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    From Adult Beginner to FIDE Grandmaster?

    Hey All,

    Do you really need to start chess as a kid to end up being one of the top players? In the age of 12yo GMs you would think so but I dont think this is necessarily true. I think the main reason for this line of thought is that kids have lots of extra TIME compared to adults who generally have alot more things competing for thier time.

    Is there any stories of late commer GM/IM/FM's?

    With the right set of factors I think its possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intuition
    Is there any stories of late commer GM/IM/FM's?

    With the right set of factors I think its possible.

    Cheers
    So does Susan Polgar. I read on her blog off a fellow that played chess when younger and then gave it away because of the commitments that you mentioned. He has now resumed at age 50+ (I think) and is determined to reach IM, Susan Polgar is helping with his training program, so while not exactly fitting your criteria, perhaps he will be a good example to follow.
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    From adult beginner to fide grandmaster, of course it is possible

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    GM Sergey Shipov is a good example. He was just a candidate master when he was 20. In his peak when he was about 30 his rating was 2662.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drug
    GM Sergey Shipov is a good example. He was just a candidate master when he was 20. In his peak when he was about 30 his rating was 2662.
    emm russian KMS is not a complete beginner i guess...Strong KMS in sovet times were playing at equvivalent of 2300-2400 fide.

    In Moscow alone, there were a lot of young KMS who became the GMs in 2-3 years after the fall of iron curtain and opportunity to travel the world (Chuchelov, Shekachev, Notkin, Berdichevsky, Amonatov to name a few...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by MichaelBaron
    emm russian KMS is not a complete beginner i guess...Strong KMS in sovet times were playing at equvivalent of 2300-2400 fide.

    In Moscow alone, there were a lot of young KMS who became the GMs in 2-3 years after the fall of iron curtain and opportunity to travel the world (Chuchelov, Shekachev, Notkin, Berdichevsky, Amonatov to name a few...)
    Indeed, Shipov, Chuchelov, Notkin and Berdichevsky were at least 2300+ in modern terms (if not stronger) before 20, so are hardly an example of a beginner adult.

    I don't know any beginner adult becoming a "FIDE grandmaster", even though "FIDE master" is quite possible
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    I believe FM Haydn Barber (umpteen time WA Champion) didn't learn the moves until age 16. I think reaching 2300 from adult beginner is possible but very difficult. I think GM is almost impossible.

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    Some of the old masters started playing chess at a late age.
    Amos Burn started at 16 if I remember correctly

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    Cecil Purdy didn't start playing chess until he was about 16 and was later World Correspondence Champion, an IM and Australian Champion (not in that order). But I'm not sure that now that would be possible.

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    I seem to remember reading somewhere that the oldest person to be awarded an IM title was in his 70s, though I don't recall his name, or know how old he was when he commenced playing - - - so that's not much help to the discussion.

    However, when I was trying to track him down I found a couple of sites about the age of GMs/IMs that might be interesting.

    When Arthur Dake died in 2000 at age 90 he was the world's oldest GM: http://www.chesslab.com/0799/grandmaster.html.

    Then there's "The Age of Chess Players" by Bill Wall: http://www.geocities.com/siliconvalley/lab/7378/age.htm

    Finally, and definitely nothing to do with the age of chess players but interesting anyway, is this collection of chess records covering multiple aspects of play: http://www.xs4all.nl/%7Etimkr/record...Longest%20game
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    Hi Intuition, where abouts in Country Vic are you?

    I vaguely recall a book that might be of interest to you, it was written by an author who became a (US) chess master at age 50.

    "Chess Master ... at any age", by Rolf Wetzell, 1994. Thinkers Press.

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    desiderata!

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    before they ungracefully surrender us!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by peter_knight
    Some of the old masters started playing chess at a late age.
    Amos Burn started at 16 if I remember correctly
    Starting at 16 and being an adult beginner is not necessarali the same.

    BTW, Botvinnik learnt how to play at age 12.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    BTW, Botvinnik learnt how to play at age 12.
    Yes and he famously beat Capablanca 2 years later in a simul. Not bad for a beginner.
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