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    Quote Originally Posted by road runner View Post
    Of course, that's the point!

    For a fair competetion, we need to have the total cost of the energy generation paid by the energy generator, including the polution it causes (See below video from free market advocate Milton Friedman 40 years ago).
    The other thing we need for a fair competition is not for some of the competitiors to be subsidised to the tune of trillions of dollars.

    I am 100% OK if the fossil fuel companies are the more economical. If they can produce their energy, and pay to offset the carbon they produce, without the ridiculous subsidies they have for an established industry, while still being cheaper than renewables, then they will win. I am 100% OK with this, because it would solve the global warming problem too - through carbon capture, or whatever other mechanism.

    Fix those 2 things, and let's see who is the winner in the fair competition.
    Apart from the subsidies, the external costs of fossil fuel industries are egregious

    The Hidden Costs of Fossil Fuels

    ...Burning coal, oil, and natural gas has serious and long-standing negative impacts on public health, local communities and ecosystems, and the global climate. Yet the majority of fossil fuel impacts are far removed from the fuels and electricity we purchase, hidden within public and private health expenditures, military budgets, emergency relief funds, and the degradation of sensitive ecosystems. We don’t pay for the cost of cancer, or the loss of fragile wetlands, when we pay our electricity bill—but the costs are real.

    Renewable energy—such as wind and solar power—carries far fewer negative impacts at increasingly competitive prices. The Union of Concerned Scientists has worked for decades on transforming the electricity and transportation sectors, and is committed to policies and practices that encourage clean energy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Murray View Post
    Apart from the subsidies, the external costs of fossil fuel industries are egregious

    The Hidden Costs of Fossil Fuels

    ...Burning coal, oil, and natural gas has serious and long-standing negative impacts on public health, local communities and ecosystems, and the global climate. Yet the majority of fossil fuel impacts are far removed from the fuels and electricity we purchase, hidden within public and private health expenditures, military budgets, emergency relief funds, and the degradation of sensitive ecosystems. We don’t pay for the cost of cancer, or the loss of fragile wetlands, when we pay our electricity bill—but the costs are real.

    Renewable energy—such as wind and solar power—carries far fewer negative impacts at increasingly competitive prices. The Union of Concerned Scientists has worked for decades on transforming the electricity and transportation sectors, and is committed to policies and practices that encourage clean energy.
    That Union of Concerned Scientists used to give scientific talks for anti-nuke public meetings I used to organise in the seventies. They did not take a public stance but provided the scientific detail. Were great people.
    Zionism is racism as defined by the UN, Israel by every dirty means available steals land and water, kill Palestinian freedom fighters and civilians, and operates an apartheid system to drive more Palestinians off their land

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