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    Quote Originally Posted by Rincewind
    I presume the reason for this is the economic argument given by Pax. Macs would not seem to be cost effective except for some specialised tasks.
    RW I have missed something. I have seen no argument for cost-efficiency that I can recall, save for my observation in another thread that total cost of ownership of macs is on par or better with PCs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    total cost of ownership of macs is on par or better with PCs.
    feel free to substantiate that claim at any time that is convenient.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    RW I have missed something. I have seen no argument for cost-efficiency that I can recall, save for my observation in another thread that total cost of ownership of macs is on par or better with PCs.
    Post #21 in this thread: "Underpowered and overpriced".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    feel free to substantiate that claim at any time that is convenient.
    Will do. I thought it was reasonably well-known.

    Is there any reason why you didn't ask pax to substantiate the original which was macs are under-powered and over-priced? Forget that - hey, have you ever read 'Animal Farm'? "Four legs better than two" *oink*

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    Post #21 in this thread: "Underpowered and overpriced".
    Missed that. Will address with the above.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    feel free to substantiate that claim at any time that is convenient.
    While I continue to reasonably address all that has been asked of me, I don't suppose you want to change your ways and start doing the same; viz
    -- care to make the case for PCs (in the appropriate thread, where the question was asked (about 12 times))
    -- qualify the depth of your experience with macs, also as requested?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    While I continue to reasonably address all that has been asked of me, I don't suppose you want to change your ways and start doing the same; viz
    -- care to make the case for PCs (in the appropriate thread, where the question was asked (about 12 times))
    Where I come from, 1/3 loses to 3/3 every time. Case closed.

    -- qualify the depth of your experience with macs, also as requested?
    At high school, one of the 4 computer labs was Mac. 5 years of computer lessons there, probably about 25% on Apple/Macs.

    Have also assisted in setting up a Mac network.

    My Dad got a Mac free of charge. I took it to the dump for him.

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    A blog post (from a Mac fan) that illustrates rather well why I find Macs too inflexible:

    http://www.sendmike2space.com/

    I might add that I like the Mac Mini a lot, and if only I could get it with a decent graphics card and TV-out I would consider using it as a media centre.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    I don't suppose you want to ...make the case for PCs?
    Where I come from, 1/3 loses to 3/3 every time. Case closed.
    Cute answer... to the wrong question.

    Your 1/3 analogy, I now concede (on the basis that the Sprout wanted Vista Well done PCs on account of nothing but a PC can win that. Seriously, very well done PCs). That's the 'what's best for Sprout' taken care of.

    Now, case back open

    As you know, that thread morphed into a secondary issue of 'which is better on its merits' (remember your Intel preoccupation?). In answer to the general merits issue, I cited the case for macs. I invited you to do the same. Score to date on this one is:
    3 x times ignored
    1 x answered wrong question

    There is a strong general case for buying a PC isn't there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    ... qualify the depth of your experience with macs, also as requested?
    At high school, one of the 4 computer labs was Mac. 5 years of computer lessons there, probably about 25% on Apple/Macs.
    And how did you find them? What was your experience of macs back in 1995 (or so?), compared to Windows of the same era?

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    Have also assisted in setting up a Mac network.
    So not a lot of experience from a user's POV, really? Fair comment?

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    My Dad got a Mac free of charge. I took it to the dump for him.
    Just confirming this is a joke. If not, which model was it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    A blog post (from a Mac fan) that illustrates rather well why I find Macs too inflexible:

    http://www.sendmike2space.com/

    I might add that I like the Mac Mini a lot, and if only I could get it with a decent graphics card and TV-out I would consider using it as a media centre.
    Nice post & certainly in keeping with the intended spirit of the thread. Curiously, I'm a touch gun-shy of the 'mini' because of the first generation over-heating problems. It was always going to be a tough ask packing a monster (and keeping it cool) into something the size of a small sandwich box!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Nice post & certainly in keeping with the intended spirit of the thread. Curiously, I'm a touch gun-shy of the 'mini' because of the first generation over-heating problems. It was always going to be a tough ask packing a monster (and keeping it cool) into something the size of a small sandwich box!
    I think the Intel chips are better performing power consumption and heat-wise than the old PowerPCs, so the Intel version Mac Mini doesn't suffer as much as the PowerPC did.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    I think the Intel chips are better performing power consumption and heat-wise than the old PowerPCs, so the Intel version Mac Mini doesn't suffer as much as the PowerPC did.
    That's excellent news. I'll do a bit of research.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    feel free to substantiate that claim at any time that is convenient.
    Finally had a chance to look into this. I intended on dragging up all sorts of stuff from the depths, but instead, I plugged "total cost of ownership mac pc" into Google.

    The first two hits (yeah really - you try) I got were this.
    I like this bloke for obvious reasons. He talks about the whole damn shooting match in one short article.

    The second one I got was this.
    This is a ping-pong 'Apple says, Microflog says' and is inconclusive. The writer ends by saying he doesn't want to buy into it. Even if inconclusive, it certainly puts paid to any dribble that the other platform is oh so waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper.

    My mini conclusion is that if you're buying a PC because you think it's cheaper, think again. Try and get off the treadmill - it only seems kinky the first time
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    TCO arguments are flawed at their inception. PC owners willing to get their hands dirty can achieve a lower TCO throughout the life-cycle. Likewise enterprises who have some in-house capability can do the same.

    Apple is just the lazy choice.
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    At my work, everybody is provided with Dell desktop machines. I am not a particular fan of Dell (and yes, Howard, they are ugly as sin), but in over three years here I am not aware of a single instance of a hardware failure with one of these machines (and we are talking dozens of machines here).

    Oh, except for the exploding firewire card, but that was entirely my own doing

    So the cost of maintenance and repair is pretty well negligible in this case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    The first two hits (yeah really - you try) I got were this.
    The second one I got was this.
    You know it's 2007 now, right?

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