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    My first post!

    Here is a game I played on ICC handle weadley.
    It can be viewed in my library too.
    I played this before I had ever downloaded CBlight or my ebook on morphy.
    I only realized a few nights ago that this game is an exact recreation of a famous morphy game!

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    Just for the record:

    1. Im a low rated player who sometimes makes some good moves.
    2. When I sacked the knight I did not see a win. I had just been sacking lately
    in hopes of a better postition.
    3. I did not see a win until I sacrifced the queen.
    4. I made all the right moves but for all the wrong reasons!

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    Quote Originally Posted by weadley
    Here is a game I played on ICC handle weadley.
    It can be viewed in my library too.
    I played this before I had ever downloaded CBlight or my ebook on morphy.
    I only realized a few nights ago that this game is an exact recreation of a famous morphy game!
    That's incredible!
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    Thanks Barry!

    I was experimenting at the time with sacrifices. Usually just random dumping of pieces into the fray just to see what happens. I certainly didnt see a mate until I had mate in 2 and I thought the queen sacrifice was rouge to draw the enemy knight away when in fact it FORCED the knight to take.But Ill take the win just the same!!!

    PS this is a great BB you all have here. I hope to learn alot.
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    I've been sac ing alot lately myself, especially playing with BDG or playing against the KID. mmmmm i love smashing the KID.....
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    awesome job. perhaps you're the second coming of herr Morphy
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    Angry Ouch!!!

    Rather than start a new thread I thought I'd post a game here. Don't blink or you'll miss it! I don't know how to create a board so I'll just type the moves. comments and helpful advice are welcome.

    I'm playing white. 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bc4 Nf6 4.Ng5 Bc5 5.Nxf7 Bxf2+ 6.Kf1 Qe7 7.Nxh8 d5 8.Bxd5 Bg4 9. RESIGNS
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    This is the Wilkes-Barre variation in the Two Knights. Lots of fun for Black.

    5.Nxf7 is commonly played, but biting off more than White can chew. White should play 5.Bxf7+ which is safer.

    White normally plays 8.exd5 or maybe 8.Be2 or 8.Qf3 rather than 8.Bxd5. However Black is doing better in all cases.

    Resigning after 8...Bg4 seems a bit early to me. Sure Black is winning the queen, but at least play 9.Kxf2 Bxd1 10.Bxc6+ bxc6 11.Rxd1 and make Black work for it. White's clearly losing, but unless Black is very strong, a rook and a piece for a queen (effectively - the WN on h8 is doomed) isn't hopeless odds.
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    Quote Originally Posted by weadley
    Here is a game I played on ICC handle weadley.
    It can be viewed in my library too.
    I played this before I had ever downloaded CBlight or my ebook on morphy.
    I only realized a few nights ago that this game is an exact recreation of a famous morphy game!

    For the record I would like to hear from one of the mathematic experts here and find out what the chances of this are? Its a little difficult to digest, sorry. (I know the answer is probably impossible to find but it is no doubt almost impossible)

    Can I ask then why you played 8. Nc3 and not 8. Bxf7 + ... winning the rook? (This was for the mastery of the game by Morphy he didnt take the Rook he continued with development; even Fritz wants to play eat the f7 pawn and the rook with complications but a definate advantage. Can I ask why you did not play that Weadley?

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    ...by the way this is argaubly the most well known game in all of chess history, so is it not possible that you have seen it before and just forgot who played it etc ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JGB
    For the record I would like to hear from one of the mathematic experts here and find out what the chances of this are? Its a little difficult to digest, sorry. (I know the answer is probably impossible to find but it is no doubt almost impossible)
    Assume two chimpanzees were trained to play legal chess moves but choose between all legal moves with equal probability. Now assume the number of legal moves in the first 17 moves of a game averages around 20 (this is probably low but will do).

    Then the chance of the chimpanzees replaying the famous Morphy game of 33 half moves (17 white/16 black) is 1 : 20^33 or roughly 1 in 8 followed by 42 zeroes.

    Not impossible but certainly highly improbably. Lets assume they could play a game every second, that many games would take around 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 millenia to get through.

    Now most people play better than chimps so lets assume 4 reasonable moves for any position (this is really low I think but counters the effects of transpositions which I am ignoring in these calculations) then the averages would improve to only 1 in 73,786,976,294,838,206,464. Now you're down to only 2,339,769,669 millennia and one game per second. That's much better.
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    He says it's in his "library" on ICC, does that mean he played it there? If so it could be verified that he at least played it.

    I was curious to see how far people do go down the Morphy-D+C game line in serious play. On chessbase the closest I found was a resignation by Black one move before the end. There were two others that deviated a few moves out. Incidentally the latest position after which Black has done anything but lose on chessbase is after 7.Qb3 - White has scored a miserably low +62=2-5 (91%) here. After 7...Qe7 White has 16/16. Six Whites followed Morphy's 8.Nc3, nine played 8.Qxb7 (I'm pleased to say none of the Blacks were repeat offenders, unlike some of my opponents) and nobody played 8.Bxf7+. I recall someone here (feldgrau I think) saying 8.Bxf7+ was wrong but not explaining why. I wonder ...

    I can well believe a player who knew the game would replicate it against a sufficiently weak opponent (I think someone else here mentioned doing just that.) I would be more surprised if a player who did not know the game did so.
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    Thanks for your help Kevin.

    I am sure (almost) that all of these games you found over chessbase were played by players (at least from the white side anyway) who have played through the Morphy game and most who have it memorised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin Bonham
    This is the Wilkes-Barre variation in the Two Knights. Lots of fun for Black.

    5.Nxf7 is commonly played, but biting off more than White can chew. White should play 5.Bxf7+ which is safer.

    White normally plays 8.exd5 or maybe 8.Be2 or 8.Qf3 rather than 8.Bxd5. However Black is doing better in all cases.

    Resigning after 8...Bg4 seems a bit early to me. Sure Black is winning the queen, but at least play 9.Kxf2 Bxd1 10.Bxc6+ bxc6 11.Rxd1 and make Black work for it. White's clearly losing, but unless Black is very strong, a rook and a piece for a queen (effectively - the WN on h8 is doomed) isn't hopeless odds.
    I do tend to overreact at times. Thanks for the tip
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