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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangafranga
    Hey I did pretty the same thing at post 17!
    Ditto for you too. I thought I had intimated that from our discussions. Apologies. I've really enjoyed your input and espesh yesterday in SB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    Thanks. I wasn't trying to exhaust a position, it's too difficult OTB without moving pieces. Mostly tried to establish that I don't burn the bridges with the risk of immediate loss (e.g. piece down without compensation)
    I agree.

    In a 60+10 standard weekender game for example, you can't afford to spend a whole lot of time attempting to solve something like this. If you spend 20 mins (1/3 of you alloted time!) on a move, and then decide not to play it, you are going to get into time trouble.
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    Just a reminder, computers are in play for anyone just joining.
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    1. Ng5 is definetely a viable option

    a) 1.Ng5 h6 2.Qh5 black cant' improve postion. white threatens 3.Ndf3, then 4.Bh7+ Kh8 5.Nf7+ Rf7 6.Qf7 Kh7 7.Ng5+

    b) 1.Ng5 g6 2.h5 Bxg5 3.hxg6
    b1) 3...fxg6 4.Rxh7 Rf7 5.Rxf7 Kxf7 6.fxg5 with better postion
    b2) 3...hxg6
    b21) 4.fg5 Kg7? 5.Rh7+ Kxh7 6.Qh5+ Kg8 (or Kg7 Qh6+) 7.Bxg6 fxg6 8.Qxg6+ Kh8 9.0-0-0. If 4...Qg5, then either 5.0-0-0 or 5.Qh2
    b22) 4.Qh2 Bh4 5.gh4 followed by 6.h5 with strong atack or
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    I agree.

    In a 60+10 standard weekender game for example, you can't afford to spend a whole lot of time attempting to solve something like this. If you spend 20 mins (1/3 of you alloted time!) on a move, and then decide not to play it, you are going to get into time trouble.
    I agree. In fact that was exactly my rationale in the game! So white plays it (Bxh7) quickish. Then black quickly guesses that hiding on the back rank loses quickly in many lines so he cometh forth - to the sixth! Not unreasonable. I would - and I'm an idiot! Now, aren't we back to my difficult scenario with the onus on white or have I missed something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    Just a reminder, computers are in play for anyone just joining.
    I didn't use it (yet ).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    1.Ng5 g6 2.h5
    2.Nxh7!? Kxh7 3.h5 Kg7 4.Qg4 or something like that maybe

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igor_Goldenberg
    I didn't use it (yet ).
    You have talents we can only dream of. By the way, do you object to just focussing on Bxh7 lines, as that is the line we (mostly) would play and is the subject of the 'controversy'?

    Of course whatever comments you make about any lines will be greatly appreciated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    I agree. So white plays it (Bxh7) quickish. Then black quickly guesses that hiding on the back rank loses quickly in many lines so he cometh forth - to the sixth! Not unreasonable. I would - and I'm an idiot! Now, aren't we back to my difficult scenario with the onus on white or have I missed something?
    Have I missed something that the computer analysis will determine whether this is the best OTB move?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangafranga
    1. Bxh7+ Kxh7 2. Ng5+ Kh6 3.Ndf3 Qd7 (3...Qe8!?) 4.Qc2

    A) 4...g6 5.h5 Kg7 6.Nxf7!? 6...gh5 7.Nfg5 Rh8 8.g4-With strong attack

    B) 4.Nh2 g6 [4...f5 5.ef6 gf6 6.Ng4+ Kg7 7.Nxe6+ Kh8 8.Nxf8 Rxf8 9.Ne3 looks good to me] 5.h5 Bxg5+!? [5...Kg7 6.Nxf7!?] 6.fg5+ Kg7
    In Line A, which knight is going to g5 on move 7 for white?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    You have talents we can only dream of. By the way, do you object to just focussing on Bxh7 lines, as that is the line we (mostly) would play and is the subject of the 'controversy'?
    I will admit that if I couldnt see anything 'concrete' from Bxh7, I would probably just keeping building up my attempted attack, rather than speculate on Bxh7.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangafranga
    2.Nxh7!? Kxh7 3.h5 Kg7 4.Qg4 or something like that maybe
    or 4.hg6 intending Bxg6!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    In Line A, which knight is going to g5 on move 7 for white?
    Good point, the one on f3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ggrayggray
    I will admit that if I couldnt see anything 'concrete' from Bxh7, I would probably just keeping building up my attempted attack, rather than speculate on Bxh7.
    Thanks Garv. You're the first to offer that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Have I missed something that the computer analysis will determine whether this is the best OTB move?
    No. I mean that I think it reasonable that some black players would run to the 6th as quickly as white would play Bxh7. If black did run to the 6th, isn't the onus of a) white finding a successful plan, and b) finding it quickly, a nasty combo?
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    This is getting too complicated and i am getting tempted to turn on my silicon brother "Fritz".

    Bxh7 must be a win! Now as far as supporting my statement with variations is concerned..to be honest i am out of my depth...lines are getting too long and and its getting tough to analyse it without the board. However, i suspect that Nf1 transferring the knight to aid the attack could be the solution
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