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    The Bxh7 Thread

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    17.Bxh7+... Kh8

    Now what?
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    Possibly even stronger:

    17.h3 Nh6 18.Bxh6 gxh6 19.Nh5
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Possibly even stronger:

    17.h3 Nh6 18.Bxh6 gxh6 19.Nh5
    I had a look at at that in my mind's eye. I'll check it out a bit later, unless someone else beats me to it. I'll also post the game score for curiosity's sake, unremarkable as it is.
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    Actually, even better appears to be

    17.h3 Nh6 18.Bxh6 gxh6 19.Qd2,

    when it looks like Black will have to shed decisive material to avoid a mating attack:

    19...Ng6 20. Qxh6

    with the dual threats of Ng5 and Nh5

    20...f5 21.Nh5

    and White is winning at least an exchange and probably more.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    17.Bxh7+... Kh8

    Now what?
    I am guessing from your question that something bad happened. Boris' suggestion is good. As regards your explicit question, 18.h3, 18.Ng5 and even 18.Bc2(!) are all very strong.
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    How NOT to play the French for Black!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mangafranga
    I am guessing from your question that something bad happened.
    Not at all. I've posted the game to allay your fears!

    In the game, I fiddled around for what seemed an eternity (not time, quantity of moves). When I posted this, I hadn't had a chance to look at a 'puter for best continuation. I still haven't.

    [Event "U/1600 Triple Treat"]
    [Date "2007.05.19"]
    [Round "2"]
    [White "Howard"]
    [Black "Kieton Bielby"]
    [Result "1-0"]
    [WhiteElo "1486"]
    [BlackElo "1383"]
    [ECO "A40"]

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    Last edited by Kevin Bonham; 20-05-2007 at 11:12 PM. Reason: fix PGN display - was showing as blank
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    With best play from both sides, is the sac sound

    Lordy Lordy. Two Bxh7 games in a week!

    White is thinking of 15.Bxh7. With best play from both sides, is the sac sound?

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    Last edited by Basil; 24-05-2007 at 11:33 PM.
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    Are you sure? Reputation on it?

    You've got white's position and you're playing Solomon in the Oz Champs - do you play it? Last round, the room is watching and this for the title. How big are your nuggets now? Oodles of time on your clock ... hours even! No pressure bwa ha ha ha ha ...

    No computers now, people. Do it in your head - and whatever the answer, you'll be better for having done the exercise - promise.
    Last edited by Basil; 25-05-2007 at 12:00 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    You've got white's position and you're playing Solomon in the Oz Champs - do you play it?
    Actually my first reaction was that it was simply an obvious smash. Most likely in a tournament game I would play it without thinking for more than a minute, and then have to spend a lot of time over subsequent moves if the opponent offered unexpected resistance.

    Actually in a tournament in such positions such attacks often come off even if not entirely sound anyway.

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    Thanks Kevin and Michael. Given what I now know (having analysed at the club and checked on the comp) I would appreciate you guys and others who have checked it on a comp not to spill anything beyond what you have analysed in your heads.

    Just yet, anyway. Perhaps in a few days. Thanks. I'd be very interested to see what others of 2000+ have to say.

    BTW I played it in the game and won quickly, but that is not necessarily indicative of the correct answer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gunner Duggan
    Thanks Kevin and Michael. Given what I now know (having analysed at the club and checked on the comp) I would appreciate you guys and others who have checked it on a comp not to spill anything beyond what you have analysed in your heads.
    I've deleted my first post to assist you in your quest, as some of that was computer-checked.

    What I had in my head was basically the following:

    Black has to take it or he's lost a pawn for nothing. After Ng5+ he can't take the knight without the queen and rook battery smashing him. He can only play ...Kh6 and with one knight entrenched and another able to move to the scene I don't think he can survive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    ... some of that was computer-checked.
    Do you want to put the position into a comp on long thought?! Can you guess which move it recommends?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    Black has to take it or he's lost a pawn for nothing.
    A pawn down is not terminal (no chat of GMs converting the smallest + please); because the parameters are about best play, even if black is worse after being a pawn down - assuming Bxh7+ is best!
    Last edited by Basil; 25-05-2007 at 12:33 AM.
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    It would be good if new readers to this thread can put their thoughts (not necessarily analysis) on paper instead of just waiting to see how it pans out.

    I'd appreciate that and would find your thoughts interesting.
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