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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Jon, you seem prone to attacks of pointyness.
    As do you, any time the acronym PC is mentioned..

    Your two contributions to thread have both been negative.
    Well it is a *mac* thread after all

    As for Amiga, it was by far the leader in PC graphics for it's time (indeed it took other companies nearly a decade to catch up with where Amiga had been in terms of graphics and sound). And it was certainly one of the forerunners in the GUI business along with the Mac and the Atari ST (all three came along in 1984 and 1985).

    I believe IBM considered Atari's GEM OS as a possible alternative to MS-DOS for the first IBM PC. What a different world we would have if IBM had taken that route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    As do you, any time the acronym PC is mentioned..
    No. You are deluding yourself in order to defend yourself.

    First point. While I don't mind stirring up the PC boxes for the substandard whizz bang pops they are (and it has been both demonstrated and admitted), or indeed talking generally (and often in jest) about the users, I don't personalise the discussion to an individual. You did - twice.

    Second point. 'Balance'. Until prodded you had signaled no intention to contribute anything but troll.

    Third point, I always try and defend my assertions with facts on poor performance. You'll find your first two offerings fact and bona-fide free.

    The summary of your offering were that they were nothing but little trolls with no context. Hardly heavy stuff. Just calling you on it.

    As for your eventual answer - it was informative. Thanks.
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    I forgot to check. You guys do know what you're talking about, don't you?

    By the way Brian and Jon. Have either of you actually, like, you know, *used a mac*?

    Let's not get on to PCs as I have given up trying draw out the pro case (there isn't a pro case is there?).

    Let's just focus on the macs (as Jon points out, it is a mac thread). Naturally you would have both had reasonable experience with macs otherwise you wouldn't be commenting so preponderantly. I'd be interested to hear of your experiences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    have either of you actually, like, *used one*?
    Yes. And, yes, I still feel dirty.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boris
    Yes. And, yes, I still feel dirty.
    Experiences? When? For how long? No good huh? What didn't you like?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Third point, I always try and defend my assertions with facts on poor performance. You'll find your first two offerings fact and bona-fide free.
    Not at all. It *was* an incomprehensible ramble (I'm still not sure what you were trying to say), and your memory *was* faulty - amiga has never been command-line.

    I actually don't have a problem with macs. They aren't flexible enough for me, that's all - and they have a tendency to be under powered and overpriced (not as bad now that they use Intel). I don't use them a lot, but I have used them for substantial computer programming work in the past. I acknowledge that they are probably still the best environment for graphic design and desktop publishing, but not by quite as much as in the past.

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    never failed me!

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    I acknowledge that they are probably still the best environment for graphic design and desktop publishing ...
    I wholeheartedly agree with this statement! I remember back in mid '90s when using one of the first Quarx systems I produced quality desktop publishing for at least two n/ps and three magazines. All that in an old, albeit upgraded. OS9 Mac, which I still sometimes use today and not only for sentimental value! It still works perfectly.

    Cheers and good luck to all!
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    Ahem

    I don't get it.... I'll do a Pauline Hanson

    Please explain??

    So many posts and no one has yet praised me??!!

    Isn't this supposed to be some sort of Mac Honour Roll?

    Take care and God Bless, Macavity

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    Translation

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    Not at all. It *was* an incomprehensible ramble (I'm still not sure what you were trying to say)
    I don't think it was incomprehensible at all. I think the problem is that I used a teensy bit of vernacular, and the flow of the discussion was a teensy bit disjointed (it was two women talking after all ), but to say incomprehensible ... well that's just silly, isn't it? Let's have a look:

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    So Renée was talking to her daughter in Sydney today (mac user aye!, Renée and the daughter).
    What I meant to say to be clearer:
    Renée was talking to her daughter in Sydney today. Both girls are mac users. Good one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    The daughter's friend went to Sydney uni today where she has re-enrolled for her psych studies.
    What I meant to say to be clearer:
    The daughter's friend went to Sydney uni today where she has re-enrolled for her psych studies.


    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    She took everything with her including her floppy disk with her previous studies on it!
    What I meant to say to be clearer:
    She took everything with her including her floppy disk with her previous studies on it!

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Now hang PC users; first you shouldn't be reading this thread, second I remember when mac did away with floppy drives - oh didn't you all laugh - idiots.)
    What I meant to say to be clearer:
    Before PC users have a giggle at her naivety, I'd observe that it was only a short time ago that PC users were giggling generally that macs had done away with the floppy drives. When the first round of iMacs came out, PC users users wanted to know where the floppy drive was.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    So anyway, "we don't use floppy disks any more here luv" etc.. and they came up with a work-around.
    What I meant to say to be clearer:
    So anyway, the helper at the uni said "we don't use floppy disks any more here luv". But luckily they managed to help her out anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Yada yada yada
    Explanation:
    Refer Seinfeld. It means 'and then after some stuff and then some more stuff and before you know it...'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    I'm told the Sydney Uni library only uses macs (anyone confirm?)
    What I meant to say to be clearer:
    I'm told the Sydney Uni library only uses macs (anyone confirm?)

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    <score one for the good guys>.
    What I meant to say to be clearer:
    That's a nice story to reinforce the credibility for the mac team.

    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    And yada yada yada, after her experience with the nicest and best computers she has ever seen, her new upgrade which would have been a PC plonk will now be a mac!
    What I meant to say to be clearer:
    And to cut a long story short, after her experiences, she's going to buy a mac.
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    This is the complete re-write for those that couldn't follow the ramble!

    Ren&#233;e was talking to her daughter in Sydney today. Both girls are mac users. Good one.

    The daughter's friend went to Sydney uni today where she has re-enrolled for her psych studies.

    She took everything with her including her floppy disk with her previous studies on it! (Before PC users have a giggle at her naivety, I'd observe there was a time when PC users were giggling generally that macs had done away with the floppy drives. When the first round of iMacs came out, PC users users wanted to know where the floppy drive was.)

    So anyway, the helper at the uni said "we don't use floppy disks any more here luv". But luckily they managed to help her out anyway.

    It turned out the Sydney Uni library only uses macs (anyone confirm?) If so, that's a nice story to reinforce the credibility for the mac team. After her experiences, she's going to buy a mac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by macavity
    So many posts and no one has yet praised me??!!

    Isn't this supposed to be some sort of Mac Honour Roll?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    This is the complete re-write for those that couldn't follow the ramble!

    Ren&#233;e was talking to her daughter in Sydney today. Both girls are mac users. Good one.

    The daughter's friend went to Sydney uni today where she has re-enrolled for her psych studies.

    She took everything with her including her floppy disk with her previous
    studies on it! (Before PC users have a giggle at her naivety, I'd observe there was a time when PC users were giggling generally that macs had done away with the floppy drives. When the first round of iMacs came out, PC users users wanted to know where the floppy drive was.)

    So anyway, the helper at the uni said "we don't use floppy disks any more here luv". But luckily they managed to help her out anyway.

    It turned out the Sydney Uni library only uses macs (anyone confirm?) If so, that's a nice story to reinforce the credibility for the mac team. After her experiences, she's going to buy a mac.
    A few points to make:
    • Presumably daughter isn't a Mac user yet, since she carries a bunch of floppies around and hasn't yet bought a Mac.
    • Presumably the "work around" involved you know - a floppy disk drive?
    • PCs have been available without floppy drives for years - that's the great thing about a reconfigurable system.
    • The iMac did away with the floppy before the invention of USB portable storage. I think you'll find that external floppy drives for the iMac sold very well in those early years.


    Edit: And I'm totally mystified as to how this story reinforces the credibility of the mac team.. Because they managed to get a file off a floppy disk?!
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    A few answers

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    [*]Presumably daughter isn't a Mac user yet, since she carries a bunch of floppies around and hasn't yet bought a Mac.
    The daughter is a mac user. She's 22. It was the daughter's friend who is a PC user. It is that friend who is a PC user who went to the uni. It's all there.

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    [*]Presumably the "work around" involved you know - a floppy disk drive?
    Yup. I think someone at the library had a pc with a floppy with them, overheard the problem and pitched in.

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    [*]PCs have been available without floppy drives for years - that's the great thing about a reconfigurable system.
    I know. What you say is true. But I continue to write in a manner that confuses you, as none of this is the point. I don't want to make the point a third time.

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    [*]The iMac did away with the floppy before the invention of USB portable storage.
    USB, yes. But other portable solutions existed, such as Iomega. The existence or otherwise specifically of USB technology is redundant to your assertion.

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    I think you'll find that external floppy drives for the iMac sold very well in those early years.
    Possibly. Just like USB sticks sell even better now

    Quote Originally Posted by pax
    And I'm totally mystified as to how this story reinforces the credibility of the mac team.. Because they managed to get a file off a floppy disk?!
    Ummm. No. Probably a good idea to forget that some kind soul helped her out. It seems to be obfuscating the story for you.

    I don't want to make the point a third time. Given the lack of import of the whole thing, how about we just leave eachother in a state of not quite having communicated?

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    For the attention of fellow mac users:

    Hey, here's a thought!
    Someone we know who's been a PC user tried a mac and decided to switch to macs permanently! I like to hear things like that.

    Hey, here's another thought! Apparently Sydney uni uses macs in its library. I like to hear things like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    USB, yes. But other portable solutions existed, such as Iomega. The existence or otherwise specifically of USB technology is redundant to your assertion.
    Fair enough. But Iomega drives were never very widespread, so they were only useful if you knew that your target computer (at work, school or at a friend's place etc) already had an Iomega drive.

    Anyway all of this is, as you say, beside the point. I will leave you Mac fanbois to your self-congratulation exercise.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Howard Duggan
    Hey, here's another thought! Apparently Sydney uni uses macs in its library. I like to hear things like that.
    While UOW has a PC or Mac policy for academics the library is almost entirely PC fitted and the same is pretty much true of the shared computer labs I've visited. It is certainly true of the math school's computer lab despite the fact that the software (primarily Maple) is available on either platform.

    I presume the reason for this is the economic argument given by Pax. Macs would not seem to be cost effective except for some specialised tasks.

    I too will bow out at this point with a couple of random observations.

    - I forgot to mention earlier I have an Apple iPod.
    - Macavity rocks.

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