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    NSWCA May Weekender

    The NSWCA MAY Weekender is a category 2 Grand Prix event with guaranteed $1500 IN PRIZES, at our scenic Rose Bay venue.


    Where:
    Rose Bay RSL Club (catch bus 324 or 325 from Edgecliff station or city)

    When:
    Saturday 15th / Sunday 16th May

    Director:
    Lee Forace

    Time Control:
    60 minutes + 10 seconds per move

    Entry Fees:
    Adult: $70.00 Junior [u/18]: $55.00 Junior [u/15]: $40.00
    Register by Friday 14th for $10 discount . Entries will be accepted on the day.

    Schedule:

    Saturday
    9:30-10am Registration; 10:30 Round 1; 1:30 round 2; 4:00 Round 3;

    Sunday
    10:30 Round 4; 1:30 round 5; 4:00 round 6; 6:30pm presentation

    Prizes:
    Open: 1st $600 2nd $300 3rd $200

    U2000 1st $200, U1800 1st $200, U1600 1st $200, U1400, 1st $200.

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    Well there goes another depressing tournament for me At least I avoided losing against Raymond (grumble grumble bloody juniors grumble grumble grumble). I had a funny experience before the 1st round game-telling Gary Losh what to do against e4 and then finding out I had to play him, with white

    Top 3 placings as far as I know are:

    5.5-Xie
    5-Canfell, Raymond Song

    As for the other prizewinners, I left early I will post an
    interesting position (not mine) on this thread if I remember later on.

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    Imagine a player being allowed to play only 3 out of 6 rounds, being granted 2 half point byes a and forfeit then scoring 2.5/6 to win first prize in the U1400 ahead of someone who had two real wins.

    DOPs = DOPES

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    Imagine a player being allowed to play only 3 out of 6 rounds, being granted 2 half point byes a and forfeit then scoring 2.5/6 to win first prize in the U1400 ahead of someone who had two real wins.

    DOPs = DOPES
    Did this actually happen in the tournament or are you describing a hypothetical situation?

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    It happen today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    It happen today.
    Crikey. By the way, what will you do at Common Man to avoid byes happening?

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    what will you do at Common Man to avoid byes happening?
    There will be a "stand in player" to eliminate any bye that occures due to an odd number of players entering or a withdrawal. The game will be a real rated game. In the past, and this time, it will be me . It is only my fellow bottom end players who have to worry about Sweeney. Only Sweeney has to worry about playing even worse due to divided attention - running the show and playing a game Bob Keast also does this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    Imagine a player being allowed to play only 3 out of 6 rounds, being granted 2 half point byes a and forfeit then scoring 2.5/6 to win first prize in the U1400 ahead of someone who had two real wins.

    DOPs = DOPES
    This player has been active in local tournaments and shouldn't be hampered from playing due to other commitments.

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    If you are giving out prizes to players who score below 50% (which is obviously often the case with U1400 or similar prizes), to allow 2 half-point byes in a 6-round tournament seems a bit ridiculous, doesn't it? Every U1400 player who does not take the two byes effectively lowers his chances at a prize, because he would not otherwise be expected to score 1 out of the two games. And why would you want a tournament system to encourage players to take byes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matthew Sweeney
    Imagine a player being allowed to play only 3 out of 6 rounds, being granted 2 half point byes a and forfeit then scoring 2.5/6 to win first prize in the U1400 ahead of someone who had two real wins.

    DOPs = DOPES
    Actually you post is misleading.
    There is an implication the player gained a point on forfeit. This is not true.
    He was given a half point bye for round 1, a half point bye for round 2 and a zero point bye for round 3.
    In other words he did not play on day 1.
    He played 3 games on day 2 and scored 1.5/3.

    Also I think you should point out your own vested interest here since you were one of two players rated under 1400 who had 2 "real" wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by garethbcharles
    Crikey. By the way, what will you do at Common Man to avoid byes happening?
    Actually there were no real byes in the tournament due to lack of an opponent.
    On day one there were 42 players.
    Therefore everyone got a game in rounds 1 and 2. In round 3 one player forfeited.
    This player did not play on day 2 but there was a late entry on day 2.
    Therefore on day 2 all players again got a game in rounds 4, 5 and 6.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jay_vee
    If you are giving out prizes to players who score below 50% (which is obviously often the case with U1400 or similar prizes), to allow 2 half-point byes in a 6-round tournament seems a bit ridiculous, doesn't it?
    The problem, of prizes being won from a less than 50% score, can be avoided by running the tournament as two Divisions and allowing intermingling as described many times before.

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    I played in this event - pretty badly, except for one game, so it's good to see the spotlight being on the controversies rather than the worst performances.

    It seems to me that the outcome described by Matthew is a combination of a number of factors, notably only six rounds, giving less opportunity for oddities to be smoothed out, and a combination of prize structure and field composition which enabled the prize to be won with a modest score.

    Although jay vee is right that two half-byes out of six rounds is relatively high, if a player took two zero-point byes they would get a reasonably soft round three game and probably go to 1/3 and the same outcome could eventuate (in the general case, though in this instance the player missed Round 3 too), so I think the other factors made a greater contribution.

    Perhaps if somebody posted the cross-table we could draw conclusions about whether the two "real" wins were more meritorious than the real outcome.
    Last edited by Ian Rout; 17-05-2004 at 02:27 PM.

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    Code:
    No Name                     Rtg  Loc  Total  1    2    3    4    5    6  
    
    1  Xie, George                   2297 5.5   20:W 12:W 10:W  5:W  2:W  4:D
    2  Canfell, Gregory J            2281 5     22:W 34:W  7:W  6:W  1:L  8:W
    3  Song, Raymond                 1843 5     23:W 39:W  4:D  7:D 19:W  6:W
    4  Schultz-Pedersen, Jesper      2236 4.5   17:W 16:W  3:D  9:W  5:D  1:D
    5  Joyce, John              2270 2270 4     24:W 13:W 11:W  1:L  4:D  7:D
    6  Chan, Jason                   1957 4     21:W 41:W  9:W  2:L 12:W  3:L
    7  Charles, Gareth               2106 4     28:W 27:W  2:L  3:D 21:W  5:D
    8  Kevork, Chris                 1855 4     15:L 32:W 20:W 16:W 13:W  2:L
    9  Samar, Raul                   2139 4     35:W 19:W  6:L  4:L 25:W 14:W
    10 Bolens, Johny                 2029 4     18:W 33:W  1:L 19:L 23:W 24:W
    11 Harp, Joel                    1965 4     30:W 15:W  5:L 13:L 27:W 20:W
    12 Rachmadi, Herman              1756 4     38:W  1:L 30:W 26:W  6:L 19:W
    13 Descallar, Levi               1746 3.5   37:W  5:L 35:W 11:W  8:L 17:D
    14 Rout, Ian C                   1932 3.5   33:L 23:W 17:W 27:D 15:W  9:L
    15 Art, Carl                     1448 3.5    8:W 11:L 31:D 22:W 14:L 34:W
    16 Mendes da Costa, Alex         1717 3.5   43:W  4:L 33:W  8:L 18:D 28:W
    17 Illingworth, Max              1597 3.5    4:L 43:W 14:L 39:W 26:W 13:D
    18 Reid, Vaness                  1516 3.5   10:L 31:L 40:W 32:W 16:D 27:W
    19 Clark, Domenic                1729 3     40:W  9:L 36:W 10:W  3:L 12:L
    20 Watharow, Sean P              1631 3      1:L 37:W  8:L 35:W 31:W 11:L
    21 Dick, Graham                  1539 3      6:L 42:W 34:W 31:D  7:L 22:D
    22 Song, Angela                  1655 3      2:L 28:D 41:W 15:L 33:W 21:D
    23 Pickering, Anthony            1528 3      3:L 14:L 43:W 41:W 10:L 32:W
    24 Keuning, Anthony V            1635 3      5:L 35:L 28:W 38:W 34:W 10:L
    25 Nicholson, Scott              1566 3     32:L 36:L 37:W 29:W  9:L 31:W
    26 Low, Frank                    1640 3     41:L 38:W 32:W 12:L 17:L 36:W
    27 Escribano, Jose               1654 2.5   42:W  7:L 39:W 14:D 11:L 18:L
    28 Losh, Gary                    1520 2.5    7:L 22:D 24:L 37:W 36:W 16:L
    29 Miranda, Adrian               1351 2.5    0:D  0:D  0:L 25:L 30:D 43:W
    30 Greenwood, Norman             1540 2.5   11:L 40:W 12:L 36:L 29:D 41:W
    31 Baterowicz, Mark              1709 2     39:L 18:W 15:D 21:D 20:L 25:L
    32 Evans, Carrie                      2     25:W  8:L 26:L 18:L 43:W 23:L
    33 Bisson, Danny Wayne           1489 2     14:W 10:L 16:L 34:L 22:L 35:W
    34 Javor, Stephen                1754 2     36:W  2:L 21:L 33:W 24:L 15:L
    35 Nichas, John                  1428 2      9:L 24:W 13:L 20:L 41:W 33:L
    36 Cohn, Jason                   1328 2     34:L 25:W 19:L 30:W 28:L 26:L
    37 Sweeney, Matthew              1283 2     13:L 20:L 25:L 28:L 40:W 38:W
    38 Tracey, Michael J             1435 1.5   12:L 26:L 42:+ 24:L 39:D 37:L
    39 Adler, David                  1305 1.5   31:W  3:L 27:L 17:L 38:D 40:L
    40 Eales, Jonathon               1110 1.5   19:L 30:L 18:L 43:D 37:L 39:W
    41 Reese, Peter                  1192 1     26:W  6:L 22:L 23:L 35:L 30:L
    42 Stevenson, John                    1     27:L 21:L 38:-  0:W  0:   0: 
    43 Bell, Gerry                        .5    16:L 17:L 23:L 40:D 32:L 29:L

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Rout
    I played in this event - pretty badly, except for one game, so it's good to see the spotlight being on the controversies rather than the worst performances.
    Don't be so hard on yourself. You did manage to escape with a draw against Australia next IM.
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