global warming and skeptics like me.”

    Instead of denying that climate change is happening, Bolt uses another of the favorite denier arguments. “We don’t deny the planet has warmed. We instead question the warming we are seeing – less than predicted – is all bad.”

    It is difficult to see how Australia’s omnicide is anything but the definition of bad. It’s nothing short of climate catastrophe. But Bolt takes up another denier argument – that it makes no sense to spend billions to prevent climate change, and instead would be better to spend more on “bush management.” ...

    Luckily, there are those calling out the Murdoch denial machine. Earlier this month, a News Corp finance manager sent an email stating: “I find it unconscionable to continue working for this company, knowing I am contributing to the spread of climate change denial and lies,” she wrote.

    And even some within the Murdoch family are calling out the deniers, with Rupert’s son James publicly criticizing what is going on. ...

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    Bolt's argument is stupid and disingenuous as usual (ignoring the role that rising temperatures play in reducing humidity and making fires more dangerous) but this tag "omnicide" coined by a sociologist and spread by Richard Flanagan is just as bad. It's an exaggeration - bushfires do not kill everything, and saying that they do legitimises the view that areas that have been burnt now have lost all conservation value for good and therefore we may as well log them, clear them for agriculture, repeat-burn them on unsustainably short cycles in the name of "hazard reduction" or let cute feral horsies who everyone loves run amok on them.

    Flanagan writes powerfully of course but he is a serial melodramatist and often not too well informed on the science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron View Post
    Majority of Australians do not support public transport disruptions, people jumping into fountains, protesters kicking horses etc.
    Actually, polling suggests that a majority of Australians do support the Extinction Rebellion protests.

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    When I looked up Omnicide it gave me a definition of human extinction via nuclear war. Dated 1959

    Yet the continuation of the human species can no longer be taken for granted. It has been endangered since the onset of the omnicidal weapons first demonstrated in 1945 in Hiroshima and Nagasaki. The destruction of these cities heralded a new age, the nuclear age, the chief characteristic of which is that for the first time it has become possible for man to destroy his own species in a single action.— Joseph Rotblat

    I don’t think Flanagan is saying the bush fires alone will lead to Omnicide. But rather business as usual and therefore rising emissions and an ever-hotter world surely will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blunderbuss View Post
    I don’t think Flanagan is saying the bush fires alone will lead to Omnicide. But rather business as usual and therefore rising emissions and an ever-hotter world surely will.
    I'm with Kevin on this - I don't like the term "omnicide". The human race would almost certainly survive global nuclear war or even the most extreme global heating. But the death and destruction from both would be so bad that "the survivors would envy the dead" (as the saying goes). Although it's easy for me to be complacent - I'll be long dead whatever happens

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    Unfortunately another unsound issues poll by Essential, which has been using a lot of bad question designs lately. A fair second question would have been simply "To what extent do you support or oppose the Extinction Rebellion protests?" Adding "to push for governments to act on climate change and move towards renewable energy?", as Essential did, loads the question by (i) potentially implying that governments are not acting on climate change or moving towards renewable energy at all - which is, at best, a politically contested claim (ii) understating the goals of Extinction Rebellion by describing them only in broad and vague terms rather than with specifics such as net-zero emissions by 2025. Even if the description of both ER and government policies was incontestably accurate, the using of an argument for the group while not using one against would still have the potential to skew the outcome.

    Issues polling in Australia is in a parlous condition. Almost all of it is rubbish. I have got so tired of seeing badly designed polls on more or less everything that I have written a guide on how to spot them:

    https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/202...lling-due.html

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    I was listening to Dr Karl's weekly science talkback on triple j (podcast available here) and this week he had Michael Mann as a special guest. One of the remarkable comments was that the Ausralian bushfire season this year has doubled! our carbon footprint for the year.
    So what's your excuse? To run like the devil's chasing you.

    See you in another life, brotha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham View Post
    Unfortunately another unsound issues poll by Essential, which has been using a lot of bad question designs lately. A fair second question would have been simply "To what extent do you support or oppose the Extinction Rebellion protests?" Adding "to push for governments to act on climate change and move towards renewable energy?", as Essential did, loads the question by (i) potentially implying that governments are not acting on climate change or moving towards renewable energy at all - which is, at best, a politically contested claim (ii) understating the goals of Extinction Rebellion by describing them only in broad and vague terms rather than with specifics such as net-zero emissions by 2025. Even if the description of both ER and government policies was incontestably accurate, the using of an argument for the group while not using one against would still have the potential to skew the outcome.

    Issues polling in Australia is in a parlous condition. Almost all of it is rubbish. I have got so tired of seeing badly designed polls on more or less everything that I have written a guide on how to spot them:

    https://kevinbonham.blogspot.com/202...lling-due.html
    The Lowy questions are more balanced. I would be surprised if the results are not higher based on the current bushfire crisis,

    Lowy Institute Poll 2018

    Climate change

    Attitudes about climate change have been undergoing a dramatic reversal over the past six years. The number of Australians who saw global warming as a ‘serious and pressing problem’ about which ‘we should begin taking steps now even if this involves significant costs’ fell from 68% in 2006 to 36% in 2012. Since then, however, concern about global warming has been rising steadily. In 2018, almost six in ten Australians (59%) say global warming is ‘a serious and pressing problem’, up five points since 2017 and 23 points since 2012.

    The issue of climate change and global warming continues to split Australians along generational lines. While a clear majority (70%) of younger Australians aged 18–44 see ‘global warming’ as a ‘serious and pressing problem’, just less than half (49%) of their elders have the same level of concern.

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    Renewables vs coal

    Power shortages in the southern states in early 2017 during heatwaves and storms, combined with the closure of the Hazelwood coal-fired power station in March 2017 and the proposed decommissioning of AGL’s Liddell coal-fired station in 2022, provoked a fierce debate about energy security in Australia during 2017. Later in the year, the Australian government put forward a new framework for energy policy, the National Energy Guarantee, with the aim of delivering a reliable, affordable energy supply. More recently, the Minister for Energy, Josh Frydenberg, has argued publicly that the sale, rather than closure, of the Liddell station would be ‘in the public interest’.[6]

    Despite the debate and political rhetoric, most Australians have not been persuaded to support coal over renewables for the nation’s energy security. Almost all Australians remain in favour of renewables, rather than coal, as an energy source. In 2018, 84% (up three points since 2017) say ‘the government should focus on renewables, even if this means we may need to invest more in infrastructure to make the system more reliable’. Only 14% say ‘the government should focus on traditional energy sources such as coal and gas, even if this means the environment may suffer to some extent’. Even among those who take the most sceptical view about global warming (the 10% who say ‘until we are sure that global warming is really a problem, we should not take any steps that would have economic costs’), 40% favour a focus on renewables. Nine in ten of the rest support a focus on renewables rather than coal, as do 72% of Liberal-National Party supporters.

    These attitudes are consistent with previous findings of the Lowy Institute Poll on Australians’ preference for alternative energy sources. In 2016, most Australians (88%) agreed that ‘the use of fossil fuels is in decline around the world and Australia should invest more in alternative energy sources or risk being left behind’. Only 53% agreed (45% disagreed) that ‘Australia has an abundant supply of fossil fuels and we should continue to use and export them to keep our economy strong’.

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